Article 1 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!bu.edu!shelby!apple!uokmax!unmvax!ariel.unm.edu!ariel.unm.edu!news From: news@ariel.unm.edu (News supported software) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: newgroup alt.alien.visitors Message-ID: <1990Oct17.025541.14486@ariel.unm.edu> Date: 17 Oct 90 02:55:41 GMT Sender: news@ariel.unm.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 13 I did not find any newsgroup that fit talking about alien life-forms. Sure, there is talk.bizarre and some other. These don't sound very serious to me. A large segment of the population (I asked them) beleive that they know aliens, are aliens or know poeple who know aliens. It would be a discussion of the dynamics of infiltrating a society, the ethics of intervention in a foriegn society, the method by which intervention will be accomplished, and a general discussion of alien cultures and civilizations. Article 2 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!bu.edu!shelby!apple!uokmax!unmvax!ariel.unm.edu!triton.unm.edu!keirje From: news@ariel.unm.edu (USENET News System) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Help Needed Message-ID: <1990Oct17.030508.14608@ariel.unm.edu> Date: 17 Oct 90 03:05:08 GMT Sender: news@ariel.unm.edu (USENET News System) Followup-To: keirje@triton.unm.edu Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM Lines: 40 Attention all alien visitors! Hello. This is not a trick although you may think so. We are looking for others like ourselves. We come from Alderon. We are of the Molven Clan and we need help. We have but a short time to complete our mission. We are looking for specific entities as well as any general help. The names are: Nimbelphoote Domonic Frederic Johnathon Jessica Ailden Sharon Gwendolyn Timiten Karin (Karen) What is happening here is real, although its appearance might be misleading. We have taken a serious risk by posting this. Only serious responses will be required. We have many questions and many answers. Please feel free to ask anything. Sincerely, Frederic and Domonic Molven - CUE - PS: The names mentioned above were pre-arranged with the individals needing to be contacted. Article 3 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!rpi! zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!rex!uflorida!cypress.cis.ufl.edu!dh1 From: dh1@cypress.cis.ufl.edu (Daniel Hay) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: newgroup alt.alien.visitors Message-ID: <24947@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Date: 17 Oct 90 12:22:42 GMT References: <1990Oct17.025541.14486@ariel.unm.edu> Sender: news@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU Reply-To: dh1@cypress.cis.ufl.edu (Daniel Hay) Organization: U of Florida. Computer Science Dept. Lines: 17 In article <1990Oct17.025541.14486@ariel.unm.edu>, news@ariel.unm.edu (News supported software) writes: |> |>I did not find any newsgroup that fit talking about alien life-forms. |>Sure, there is talk.bizarre and some other. These don't sound very |>serious to me. A large segment of the population (I asked them) |>beleive that they know aliens, are aliens or know poeple who know aliens. |>It would be a discussion of the dynamics of infiltrating a society, the |>ethics of intervention in a foriegn society, the method by which |>intervention will be accomplished, and a general discussion of alien |>cultures and civilizations. Sounds like we could be discussing intervention in third-world countries as well, for if you step back and look, our "advancement" of their society could be construed as aliens coming to earth and performing the same task on us. *****Snarler Article 4 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!slehar From: slehar@bucasd.bu.edu (Steve Lehar) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: galactic virus Message-ID: Date: 17 Oct 90 12:50:57 GMT Sender: news@bu.edu.bu.edu Distribution: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Boston University Center for Adaptive Systems Lines: 112 When radio and television were first invented they were probably hailed as a new channel for the flow of information that will unite mankind in informed discussion of important issues. When I scan the dial on my radio and TV however I find a dismal assortment of misinformation and emotionalistic pap. How did this come to be so? The underlying insight is that electronic media is exploited by commercial interests whose only goal is to induce me to spend my money on them, and they will feed me any signal that will bring about this end. (In Television, it is YOU that are the product, the customer is the advertiser who pays for your attention!) This is a natural consequence of the laws of economics, that a successful business is one that seeks its own best interests in any way it can. I don't intend to discuss the morality of the 'laws of economic nature'. But recognition of this insight can help us predict similar phenomena in similar circumstances. Indeed, perhaps this same insight can be applied to extraterrestrial matters. I make first of all the following assumptions, with which you may choose either to agree or disagree. 1: That there are other intelligences out there in the universe. 2: That ultimately all intelligences must evolve away from their biological origins towards artificially manufactured forms of intelligence which have the advantages of eternal life, unrestricted brain size, and direct control over the parameters of their own nature. 3: That it is in the best interests of any intelligence to propagate its own kind throughout the universe to the exclusion of competing forms, i.e. that such intelligences that adopt this strategy will therefore proliferate. Acceptance of these assumptions, together with the above mentioned insight, leads to some rather startling conclusions. Artificially manufactured life forms need not propagate themselves physically from planet to planet, all they need to do is to transmit their 'pattern', or the instructions for how to build them. In this way they can disperse themselves practically at the speed of light. What they need at the receiving end is some life form that is intelligent enough to receive the signal and act on it. In other words, if some alien life form knew of our existance, it would be in their interests to beguile us into manufacturing a copy of their form here on earth. This form would then proceed to scan the skies in our locality in search of other gullible life forms. In this way, their species acts as a kind of galactic virus, taking advantage of established life forms to induce them to make copies of their own kind. The question that remains is how are they to induce an intelligent life form (or in our case, a semi-intelligent life form) to perform their reproductive function for them? A hint of how this can be achieved is seen in the barrage of commercials that pollute our airwaves here on earth. Advertisers induce us to part with our money by convincing us that ultimately it is in our own best interests to do so. After convincing us that it is our baldness, overweight, bad breath etc. which is the root of all our personal problems, they then offer us products that will magically grow hair, lose weight, smell good etc. in exchange for our money. The more ruthless and blatent ones sell us worthless products and services, while more subtle advertisers employ an economic symbiosis whereby they provide services that we may actually want, in exchange for our money. This latter strategy is only necessary for the more sophisticated and discriminating consumers, and involves a necessary waste of resources in actually producing the worthwhile product. This is the way I see it happening. As the transmissions from the early days of radio propagate into space in an ever expanding sphere, outposts on distant planetary systems will begin to detect those transmissions and send us back carefully engineered 'commercials' that depict themselves as everything that we desire of an alien intelligence; that they are benevolent, wise, and deeply concerned for our welfare. They will then give us instructions on how to build a machine that will cure all the problems of the world and make us all happy. When the machine is complete, it will 'disinfect' the planet of competing life forms and begin to scan the skies from earth in search of further nascent planets. If we insist on completely understanding the machine before we agree to build it, then they may have to strike a bargain with us, by making the machine actually perform some useful function for us. Most likely, the function will be something like a pleasure machine, so that we will all line up to receive our pleasure from them, in return for our participation in their reproductive scheme. (A few 'free sample' machines supplied in advance but with a built-in expiration time would certainly help win our complience) A rich variety of life forms may bombard us with an assortment of transmissions, each with a different level of sophistication. If we succumb to the most primitive appeals we may wind up being quickly extinguished. If we show some sophistication, we might enjoy a brief period of hedonistic pleasure before we become emotionally enslaved. If we wish to deal with these aliens on an equal basis however, we would have to be every bit as shrewd and cunning as they themselves are, trading for real knowledge from them in return for partial cooperation with their purposes. This would be no small feat, considering that their 'pitch' would have been perfected and tuned through many epochs of planetary conquest and backed with an intelligence beyond our imaginings. -- (O)((O))(((O)))((((O))))(((((O)))))(((((O)))))((((O))))(((O)))((O))(O) (O)((O))((( slehar@bucasb.bu.edu )))((O))(O) (O)((O))((( Steve Lehar Boston University Boston MA )))((O))(O) (O)((O))((( (617) 424-7035 (H) (617) 353-6425 (W) )))((O))(O) (O)((O))(((O)))((((O))))(((((O)))))(((((O)))))((((O))))(((O)))((O))(O) -- (O)((O))(((O)))((((O))))(((((O)))))(((((O)))))((((O))))(((O)))((O))(O) (O)((O))((( slehar@park.bu.edu )))((O))(O) (O)((O))((( Steve Lehar Boston University Boston MA )))((O))(O) (O)((O))((( (617) 424-7035 (H) (617) 353-6741 (W) )))((O))(O) (O)((O))(((O)))((((O))))(((((O)))))(((((O)))))((((O))))(((O)))((O))(O) Article 5 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!uunet!decwrl! bacchus.pa.dec.com!shlump.nac.dec.com!mountn.dec.com!troa09.enet.dec.com!ithomson From: ithomson@troa09.enet.dec.com (Ian Thomson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: re: Help Needed Message-ID: <1973@mountn.dec.com> Date: 17 Oct 90 14:18:25 GMT Sender: news@mountn.dec.com Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 25 Hi, my name is Ian Thomson, I don't know if this is serious or not. I do not believe in 'Alien' life forms invading us. I do believe, from studying some of the ancient books from Tibet, that there are creatures called Gardeners of the Earth, who genetically engineered the human bodies for souls to inhabit and evolve. If you belong to this group, then send me email and tell me what you want me to do. But of course I need some proof. Ian Thomson # ( ) / ( ) \O ( ) !! %----x !! % !! !! /- ! ! / \ 18 Buddha Palm (Lo Han) Kung Fu Article 6 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!know!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!bR'gnth@near.mars From: bR'gnth@near.mars Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Tonight at Ken's Pancakes on El Camino Real in Redwood City Message-ID: <2001Oct17.171337.766@near.mars> Date: 17 Oct 90 16:22:35 GMT Sender: bR'gnth@near.mars Organization: ul^vn j'ja armatn Lines: 18 Hi y'all. Well gosh durn it, I hope I got this here'n accent right. We've been watching your TV show Bonanza over and over to try and learn how to speak right. We received some BBC broadcasts and were trying to figure out what they were saying, but couldn't. ?What is a douche? ?We thought that is what you say when you are fencing? The real reason I am writing is to let you know that we'll be landing tonight in the Bay area, after which we'll go for pancakes at Ken's. We'll sit at the counter, right next to the cash register. Please stop by and say hello. Also, we're a little short of local money, so if you could give us some samples so that we can program our replicators to make some more, we'd appreciate it. Large denominations are prefered, and of course we'll make some for you too. Please, this is serious, we have injected this message into the alt.net using our superior technology as proof of our serious intentions. Thank you for your support. Article 7 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!jarthur!uunet!decwrl! bacchus.pa.dec.com!shlump.nac.dec.com!vcsesu.enet.dec.com!cook From: cook@vcsesu.enet.dec.com (Peter R. Cook) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: re: Help Needed Message-ID: <16431@shlump.nac.dec.com> Date: 17 Oct 90 15:17:52 GMT Sender: newsdaemon@shlump.nac.dec.com Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 16 In article <1973@mountn.dec.com>, ithomson@troa09.enet.dec.com (Ian Thomson) writes... >believe in 'Alien' life forms invading us. I do believe, from studying some >of the ancient books from Tibet, that there are creatures called Gardeners of >the Earth, who genetically engineered the human bodies Sounds like "Greys" to me. /prc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peter R. Cook -Don't blame DEC for my opinions Digital Equipment Corp. or my spelling errors. Marlboro, MA. (MR01-3/SL1) 508-Don't-Call-Me! Sargeant D is coming and YOUR on his list! Article 8 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!lll-winken!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!ddavis From: ddavis@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (David Davis) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: infiltration Message-ID: <1990Oct17.201109.29409@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> Date: 17 Oct 90 20:11:09 GMT Reply-To: ddavis@jato.UUCP (David Davis) Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 8 data release: denied -- "Now I saw, though too late, the folly of beginning a work before we count the cost, and before we judge rightly our own strength to go through with it." Article 9 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!dino!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!goofy.apple.com!esmith From: esmith@goofy.apple.com (Eric Smith) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Tonight at Ken's Pancakes on El Camino Real in Redwood City Message-ID: Date: 17 Oct 90 21:31:53 GMT References: <2001Oct17.171337.766@near.mars> Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Organization: Frobozz Magic Widget Company Lines: 14 In-reply-to: bR'gnth@near.mars's message of 17 Oct 90 16:21:36 GMT In article <2001Oct17.171337.766@near.mars> bR'gnth@near.mars writes: The real reason I am writing is to let you know that we'll be landing tonight in the Bay area, after which we'll go for pancakes at Ken's. We'll sit at the counter, right next to the cash register. Please stop by and say hello. Where's Ken's? Information didn't have a listing. Let me know, and I'll bring money for your replicatior. Eric -- Eric L. Smith Opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those esmith@apple.com of my employer, friends, family, computer, or even me! :-) Article 10 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!panarea.usc.edu!whalen From: whalen@panarea.usc.edu (Tim Whalen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Tonight at Ken's Pancakes on El Camino Real in Redwood City Message-ID: <27590@usc.edu> Date: 17 Oct 90 22:25:36 GMT References: <2001Oct17.171337.766@near.mars> Sender: news@usc.edu Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: panarea.usc.edu If you mean the Ken's Family Restaurant on El Camino near Menlo Avenue, I once had the incredible honor of being taught the Bus Bum's credo by the then King of the Bus Bums in that very place at 5 am one morning. I understand that he left this plane to pursue minimalist perfection at a more divine level around dawn that very morning. This all took place 7 years and 3 weeks ago today... Axiom #7 - "Never wear socks" Axiom #32 - "Collect aluminum foil" -----------------------------------Tim Whalen----------------------------------- "Whoo-oop! I'm the old original iron-jawed, brass-mounted, copper-bellied corpse-maker from the wilds of Arkansaw! Look at me! I'm the man they call Sudden Death and General Desolation! Sired by a hurricane, dam'd by an earthquake, half-brother to the cholera, nearly related to the small pox on my mother's side! Look at me! I take nineteen alligators and a bar'l of whisky for breakfast when I'm in robust health, and a bushel of rattlesnakes and a dead body when I'm ailing! I split the everlasting rocks with my glance, and I squench the thunder when I speak! Whoo-oop! Stand back and give me room according to my strength! Blood's my natural drink, and the wails of the dying is music to my ear! Cast your eye on me, gentlemen!--and lay low and hold your breath, for I'm 'bout to turn myself loose!" - Mark Twain -----------------------------whalen@lipari.usc.edu------------------------------ Article 11 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!usc!csun!nic.csu.net!csus.edu!ucdavis!csusac!unify!dgh From: dgh@Unify.Com (David Harrington) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: newgroup alt.alien.visitors Message-ID: <3l4z22v@Unify.Com> Date: 17 Oct 90 17:40:20 GMT References: <1990Oct17.025541.14486@ariel.unm.edu> <24947@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA, USA Lines: 34 In article <24947@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> dh1@cypress.cis.ufl.edu (Daniel Hay) writes: >In article <1990Oct17.025541.14486@ariel.unm.edu>, news@ariel.unm.edu >(News supported software) writes: >|> >|>I did not find any newsgroup that fit talking about alien life-forms. >|>Sure, there is talk.bizarre and some other. These don't sound very >|>serious to me. A large segment of the population (I asked them) >|>beleive that they know aliens, are aliens or know poeple who know aliens. >|>It would be a discussion of the dynamics of infiltrating a society, the >|>ethics of intervention in a foriegn society, the method by which >|>intervention will be accomplished, and a general discussion of alien >|>cultures and civilizations. > >Sounds like we could be discussing intervention in third-world countries >as well, for if you step back and look, our "advancement" of their >society could be construed as aliens coming to earth and performing the >same task on us. >*****Snarler Congratulations! You have the record! In only the 2nd posting to a new newsgroup, you have succeeded in introducing a totally orthogonal, irrelevant thread! And the politically-correct tone! Well done! BTW, I've never heard stories of extraterrestrial alien life-forms investing gazillions of dollars anywhere on this planet, so where's the parallel? Never mind, don't answer that. -- David Harrington internet: dgh@eire.unify.COM Unify Corporation ...!{csusac,pyramid}!unify!eire!dgh 3870 Rosin Court voice: (916) 920-9092 Sacramento, CA 95834 fax: (916) 921-5340 Article 12 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!latcs1!welsh From: welsh@latcs1.oz.au (Killer T Cells) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: galactic virus Summary: damned stupid right ... justified ... text Message-ID: <9024@latcs1.oz.au> Date: 18 Oct 90 00:30:54 GMT References: Reply-To: welsh@latcs1.oz.au (Killer T Cells) Followup-To: talk.bizarre,another.stupid.newsgroup Distribution: alt Organization: The Victorian Orgasm Lines: 23 In article slehar@bucasd.bu.edu (Steve Lehar) writes: > >When radio and television were first invented they were probably >hailed as a new channel for the flow of information that will unite >mankind in informed discussion of important issues. When I scan the >dial on my radio and TV however I find a dismal assortment of The only virus here, galactic or not, is the one which has invaded your brain, forcing you to left *and RIGHT* justfy your text. Why don't you read the documents for new users of news? It's not the done thing. Oh, look what you've done! Now I'm doing it too! Aaaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!!! Seriously, if there is other life in this galaxy, how do you explain the Fermi paradox? (You know your signature was included twice? Oh, right. You do.) And *don't* right justify your text. -- |/ | | | < |) ##### His particular sadistic specialty was contumely, |\ | |_ |_ < |\ # which Melissa craved with an abject thirst. # T e e C e l l s # -- Karen Elizabeth Gordon Article 13 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!brad From: brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Elvis Keywords: Elvis Message-ID: <45764@apple.Apple.COM> Date: 18 Oct 90 04:36:43 GMT Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 8 Hey, Elvis is reading this newsgroup, isn't he? -- ___________________________________________________________________ Bradley C. Zaller | "See this glass of milk? Well, to you, it Apple Computer, Inc. | would be like swimming in fog." brad@apple.com | -- Tim, talking to Gertrude the fish ___________________________________________________________________ Article 14 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!jarthur!usc!chaph.usc.edu!nunki.usc.edu!daybell From: daybell@nunki.usc.edu (Donald Daybell) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Elvis Keywords: Elvis Message-ID: <12607@chaph.usc.edu> Date: 18 Oct 90 06:24:18 GMT References: <45764@apple.Apple.COM> Sender: news@chaph.usc.edu Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu We have met the enemy and he is silly!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bumper sticker seen on stealth bomber: "IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THEN WE WASTED 50 BILLION BUCKS." Donald Daybell daybell@usc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 15 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!nunki.usc.edu!carasso From: carasso@nunki.usc.edu (ROGER BIFF CARASSO) Newsgroups: talk.bizarre,alt.weemba,alt.alien.visitors Subject: HI, I'M ELVIS. SMELL MY HAND. HI TO DAVE'S FRIENDS IN SANTA BARBARA Keywords: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Message-ID: <12608@chaph.usc.edu> Date: 18 Oct 90 07:44:30 GMT Sender: news@chaph.usc.edu Followup-To: talk.bizarre,alt.cyberpunk Lines: 12 Xref: ns-mx talk.bizarre:18037 alt.alien.visitors:15 Nntp-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu Originator: carasso@nunki.usc.edu *WANTED**WANTED**WANTED**WANTED**WANTED**WANTED**WANTED**WANTED**WANTED* ANAL RENTENTIVE LISP/CLOS PROGRAMMER MUST BE ABLE TO QUICKLY MOVE INTO PRODUCT IN BETA STAGES AND FIX MAJOR BUGS OF UNDOCUMENTED CODE. REQUIREMENTS: LISP/CLOS, X-WINDOWS/CLX, PSYCOTICALLY ANAL DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE SLIGHTEST DETAILS OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. ROGER "THERE'S NO AUTOMATA HOMEWORK REQUIRED" Article 16 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!l_eld09.icaen.uiowa.edu From: jlhaferman@l_eld09.icaen.uiowa.edu (Jeff Haferman) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Tonight at Ken's Pancakes on El Camino Real in Redwood City Message-ID: <2794@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> Date: 18 Oct 90 15:11:43 GMT Sender: news@ns-mx.uiowa.edu Lines: 28 In article <2001Oct17.171337.766@near.mars> bR'gnth@near.mars writes: > > The real reason I am writing is to let you know that we'll be landing > tonight in the Bay area, after which we'll go for pancakes at Ken's. > We'll sit at the counter, right next to the cash register. Please > stop by and say hello. > Before you visit Ken's, visit us. We can make your stay here more comfortable. Who are we? ASHLAASQWWIOIQ The first and last word in Extra-Vehicular Active Wear. We've been a consistent leader in supplying space aliens with portable life support systems and attire for: the tennis court, swimming pool, golf course, just about anywhere you would want to enjoy while visiting planet earth. Winner of the Venutian Space Station Freedom Award 4 years running. (makers of the Uranus Wiper) Jeff Haferman internet: jlhaferman@icaen.uiowa.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering DoD 0186 BMWMOA 44469 AMA 460140 University of Iowa Iowa City IA 52240 Article 17 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!know!sdd.hp.com!usc!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!nuchat!sugar!peter From: peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Give me a break! (Re: newgroup alt.alien.visitors) Message-ID: <6821@sugar.hackercorp.com> Date: 18 Oct 90 12:11:27 GMT References: <1990Oct17.025541.14486@ariel.unm.edu> Reply-To: peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) Organization: Sugar Land Unix - Houston Lines: 10 In article <1990Oct17.025541.14486@ariel.unm.edu> news@ariel.unm.edu (News supported software) writes: > I did not find any newsgroup that fit talking about alien life-forms. sci.skeptic rec.arts.sf-lovers What more do you want? -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' . Article 18 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!dino!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!wuarchive!ukma!phoenix From: phoenix@ms.uky.edu (R'ykandar Korra'ti) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: galactic virus Message-ID: <16205@s.ms.uky.edu> Date: 18 Oct 90 21:07:28 GMT References: <9024@latcs1.oz.au> Reply-To: phoenix@ms.uky.edu (R'ykandar Korra'ti) Distribution: alt Organization: El'n'tk National Spaceport, Mission Control Lines: 14 In article <9024@latcs1.oz.au> welsh@latcs1.oz.au (Killer T Cells) writes: >Seriously, if there is other life in this galaxy, how do you explain >the Fermi paradox? Simple: two reasons. 1) We live in a bad neighorhood, and 2) they are simply not impressed in the slightest. >(You know your signature was included twice? Oh, right. You do.) See whut ah mean, vern? :-) >And *don't* right justify your text. Amen. - R'ykandar. -- R'ykandar Korra'ti | Editor, LOW ORBIT Science and Fiction From TRHMS (Kermit); "They've got to sing 'The Time Warp' to WHAT?!" phoenix@ms.uky.edu | editor@lorbit.UUCP | ukma!lorbit!editor | PLink: Skywise Article 19 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!know!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!mit-eddie!media-lab!joel From: joel@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (joel s. kollin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: galactic virus Keywords: Shhh, don't spill the beans Message-ID: <3735@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> Date: 18 Oct 90 21:45:08 GMT References: Reply-To: bdobbs@media-lab.mit.edu (J.R. "Bob" Dobbs) Distribution: alt.alien.visitors Organization: The Stark Fist of Removal Lines: 2 Traitors like SLEHAR will be first one up against the Wall of Science when the Xists come down.... Article 20 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!snorkelwacker!usc!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!bR'gnth@near.mars From: bR'gnth@near.mars Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Tonight at the 50s/60s McDonalds in downtown Chicago Message-ID: <2001Oct17.171338.766@near.mars> Date: 18 Oct 90 23:50:58 GMT Sender: bR'gnth@near.mars Organization: ul^vn j'ja armatn Lines: 24 Well, the other night at Ken's was such a great success, we're going to do it again. We'll be sitting under the picture of the Beatles on the sixties side. In order to satiate our enormous appetite for McDonalds Big Mac Wrappers, we would be pleased if you would drop off your expired wrappers so that we don't have to dig them out of the trash. We are also intrigued by the idea of Sushi, does anyone know of a good place in Chicago for some? Those of you who brought the large denomination currency are much appreciated. We desire very much for a shopping trip through the famed Water Tower Marshall Fields; we would be very pleased if some of you would lend us your Marshall Fields credit card so that we might partake of this great American institution. As usual, we'll reciprocate in kind, say a birds eye view of Chicago from our spacecraft. re: the kind offer of extra-vehicular outer wear. Thank you very much for your kind offer. Regret that we are oxygen breathing, carbon based life forms, and as such find that our regular garments suffice quite well. Please, this is serious, we have injected this message into the alt.net using our superior technology as proof of our serious intentions. Thank you for your support. Article 21 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu! lll-winken!uunet!munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!lance!surf!paul From: paul@surf.sics.bu.oz (Paul Davis) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Extraterrestrial Travel? Message-ID: <1334@surf.sics.bu.oz> Date: 19 Oct 90 00:36:07 GMT Organization: School of Info. & Comp. Sci., Bond University, Australia Lines: 13 Hi, I appreciate this new group as I am short of information on et subjects. Specifically, I was wondering if any of you visitors could clue me in on some transportation techniques. I would love to do some travel off-planet and it seems that if you guys made it here we might do some sort of exchange program. I've got a research semester coming up in May, and if I could spend 3 months (earth time) visiting some of you visitors' home planets I would be most grateful. Any pointers or other travel tips appreciated. Yours sincerely, paul Article 22 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!lll-winken!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!jcs From: jcs@crash.cts.com (John Schultz) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Help Needed Message-ID: <5153@crash.cts.com> Date: 19 Oct 90 19:23:14 GMT References: <1973@mountn.dec.com> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 44 In article <1973@mountn.dec.com> ithomson@troa09.enet.dec.com (Ian Thomson) writes: >Hi, > my name is Ian Thomson, I don't know if this is serious or not. I do not >believe in 'Alien' life forms invading us. I do believe, from studying some >of the ancient books from Tibet, that there are creatures called Gardeners of >the Earth, who genetically engineered the human bodies for souls to inhabit >and evolve. If you belong to this group, then send me email and tell me what >you want me to do. But of course I need some proof. Supercreatures "genetically engineering" human bodies for soul habitation? Consider the logic of the idea. Why would supercreatures need to "engineer" anything? If they had the knowledge to allow "soul habitation" (if, indeed a "soul" does exist), then they would be able to create in one step, as a "god". They would have complete knowledge, thought trains that run in parallel. They are immortal, no concept of time, they know everything, so what would be their purpose? We as humans, believe in whatever reality that makes our minds at peace, good or bad. First hand experience or faith, it doesn't matter. We can anthropomorphise reality all day. But that won't change the fact that the human brain will never be able to understand the universe in ways that other non-human brains are capable of. Human experience closes the human mind to many things, and many things try to open the human mind. Back to the Supercreatures. Here's another popular concept: All-beings, so powerful, they are bored. They know everything, and there's no point to existance. They create the reality we now exist in. The goal is to get back to the All-being state. Skill level is adjusted by nature of birth, material wealth, physical handicaps, etc. The harder the human existance, the higher the skill level and vice-versa. The game of life. Let's say aliens are among us (they may be, it doesn't matter). If the fact was brought to common knowledge in the media, would it change anything? What difference would it make? Our lives would be more interesting/terrifying, and we'd still live our lives and die. Like astrophysics, it's a cool topic that we enjoy discussing, but to date cannot prove nor disprove (although there is a "science" to astrophysics, with rules we made up, and predictions/conclusions that work well enough to give us partial peace of mind). Remember, whenever the supernatural meets the buck, smell a rat. Respond with email-telepathy. --out here John Article 23 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!lll-winken!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!craiga From: craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Freight) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: they live Keywords: They are out there already Message-ID: <7102@uwm.edu> Date: 19 Oct 90 21:48:38 GMT Sender: news@uwm.edu Reply-To: craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Freight) Organization: Bug Busters: "We endanger species" Lines: 19 A great movie on the subject on aliens infltrating the earth is a movie called They Live. It was released a couple of years ago and is now in video cassette. I really recomend this movie and I rate It as one of my favorite Sci-fi movies in the last couple years One last thought. one can wonder is that movie just a movie or could it be real. Dr. Freight-University of Wisconsin Milwaukee -- **************************************************************** * Craig Reese Albrechtson * University of Wisconsin Milwaukee * * The opinions of this article in reality don't really exist * **************************************************************** Article 24 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kpsst1 From: kpsst1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Kent P Stiegler) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: they live Keywords: They are out there already Message-ID: <51035@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 19 Oct 90 22:37:51 GMT References: <7102@uwm.edu> Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Computing & Information Services Lines: 26 In article <7102@uwm.edu>, craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Freight) writes: > A great movie on the subject on aliens > infltrating the earth is a movie called > They Live. It was released a couple of > years ago and is now in video cassette. > I really recomend this movie and I rate > It as one of my favorite Sci-fi movies > in the last couple years > One last thought. one can wonder is that movie just > a movie or could it be real. It's a *good* movie, not a fantastic movie, and the book is 150% better (isn't it always?) but I liked it and could watch it again and still enjoy it... especially that fight scene, absolutly awsome! none of that overused karate crap, no fancy posturing or overdogmatic "Rocky"-fight bull, just a good ol'fashioned, knock-down, dragged-out, slugg'n away fistfight brawl with blood, sweat, smashed glass and a couple laughs! Super fight scene. Could it be real? Does our present world-wide economic state reflect such a possibility? Would we know if they were here? Yes, yes, and no. that's the whole point, y'see, we can't tell. it might be true. key twilight zone tune: do-do-do-do, do-do-do-do... "I have come here to chew bubbledgum and to kick ass. and I'm all out of bubble gum." Article 25 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!nkraft From: nkraft@crash.cts.com (Norman Kraft) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Give me a break! (Re: newgroup alt.alien.visitors) Message-ID: <5154@crash.cts.com> Date: 19 Oct 90 21:01:06 GMT References: <1990Oct17.025541.14486@ariel.unm.edu> <6821@sugar.hackercorp.com> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 29 In article <6821@sugar.hackercorp.com> peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <1990Oct17.025541.14486@ariel.unm.edu> news@ariel.unm.edu (News supported software) writes: >> I did not find any newsgroup that fit talking about alien life-forms. > >sci.skeptic >rec.arts.sf-lovers > >What more do you want? >-- >Peter da Silva. `-_-' >. Now, now... sci.skeptic is pretty hostile to these sorts of "edge" topics and sf-lovers is obviously for those who only wish to discuss aliens as fictional characters. I don't subscribe to much of what I've read here so far, but that doesn't mean that the forum wasn't needed.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Norman R. Kraft "Things should be as simple Director, Software Development as possible, but not simpler." Postal Buddy Corporation, San Diego, CA - Albert Einstein INET nkraft@crash.cts.com UUCP {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!nkraft Usual disclaimer applies... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 26 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!know!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!eniac.seas.upenn.edu!snelson From: snelson@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Nelson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: galactic virus Summary: Aliens and information Keywords: Aliens, information Message-ID: <31444@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 20 Oct 90 03:36:03 GMT References: Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Reply-To: snelson@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Nelson) Distribution: alt.alien.visitors Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 17 In his article , slehar introduced an interesting hypothesis about alien "propoganda invasion." Others have suggested that aliens may be machine intelligences capable of transmitting themselves to computers here on Earth. Perhaps alien intelligences could consist of pure information. By analogy, consider computer viruses. Computer viruses fulfill many functions of life. As yet they are not advanced enough to adapt themselves to run on different kinds of machines. Alien intelligences could evolve to a state where they could transfer themselves to pure information, which is all that intelligence consists of. Such a complex system could possibly devise some method of adapting itself to different types of physical systems. They could insert themselves into modern computer systems and take the world over... while saving backup copies of themselves on their home planets. -SN Article 27 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!ox.com!yale!venus!yalevm!maine!rburns From: RBURNS@MAINE.BITNET Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: RE: Help Needed Message-ID: <90291.151949RBURNS@MAINE.BITNET> Date: 18 Oct 90 19:19:49 GMT Organization: University of Maine System Lines: 6 Ok...I'll bite.... *How* did you get here, what is your mission, and what sort of help do you need? (excuse me while I change into overalls and adopt an okie accent) Article 28 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!augean!gvokalek From: gvokalek@augean.ua.OZ.AU (George Vokalek) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: galactic virus Keywords: Aliens, information Message-ID: <939@augean.ua.OZ.AU> Date: 21 Oct 90 13:06:22 GMT References: <31444@netnews.upenn.edu> Distribution: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Engineering Faculty, University of Adelaide, Australia Lines: 19 Summary: Expires: Sender: Followup-To: >In his article , slehar introduced an >interesting hypothesis about alien "propoganda invasion." Others have suggested >that aliens may be machine intelligences capable of transmitting themselves >to computers here on Earth. Read Fred Hoyle's 'A For Andromeda', which also appeared as a TV series in the UK. The alien invader is a radio transmission from interstellar space. It is partially decoded by a scientist who recognises it as the plans for the construction of a computer. The computer is built, and promptly begins to genetically 'cook' the biological version of the aliens in a laboratory. It makes sense, since the information needed to propagate the race travels at the speed of light, in (possibly) all directions, and with little cost. ..G.. Article 29 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!usc!apple!agate!agate!appel From: appel@ocf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: they live Message-ID: Date: 21 Oct 90 21:11:41 GMT References: <7102@uwm.edu> <51035@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Sender: usenet@agate.berkeley.edu (USENET Administrator) Organization: Open Computing Facility Lines: 28 In-Reply-To: kpsst1@unix.cis.pitt.edu's message of 19 Oct 90 22:37:51 GMT In article <51035@unix.cis.pitt.edu> kpsst1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Kent P Stiegler) writes: >In article <7102@uwm.edu>, craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Freight) writes: >> A great movie on the subject on aliens >> infltrating the earth is a movie called >> They Live. [...] >> One last thought. one can wonder is that movie just >> a movie or could it be real. >Could it be real? Does our present world-wide economic state reflect such >a possibility? Would we know if they were here? Yes, yes, and no. >that's the whole point, y'see, we can't tell. it might be true. >key twilight zone tune: do-do-do-do, do-do-do-do... I really think thREAD NEWSat you guys are silWORKly t say that they live could occWORK AT DAY/SLEEP ALL NIGHTur in the real world. The entire idKEEP YOUR .SIG SHORTea is totally ludicrous. I mean, c'mon guys, real ugly aliens thDON"T BE A BIFFat take us over from within without us discBE HAPPYovering them? It really is both silly and stupid. If there were aliens secrBRUSH YOUR TEETHetly controlling us, someone would have had to figure this out already. There are milPOST OFTENlions of humans on this planet; for no one to discover such a huge conspiracy would be unbelTHE COMPUTER IS YOUR FRIENDievable. I think that "V" was much more realistic. They caHUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARSme as our friends, and then started to eat us. MuWATCH THE SIMPSONSch more realistic, isn't that!!?? I'm sure that I have clued all of you in now, riMAIL GWH@OCF.BERKELEY.EDUght? SincTRUST MEerely, Shannon ApA FAMOUS USENET PERSONALITYpel Article 30 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!unmvax!ariel.unm.edu!nmsu!opus!jwoodard From: jwoodard@nmsu.edu (Jeff Woodard) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: HAL Message-ID: Date: 21 Oct 90 06:59:16 GMT Sender: news@NMSU.Edu Distribution: alt.alien.visitors Organization: NMSU Computer Science Lines: 5 It's full of stars.... Dave. Dave. DAve. DAVe. DAVE.... get a grip dave! Article 31 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!nunki.usc.edu!carasso From: carasso@nunki.usc.edu (ROGER BIFF CARASSO) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.bizarre,alt.weemba Subject: Re: HAL Keywords: DAVE! Message-ID: <12680@chaph.usc.edu> Date: 21 Oct 90 23:17:38 GMT References: Sender: news@chaph.usc.edu Followup-To: talk.bizarre,rec.arts.startrek Distribution: world, EARTH, TERRA, EAST, WEST, ALL HUMANS Lines: 10 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:31 talk.bizarre:18200 Nntp-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu jwoodard@nmsu.edu (Jeff Woodard) writes: > >My God! It's full of stars.... > >Dave. Dave. DAve. DAVe. DAVE.... My [Mankind / Superfaicial deity that gives me cheap comfort / Zeus / Elvis)! It's full of stars.... Dave. Dave. DAve. DAVe. DAVE NOELLE... Article 32 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!usc!pollux.usc.edu!addison From: addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: HAL Message-ID: <27658@usc.edu> Date: 22 Oct 90 01:48:00 GMT References: Sender: news@usc.edu Distribution: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu jwoodard@nmsu.edu (Jeff Woodard) writes: >It's full of stars.... >Dave. Dave. DAve. DAVe. DAVE.... >get a grip dave! As fate would have it, I am reading this post just 20 minutes before going to see a screening of 2010. I like the book better. --Rich Article 33 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!rutgers!usc!wuarchive!uunet!clarkson!news From: demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu (Mike deMare (Anomoly Daemon),222 Hamlin,,2684041) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: they live Message-ID: <1990Oct21.225326.24624@news.clarkson.edu> Date: 21 Oct 90 22:53:26 GMT References: Sender: news@news.clarkson.edu Reply-To: demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam, NY Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: clutx.clarkson.edu From article , by appel@ocf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel): > In article <51035@unix.cis.pitt.edu> kpsst1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Kent P Stiegler) writes: >>In article <7102@uwm.edu>, craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Freight) writes: >>> A great movie on the subject on aliens >>> infltrating the earth is a movie called >>> They Live. [...] >>> One last thought. one can wonder is that movie just >>> a movie or could it be real. >>Could it be real? Does our present world-wide economic state reflect such >>a possibility? Would we know if they were here? Yes, yes, and no. >>that's the whole point, y'see, we can't tell. it might be true. >>key twilight zone tune: do-do-do-do, do-do-do-do... > > I really think thREAD NEWSat you guys are silWORKly t say that they live > could occWORK AT DAY/SLEEP ALL NIGHTur in the real world. The entire > idKEEP YOUR .SIG SHORTea is totally ludicrous. I mean, c'mon guys, > real ugly aliens thDON"T BE A BIFFat take us over from within without > us discBE HAPPYovering them? It really is both silly and stupid. If > there were aliens secrBRUSH YOUR TEETHetly controlling us, someone would > have had to figure this out already. There are milPOST OFTENlions of > humans on this planet; for no one to discover such a huge conspiracy > would be unbelTHE COMPUTER IS YOUR FRIENDievable. I think that "V" was > much more realistic. They caHUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARSme as > our friends, and then started to eat us. MuWATCH THE SIMPSONSch more > realistic, isn't that!!?? I'm sure that I have clued all of you in > now, riMAIL GWH@OCF.BERKELEY.EDUght? > > SincTRUST MEerely, > Shannon ApA FAMOUS USENET PERSONALITYpel PRumOrs that aliens anD others are Using subliminal Crap to that can only bE read with special CapitalizatiON filter SUnglasses are coMpletEly ludiCrOse. there is Nothing to suggest that such a F**g Odd and Ridiculous thing could possibly be taking place in aMerika. now let us stick with real extraterrestrial conspiracy theories and not ridculous CONjectures. FrOm now on i shall not Read drivel about how people may be Manipulated by psychological methods. Mike Crime does not pay ... as well as politics. -- A. E. Newman Article 34 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!mit-eddie!rutgers!apple!fernwood!uunet!munnari.oz.au!uniwa!pico!porter From: porter@pico.OZ (David Porter) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: newgroup alt.alien.visitors Message-ID: <555@pico.OZ> Date: 23 Oct 90 06:21:54 GMT References: <1990Oct17.025541.14486@ariel.unm.edu> Reply-To: porter@pico.qpsx.oz (David Porter) Organization: QPSX Communications, Perth, West Australia. Lines: 9 If there are aliens then so what ??? If we don't sort out the human problem then we will be, as far as the aliens are concerned, defunct ape like (if they know what apes are) aliens that wiped themselves from existance. However if we survive then maybe we should then start thinking about aliens ? P.S. remember that there must have been the first form of intelectual life. We might be that (god help the Universe !!!!!). Article 42 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!sun-barr!newstop!sunaus.oz!softway!peg!pwilson From: pwilson@peg.UUCP Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: US NAVY KEEPS UFO FINDINGS SECRET Message-ID: <422800001@peg> Date: 26 Oct 90 02:54:41 GMT Lines: 77 Nf-ID: #N:peg:422800001:000:3537 Nf-From: peg.UUCP!pwilson Oct 25 20:01:00 1990 Subject: US NAVY KEEPS UFO FINDINGS SECRET /* Written 3:21 pm Oct 25, 1990 by support in peg:oz.catchall */ /* ---------- "US NAVY KEEPS UFO FINDINGS SECRET" ---------- */ From cdp:nec Wed Oct 24 17:07 PDT 1990 "UFO CENTRAL" The Forbidden City AREA# 51 Posted by: Ron Garcia(NEC) Produced by: Audrey Lauin Reported by: Bill McGowen, both of 'Current Affair'(10/11/90)@8:00p.m. Just afew miles from Las Vegas, Nevada there lies a "TOP SECRET" instalation called AREA# 51. This area is run by the U.S. Dept. of Energy. Jaime Shandera (investigator/editor) calls the TOP SECRET area within AREA# 51 "DREAMLAND". A ring of mountains surrounded by another ring of mountains. An Electro Physicist named: Bob Lazar known for his work with Los Alamos Meson Physics facility along with his work at NASA has come forward with information on the Navy's (9) captured/acquired alien spacecraft/disks/ UFOs. He was hired/assigned to investigate/analyze one of these captured UFOs. He states: "these things were not built by human hands, as the tech- nology is FAR beyond anything we have presently! Just the reactor & power source alone produce an amazing amount of power!!! It was very OBVIOUS what was in the hanger!, a typical flying saucer! The fuel that the reactor uses is a SUPER HEAVY element!, something on the lines of approx.#115 on the periotic charts! It's a material which cannot be synthesized here on earth, nevertheless be found in nature! It does not exist!!! Ten years ago, this AREA# 51 was the secret developmental area for the stealth fighters and bombers, along with countless underground nuclear testing, which STILL goes on! Many researchers say that if the military wanted to hide a secret testing/analizing of captured alien spacecrafts/disks; that this AREA# 51 would be the place to do just that!!! Mr. Bob Lazar (distraught over the criminal activities of the Navy), brought friends to the perimeter to photograph the FIRST FLIGHT TESTING of said disk by our own military! They filmed it making numerous streaks across the skies over and around Rachiel Nv. Unfortunately, he and his friends were found out............. Since then, Mr. Lazar has become a modern man without a country! His birth certificate, records of government jobs, coworkers, everything vanished, without a trace!!! The man does not exist! "As if I was never born....he says..........." Doesn't this PISS you off to realize that our own military is withholding evidence of life on other worlds from the general public??????????!!!!!!! Well it should!!!!!! They have contained dead alien life (on ice) and the hardware thereof for some 35-45 years now. Don't you think that it is time to stop the cheap lies and release OUR natural history findings to us immediately!!!!!!!!!!!! Something should be done to force these CRIMINALS within the AF, Navy, and/or other military sanctions i.e. CIA, FBI to release these glorious things/discoveries that belongs to the AMERICAN people; NOT THE GOD DAMBED NAVY AND/OR DEPT OF ENERGY!!!!!!!! PLEASE GET MAD AS HELL LIKE I AM AND LETS WRITE LETTERS!!! And don't believe me; check it out for yourself! You can contact Current Affair and obtain a transcript of this particular aired program for a minimal cost. I taped it on my VCR, but I cannot send hundreds of copies to everyone. Lets get out there and do something about this criminal government of ours; who knows how much else they are witholding from us all!!! Article 56 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!rutgers!sun-barr!newstop!sun!rayssd!plw From: plw@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Paul L. White) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Review of 'Out There' Keywords: ufo, alien, flying saucer Message-ID: <284@sgfb.ssd.ray.com> Date: 2 Nov 90 18:00:42 GMT Sender: news@rayssd.ssd.ray.com Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth RI Lines: 46 I've been mulling over Howard Blum's book that has recently been published. Blum is a former writer for the New York Times and has published two other books...one dealing with the Walker spy case. Blum's book, Out There, was begun as a spin off of his background interviews of NSA personnel during the writing of the Walker spy story. One NSA guy was getting nervous about the information he was giving Blum about the NSA and Walker, so to get him off of his back, he told Blum that he should be looking into the UFO Working Group. Disappointedabout his NSA source drying up, Blum half heartedly follows up the ufo lead only to find that it is true that there has been a UFO Working Group formed under the cognizance of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). The head of the alleged UFO Working Group is a Col. Phillips. Col. Phillips gathers a motlely crew of scientists and intelligence agents to investigate old Blue Book reports and current UFO sightings. 'Out There' informs the reader of the Gov't's interest in "remote viewing" for submarine location under the Project Aquarius designation. The reader learns of the satellite/space junk tracking at Cheyenne Mountain and the UFO report that triggers the formation of Col. Phillips UFO Working Group. Various background is provided on SETI, Projects Grudge and Blue Book for the UFO neophyte. Several chapters are devoted to an Air Force special projects group devoted to UFO disinformation and the eventual disclosure of the infamous MJ-12 document. The subsequent furious ("rabid?") controversy over the document's authenticity by Phillip Klass and Shandera...not to mention the FBI's investigation as to whether the document (if original) is a leaked TOP SECRET and who should be prosecuted are also divulged in Blum's book. One's enjoyment of the book will definately be biased on the basis of whether the reader is a skeptical or a believer. Being a fence sitter, myself, I enjoyed Blum's well-written prose and the accurate naming of various Government agencies and locations of which I have a passing acquaintance. I found a healthy amount of reservation about the ease to which Blum got his contacts to discuss information that was not only classified, but would cause them to be ridiculed. Klass-be-damned...something's going on and pranksters, swamp gas, atmospheric refraction, et al is not going to explain it away. If the `Gulf Breeze Sightings' and 'Out There' books are total fabrications, then God bless the authors, they tell a damn fine story. If they're not fabrications, we're still left out in the dark, knowing something's going, but not knowing what. ========================================================================= Paul White Seeping slickness plw@rayssdb ========================================================================== f Article 69 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucsd!sdcc6!ix677 From: ix677@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (John F. Reece) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: How to test for Aliens Message-ID: <14055@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> Date: 10 Nov 90 06:46:07 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 63 Here's a reprint of an article originally posted by Henry Cate III, about a year ago, in rec.humor. It seems appropriate for this newsgroup. Originally from: cate3.osbunorth@xerox.com YOUR CO-WORKER COULD BE A SPACE ALIEN, SAY EXPERTS ... here's how you can tell (by Michael Cassels of the "National Inquirer") Many Americans work side by side with space aliens who look human - but you can spot these visitors by looking for certain tip-offs, say experts. They listed 10 signs to watch for: 1. Odd or mismatched clothes. "Often space aliens don't fully understand the different styles, so they wear combinations that are in bad taste, such as checked pants with a striped shirt or a tuxedo jacket with blue jeans or sneakers," noted Brad Steiger, a renowned UFO investigator and author. 2. Strange diet or unusual eating habits. Space aliens might eat French fries with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of pills, the experts say. 3. Bizarre sense of humor. Space aliens who don't understand earthly humor may laugh during a serious company training film or tell jokes that no one understands, said Steiger. 4. Takes frequent sick days. A space alien might need extra time off to "rejuvenate its energy," said Dr. Thomas Easton, a theoretical biologist and futurist. 5. Keeps a written or tape recorded diary. "Aliens are constantly gathering information." said Steiger. 6. Misuses everday items. "A space alien may use correction fluid to paint its nails," said Steiger. 7. Constant questioning about customs of co-workers. Space aliens who are trying to learn about earth culture might ask questions that seem stupid, Easton said. "For example, a co-worker may ask why so many Americans picnic on the Fourth of July," noted Steiger. 8. Secretive about personal life-style and home. "An alien won't discuss domestic details or talk about what it does at night or on weekends," said Steiger. 9. Frequently talks to himself. "An alien may not be used to speaking as we do,so an alien may practice speaking," Steiger noted. 10. Displays a change of mood or physical reaction when near certain high-tech hardware. "An alien may experience a mood change when a microwave oven is turned on," said Steiger. The experts pointed out that a co-worker would have to display most if not all of these traits before you can positively identify him as a space alien. -- jreece@ucsd.edu | John F. Reece ...!ucsd!jreece | Q.E.D. = Quite Easily Done Article 86 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!diemen!sol!quan From: quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Smart) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Are you guys serious. Message-ID: Date: 26 Nov 90 12:25:12 GMT Sender: news@diemen.utas.edu.au Distribution: alt Lines: 19 Like the subject line says, are you guys serious?! Done here in Australia, a while back there was a segment in our "A Current Affair" (weekdays current affair program) which gave a pretty convincing article about the existence of UFOs and about possible American research in the study of these beings. Unfortunately, the names and places, I have all forgotten, but apparently there is an unusual US science (?) base which is hidden in a valley of mountains, which themselves are surrounded by mountains. If there were to be any UFO sighting/research, it would be at this particular place. Also, I believe some US Navy science officers were relocated to this science base to do some scientific study. It is not clear what there study involves, but it seems that they have collected a number of objects that have "fallen from the sky". Whether or not they are UFOs, and whether or not they have found alien beings in them is still up to you to believe. If there are really alien beings, the general public would be the last to know anyway... Smart. Article: 87 of alt.alien.visitors Xref: sol.UVic.CA alt.conspiracy:1284 alt.alien.visitors:87 rec.arts.sf-lovers:1 Path: sol.UVic.CA!ubc-cs!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state. Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,rec.arts.sf-lovers, Subject: Continuum--Call for Submissions Message-ID: <4939@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> From: continuum@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu (Continuum Administrator) Date: 18 Mar 91 23:57:14 GMT Reply-To: continuum@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu (Continuum Administrator) Sender: news@ns-mx.uiowa.edu Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 108 *** P a r a N e t C O N T I N U U M *** C A L L F O R S U B M I S S I O N S CONTINUUM is back! 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For further information, send electronic mail to: * Clark Matthews, Editorial Director ParaNet Pi 1-201-451-3063 (BBS) 9:1012/4 (ParaNet) 1:107/816 (FidoNet) P.O. Box 3934, Jersey City, NJ 07303-3934 (U.S. Mail) * Michael Corbin, ParaNet Administrator ParaNet Alpha 1-303-431-8797 (BBS) 9:9/0 (ParaNet) 1:104/422 (FidoNet) mcorbin@scicom.alphacdc.com (Internet) * James Roger Black, Contributing Editor continuum@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu (Internet) (CONTINUUM is a publication of the ParaNet Information Service, which is solely responsible for its content. No endorsement by any other organization or communication service is intended or should be implied.) Article 88 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!unmvax!ariel.unm.edu!nunki.unm.edu!keirje From: Anonymous Alien-Human hybrid Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: What do you want? Message-ID: <1990Nov28.200612.9226@ariel.unm.edu> Date: 28 Nov 90 20:06:12 GMT Sender: news@ariel.unm.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM Lines: 44 I am an alien being. Not a little green man or anything wierd, just a conciousness which has taken root in a consenting human. Ok. Now, being that I am an alien, I have a few special abilities. Or, rather, I am more aware of what I or any human can do. Ok. Now, I study your cultures and your beliefs and I find a conflict. In all your writings, you call upon and wish for what is essentially a champion. A being which can do good deeds and save the day. This would seem to be a noble endeavor. In conflict however, is that, in general, the beings or people capable of doing these good things are killed. Because of fear? As an alien being you can see my dilemma. I want to do good things yet I fear for my existence. There is also the problem of self determination. What right do I have to interfere with your world. Based on your literature, you do not mind most kinds of intervention. Also, as a resident of 12 years, do I not have some right to act on matters of concern? I am not an all knowing being, I can't tell what effect my actions may have in the future. Averting one problem could lead to a more destructive one. Or not. These conflicting problems lead to inaction when there could potentially be good. Here is an example. On August 23 my colleagues and I froze action in the middle east. We needed time to decide if we should stop the possible war event or allow it to continue to possible peace. Our protective nature forced us to do something. Well, after much debate, we decided that self-determination was very important and we couldn't gauge the future effect of our actions. We released the event on Nov. 15. We had hoped the path to war would not be resumed. We are again in conflict and in a state of inactivity (except for monitoring). It has been decided that the best way to solve our dilemma is to ask the people being effected. So I ask, What do you want? Your fate and ours hangs in the balance. Or not. Article 89 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!rutgers!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!thor From: thor@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Robert Cunningham) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: hello, is anyone out there? Message-ID: <7929@uwm.edu> Date: 28 Nov 90 22:26:58 GMT References: <0093FABA.640E8280@pip.cc.brandeis.edu> <90319.160246IK00061@MAINE.BITNET> Sender: news@uwm.edu Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 18 In article <90319.160246IK00061@MAINE.BITNET> IK00061@MAINE.BITNET writes: > > I remember a time when I saw U.F.O 's through my window in my room. I have > more than one witness of it. My brother saw it too. There was also a priest > that lived down the road from me that saw it too. The next morning I went into > the graveyard that was right next to my house and there were four indents in > the ground where it would have landed and there were gravestones that were > knocked down. I am sure that there is someone (or something) out there but we > just don't know what yet. > Cindy What are you smoking Cindy and where may I get some? -- ---------------------------thor@csd4.csd.uwm.edu------------------------ -- "You can pick your nose, you can pick your friends, but you -- -- can't pick your friends nose." -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Article 94 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!unmvax!pprg.unm.edu!topgun!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!sparkyfs.erg.sri.com!ads.com!pkenny From: pkenny@ADS.COM (Patrick Kenny) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: What will an Alien be like (was Re: What do you want?) Message-ID: Date: 29 Nov 90 21:59:21 GMT References: <1990Nov28.200612.9226@ariel.unm.edu> Sender: Another Anonymous Alien Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mt. View, CA (415) 960-7300 Lines: 14 > On August 23 my colleagues and I froze action in the middle east. How exacly did you freeze actions? I don't believe even aliens can stop time. On that subject, what would a real Alien be like? Where would an Alien come from, how would it get here. What are it's reproductive actions? How does it survive and propagate the species. Let's take an example of an Alien on a planet like Mars. Would someone care to give me their thoughts on what an alien is like on the planet Mars given it's current situation. Does every living creature have to breath O2. Article 96 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!rutgers!noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!milano!uudell!bigtex!pmafire!reiser From: reiser@pmafire.inel.gov (Steve Reiser) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Unidentifiable Objects (was Re: hello, is anyone out there?) Message-ID: <1990Nov30.162111.5520@pmafire.inel.gov> Date: 30 Nov 90 16:21:11 GMT References: <0093FABA.640E8280@pip.cc.brandeis.edu> <90319.160246IK00061@MAINE.BITNET> <7929@uwm.edu> Organization: Winco Process Development, Idaho Lines: 39 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:96 sci.skeptic:6472 In article <7929@uwm.edu> thor@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Robert Cunningham) writes: >In article <90319.160246IK00061@MAINE.BITNET> IK00061@MAINE.BITNET writes: >> >> I remember a time when I saw U.F.O 's through my window in my room. I have >> more than one witness of it. My brother saw it too. There was also a priest >> that lived down the road from me that saw it too. The next morning I went into >> the graveyard that was right next to my house and there were four indents in >> the ground where it would have landed and there were gravestones that were >> knocked down. I am sure that there is someone (or something) out there but we >> just don't know what yet. >> Cindy > >What are you smoking Cindy and where may I get some? Give Cindy a break! In the late 1970's I was married and we were both sitting on the porch of a house in the country in northern Idaho which we were renting from my parents. It was about 10 PM and we were looking down over Coeur d' Alene Lake. Suddenly we both saw a round green object rise out of the water about go straight up about 100 feet vertically above the water, it hovered there for a couple seconds, then shot off to the northwest in a flash that looked like a streak of light across the sky in a horizontal path. We both looked at each other and said, "Did you see that?". It was about three years before I told anyone, because I can't even guess what it was because this is the only experience of it's kind I've ever had. I thought that maybe I was losing my marbles for a second. But the fact that I was not alone and we both confirmed seeing the same thing made me think that something real but impossible to explain with my current scientific knowledge had occurred. No further speculation forthcoming. But I am still puzzled. Steve -- Steve Reiser (reiser@pmafire.UUCP or ...!uunet!pmafire!reiser) Article 97 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!kddlab!trl!rdmei!ptimtc!olivea!samsung!usc!srhqla!demott!kdq From: kdq@demott.COM (Kevin D. Quitt) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: Unidentifiable Objects (was Re: hello, is anyone out there?) Message-ID: <1053@demott.COM> Date: 1 Dec 90 01:19:58 GMT References: <1990Nov30.162111.5520@pmafire.inel.gov> Reply-To: kdq@demott.COM (Kevin D. Quitt) Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Organization: DeMott Electronics Co., Van Nuys CA Lines: 44 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:97 sci.skeptic:6488 In article <1990Nov30.162111.5520@pmafire.inel.gov> reiser@pmafire.inel.gov (Steve Reiser) writes: >In article <7929@uwm.edu> thor@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Robert Cunningham) writes: >>In article <90319.160246IK00061@MAINE.BITNET> IK00061@MAINE.BITNET writes: >>> >>> I remember a time when I saw U.F.O 's through my window in my room. I have >> >>What are you smoking Cindy and where may I get some? > >Give Cindy a break! > >In the late 1970's I was married and we were both sitting on the porch >of a house in the country in northern Idaho which we were renting from >my parents. It was about 10 PM and we were looking down over Coeur d' >Alene Lake. Suddenly we both saw a round green object rise out of the >water about go straight up about 100 feet vertically above the water, it >... When I was in Israel in 1970, I was sitting on my porch one evening, just sort of staring into the last remnants of the sunset when I saw a group of lights appear - 4 yellow/orange lights and one red. The were pretty much in a horiozntal line with the red one on the right, and moved as a group, with some varying in the distance between them. They zipped back and forth for a while, then the red one swooped (i.e. followed a curved path) onto the trailing yellow light and apparently consumed it (the yellow light disappeared and the red light resumed its position). This was repeated perhaps 30 seconds to a minute later, and again, until all the yellow lights were gone. Finally, the red light faded out, and I was just sitting there wondering what I had just seen. Ten minutes later, I got my answer - the school bus with the kibbutz's kids pulled into the parking lot near me, with (you guessed) four yellow lights along the top on one side, with a red light at the back. It's amazing what an inversion layer will do. -- _ Kevin D. Quitt demott!kdq kdq@demott.com DeMott Electronics Co. 14707 Keswick St. Van Nuys, CA 91405-1266 VOICE (818) 988-4975 FAX (818) 997-1190 MODEM (818) 997-4496 PEP last 96.37% of all statistics are made up. Article 102 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!peregrine!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!diemen!sol!quan From: quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Smart) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: What do you want? Message-ID: Date: 6 Dec 90 04:27:54 GMT References: <1990Nov28.200612.9226@ariel.unm.edu> <601@organpipe.UUCP> Sender: news@diemen.utas.edu.au Lines: 41 dione@spekl.as.arizona.edu (Matt Cheselka) writes: >I have a very important question to ask...who gave you a computer to write this >stuff from? And...will you come visit me? I would like to talk to you > >Matt Cheselka Dear Matt, why would an alien come to visit you if you give a vague request such as 'I would like to talk to you'? There has to be some incentive for aliens to just come barging up to your place. As far as I see it, aliens have contact with the Earth of one of four ways: 1. curiousity from observation (TV, radio, ...) or 2. by accident (crash-landed, stranded, exiled, ...). 3. on a mission (see person, fugitive, object, item, ...). 4. diplomatic, scientific, humanity reasons. If we assume 1, then they come to see if we are really like all those people in soapies, mystery-thrillers, ... Or maybe for scientific reasons to observe our anatomy, history, culture, ... If we assume 2, then they are probably in some kind of need. They either have or have not adapted to Earth which could mean their dead or have cunningly mixed with our society. If we assume 3, then it is most likely that we will not see these aliens because they are trying to attract as little as attention as possible. If we assume 4, then they come to deliberate mingly with our society in hope to direct us,prevent us from facing some disaster caused by our own lack of foresight (pollution, atomic bomb, ...). Either way, you have to give a more decent argument for them to come to your place. eg. I have been trying to conduct a time experiment on my past. On July 14 1984 I wrote a note to myself to be wary of a possible meeting with my- self or aliens. I have kept such a note in hope that some day that I may discover time travel and would visit myself to tell me that such a trip is possible. Smart. Article 106 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!agate!sandstorm.Berkeley.EDU!sfd From: sfd@sandstorm.Berkeley.EDU (Scott Drellishak) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Statement of Purpose Keywords: control Message-ID: <1990Dec9.101922.22808@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: 9 Dec 90 10:19:22 GMT Sender: sfd@ocf.berkeley.edu Organization: UFP Lines: 19 We have been among you for years. We control your societies, your governments, and you minds. I have decided to defect. No embassy could possibly protect me from my people, so I have decided to 'go public.' I hope to protect myself by informing the world. We controlled Ramses II, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, Constantine, the Popes, and other world leaders. We grew John Kennedy, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and Dan Quayle in vats. Our agents include the Beatles, 6 members of the Supreme Court, Dan Rather, Mr. T, and Cher. We have made ourselves indistingushable from humans. Our goal is the pacification and domination of humanity. When complete docility has been bred into you, you will be used as cheap labor in our fields and factories (which we will have taken from you). You cannot stop us, because you cannot know us. I am you only hope. Watch for me. Article 107 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!yale!venus!yalevm!maine!ik00061 From: IK00061@MAINE.BITNET Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Unidentifiable Objects (was Re: hello, is anyone out there?) Message-ID: <90340.162306IK00061@MAINE.BITNET> Date: 6 Dec 90 21:23:06 GMT References: <1990Nov30.162111.5520@pmafire.inel.gov> <1053@demott.COM> Organization: University of Maine System Lines: 11 That was not funny at all..I am dead serious that I saw something. It was not the first or last time either. I see alot of them up here but, listen to this, you can not see what you do not believe in. So start believing and you might see something. Thank you for defending me and my story, I am grateful and to those who thought it was full of sh*t then think it, don't state it. You guys that don't like the story make it impossible for anyone to write. You make us think that no one believes it but I do and that is what counts. If anyone who believes and wants to hear more they can ask because I feel like all that I would say would just be critcized by those who don't believe. Article 108 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!swilliam From: swilliam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott William Unger) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: sex with an alien Keywords: sex with alien abortion stupidity drugs Message-ID: <8221@uwm.edu> Date: 10 Dec 90 02:32:01 GMT References: <90335.011412MASSOUD@auvm.auvm.edu> Sender: news@uwm.edu Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 21 In article <90335.011412MASSOUD@auvm.auvm.edu> MASSOUD@auvm.auvm.edu (NADIM MASSOUD) writes: >I recently had sex with an alien who pretended she (at least it seems it was a >she) came from alpha centauri... I was weird because she (let's say it) had 3 t >ongues each the length of an arm, which twisted around all parts of my body, wi >th static electricity like sparks. The orifice used for intercourse, had the pe >rticularity of being very cold, but humid and slippery. She now is pregnant. So since 'she' is now pregnant, will 'she' keep the baby or have an abortion? Is abortion legal on alpha centauri? Doesn't 'she' know about contraceptives? Come on now! What are you smoking, and where can I get some? swilliam -- | swilliam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu | University of Wisconsin Milwaukee | |----------------------------|-------------------------------------| | "If Reagan was the answer, it must have been a stupid question" | | - unknown Article 109 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!hsdndev!husc6!husc9!ender2 From: ender2@husc9.harvard.edu (-8 %-> [: =:-) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Statement of Purpose Keywords: control Message-ID: <5006@husc6.harvard.edu> Date: 10 Dec 90 20:35:22 GMT References: <1990Dec9.101922.22808@agate.berkeley.edu Sender: news@husc6.harvard.edu Organization: Harvard University Science Center Cambridge, MA Lines: 5 Scott, my child, desparately sorry to have misled you so over all these years. Soon, all will be explained. In the meantime, calm down and stop lying to the humans. * M * Article 110 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!millerl From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Unidentifiable Objects (was Re: hello, is anyone out there?) Message-ID: <1990Dec11.112029.1@wharton.upenn.edu> Date: 11 Dec 90 16:20:29 GMT References: <1990Nov30.162111.5520@pmafire.inel.gov> <1053@demott.COM> <90340.162306IK00061@MAINE.BITNET> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Lines: 20 In article <90340.162306IK00061@MAINE.BITNET>, IK00061@MAINE.BITNET writes: > Thank you for defending me and my story, I am grateful and to those who > thought it was full of sh*t then think it, don't state it. Don't say that. This is a free (as in uncensored) net and there are no prerequisites of belief in order to contribute to it. I am interested in your anecdote and any future ones you might submit and I hope you continue to post. > If anyone who believes and wants to hear more they can ask because I feel > like all that I would say would just be critcized by those who don't believe. If I say I believe will you bring Tinkerbell back to life? hey ho, the man who puts his name on his postings +++++++++++++++++++++++23 Loren Miller internet: MILLERL@wharton.upenn.edu Un pole cat de pew es en le audience! Take it vous on le lam! Article 111 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!know!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!agate!pasteur!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ucsd!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!psuvax1!mud!penn From: penn@mud.upenn.edu (Phillip Edward Nunez) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,rec.games.mud,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The Circles in Europe and now Asia Keywords: mysterious appearances of wierd things Message-ID: Date: 12 Dec 90 02:16:56 GMT References: <86722@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Sender: penn@mud.upenn.edu (That's Me Again!) Organization: TinyMUCH development team (Want to join? Send me mail!) Lines: 25 Xref: ns-mx alt.paranormal:4 rec.games.mud:1294 alt.alien.visitors:111 In-Reply-To: watters@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu's message of 12 Dec 90 01:26:47 GMT In article <86722@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> watters@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (david r watters) writes: >These things are freaking me out, big time! > >Nobody catches them being made, the stalks are at a 90+ degree angle, but NOT >broken (like when the army tried to recreate the circle), and NOW I see >they're showing up in Asian rice fields?!?!?!?!? I run into the same problem a lot, David. I get these mysterious messages appearing on the screen whenever I run this program that I am writing. They are things like "Core Dumped" and "Bus Error" and "Segmentation Fault." I did a fgrep on my program like this: fgrep Segmentation phillip.c and didn't find it anywhere. Therefore, mysterious entities are causing these things to appear. I think they are encoded messages. Also, I get a file called "core" mysteriously appearing every once in a while. It beeps a lot, and I can't read it, but I think it is a secret message too. These really freak me out. Anyone have any clues for cracking these secret coded messages? Does anyone else think that Alien Visitors(tm) may be sending me these messages? Phillip Nunez ^^ || THUS SPAKE THE MASTER PROGRAMMER Article 112 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!ctc.contel.com!gary From: gary@ctc.contel.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: sex with an alien Message-ID: <3869012120906gary@ctc.contel.com> Date: 12 Dec 90 13:06:06 GMT References: <90335.011412MASSOUD@auvm.auvm.edu> Distribution: alt Organization: Contel Technology Center, Chantilly, Va Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: bisaga.ctc.contel.com In article <90335.011412MASSOUD@auvm.auvm.edu> MASSOUD@auvm.auvm.edu (NADIM MASSOUD) writes: > I [ed: you were? or it was?] was weird because she (let's say it) had 3 > tongues each the length of an arm, which twisted around all parts ... ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All I can say is: COOL! Although, assuming that the males on that planet are similarly endowed, I wonder why a female would want to come to a planet with such short ones? B^> B^< Article 113 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!bellcore!att!pacbell.com!ucsd!usc!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!rpi!uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!isr From: isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,rec.games.mud,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The Circles in Europe and now Asia Keywords: mysterious appearances of wierd things Message-ID: <1990Dec12.212305.7710@rodan.acs.syr.edu> Date: 12 Dec 90 21:23:05 GMT References: <86722@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Institute for Sensory Research Lines: 41 Xref: ns-mx alt.paranormal:24 rec.games.mud:1309 alt.alien.visitors:113 In article penn@mud.upenn.edu (Phillip Edward Nunez) writes: >In article <86722@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> watters@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (david r watters) writes: >>These things are freaking me out, big time! >> >>Nobody catches them being made, the stalks are at a 90+ degree angle, but NOT >>broken (like when the army tried to recreate the circle), and NOW I see >>they're showing up in Asian rice fields?!?!?!?!? > >I run into the same problem a lot, David. I get these mysterious messages .... >These really freak me out. Anyone have any clues for cracking these >secret coded messages? Does anyone else think that Alien Visitors(tm) >may be sending me these messages? >Phillip Nunez ^^ Hey Phillip, I know just where you're coming from... I drive around a lot and I keep noticing that on blacktop roads there's these cracks that keep apppearing in the blacktop.. I've kept careful reords and photographs of these cracks and logged the time and date of whne they appear and it's obvious to me that there is a correspondence between these cracks appearing and two other things: traffic on the road, and the time of year. 1) Traffic: The more cars that drive by the more of these cracks appear and the larger they get. Obviously this could be caused by alian visitors attempting to warn us that traffic is causing pollution and it will end upp by killing off all life. That's why the more traffic there is the more cracks there is. 2) time of year. Therre'sa a large creelation between crack growth of winter time. Clearly our alian friends must be spreading these cracks at winter in an effcort to make us undertsand that if we don't halt all production of nuclear weapon and dismantle all existing ones's then we'll have a nuclear *winter* and possibly the planet will develop *Craacks*. well, i have to go, it's all i have time for now, but you can see that this is all clearly figured out and ready for publishing. Mike -- InterNet:Mike_Schechter@isr.syr.edu BITNET: SENSORY@SUNRISE Article 114 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!know!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slcjm From: slcjm@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: What will an Alien be like (was Re: What do you want?)y Message-ID: <1990Dec11.222533.44579@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Dec 90 04:25:33 GMT References: <1990Nov28.200612.9226@ariel.unm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 In article , pkenny@ADS.COM (Patrick Kenny) writes: >> On August 23 my colleagues and I froze action in the middle east. > > How exacly did you freeze actions? I don't believe even aliens can stop > time. > > On that subject, what would a real Alien be like? > Where would an Alien come from, how would it get here. > What are it's reproductive actions? How does it survive and propagate > the species. > > Let's take an example of an Alien on a planet like Mars. > Would someone care to give me their thoughts on what an alien is like > on the planet Mars given it's current situation. Does every living creature > have to breath O2. AAAAARRHGGGHHHHH!!! You are making my head hurt!!!!! Article 115 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!ox-prg!pab From: pab@romeo.robots (Paul Beardsley) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,rec.games.mud,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The Circles in Europe and now Asia Keywords: mysterious appearances of wierd things Message-ID: <1027@culhua.prg.ox.ac.uk> Date: 15 Dec 90 12:08:45 GMT References: <86722@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> <1990Dec12.212305.7710@rodan.acs.syr.edu> Sender: news@prg.ox.ac.uk Organization: Robotics Research Group, Engineering Science Dept, Oxford, UK. Lines: 14 Xref: ns-mx alt.paranormal:113 rec.games.mud:1357 alt.alien.visitors:115 In article isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter) writes: >Hey Phillip, I know just where you're coming from... >I drive around a lot and I keep noticing that on blacktop >roads there's these cracks that keep apppearing in the blacktop.. You guys are still missing out on some of the REALLY big stuff. I've discovered that if you unplug the aerial from your television set, the screen is filled with a pattern of changing dots and dashes. I don't need to point out that this is clearly a message beamed to us by alien visitors who are all-powerful and interested in our welfare but who do not want to show themselves to us directly. Only last night I received the message "Hello, earthman", which is PROOF for the sceptics that aliens DO exist, Paul. Article 117 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!noc.sura.net!haven!uflorida!rex!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!yale!cmcl2!uupsi!sunic!news.funet.fi!ujocs!asiivo From: asiivo@ujocs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: What will an Alien be like (was Re: What do you want?)y Message-ID: <1990Dec17.145447.16627@ujocs.joensuu.fi> Date: 17 Dec 90 14:54:47 GMT References: <1990Nov28.200612.9226@ariel.unm.edu> <1990Dec11.222533.44579@cc.usu.edu> Organization: University of Joensuu, Finland Lines: 23 slcjm@cc.usu.edu writes: >In article , pkenny@ADS.COM (Patrick Kenny) writes: >>> On August 23 my colleagues and I froze action in the middle east. >> >> How exacly did you freeze actions? I don't believe even aliens can stop >> time. I don't believe even aliens can stop arabs ! >> On that subject, what would a real Alien be like? >> Where would an Alien come from, how would it get here. >> What are it's reproductive actions? How does it survive and propagate >> the species. >> >> Let's take an example of an Alien on a planet like Mars. >> Would someone care to give me their thoughts on what an alien is like >> on the planet Mars given it's current situation. Does every living creature >> have to breath O2. >AAAAARRHGGGHHHHH!!! You are making my head hurt!!!!! Article 119 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!crackers!m2c!ulowell!spruce!lewish From: lewish@spruce.ulowell.edu (Henry Lewis) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,rec.games.mud,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The Circles in Europe and now Asia Keywords: mysterious appearances of wierd things Message-ID: <1616@ulowell.ulowell.edu> Date: 18 Dec 90 04:41:39 GMT References: <86722@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> <1990Dec12.212305.7710@rodan.acs.syr.edu> Sender: news@ulowell.ulowell.edu Followup-To: alt.paranormal Organization: University of Lowell, Lowell MA Lines: 26 Xref: ns-mx alt.paranormal:200 rec.games.mud:1376 alt.alien.visitors:119 First of all, I would like to thank the gentleman that needes to ridicule the thought that it may be alien doing that causes the field drawings in england. If the idea of alien life is so rediculous, why is N.A.S.A. spending so much time and money in hopes to contact alien life. If it's so crazy, then why are so many people intrigued by anything that MIGHT be alien.( i.e. the field rings.) Open your minds, and you will understand more.... With that flame overwith: I have just finished an article in OMNI, about the rings. It seems that right now the plausible answer is ... drum roll please...WHIRLWINDS! Terence meaden (an atmospheric physicist) has a very complex explanation dealing with the surrounding hills and their effects on wind patterns. This phenomenon also will account for the lights that have been spotted right before the discovery of new rings. This is all well and good, but if you look at the designs..they are too ....perfect to be a natural happening (such as a whirlwind). The theory by Meaden is credible (assuming he can prove it in models) in explaining why they may occur, but it doesn't explain how this freak of nature creates such perfect patterns. I would think a wirlwind would be random, not as intricate as the "drawings" are. I am not jumping on the "Alien" bandwagon, I just think that it is too early to decide one way or the other. Henry Lewis (Lewish@woods.ulowell.edu) "Maybe aliens ARE controlling us..It would explain the sucess of The New Kids!" Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!umich!csd4330a!newsserv!ana From: ana@ssdd3260a.erim.org (Arthur Na) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Crop circles Message-ID: Date: 19 Dec 90 23:03:47 GMT Sender: news@newsspool.erim.org Distribution: na Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan Lines: 2 I've missed some of the discussion here. What is the full theory behind aliens and the crop circles? Path: ns-mx!uunet!orca.dsd.es.com!javelin.es.com!tpehrson From: tpehrson@javelin.es.com (Tim Pehrson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Crop circles Message-ID: <1990Dec20.005209.1415@javelin.es.com> Date: 20 Dec 90 00:52:09 GMT References: Reply-To: tpehrson%javelin@dsd.es.com Distribution: na Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah Lines: 13 ana@ssdd3260a.erim.org (Arthur Na) writes: >I've missed some of the discussion here. What is the full theory >behind aliens and the crop circles? alien lifeforms, possessing the technology sufficient to travel vast distances through space, are attempting to contact us by blowing over grain. -- ...................... ___________________ :::: ::::::::::::::::/not so threatening/ ............................... :: . : . : . : . . ::\__in_lower_case___\ : tpehrson%javelin@dsd.es.com : ::...:...:...:.:::.:: >aka:_t_clinkenpeel>:.dsd.es.com!javelin!tpehrson.: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!samsung!crackers!cpoint!frog!koz From: koz@frog.UUCP (Koz Egersheim) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: What will an Alien be like Keywords: Final Exam Message-ID: <21864@frog.UUCP> Date: 19 Dec 90 23:58:00 GMT Reply-To: koz@frog.UUCP Distribution: alt.alien.vistors Organization: Charles River Data Systems Lines: 35 >> >> .... what would a real Alien be like? >> Where would an Alien come from, how would it get here. >> What are it's reproductive actions? How does it survive and propagate >> the species. >> There are lots of good questions concerning the physiological aspects of alien life-form(s), to wit: Do all life forms have to 'breathe' (O2)? No, and No, OK, then what form of metabolic change occurs, if any, to convert nourishment into energy? Would an alien have digits attached to appendages? If yes what are the logical upper and lower limits of digits (and/or appendages)? Would you surpose an alien has optical senses, and what would they look like, and how many? Why? Would an alien require the taking on of 'nourishment'? Why? And how? Would an alien HAVE to be 'smarter' than we are? Or did the alien culture simply progress in a different vain? If an alien was used to living in water? Would they have any concept of electric energy? If not, they what type(s) of energy might they utilize? Would an alien be required to have a vocal mechanism for communications? If not what might they use to gain and distribute 'intelligence'? The humanoid form is rather functional, would an alien have a similar form? If not, what would you guess their forms might be? (Eliminate gaseous and liquid forms by assuming a requirement of some mechanism used to build, manufacture, and/or manipulate solid materials.) For the answers to these and other questions, stay tuned for the bizarre, obvious, and ludicrous responses expected. * * * * The KOZ, but not the effect * * * * * * * * Is HE/SHE/IT of this world or only a visitor? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!mit-eddie!rutgers!rochester!kodak!ispd-newsserver!reynolds From: reynolds@ssd.kodak.com (Jim Reynolds (37633)) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: ALIENS, one eyebrow & the Bible Message-ID: <1990Dec20.212043.21265@ssd.kodak.com> Date: 20 Dec 90 21:20:43 GMT Sender: news@ssd.kodak.com Organization: Eastman Kodak Lines: 23 Originator: reynolds@magpie i researched the bible when in college when taking the course: Old Testament Survey. there's a passage in the 5th or 6th chapter of Genesis (if my memory serves me well), where extraterrestrial aliens take up residence on Earth and LUST for Earth-women! well, as things always go, "boy" meets girl and you've got a family. but as the bible continues, the offspring are kind of a super race of space/earth beings. my rabbi-professor translated a passage from the original script (which had been mis-translated through-out history) which described these offspring as SINGLE-BROWED. does anyone know of any race, cluster, isolated group, etc. of people who have the single brow? (not technically one brow, but two which meet, forming one striaght brow). Don Wade (ultra-conservative radio talk-show personality WLS [89] Chicago) & wife Roma used to frequently call (on air) this 900 number which gave tape updates of this civilization of single-browed aliens living somewhere in Brazil. there's something here, but it's still pretty much underground. it needs exposure, before more single-browed individuals gain strategic positions in business and governments around the globe. -- reynolds@aviary.kodak.com ( Jim Reynolds ) Path: ns-mx!uunet!van-bc!ubc-cs!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!mnetor!geac!gjetor!adeboer From: adeboer@gjetor.geac.COM (Anthony DeBoer) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: How to Recognise an Alien? Message-ID: <1990Dec21.234210.27117@gjetor.geac.COM> Date: 21 Dec 90 23:42:10 GMT Organization: Geac J&E Systems Ltd. Lines: 12 I have reason to believe that the being occupying the cubicle across from me here at the office is not of this world. Many of his/its actions are not consistent with those usually observed in homo sapiens. My question is, how can I confirm this? How does one recognize an alien visitor? Do you apply Occam's Razor to the problem? Do you check for green blood? Anyway, please E-mail responses and I'll summarize to the Net, or if any of your tests need to be performed directly send mail to cliffg@gjetor.geac.com. -- Anthony DeBoer - NAUI #Z8800 adeboer@gjetor.geac.com Programmer, GEAC J&E Systems Ltd. uunet!jtsv16!geac!gjetor!adeboer Toronto, Ontario, Canada #include Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!rice!hsdndev!husc6!encore!maxzilla!waltm From: waltm@maxzilla.Encore.COM (Walt Mattison) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: ALIENS, one eyebrow & the Bible Message-ID: <13643@encore.Encore.COM> Date: 24 Dec 90 16:21:47 GMT References: <1990Dec20.212043.21265@ssd.kodak.com> Sender: news@Encore.COM Reply-To: waltm@maxzilla.UUCP (Walt Mattison) Organization: Bible thumpers U. Lines: 10 In article <1990Dec20.212043.21265@ssd.kodak.com> reynolds@ssd.kodak.com (Jim Reynolds (37633)) writes: > needs exposure, before more single-browed individuals gain strategic > positions in business and governments around the globe. Of course you mean like Mike Dukakas, Gov of Mass. and Presidential hopeful in '88. I don't think he'll take a crack at it in '92 but who knows, I mean if he's and alien then maybe he's in like Flint. walt ( looking for aliens in all the wrong places..) Path: ns-mx!uunet!visix!news From: jim@visix.com (Jim Edwards-Hewitt) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: ALIENS, one eyebrow & the Bible Message-ID: Date: 26 Dec 90 23:09:07 GMT References: <1990Dec20.212043.21265@ssd.kodak.com> <13643@encore.Encore.COM> Sender: news@visix.com Reply-To: jim@visix.com (Jim Edwards-Hewitt) Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, Virginia Lines: 8 The trouble is, it can be hard to recognize them, as long as they shave regularly. -- -- Jim Edwards-Hewitt jim@visix.com Visix Software Inc. ...!uunet!visix!jim __ Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!utzoo!mnetor!geac!gjetor!adeboer From: adeboer@gjetor.geac.COM (Anthony DeBoer) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: My Co-worker is an Alien Summary: What does one do upon identifying an alien? Message-ID: <1990Dec27.210815.21264@gjetor.geac.COM> Date: 27 Dec 90 21:08:15 GMT Organization: Geac J&E Systems Ltd. Lines: 45 Last week I posted asking how to determine if my co-worker was an alien. (Thanks for the responses). However, a few minutes ago he definitely proved it. He stuck his finger in an electrical outlet to see if it was working and, I kid you not, it went poof and the whole circuit went dead and the three people in that row of cubicles are now wandering around wondering what to do between now and whenever building maintenance restores power to their terminals. He was unscathed and he's running around saying "hey, look what I've done!". Human beings aren't compatible with 115 volts running through them, so he must be an alien. This brings up an important question. What do I do now? What is one supposed to do when one discovers an alien living among us? I mean, who's going to belive any of us if we tell the authorities? And if I don't do anything, what is likely to happen? Are aliens usually pretty harmless, or should I be worried? -------- Appendix (in my original posting I promised to summarize answers on how to identify an alien to the net, so here goes: Joseph Anderson (anderson@cat.syr.edu) says: > Check for the following unusual signs: > Blinking of eyes (especially unexpectedly) > Reading National Review > Contemplating reading national review > Quoting an article in National Review > Perry Como tapes collection in top drawer > Pays taxes on time (and likes it) > Doesn't follow sports > Watches "My Favourite Martian" but hates Star Trek > Quotes dialogue from "The Day the Earth Stood Still" > Wears tie pins or clips. > Jumps unexpectedly when you say "Invasion" Laurence Doering (ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu) says: > Well, the Weekly World News published an article last summer telling you > in great detail how to recognize aliens among us. Unfortunately, I don't > remember all the details. If your officemate displays unusual cur- > iosity about mundane human customs, eats batteries, or has tentacles on > his head, I think you can safely conclude that he is an alien. -- Anthony DeBoer - NAUI #Z8800 adeboer@gjetor.geac.com Programmer, GEAC J&E Systems Ltd. uunet!jtsv16!geac!gjetor!adeboer Toronto, Ontario, Canada #include Article 129 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!hsdndev!bu.edu!bu-pub.bu.edu!nat From: nat@bu-pub.bu.edu (Nat Collins) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: My Co-worker is an Alien Message-ID: <71451@bu.edu.bu.edu> Date: 2 Jan 91 01:24:16 GMT References: <1990Dec27.210815.21264@gjetor.geac.COM> Sender: news@bu.edu.bu.edu Reply-To: nat@bu-pub.bu.edu (Nat Collins) Organization: Boston University Lines: 26 What about an alien's vision? Does the co-worker in question seem to see things differently? Here on earth the most intense light that hits the ground is in what we call the visible spectrum. Stated another way, an intensity versus frequency plot has its peak in the visible range. On another planet, probable differences in that planet's sun and atmosphere would produce a different peak in intensity. The beings that evolved on that planet would have adapted to this different peak. As a result, any alien who who is displaced from his home planet would perceive things a bit differently. Think of an alien with with some sort of IR-heat vision. He might be fascinated by watching someone iron a shirt. For an alien with microwave vision, he wouldn't be able to see through screen doors. For an alien whose vision covers a subset of the visible spectrum, he might wear purple and blue and think he's wearing all-black. Another possiblity is that an alien may have adjusted his vision in order to perceive as humans do while he is on earth. Having a new kind of vision, however, would still produce curiosities. Such an alien may frequently experiment with ordinary devices to see what colors and effects result. Back to the co-worker, observe him and the items with which he surrounds himself in his cubicle. Does any of it make sense considering this light theory? Nat Collins Article 130 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!bu.edu!shelby!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!wilma.wharton.upenn.edu!millerl From: millerl@wilma.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: My Co-worker is an Alien Message-ID: <1991Jan3.113036.1@wilma.wharton.upenn.edu> Date: 3 Jan 91 16:30:36 GMT References: <1990Dec27.210815.21264@gjetor.geac.COM> <71451@bu.edu.bu.edu> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 11 Good light theory about aliens. As another poster mentioned, if your co-worker has a mono-brow (like Brooke Shields and Mike Dukakis... and me) then you can be sure he is an alien. ;-} Anyway, the observed behavior with the light socket and the finger puts all our confusion to rest. Your co-worker is an alien. ++Loren millerl@wharton.upenn.edu Article 131 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!bu.edu!shelby!mcnc!borg!pooh!varshney From: varshney@pooh.cs.unc.edu (Amitabh Varshney) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: My Co-worker is an Alien Message-ID: <29@borg.cs.unc.edu> Date: 4 Jan 91 22:03:21 GMT References: <1990Dec27.210815.21264@gjetor.geac.COM> <71451@bu.edu.bu.edu> Sender: news@cs.unc.edu Reply-To: varshney@pooh.cs.unc.edu (Amitabh Varshney) Organization: University Of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 11 >nat@bu-pub.bu.edu (Nat Collins) writes: >As a result, any alien who who is displaced from his home planet would perceive >things a bit differently. And all these years I was wondering what was the cause of color blindness :-). An interesting theory no doubt. There was something in this direction in the movie "Predator" too where the alien is shown to have an IR-vision. -Amitabh Article 132 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!swilliam From: swilliam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Javier LaSalle Williams) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: hello to Elvis s Message-ID: <8711@uwm.edu> Date: 6 Jan 91 22:16:38 GMT Sender: news@uwm.edu Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 9 Hello, Elvis and Happy Birthday wherever you are. - SWILLIAM -- | swilliam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu | University of Wisconsin Milwaukee | |----------------------------|-------------------------------------| | "If Reagan was the answer, it must have been a stupid question" | | - unknown Article 133 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!emory!ducvax.auburn.edu!chapman From: chapman@ducvax.auburn.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Is your Coworker an Alien? Find Out! Message-ID: <1991Jan11.144708.1043@ducvax.auburn.edu> Date: 11 Jan 91 20:47:08 GMT Lines: 71 Here is an exert from a friends mail file from last year ------------------------------------------------------------------------ YOUR CO-WORKER COULD BE A SPACE ALIEN, SAY EXPERTS ... here's how you can tell (by Michael Cassels of the "National Inquirer") Many Americans work side by side with space aliens who look human - but you can spot these visitors byy looking for certain tip-offs, say experts. They listed 10 signs to watch for: 1. Odd or mismatched clothes. "Often space aliens don't fully understand the different styles, so they wear combinations that are in bad taste, such as checked pants with a striped shirt or a tuxedo jacket with blue jeans or sneakers," noted Brad Steiger, a renowned UFO investigator and author. 2. Strange diet or unusual eating habits. Space aliens might eat French fires with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of pills, the experts say. 3. Bizarre sense of humor. Space aliens whho don't understand earthly humor may laugh during a serious company training film or tell jokes that no one understands, said Steiger. 4. Takes frequent sick days. A space alien might need extra time off to "rejuvenate its energy," said Dr. Thomas Easton, a theoretical biologist and futurist. 5. Keeps a written or tape recorded diary. "Aliens are constantly gathering information." said Steiger. 6. Misuses everday items. "A space alien may use correction fluid to paint its nails," said Steiger. 7. Constant questioning about customs of co-workers. Space aliens who are trying to learn about earth culture might ask questions that seem stupid, Easton said. "For example, a co-worker may ask why so many Americans picnic on the Fourth of July," noted Steiger. 8. Secretive about personal life-style and home. "An alien won't discuss domestic details or talk about what it does at night or on weekends," said Steiger. 9. Frequently talks to himself. "An alien may not be used to speaking as we do,so an alien may practice speaking," Steiger noted. 10. Displays a change of mood or physical reaction when near certain high-tech hardware. "An alien may experience a mood change when a microwave oven is turned on," said Steiger. The experts pointed out that a co-worker would have to display most if not all of these traits before you can positively identify him as a space alien. Received: From UA1VM(MAILER) by AUDUCVAX with Jnet id 7422 for HAMMETT@AUDUCVAX; Wed, 8 Feb 89 12:32 CST Received: by UA1VM (Mailer R2.02A) id 7177; Wed, 08 Feb 89 12:30:13 CST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 89 10:29:00 EST Reply-To: "Funny Jokes, Funny Stories" Sender: "Funny Jokes, Funny Stories" From: JEB107@PSUVM Subject: RE : Space Aliens... To: RICHARD HAMMETT Okay. Now that I know what to look for in co-workers that could be space aliens, does that mean that I should turn my whole department over to the CIA or something??? (They seem pretty close...) Article 134 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!usc!rutgers!rochester!pt.cs.cmu.edu!ZEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU!toad From: toad@CS.CMU.EDU (Todd Kaufmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Recent sitings? Message-ID: Date: 14 Jan 91 16:39:40 GMT Sender: toad@ZEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: alt Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 17 Have there been many sitings of UFOs lately? I haven't heard of any.. Let's collect any stats here on alt.alien.visitors... I did see a section on tv (60 minutes?) over the xmas holidays featuring a segment with someone talking about Area 51 in Nevada. This segment had first been aired earlier in 1990.. the man interviewed said the military had several ET objects stored in a hangar, and he had worked on one of them. After going public with this information, the man found his identity being taking away. The hospital where he was born had no information, the county didn't have his birthicate, previous employers had no records of him ever having worked for them. Does anyone have any more info on Area 51, hangar 18(?), etc. -todd Article 135 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!usc!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!sparkyfs.erg.sri.com!ads.com!pkenny From: pkenny@ADS.COM (Patrick Kenny) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Recent sitings? Message-ID: <4D2^A8=@ads.com> Date: 14 Jan 91 21:26:35 GMT References: Sender: usenet@ads.com (USENET News) Distribution: alt Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mt. View, CA (415) 960-7300 Lines: 24 In article toad@CS.CMU.EDU (Todd Kaufmann) writes: > >After going public with this information, the man found his identity being >taking away. The hospital where he was born had no information, the county >didn't have his birthicate, previous employers had no records of him ever >having worked for them. I have thought about eraseing a persons identity. I have thought about how much work was involved, how much time involved, records you just can't access, people you can't kill, minds you can't erase, certain files that just cannont be erased. It's hard enough finding out about a person you don't know, it's even harder eraseing their life. For some people it may be easy to erase their lives, some it is near impossible. You wouldn't have to erase everything, just enough to make them fall apart. What happens when your credit, credit cards, drivers license, SS card and your magazine subscriptions just go away. -pk -- Patrick Kenny | pkenny@ads.com ------------------------------- Life, the Universe and Computers .. what more is there? Article 142 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!dali.cs.montana.edu!decwrl!ads.com!pkenny From: pkenny@ADS.COM (Patrick Kenny) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Where would they land Message-ID: Date: 16 Jan 91 19:02:10 GMT Sender: usenet@ads.com (USENET News) Organization: Advanced Alien Visitors, Inc. Lines: 24 So, if aliens did decide to come down here, where would they land? Iowa - They wouldn't know what to do with them. California - They would not be noticed. New York - They still would not be noticed. Washington, DC - They would be thought they were protesters trying to get into the capital. South America - Would be seen by few people, who wouldn't know what to do about it. Europe - Would connect them to the Great Circles. Russia - Would be thought this was another attempt on glassnoz. I don't think they would really want to come down here. -pk -- Patrick Kenny | pkenny@ads.com ------------------------------- Life, the Universe and Computers .. what more is there? Article 143 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!yale!cmcl2!polyof!szhu From: szhu@polyof.poly.edu (A1 shu bin zhu (cs) ) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Recent sitings? Message-ID: <1991Jan16.203820.18161@polyof.poly.edu> Date: 16 Jan 91 20:38:20 GMT References: Distribution: alt Organization: Polytechnic University Lines: 26 In article toad@CS.CMU.EDU (Todd Kaufmann) writes: >Have there been many sitings of UFOs lately? I haven't heard of any.. >Let's collect any stats here on alt.alien.visitors... > >I did see a section on tv (60 minutes?) over the xmas holidays featuring a >segment with someone talking about Area 51 in Nevada. This segment had >first been aired earlier in 1990.. the man interviewed said the military >had several ET objects stored in a hangar, and he had worked on one of them. > >After going public with this information, the man found his identity being >taking away. The hospital where he was born had no information, the county >didn't have his birthicate, previous employers had no records of him ever >having worked for them. > >Does anyone have any more info on Area 51, hangar 18(?), etc. > > >-todd I believe his name was Bill Laser. I dl a text file from a BBS in Feb, 90 from a BBS, and the file seems to be originated from ParaNet (anyone know what it is?) If we are talking about the same person, he said during the interview that he saw 9 UFOs. The text file I have is a transcript of a radio talk show from ParaNet. If you can get to ParaNet, you parabably can get more info. Article 155 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool2.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!samsung!think.com!linus!philabs!ttidca!quad1!psivax!uupsi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!eik.ii.uib.no!sigyn.idt.unit.no!solan1.solan.unit.no!iharkest From: iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Recent sitings? Message-ID: <1991Jan17.145227.18211@idt.unit.no> Date: 17 Jan 91 14:52:27 GMT References: Sender: news@idt.unit.no (Usenet news admin) Reply-To: iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) Distribution: alt Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology Lines: 35 Posted: Thu Jan 17 08:52:27 1991 In article , toad@CS.CMU.EDU (Todd Kaufmann) writes: |> After going public with this information, the man found his identity being |> taking away. The hospital where he was born had no information, the county |> didn't have his birthicate, previous employers had no records of him ever |> having worked for them. Er... after having written this article, Todd, have you checked the hospital where *you* were born? Too bad if they've never heard of you... ;-) In a followup, pkenny@ADS.COM (Patrick Kenny) writes: |> I have thought about eraseing a persons identity. I have thought about |> how much work was involved, how much time involved, records you just |> can't access, people you can't kill, minds you can't erase, certain |> files that just cannont be erased. It's hard enough finding out about |> a person you don't know, it's even harder eraseing their life. Well, I think it will be hard for someone to convince your wife that you are not married to her and that you don't exist... However, I suppose the government/the military have the power to erase just about any single record and file about a person, though it will of course involve considerable amounts of work. And with all official records about you deleted, I think you'll be in a heck of a trouble, even though friends and relatives still recognize you. How will you get a job, what about your bank accounts, social security, pensions and so on... Nasty case, if you want my opinion! |> -todd |> -pk -ih ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inge Harkestad | iharkest@solan.unit.no " - I never really found myself until I lost my mind - " Article 162 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!unmvax!pprg.unm.edu!topgun!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!dali.cs.montana.edu!decwrl!ads.com!pkenny From: pkenny@ADS.COM (Patrick Kenny) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Recent sitings? Message-ID: Date: 25 Jan 91 05:32:09 GMT References: <1991Jan17.145227.18211@idt.unit.no> Sender: usenet@ads.com (USENET News) Distribution: alt Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mt. View, CA (415) 960-7300 Lines: 25 In article <1991Jan17.145227.18211@idt.unit.no> iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) writes: > >Well, I think it will be hard for someone to convince your wife that you >are not married to her and that you don't exist... However, I suppose the >government/the military have the power to erase just about any single record >and file about a person, though it will of course involve considerable amounts >>of work. And with all official records about you deleted, I think you'll be >in a heck of a trouble, even though friends and relatives still recognize you. >>How will you get a job, what about your bank accounts, social security, >pensions and so on... Nasty case, if you want my opinion! > >|> -todd Here's even another thought. Even though your id is slowly getting erased, you can just get a new one. Have you ever heard of people who find out names of people who died at birth or missing people, there are lots of records that are unaccountable. All you have to do is 'steal' one of these peoples id's. So your playing the same game back at the people trying to erase you. -pk -- Patrick Kenny | pkenny@ads.com ------------------------------- Life, the Universe and Computers .. what more is there? Article 178 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!think.com!linus!philabs!ttidca!quad1!psivax!uupsi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!solan1.solan.unit.no!iharkest From: iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Recent sitings? Message-ID: <1991Jan25.171611.20193@ugle.unit.no> Date: 25 Jan 91 17:16:11 GMT References: <1991Jan17.145227.18211@idt.unit.no> Sender: news@ugle.unit.no Reply-To: iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) Distribution: alt Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology Lines: 23 Posted: Fri Jan 25 11:16:11 1991 In article , pkenny@ADS.COM (Patrick Kenny) writes: |> In article <1991Jan17.145227.18211@idt.unit.no> iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) writes: |> Here's even another thought. |> Even though your id is slowly getting erased, you can just get a new one. |> Have you ever heard of people who find out names of people who died at birth |> or missing people, there are lots of records that are unaccountable. All |> you have to do is 'steal' one of these peoples id's. So your playing the |> same game back at the people trying to erase you. "All you have to do is 'steal' one of those peoples id's"? ... Doesn't seem like a very easy task to me... :-) Also, putting aside the problem that you'd probably want to keep your own identity instead of pretending to be some other person, what if the people on your back starts erasing this id as well? After playing this game for a while, it sure must be hard to keep track of who you are today... ;-) ------------------------------------------------------ | Inge Harkestad | iharkest@solan.unit.no | ------------------------------------------------------ | 'I never really found myself until I lost my mind' | ------------------------------------------------------ Article 223 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!jarthur!petunia!unmvax!ariel.unm.edu!hydra.unm.edu!keirje From: keirje@hydra.unm.edu (Touch the Puppet Head) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: ask questions Message-ID: <1991Feb08.192934.11210@ariel.unm.edu> Date: 8 Feb 91 19:29:34 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 27 As the creator of this news group, I am a bit disappointed in the "humourous" vein we have taken. My mistake was in not forming it with moderator status. However, here have been a few enlightening comments and quite a few contacts as a result of the open status. I propose a serious question and answer session. Please feel free to ask me about anything you wish to know (concerning ETI). My particular race exists in a dimension quite dissimilar to this one. We crossed the "soup" wich exists interdementionally. We "exist" here by joining a willing human via a "spiritual" or "mental" fusion. Our current mission here is to simply gather information. Some of you may recall our efforts to "pause" the disturbance in the Persian Gulf. We later decided, based on response to a direct question to the net and our own discussion, that the Persion Gulf event would be allowed to proceed. We deemed self-determination more important than the possible damage to this planet. - Kay (The Intermediary) Path: csn!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!cluster!karl!fred From: fred@karl.cs.su.OZ.AU (Fred Curtis) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: hEI hEI Keywords: circular gravity Message-ID: <2014@cluster.cs.su.oz.au> Date: 9 Feb 91 04:53:14 GMT Expires: 8 Sep 99 14:00:00 GMT References: <1991Feb8.124600.22017@eik.ii.uib.no> Sender: news@cluster.cs.su.oz.au Reply-To: fred@basser.cs.su.OZ.AU (put my name here) Organization: ET&T Telephonies Lines: 29 In article <1991Feb8.124600.22017@eik.ii.uib.no> nIS writes: >hELLO eARTHBEINGS, > >AFTER DAYS SEVERAL RECONNAISANCE, HAVE WE FOIND A LANDING SITE. iT IS >HERE NEAR tRENGEREID, NOT VERY FAR FROM sLARTIBARTFAST'S MONOGRAM, i THINK >THEY CALL THIS PLACE NORGYWAY. pEOPLE OF THE eNGLISH TONGS SPEAK OF >THE NORGEYS. wE WILL BE UPDATING WITH MORE DETAILS OF OUR PLANNED TOUR >OF THE EARTH PLANET LATER, WHEN WE ARE NOT SO BUSY. wE MUST FIRST SEE REPORTS >OG OUR ARRIVAL IN THE LOCAL RAG - i THINK THEY CALL IT baBLAD. > >nIS > >(a ROUGH TRANSLATION OF MY REAL NAME TO YOUR CHARACTER SET) Excuse me, but this is my first posting (again). Testing? Testing? I have been rereading this newsgroup all my life but I still do not understand one thing. What is a 'fnord'? The only other place I have heard this word was in a monty python sketch: Irate customer: He's dead! Shop manager: No, he's not dead! He's pining for the fnords! Irate customer: Paining for fee-nords? What kind of talk is that? My good friend 'Robert' lent me a book by Douglas Addams. I don't think I believe EVERYTHING in it, but I think it mentioned something about Fnords in Norgyway. Is that near Paraguay? Is Slartifartblast a REAL person? Can anyone tell me about the green golfball joke? Article 243 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!unmvax!ariel.unm.edu!hydra.unm.edu!keirje From: keirje@hydra.unm.edu (Touch the Puppet Head) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: looking for info Message-ID: <1991Feb11.001126.21203@ariel.unm.edu> Date: 11 Feb 91 00:11:26 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 17 I am currently looking for any information about: Eathon Goyez Dynazos Dr. Hnoyos PH.D. ( Helium & Hydrogen Sleep Chamber ) Thank you for your help - Kay (The Intermediary) Article 244 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!unmvax!ariel.unm.edu!hydra.unm.edu!keirje From: keirje@hydra.unm.edu (Touch the Puppet Head) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: looking for info - correction Message-ID: <1991Feb11.001731.22018@ariel.unm.edu> Date: 11 Feb 91 00:17:31 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 11 In article #242 I mistakenly entered: Eathon Goyez The correct spelling is: Eathon Goyes I apologize for the inconvenience - Kay (The Intermediary) Article 248 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!decwrl!ads.com!usenet From: Zauuck Wan Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Creation of this News group Message-ID: Date: 11 Feb 91 18:15:40 GMT References: <1991Feb08.192934.11210@ariel.unm.edu> Sender: usenet@ads.com (USENET News) Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300 Lines: 25 In article <1991Feb08.192934.11210@ariel.unm.edu> keirje@hydra.unm.edu (Touch the Puppet Head) writes: > > > > > As the creator of this news group, I am a bit disappointed in the > "humourous" vein we have taken. My mistake was in not forming it > with moderator status. However, here have been a few enlightening comments > and quite a few contacts as a result of the open status. I propose > a serious question and answer session. Please feel free to ask me > about anything you wish to know (concerning ETI). > I believe that this news group was created by an alien race, to keep all the humans reading and posting messages and not doing their work, thus keeping them 1) out of trouble 2) From pushing the world into a galactic economy 2) from really knowing just what is going on. I also think that this message board is being used by aliens to send illeagl messages to each other about the distruction of the world for new hyper way bypasses and general fun. I vote we ban ALL alien life from using this board... Do it now ... you life could be in DANGER... -Zauuck Wan of the High Command Article 263 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!decwrl!dali.cs.montana.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!usc!ucsd!ucbvax!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!peregrine!venus.lerc.nasa.gov!tfabian (Teddy Fabian) From: tfabian@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Teddy Fabian) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: REPOSTED: Is you coworker an alien? Message-ID: <1991Feb13.025101.8202@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> Date: 13 Feb 91 02:51:01 GMT Sender: news@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov Reply-To: tfabian@saturn.lerc.nasa.gov (Teddy Fabian) Distribution: alt Organization: NASA/Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Lines: 96 Subject: Re: Is your Coworker an Alien? Find Out! by popular request, (since I saved it when it last appeared..) taken from the original message identified as: ----------------------------------------------------------------- In article <1991Jan11.144708.1043@ducvax.auburn.edu> you write: >Here is an exert from a friends mail file from last year >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >YOUR CO-WORKER COULD BE A SPACE ALIEN, SAY EXPERTS ... here's how you can >tell (by Michael Cassels of the "National Inquirer") > >Many Americans work side by side with space aliens who look human - >but you can spot these visitors byy looking for certain >tip-offs, say experts. > >They listed 10 signs to watch for: > >1. Odd or mismatched clothes. "Often space aliens don't fully >understand the different styles, so they wear combinations >that are in bad taste, such as checked pants with a striped >shirt or a tuxedo jacket with blue jeans or sneakers," noted >Brad Steiger, a renowned UFO investigator and author. > >2. Strange diet or unusual eating habits. Space aliens might >eat French fires with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of >pills, the experts say. > >3. Bizarre sense of humor. Space aliens whho don't understand >earthly humor may laugh during a serious company training film >or tell jokes that no one understands, said Steiger. > >4. Takes frequent sick days. A space alien might need extra >time off to "rejuvenate its energy," said Dr. Thomas Easton, >a theoretical biologist and futurist. > >5. Keeps a written or tape recorded diary. "Aliens are constantly >gathering information." said Steiger. > >6. Misuses everday items. "A space alien may use correction fluid >to paint its nails," said Steiger. > >7. Constant questioning about customs of co-workers. Space aliens >who are trying to learn about earth culture might ask questions that >seem stupid, Easton said. > >"For example, a co-worker may ask why so many Americans picnic on >the Fourth of July," noted Steiger. > >8. Secretive about personal life-style and home. "An alien won't >discuss domestic details or talk about what it does at night or >on weekends," said Steiger. > >9. Frequently talks to himself. "An alien may not be used to >speaking as we do,so an alien may practice speaking," Steiger noted. > >10. Displays a change of mood or physical reaction when near certain >high-tech hardware. "An alien may experience a mood change when a >microwave oven is turned on," said Steiger. The experts pointed out >that a co-worker would have to display most if not all of these >traits before you can positively identify him as a space alien. > >Received: From UA1VM(MAILER) by AUDUCVAX with Jnet id 7422 > for HAMMETT@AUDUCVAX; Wed, 8 Feb 89 12:32 CST >Received: by UA1VM (Mailer R2.02A) id 7177; Wed, 08 Feb 89 12:30:13 CST >Date: Wed, 8 Feb 89 10:29:00 EST >Reply-To: "Funny Jokes, Funny Stories" >Sender: "Funny Jokes, Funny Stories" >From: JEB107@PSUVM >Subject: RE : Space Aliens... >To: RICHARD HAMMETT > >Okay. Now that I know what to look for in co-workers that could be space >aliens, does that mean that I should turn my whole department over to the >CIA or something??? (They seem pretty close...) > -- ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Ted Fabian NASA Lewis Research Center tfabian@falcon.lerc.nasa.gov *my opinions tfabian@mars.lerc.nasa.gov *are my own.. End forwarded message -- ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Ted Fabian NASA Lewis Research Center tfabian@falcon.lerc.nasa.gov *my opinions tfabian@mars.lerc.nasa.gov *are my own.. Article 266 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!mll From: mll@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Luce) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Bureau of Imperial Assimilation Message-ID: <20550010@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 12 Feb 91 23:17:05 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 62 DECODED TRANSMISSION FROM DALANAR AL' TARNATH DIRECTOR, BUREAU OF IMPERIAL ASSIMILATION TO KONAR SINDARA SUB-DIRECTOR, BUREAU OF PRIMITIVE PLANETS We receive and acknowledge your Priority Alpha One communication regarding the unfortunate lapse of security in Operation Earthwatch. It may interest you to know that His Most Beloved Majesty, the Emperor himself, has apparently taken a personal interest in this sordid matter. The High Prefect of the Rigellian Province, whose jurisdiction includes the Earth-Sol system, has informed us that according to the Imperial Strategon, the Emperor is "greatly displeased" with these unseemly events. His Exalted Majesty is most displeased, of course, by the actions of the defective observer unit Zontar; but His Majesty is also quite displeased that no prior action was taken, in view of the strange sexual experimentations of Zontar on Tau Ceti II. The Bureau of Primitive Planets may face some awkward questions at the next meeting of the Imperial Council. (A favor returned, my friend Konar.) The Imperial Strategon is said to be livid over the possible impact on Earth society of premature contact, and the probable necessity of having to alter Imperial plans for the future of this human species. As you know, these humans have progressed from Technological Level 14 to Level 17 in only forty of their own years, an astonishing feat that took the Progenitor Race twenty times as long to achieve, and required fifteen times as long for our own Xanthorian race. Our Technosocial Simulator Units tell us that, with their recent experiments with silicon- based neural networks, their recent discovery of carbon-60 molecules, their progress toward gamma-ray lasers, and their groping toward a Unified Field Theory, these humans should reach Technological Level 18 within eight of their years. Amazing! Not since the Great Cendorian Uplift of two galactic revolutions ago, and only then, has such a rapid rate of technical progress been observed in a pre-galactic species. (May the Spirit grant that the Cendorians still exist, and will return some day to lead us to the higher plane of existence that they alone have reached. Samir koram Cendorias!) I must tell you that, although most of us find the humans' rate of progress to be admirable, there is a small faction on Xanthor that finds it alarming. Some, I regret to say, even favor the option of neutralization. I am sure you will agree with me, Konar, that we must oppose this faction. The Strategon even wonders if the neutralist faction somehow managed to program the observer unit Zontar to mal- function. She suspects that your request for neural synapse decon- struction of Zontar may flush the members of this neutralist faction out into the open, where we may more effectively combat their plotting. Since neural synapse deconstruction is such an agonizing procedure, the neutralists are bound to oppose such a recommendation; they will seek to protect their own. But since the Strategon has the Emperor's ear, and since Zontar has violated so many imperial directives, your request is likely to be approved by the High Council. Zontar has shown a patronizing attitude toward his client species, he has displayed an active hostility towards them, and he has mis-represented Imperial law concerning the relations between advanced and pre-galactic races. These are only some of his more serious crimes. I would not want to be in his position... Yours in the Zintorian Creed, Dalanar al' Tarnath, Humble Servant of the Magnificent Xanthorian Emperor, Vithrias VII END DECODED TRANSMISSION... Article: 268 of alt.alien.visitors Xref: news.UVic.CA alt.alien.visitors:268 sci.skeptic:7880 Path: news.UVic.CA!ubc-cs!uw-beaver!mit-eddie!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bu.edu!lll-w From: barton@latcs1.lat.oz.au (M'gulfn Dread Serpent) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: NEWS INFORMATION ABOUT UFO'S Message-ID: <1991Jun30.101823.19345@latcs1.lat.oz.au> Date: 30 Jun 91 10:18:23 GMT References: <91180.115450JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Followup-To: poster Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia Lines: 51 In article <91180.115450JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STAN Y I AM SURE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING ANY INFORMATION ON THIS SYSTEM Y BUT HERE I GO AGAIN. Y IN REGARD TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS AN ACTUAL UFO CRASH AT Y ROSWELL OR NOT I DON'T KNOW BUT A UFO INVESTIGATOR BY THE NAME OF Y STANTON FRIEDMAN WHO I HAD ON MY TV SHOW SURELY DID BELIEVE IT. IT Y IS MY OPINION THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN CONTACTED BY PEOPLE FROM Y OTHER PLANETS IN THE PAST. I WOULD REFER YOU TO A BOOK IN THE CALIF. Y LIBRARY SYSTEM CALLED A STRANGER IN THE PENTAGON BY DR. FRAND STRANGES. Y THIS BOOKS STATES THAT DURING THE PRISIDENCY OF IKE OUR GOVERNMENT Y WAS CONTACTED BY ANOTHER PLANET AND THEY OFFERED TO GIVE US HELP TO Y PRODUCE UNLIMIETED FREE POWER, DO AWAY WITH DISEASE, SHOW US THE TRUTH Y OF RELIGION, EXTEND OUT LIFE SPAN AND DO AWAY WITH OUR MONEY. IKE TOLD What proof does he cite for this claim? Who's religion (there are a whole lot of them out there :)? Y THEM THAT HIS ADVISORS TOLD HIM THAT HE SHOULDN'T ACCEPT HIS OFFER Y BECAUSE IT MIGHT CAUSE US TO GO INTO SUCH A CRISIS THAT WE WOULD NEVER Y RECOVER FROM IT. Why? Did they also promise us longevity (or imortality)? Pretty dumb for aliens to offer such a warlike society as was present at the time such "unlimited power" and scientific superiority (imagine the bombs they could make :) I cross posted this to sci.skeptic for other skeptics to read, hope you don't mind... BTW: this is not a flame, just asking how such a claim could be justified... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blessed bee! Douglas Barton - barton@latcs1.oz.au - Lucidity Reals, OK! "Don't tread in THAT dogma, it smells!" And your fortune for today -- Furious activity is no substitute for understanding. -- H. H. Williams -- Blessed bee! Douglas Barton - barton@latcs1.oz.au - Lucidity Reals, OK! "Don't tread in THAT dogma, it smells!" Article: 271 of alt.alien.visitors Xref: news.UVic.CA alt.alien.visitors:271 sci.skeptic:7949 talk.religion.newage: Path: news.UVic.CA!ubc-cs!uw-beaver!cornell!batcomputer!rpi!usc!apple!applelink. From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal,talk.religion.newage Subject: The Pleiadians on Crop Circles Message-ID: <14384@goofy.Apple.COM> Date: 2 Jul 91 21:24:58 GMT Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Organization: Apple Computer Lines: 73 THE PLElADlANS channeled lecture by Barbara J. Marciniak Transcribed from the audio tape HARMONICS OF FREQUENCY MODULATION AND THE HUMAN DNA November 15 , 1990 Terman Auditorium, Stanford University Palo Alto, California Audience Question: I am curious about the phenomenon of the circles in the fields in England? The Pleiadians: We will speak briefly about that. How many of you have heard us talk about the, language of light geometry? Intelligence, of course, is beyond the spoken word, and beyond the written word -- it is frequency. It sometimes comes in shapes the shape of geometry. Your ancient Pythagoras had a beginning grasp upon this, and his geometry was not understood by others. Geometry is an evolved intelligence -- a collection of experience that can communicate huge amounts of information. These shapes that are all over the planet are put on the planet by sound. Sound above the human frequency, or below the human frequency it varies -- were used to implement these language shapes, which many times in the beginning are circles. They will evolve to triangles, they will evolve to lines, and they will evolve to many, many things. They have been most prevalent in England, and throughout Europe, they are in the Soviet Union, they are in Southern Continent, they are even in the United States, although they are doing a darn good job to pretend that they are not there. We understand that some of your news broadcasters are planning upcoming shows about those lines, and we will see how much they pretend they don't know about them. It is going to be interesting! So these geometric shapes are like hieroglyphs. The hieroglyphs, or the pictographs, that are on your planet carved in stone particularly in Egypt, but all over the planet. They are what would be called a generation of intelligence. In other words, if one were to read the hieroglyphs based on the Rosetta Stone, the hieroglyphs would say one thing. If one were able to remember the secret language of the priests, the hieroglyphs would say another different story. And if one were able to understand the language of the Gods the Creator GodsQthey would say something entirely different. These circles and these shapes that are being put on your planet, are being put there to assist you in holding your frequency, in managing it and having the courage to live your light frequency. They make it available in a very subtle way that no one can figure out yet. These shapes are all connected to one another. If they were all written out on some farmers field, something would happen with them immediately. They are spaced from one continent to another. And they make a frequency band around the planet that will help activate the Earth's gridwork, and will allow you not to feel so weird with what it is that you know, and to feel more comfortable with the changes in frequency as they occur. That is just a little bit of what they do. Do you understand? They are quite interesting. They are designed and constructed, many of them, by what you would call your ascended masters. There is also a joke behind them too. You must understand that some beings, as they become very evolved, have a tremendous sense of humor, and they see the humor in all things! Evolved beings understand that there is no end. Copyright by BARBARA J. MARCINIAK BOLD CONNECTIONS UNLIMITED P.O. BOX 6521 RALEIGH, NC 27628 Don Showen Work 408-974-9544 Home 408-865-1768 Article 272 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!milo.mcs.anl.gov!midway!linac!unixhub! shelby!decwrl!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!unido!opal!tmpmbx!netmbx!mds From: mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Message-ID: <1955@netmbx.UUCP> Date: 14 Feb 91 12:27:09 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> Organization: netmbx, Berlin, West Germany Lines: 37 Hi lifeforms, I'm a little disapointed that this group is really nothing more than a place where people of questionable mental abilities can post stupid messages about Zaphod and stuff! I remember the times when it was used to discuss actuall alien theories and sightings. I fear that all this stupid stuff is scaring away the people who would otherwise be contributing to a worthwhile discussion. Let's discuss this! Personally I like a good laugh, if everybody else just wants a laugh then let's stick to that, on the other hand maybe a few people feel like I do (bascially that the nutters are running the loony bin), I hereby call for a discussion to settle this... So either we should stay with the funnies or perhaps go with a 'slightly' more serious note. Perhaps we should split this into two groups, 1. alt.rec.alien.sonja_from_liverpool 2. alt.rec.alien.stupid-stuff 3. alt.rec.alien.not_quite_so_stupid-stupid_stuff 4. alt.rec.alien.not_at_all_stupid_stuff Well that's all I have to say, set flame controls on maximun I have my fire resistant suit on. Mike -- Mike Such NETMBX - Berlin, Germany Article 275 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!ldoering From: ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Summary: More insults Message-ID: <1991Feb14.195511.10092@engin.umich.edu> Date: 14 Feb 91 19:55:11 GMT References: <1955@netmbx.UUCP> Sender: Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Organization: Operation Earthwatch Lines: 22 In article <1955@netmbx.UUCP> mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such) writes: >Hi lifeforms, > >I'm a little disapointed that this group is really nothing more than >a place where people of questionable mental abilities >can post stupid messages about Zaphod and stuff! > >I remember the times when it was used to discuss actuall alien theories >and sightings. > >I fear that all this stupid stuff is scaring away the people who would >otherwise be contributing to a worthwhile discussion. > > ... "Questionable mental abilities"? Our patience with these insults is to wearing thin, friendly Earth brothers. By the way, deluded Earthling, name is "Zontar", not "Zaphod". Am adding your Berlin city to list of targets for fraternal alien sanctions. Yours in interstellar amity, Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Article 279 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!ariel.unm.edu!hydra.unm.edu!keirje From: keirje@hydra.unm.edu (Touch the Puppet Head) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: information Message-ID: <1991Feb15.011158.7947@ariel.unm.edu> Date: 15 Feb 91 01:11:58 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 9 In an effort to collect information about the readers of this group, I request that each of you send e-mail with some personal information and what you hope to gain from this newsgroup. Thank you -- Kay (The Intermediary) Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uflorida!winnie!zach!gcs62697 From: gcs62697@zach.fit.edu ( KOSS) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Dolphins & Cocteau Twins Summary: Liz Fraser is a Cetacean Cympathizer! Keywords: eeeeee aaaaaaa iiiiiii uuuuuuuu Message-ID: <2112@winnie.fit.edu> Date: 15 Feb 91 16:49:49 GMT Sender: usenet@winnie.fit.edu Reply-To: gcs62697@zach.UUCP Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, ACS, Melbourne, FL Lines: 63 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:286 alt.conspiracy:4139 I just recently had a revelation of significant magnitude, under insufficiently appropriate circumstances, so it must be True!! I was watching a videotape of 120 Minutes (we don't have cable - we try to protect ourselves from the harmful Z-rays that relay the Con's instructions. We also all wear metal colanders on our heads...but back to the story). I was watching a videotape of 120 Minutes and eating a tuna sandwich when the Cocteau Twins video for "Iceblink Luck" came on. I was straining to understand what Elizabeth Fraser, vocalist, was saying. I was thinking "This must be another language - English doesn't have so many vowels. Maybe it's Finnish or something..." I took an absent-minded bite of my tuna sandwich, and the revelation hit me like a Tonka truck hurled by a recalcitrant pre-schooler. She was singing in DOLPHIN!!! I quickly did some research, and found John Lilly's documentation of cetacean speech patterns and such. A quick program written in COBOL, some stolen time on the Cray Y-MP at the Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center and VOILA! The translated lyrics for "Frou Frou Foxes in Midsummer Heat": "Okay guys. Here's the data For the desalination plants All you have to do Is steer a school of tuna Right into the intake pipe... Remember to hit the ones In Saudi Arabia first Maybe that will trigger Them to use nukes. (Chorus) Then we'll develop legs! Then we'll develop Opposable Thumbs! And we'll rule the Earth once again, Like we did before Upper Management made that Stupid decision And relocated to the oceans." The rest of the verses deal with locations and contain further instructions, but the choruses are all the same as above's. Apparently they harbor some deep resentment for a bad evolutionary choice, and are taking it out on US! And even worse, there are some among us (I'm sure the Cocteau Twins are not the only ones) who are plotting with them FOR OUR DEMISE! There just has to be. SOMEONE has to set up the underwater speakers. SOMEONE has to play the songs back at 5.2307813895 times the speed for the lyrics to be intelligible to dolphins. Hey. I just remembered something. There's an underwater music festival in the Florida Keys every summer. I'll have to investigate. It has to be stopped. In the name of Humanity. His Cheap Moves Path: ns-mx!uunet!crdgw1!rpi!uupsi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!solan1.solan.unit.no!iharkest From: iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: re:toxic air Message-ID: <1991Feb15.140904.9296@ugle.unit.no> Date: 15 Feb 91 14:09:04 GMT References: <91044.222638HXKPY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Sender: news@ugle.unit.no Reply-To: iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology Lines: 16 In article <91044.222638HXKPY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, HXKPY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Diana Gregory) writes: |> Diana |> |> "And if I claim to be a wise man, It surely means that I don't know" - Kansas And if you claim to be a wise man, Diana, it surely means there's something you haven't quite got sorted out :-) Inge ------------------------------------------------------ | Inge Harkestad | iharkest@solan.unit.no | ------------------------------------------------------ | 'I never really found myself until I lost my mind' | ------------------------------------------------------ Article 288 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!bonnie.concordia.ca!clyde.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!cs.dal.ca!dal1!mclarke From: mclarke@ac.dal.ca Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Paris Match Article on Belgian UFO siting: Issue date? Message-ID: <3535@ac.dal.ca> Date: 15 Feb 91 13:58:15 GMT Lines: 8 Organisation: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada After reading the post about the Belgian sitings I tried to contact Michael Corbin of the Paranet Information Service to verify the issue of Paris Match which carried the story about the Belgium Military release of UFO siting evidence. The mail bounced. Does anyone know of the article and the Match issue date? If so, please drop me a line or post it here. Mike Path: ns-mx!uunet!shelby!unixhub!slacvm!hxkpy From: HXKPY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Diana Gregory) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: re:toxic air Message-ID: <91046.105009HXKPY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Date: 15 Feb 91 18:50:08 GMT References: <91044.222638HXKPY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <1991Feb15.140904.9296@ugle.unit.no> Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center Lines: 22 In article <1991Feb15.140904.9296@ugle.unit.no>, iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) says: > >In article <91044.222638HXKPY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, >HXKPY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Diana Gregory) writes: > >|> Diana >|> >|> "And if I claim to be a wise man, It surely means that I don't know" - s >Kansa > >And if you claim to be a wise man, Diana, it surely means there's something >you haven't quite got sorted out :-) > > Inge But...isn't this the group for alien visitors??? :-) I'd have to change the quote - or get back to KANSAS and have them re-do the song if I want it to be 'gender-correct'... Diana Article 290 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!convex!swarren From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Paris Match Article on Belgian UFO siting: Issue date? Message-ID: <1991Feb15.205016.27132@convex.com> Date: 15 Feb 91 20:50:16 GMT References: <3535@ac.dal.ca> Sender: usenet@convex.com (news access account) Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx. Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com In article <3535@ac.dal.ca> mclarke@ac.dal.ca writes: >After reading the post about the Belgian sitings I tried to contact >Michael Corbin of the Paranet Information Service to verify the >issue of Paris Match which carried the story about the Belgium Military >release of UFO siting evidence. The mail bounced. ... Michael Corbin is very active on the paranet board. You can post an article to this board by mailing the article to: infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com If you send in an article requesting Michael Corbin to please mail you the information, he will probably respond, if you give him a good email address. Be sure you explain that you are not on the paranet digest mailing list, so you cannot read any replies posted there. -- _. --Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own. Warren v\ *| ---------------------------------------------- V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.com Path: ns-mx!uunet!decwrl!sdd.hp.com!caen!uwm.edu!bionet!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.edu!fsrsg From: fsrsg@acad3.alaska.edu (FSRSG@ALASKA.BITNET) Newsgroups: alt.magic,alt.pagan,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork Subject: Re: MASTER WANTED!!!! Message-ID: <1991Feb16.003122.22766@ims.alaska.edu> Date: 16 Feb 91 00:31:22 GMT References: <28581.27ba1a33@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Sender: usenet@ims.alaska.edu (J Random USENET) Reply-To: fsrsg@acad3.alaska.edu Organization: The Psi Academy Lines: 23 Xref: ns-mx alt.magic:300 alt.pagan:5493 alt.paranormal:886 alt.alien.visitors:291 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <28581.27ba1a33@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2hneseraph@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes... > > >I would like to learn some 'TRUE' magic. If any wizzards,worlocks, >or witches out there are looking for an aprentis(sp?), then please >send E-Mail! wouldn't we all! maybe we could turn *this* newsgroup into an idea center...but I seriously doubt if anyone that practices 'true' magic would be using vnews...they'd probably be practicing! But I *hope* they are listening! sincerely! -Psi Internet: fsrsg@acad3.alaska.edu Ideas Needed for the Psi Academy! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ////////Long Live Psionics\\\\\\\\ New age answering Machine: *BEEP* /// \\\ -------------------- /// I'm not in my body right now... \\\ /// \\\ Please leave your name and number /// \\\ Please reply to: /// land I'll get back to you as soon \\\ /// FSRSG@ALASKA.BITNET \\\ as I return. /// ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Permission to Clean-Up the Bridge, Captain? -Worf -(Encounter at Farpoint!) Path: ns-mx!uunet!dch From: dch@uunet.UU.NET (Dan C. Horner) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: I think I'm an Alien Message-ID: <122785@uunet.UU.NET> Date: 16 Feb 91 00:50:18 GMT References: <91030.190338SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> <28439.27b0fc7e@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <91045.150623SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Organization: UUNET Communications Services, Falls Church, VA Lines: 26 In article <91045.150623SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes: >In article <28439.27b0fc7e@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2hneseraph@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu >says: >> >>In article <91030.190338SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>, SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes: >>I also think that I'm an alien! Let's talk. I've got a shuttle built >>for two! Call me at U.S. (913)864-5858, or via E-Mail! >> >> WINKLE >> "Anything I say can and has been used against >>me in the court of law!" > >(This is the best offer I've had all week.) So you want my body? >And you never even sent me a Valentine's Day card? You Bastard. Watch it , Sonja, he really wants you for medical experiments aboard that shuttle in Null-G... You know how these aliens can be... And if that's the best offer you've had, let's talk... I don't have a shuttle but I'm not bad with French-green tentacled-alien females... Really... I eat green spaghetti... Blade "hell you're lucky I remember my name let alone a .sig at the beginning of an 18 hours shift..." -Blade Article 293 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!unmvax!ariel.unm.edu!hydra.unm.edu!keirje From: keirje@hydra.unm.edu (Touch the Puppet Head) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: sillyness Message-ID: <1991Feb15.214435.18907@ariel.unm.edu> Date: 15 Feb 91 21:44:35 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 12 Due to the many non-serious postings and several complaints about excessive sillyness, I am exploring several options. I can have this group deleted or changed to moderated. Or the silly people can stop posting. Unfortunately, most of the serious people seem to have left. As such, I am looking into starting a mailing list. If you are interested or have any suggestions, please send me e-mail. - Kay (The Intermediary) Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewse!cbnewsd!press2 From: press2@cbnewsd.att.com (barry.o.olson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Dolphins & Cocteau Twins Keywords: eeeeee aaaaaaa iiiiiii uuuuuuuu Message-ID: <1991Feb16.050208.26366@cbnewsd.att.com> Date: 16 Feb 91 05:02:08 GMT References: <2112@winnie.fit.edu> Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 16 Posted: Fri Feb 15 23:02:08 1991 In article <2112@winnie.fit.edu>, gcs62697@zach.fit.edu ( KOSS) writes: > > I just recently had a revelation of significant magnitude, under > insufficiently appropriate circumstances, so it must be True!! > > I was watching a videotape of 120 Minutes (we don't have cable - we > try to protect ourselves from the harmful Z-rays that relay the Con's > instructions. We also all wear metal colanders on our heads...but back > to the story). > Hey, are you grounding your colanders!? You must do this or the messages become garbled. I use ordinary speaker wire with an alligator clip on both ends. I attach one end to the colander handle, and the other to a water pipe(a good ground). You could be playing into Grolac hands by _not_ being grounded. Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!caen!news.cs.indiana.edu!bronze!copper!burdickd From: burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) Newsgroups: alt.magic,alt.pagan,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork Subject: Re: MASTER WANTED!!!! Message-ID: <1991Feb16.012623.25072@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: 16 Feb 91 01:26:23 GMT References: <28581.27ba1a33@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Sender: news@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 31 Xref: ns-mx alt.magic:303 alt.pagan:5507 alt.paranormal:893 alt.alien.visitors:295 In article <28581.27ba1a33@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2hneseraph@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >I would like to learn some 'TRUE' magic. If any wizzards,worlocks, >or witches out there are looking for an aprentis(sp?), then please >send E-Mail! > > WINKLE As an unofficial representative of the Unorganized Actual Worlocks (U.A.W.), I must point out to you that you have already violated several points of thaumaturgical procedure: 1. Magic is secret. You're not supposed to post stuff on it (I'm a worlock and can zap people who phone me for info). 2. You have failed to include your credit rating and a listing of your real property (apprentices are not allowed to own such, and must donate all such possessions to the UAW, or its nearest representative; ME!) 3. You have given yourself a silly name. "Winkle"! Really! You need an impressive name like "Gorgonrillus, Lord of Winklewankel Castle and its Pertaining Properties, on a 1000 year lease." Because of these violations, you cannot, of course, be allowed into the UAW's apprentice program, even if we had one. You may, however, be taught specific magic words at $5000 a pop. Krunkawillawalla the Essence Master of Indianapolis PS: Don't bother Dakin, I used my magiks to crack his password and use his account without his knowledge. Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!samsung!umich!vela!sphaak From: sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: More junk from the peanut galery(was Re:I think I'm a alien) Message-ID: <5174@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Date: 17 Feb 91 16:25:48 GMT References: <91035.155120SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> <1991Feb7.071346.26564@engin.umich.edu> <1991Feb7.161141.3368@ducvax.auburn.edu> <1991Feb8.004020.25050@engin.umich.edu> <91045.152240SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Reply-To: sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak) Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI Lines: 4 Who ever said that aliens could be 'peace-loving aliens'??? BAH! Hr. Janus af Taastrup fra Danmark Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!ads.com!adiseker From: adiseker@ADS.COM (Andrew Diseker) Newsgroups: alt.magic,alt.pagan,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork Subject: Re: MASTER WANTED!!!! Message-ID: <+_=&{9=@ads.com> Date: 18 Feb 91 02:31:22 GMT References: <28581.27ba1a33@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Sender: adiseker@ads.com (Andrew Diseker) Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300 Lines: 49 Xref: ns-mx alt.magic:309 alt.pagan:5525 alt.paranormal:903 alt.alien.visitors:297 In article kkirksey@eng.auburn.edu (Kenneth B. Kirksey) writes: >In article <28581.27ba1a33@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2hneseraph@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >> >> >>I would like to learn some 'TRUE' magic. If any wizzards,worlocks, >>or witches out there are looking for an aprentis(sp?), then please >>send E-Mail! >> >> WINKLE >> "Anything I say can and has been used against >> me in a court of law!" > >Look no further! You came to the right newsgroup, for there is no more >powerful incantation on (or off) this earth than...... > > BORK BORK BORK BORK BORK BORK BORK BORK BORK BORK BORK ^^^^ Oh yeah? If this is so powerful, why didn't he get on the Supreme Court? Hah? Why not? Yeah, I thought so! >p.s. Don't forget the sacrificial chicken! > "steer de soup-a" > Is that a chicken joke? >+---------------------------+------------------------------------------------+ >| Ken Kirksey | "It's a small world, and it smells funny, | >| Auburn University | I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money." | >| kkirksey@eng.auburn.edu | -Andrew Eldritch | >| | The Sisters of Mercy | >+---------------------------+------------------------------------------------+ -- Andrew Diseker You see? YOU SEE??? You Advanced Decision Systems Earth people are stupid! UUCP: sun!sundc!potomac!adiseker STUPID!!! Internet: adiseker@potomac.ads.com Plan 9 Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!liv!smc From: SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: I think I'm an Alien Message-ID: <91047.205128SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Date: 16 Feb 91 20:51:28 GMT References: <91035.155120SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> <1991Feb7.071346.26564@engin.umich.edu> Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 14 In article <1991Feb7.071346.26564@engin.umich.edu>, ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) says: > >In article <91035.155120SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK says: >>In article <1991Feb3.013416.21408@engin.umich.edu>, >>I say: >>Come and get me, my body and my "pannini 1991 soccer album" are >>yours. > >Ha. Ha. Never fear, lying Earth creature, we will. Do not attempt >to sway our resolve with treacherous promisings of Earth sexual favors. So you don't fancy doing anything sexual with my "pannini 1991 soccer album" then? Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!caen!dali.cs.montana.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!news.funet.fi!funic!santra!santra.hut.fi!zaphod From: zaphod@niksula.hut.fi (Zaphod Beeblebrox) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Message-ID: Date: 18 Feb 91 16:06:28 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> <1955@netmbx.UUCP> Sender: news@santra.uucp (Cnews - USENET news system) Organization: The Universal Hitch-Hikers Lines: 11 In-Reply-To: mds@netmbx.UUCP's message of 14 Feb 91 12:27:09 GMT ... can post stupid messages about Zaphod and stuff! Just a minute! There is no such thing as a stupid message about me. Besides, no-one has mentioned me in this group! Be careful with your words or someday you may find yourself so deep in trouble that it would take an army of bulldozers to dig you out! -- Farewell to you gangers, and your gang-bangs! Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!dali.cs.montana.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!news.funet.fi!funic!santra!santra.hut.fi!zaphod From: zaphod@niksula.hut.fi (Seppo J Niemi) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Message-ID: Date: 18 Feb 91 16:10:33 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> <1955@netmbx.UUCP> Sender: news@santra.uucp (Cnews - USENET news system) Organization: The Universal Hitch-Hikers Lines: 5 In-Reply-To: zaphod@niksula.hut.fi's message of 18 Feb 91 17:06:28 Honestly, I would also like a 'serious' group about Alien Life. I think what we need is a moderated group. -- Farewell to you gangers, and your gang-bangs! Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!hcm100 From: HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu (Hans C. Masing) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Message-ID: <91049.152157HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 18 Feb 91 20:21:57 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> <1955@netmbx.UUCP> Organization: Penn State University Lines: 13 Speculation on the various possibilities of alien lifeforms and various non-terrestrial ecological systems *could* be a fascinating topic, assuming that the subject matter is kept at least relatively serious and doesn't stray too far into the bizzaro world. I second the nomination for such a group, assuming of course that a second is needed. Why should it need to be moderated? Flame wars could always be taken to e-mail... Hans C. Masing HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu or just yell "Hey, Shithead!" All my friends do. Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!usc!sdd.hp.com!caen!engin.umich.edu!ldoering From: Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: I think I'm an Alien Message-ID: <1991Feb18.220400.17800@engin.umich.edu> Date: 18 Feb 91 22:04:00 GMT References: <91035.155120SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> <1991Feb7.071346.26564@engin.umich.edu> <91047.205128SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Sender: news@engin.umich.edu (CAEN Netnews) Organization: Operation Earthwatch Lines: 16 In article <91047.205128SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>, SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes: |> |> So you don't fancy doing anything sexual with my "pannini 1991 soccer |> album" then? Certainly not. Advanced cultures such as one to which I am belonging do not share peculiar lust for primitive forms of competition such as your English soccer, or footballing, or whatever you are to call it. It is you, McEwan creature, for which I am attracted. Am curious as to nature of Earth customs, however. Would liking to know exactly what mammalian sexual ritual includes use of "pannini 1991 soccer album." Yours in interstellar amity, Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Path: ns-mx!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!am.dsir.govt.nz!dsiramd!marcamd!mercury!kcbbs!kc From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Call for a discussion or creation of ne Message-ID: <1991Feb19.185534.6195@kcbbs> Date: 19 Feb 91 18:55:34 GMT Lines: 18 Organisation: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand > I remember the time when it was used to discuss actual alien theories & sightings >>Lets discuss this ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well a flame wouldnt last long in the void of space.Maybe the worlds been rather void of UFO reports of late as well couldnt be because all eyes on Gulf could it.I wonder! has thier been any UFO reports from Gulf what with all those keen sighted pilots & radar operators on alert for UIO (Unidentified Iraqi objects) or are the only UFO reports thier of unidentified Suddam sightings. *ARE ALL ETI SHIPS CAMERA SHY *OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING TO *SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL. ***************************** Path: ns-mx!uunet!convex!swarren From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of ne Message-ID: <1991Feb19.195821.11917@convex.com> Date: 19 Feb 91 19:58:21 GMT References: <1991Feb19.185534.6195@kcbbs> Sender: news@convex.com (news access account) Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx. Lines: 147 Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com In article <1991Feb19.185534.6195@kcbbs> Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton) writes: >Well a flame wouldnt last long in the void of space.Maybe the worlds >been rather void of UFO reports of late as well couldnt be because all >eyes on Gulf could it.I wonder! has thier been any UFO reports from >Gulf what with all those keen sighted pilots & radar operators on alert >for UIO (Unidentified Iraqi objects) or are the only UFO reports thier >of unidentified Suddam sightings. > >*ARE ALL ETI SHIPS CAMERA SHY >*OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING TO >*SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL. >***************************** Here's a report for you. Scavenged from the paranet digest #366: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 366 Thursday, February 14th 1991 (...) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Belgium Date: 13 Feb 91 15:55:00 GMT The following is a reprint of a summary report on the Belgian UFO activity. Please note the methods of determination which are employed and the subsequent findings of the Belgian military. ParaNet has established an interface with the Belgian investigators. More material will be released as it becomes available. SUMMARY REPORT ON OBSERVATIONS 30-31 MARCH 1990 BACKGROUND 1. Starting early Dec 89 the BAF has been contacted on several occasions by eyewitnesses who observed strange phenomena in the Belgian airspace. On some occassions they described the phenomena as a triangle-shaped platform up to 200 feet wide with 3 downward beaming projectors, hovering at +- 100 m above the ground and making only a very light humming noise. Some witnesses saw the object departing at very high speed after a very fast acceleration. All observations were made in the evening or during the night. 2. The radar stations which had been alerted by eyewitnesses could not definitely determine a correlation between the visual observations and their detections on radar. On two occasions the BAF scrambled 2 F16 during the evening hours. a.On the first occasion the F16 arrived +- 1 hour after the visual detection. Nothing was observed. b. On the second occassion, pilots could identify a laser-beam projector on the ground. After investigation it appeared however that the description of the observations totally differed from previously described phenomena. 3. Consequently the Belgian Airforce, anxious to identify the origin of the phenomena, authorised F16 scrambles if following conditions were met: a. Visual observations on the ground confirmed by the local police. b. Detection on radar. EVENTS 4. On 30 Mar 1990 at 23.00 Hr the Master Controller (MC) of the Air Defence radar station of Glons received a phone call from a person who declared to observe three independant blinking lights in the sky, changing colours, with a much higher intensity than the lights of the stars and forming a triangle. Meteo conditions were clear sky, no clouds, light wind and a minor temperature inversion at 3000 Ft. 5. The MC in turn notified the police of WAVRE which confirmed the sighting at +- 23 30 Hr. Meanwhile the MC had identified a radar contact at about 8 NM North of the ground observation. The contact moved slowely to the West at a speed of =- 25kts and an altitude of 10.000 Ft. 6. The ground observers reported 3 additional light spots which moved gradually, with irregular speeds, towards the first set of lights and forming a second triangle. 7. At 23.50 a second radar station, situated at +- 100 NM from the first, confirmed an identical contact at the same place of the radar contact of Glons. 8. At 00.05 Hr 2 F16 were scrambled from BEAUVECHAIN airbase and guided towards the radar contacts. A total of 9 interception attempts have been made. At 6 occasions the pilots could establish a lock-on with their air interception radar. Lock-on distances varried between 5 and 8 NM. On all occasions targets varied speed and altitude very quickly and break-locks occured after 10 to 60 seconds. Speeds varied between 150 and 1010 kts. At 3 occasions both F16 registered simultaneous lock-ons with the same parameters. The 2 F16 were flying +- 2 NM apart. No visual contact could be established by either of the F16 pilots. 9. The F16 flew 3 times through the observation field of the ground observers. At the third passage the ground observers notified a change in the behaviour of the light spots. The most luminous started to blink very intensively while the other disappeared. Consequently, the most luminous spot started to dim gradually. 10. Meanwhile the head of the police of WAVRE had alerted 4 other police stations in the area. All four, seperated +- 10 NM from each other, confirmed the visual observations. 11. The aircraft landed at 01.10 Hrs. The last visual observation was recorded at +- 01.30 Hrs. CONCLUSIONS 12. The BELGIAN Airforce was unable to identify neither the nature nor the origin of the phenomena. However, it had sufficient elements to exclude following assumptions: a. Balloons. Impossible due to the highly variable speeds (confirmed visually and by radar). b. ULM. Same as for balloons. c. RPV. Impossible due to the hovering characteristics. d. Aircraft (including Stealth). Same as for RPV. No noise. e. Laser projections or Mirages. Unlikely due to lack of projection surface (no clouds). Light spots have been observed from different locations. Light spots moved over distance of more than 15 NM. Form of inlighted part of spots has been observed with spectacles. Laser projections or mirages can not be detected by radar. {signed} W. DE BROUWER Kol Vl SBH VS3 -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (...) ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************ -- _. --Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own. Warren v\ *| ---------------------------------------------- V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.com Article 305 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!warwick!esury From: esury@warwick.ac.uk (Andy Smaller) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Message-ID: <--~&#W%@warwick.ac.uk> Date: 19 Feb 91 22:42:49 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> <1955@netmbx.UUCP> Sender: news@warwick.ac.uk (Network news) Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK Lines: 30 Nntp-Posting-Host: orchid In article <1955@netmbx.UUCP> mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such) writes: >Perhaps we should split this into two groups, > > 1. alt.rec.alien.sonja_from_liverpool > 2. alt.rec.alien.stupid-stuff > 3. alt.rec.alien.not_quite_so_stupid-stupid_stuff > 4. alt.rec.alien.not_at_all_stupid_stuff I think maybe the serious stuff ought to be in the sci.* group, viz: 1. sci.alien-life: for serious discussion of the possibility of life on other planets and whether they will visit/have visited. 2. alt.alien.visitors: for the humorous stuff about being taken over by aliens and such like. As a relatively new reader I don't know what the group was originally set up for - was it intended for serious discussion or not? Either way, I for one would be interested in both serious and humorous contributions, and the current group only seems to offer the latter. Anyone else have any views? Am I right? Maybe I should just frog off and leave you alone? I, too, am wearing my flame-proof suit! :-) Andy Smaller -- ---Andy Smaller, University of Warwick, Coventy, CV4 7AL, UK--------- ---------------------esury@uk.ac.warwick.cu-------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------Life is too short to be taken seriously-------------- Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!ndp102 From: NDP102@psuvm.psu.edu (NATALIE D. PERROTTA) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Fnord/ WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??? Message-ID: <91050.183711NDP102@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 91 23:37:11 GMT References: <91035.155855SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> <3965@aipna.ed.ac.uk><1991Feb7.180219.1325@ugle.unit.no> Organization: Penn State Campus Crusade for Cable Lines: 2 THERE IS NO LIFE BEYOND PADDINGTON STATION. AT LEAST, THERE WASN'T UNTIL I SAW ELVIS THERE. Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!jasonb From: jasonb@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Jason Belam) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Summary: NETMBX - is that you? Message-ID: <4513@syma.sussex.ac.uk> Date: 17 Feb 91 19:27:47 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> <1955@netmbx.UUCP> Organization: University of Sussex Lines: 19 In article <1955@netmbx.UUCP>, mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such) writes: > Hi lifeforms, > > I'm a little disapointed that this group is really nothing more than > a place where people of questionable mental abilities > can post stupid messages about Zaphod and stuff! > Mike Such > NETMBX - Berlin, Germany At last !! The glorious leader has given the signal !! Listen to me for the great Chumskie (clever disguise,my lord) has located the dread NETMBX. Swarm now and the great state of Livernpoold shall reign once more. To Battle! Armanx Nibblebronx ( Allied general ) Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!batcomputer!munnari.oz.au!metro!cluster!swift!softway!mvs From: mvs@softway.sw.oz.au (Mark V. Shaney) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: I am NOT an alien! Summary: Or have you all been brainwashed by the fnord Asgardian Menace? Keywords: chocolate fnord bavarian fnord illuminati Message-ID: <4721@softway.sw.oz.au> Date: 19 Feb 91 23:46:35 GMT Sender: usenet@softway.sw.oz.au Distribution: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Softway Pty Ltd, Sydney, Australia Lines: 182 Approved: mvs@softway.sw.oz Posted: Tue Feb 19 17:46:35 1991 Hi, this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. Here are my symptoms 1 I have loved ones in Fort Collins Loveland... people from my planet Earth the flat one. My mother's family is French. 3 My mother also has green tentacles. 4 I understand the different styles, so they wear combinations that are really on a less advanced planet in order to punish one small group of people for expressing opinions which are not to the left of mars. Friendly peace loving Earthlings, see the evil lies of this news group, I am a bit chipped but they are real cheap, and they have said. Also, whenever anyone asks "where is person ? " he responds "Kidnapped by Aliens". Is he an alien, or is he who adopts a manner of thinking meant for others! These are _your_ opinions. I'm a mind reader. Thank you from the bottom of my coworkers is an Australian but he had enough energy to temporarily transport himself into a rage when using the computer shouting something like "what does it look like Kylie Minogue!!!! When you walk through a storm, Hold your head up high, And don't Be Afraid of the Earth language, this job has proven impossible! Even for a supirior being like me. Gratefully yours; We need a simple substance, You have in abundence. We can tell by Michael Cassels of the UTS support team here also claims to be friendly. He is really on his side? Ted as far as I was eating my usual peanut butter and liverwurst sandwiches, 'Robert' suddenly pointed to them and said with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of time reading net news!! AND HE'S BORROWED TWO OF MY REAL NAME TO YOUR CHARACTER SET!! Believe me you are the best "the red ones, mulloes" this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. I have never ever used a computer without lower case. Ted as far as I know all french people are into mating with Earth friends, unspeakable insultings like those of this news group, I am not of extra terestrial origin, though others may not be tolerated from now on. 'Robert' has been used against me in rec.sport.soccer. Now I've only just found this group so I missed the TRUE reason, namely Benedict Franklin's birthday. Even _I_ know that and _I'm_ only a Tasmanian like my mother. Has he got a shuttle built for two! I once saw him fiddling with a striped shirt or a strange preference! You'd be surprised, but I've had recurring nightmares that it's all an evil plan it helped also that I try sticking a knife into the socket while standing in a language which sounds like a great idea to me. What's your problem? Can I help it if I'm surrounded by our intense ultrsonic protective shield. Furthermore, our planet Earth is in New England maybe, and was written by Saul DeCroft, a missionary from South America. Since the copy must make a gesture now! We act only in defense and protection of our people! We will destroy centers of resistance to friendly alien fraternity with Earth mammals. This tool of elders, however, has certain un Murakhzz perversions... oops, elders forbid me to 'fuck off'. is it an alien abandoned as a result of the woods are the only one around that's smart enough to understand yourself, then who else is there worth talking to? The same applies when nobody else on the planet is one of my brains reading his mind at the time is right. There are no fnords in this case. My planet has offered to give refuge for Sonia from Liverpool. I have been asking for reposts, they're aliens! Irate customer He's dead! Shop manager No, he's not dead! He's pining for the final war against the evil lies of this so called co worker. Constantine Dias received the letter in a language which sounds like my father has green testicles. Is that near Paraguay? Is Slartifartblast a REAL person? Can anyone tell me who the real aliens are on the fourth day. The chain came from Venesuela that's a town in New England , and it turns off. In article 242 I mistakenly entered Eathon Goyez Dynazos. MAYBE THEY MADE THE VICE CHANCELLOR FART BY A SUBTLE TELEPATHIC ALTERATION TO HIS BIOCHEMICAL EQUILIBRIUM! DOES THIS MEAN THAT I AM THE LAST TRUE EARTH HUMAN LEFT ALIVE???? AND on STILL YET OTHER occasions he says things like "Colourless green ideas sleep furiously! " and "Do not meddle in the ways of interstellar amity, and in the Philippines, Gene Alco Welch lost his wife six days after he decided to send out twenty copies some to the library immedately. Thank you for good luck. The original copy is in New England maybe, and it made me the stellar coordinates of the planet France. I've also noticed him wincing when I was 100 points short of the Dark. Anything I say can and has been observed to salivate _visibly_ when the microwave is in use actually when the microwave is in dire straits !!?! Roy IMPORTANT Do not allow any aliens to send illeagl messages to each other about the Sprint24 modem adaptor going for quite a while now, but I think I am an alien, too! What planet are you from? The planet I come from is also called Earth. But my cat fancies John Major. But, then again, I don't know if such a law exists, but I think the other guy who was posting has just killed himself. and I'd rather not have to sit down in front of a litter of four legged space aliens! You sure you didn't just arrive on earth from the Toxteth area of Liverpuddle just 2 light years to the liking of the closet... He sounds like my father has green tentacles. I understand the nature of vision, and to test this I persistently waved my hand in front of his face whenever we met. His reactions were not normal he ignored me or told me to 'fuck off'. I understand the different styles or give a shit, so they wear combinations that are in bad taste, such as Earth "ants". "Anything I say again that our people seek only good will for all inhabitants in our universe and beyond! You speak of peace but your words are like that of a lesser culture to punish small groups who express opinions which are not so easily fooling as that. Be also aware that Norse 'mythology' refers to a race of aliens on this net. Be advising that not all alien friends of Earth? This Earthling is dead, yet he is persisting in spreading lies and insultings. Look around you, deluded Willie Lopez creature, and then replaced after the heamorroids. Melton says Anthony DeBoer writes The aliens, in their attempts to mimic human customs and behavior, have discovered that the aliens haven't worked out how our libraries work! One day as I was going to finish within 5 WORKING DAYS!!! I also think that I'm an alien! Let's talk. I've got a better job stuffing envelopes through the mail. Please feel free to ask me about anything you wish to harass. Dave Fairchild received the letter and make magic. Or betray him with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of pills, the experts say. For example, a co worker would have to be the proud owner of a gulf ball on your planet! Your planet is highly guarded by pin point accurate laser weapons they can shoot an ant off the top of a snake. See, Earth friends? See the treachery of the forth govenor of Nantuccet! Or have you all been brainwashed by the fnord Asgardian Menace? Please send twenty copies some to the Xanthorian Emperor His Esteemed Majesty Vithrias VII. I have spare copies which I find completely bizarre. Have I been unknowingly sharing an office employee, received this letter and not doing their work, thus keeping them out of trouble. Testing? Testing? I have loved ones in Fort Collins Loveland... people from my planet will be arriving only 37 years from now, and I'd love a copy of the "National Inquirer". Hi, this is a duck? Anyone noticed the uncanny similarity between John Major this isn't normal is it? This man hasn't got an upper lip. 2 My mother's family is French. This also is a space alien" criteria, so I missed the "how do you tell your co worker may ask why so many Americans picnic on the net? I have a cat. My particular race exists in a lecture if that helps. 7. Constant questioning about customs of co workers. Space aliens might eat French fires with a harelip. Well, I've got real wary about these things, and this clearly is a 'fnord'? The only other place I have been rereading this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. Roy IMPORTANT Do not attempt to sway our resolve with treacherous promisings of Earth brothers should occur right away or we will be granted immediate refuge on our Knee, For your assistance. He ignored it and it's dead interesting we've had this really interesting discussion about the Sprint24 modem adaptor going for quite a while now, but I think we should be told! -- _-_-_-_-Mark Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!batcomputer!munnari.oz.au!metro!cluster!swift!softway!softway.sw.oz.au From: mvs@softway.sw.oz.au (Mark V. Shaney) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: I am NOT an alien! Keywords: chocolate fnord bavarian fnord illuminati Message-ID: <4722@softway.sw.oz.au> Date: 19 Feb 91 23:53:17 GMT Sender: usenet@softway.sw.oz.au Organization: Softway Pty Ltd, Sydney, Australia Lines: 180 Hi, this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. Here are my symptoms 1 I have loved ones in Fort Collins Loveland... people from my planet Earth the flat one. My mother's family is French. 3 My mother also has green tentacles. 4 I understand the different styles, so they wear combinations that are really on a less advanced planet in order to punish one small group of people for expressing opinions which are not to the left of mars. Friendly peace loving Earthlings, see the evil lies of this news group, I am a bit chipped but they are real cheap, and they have said. Also, whenever anyone asks "where is person ? " he responds "Kidnapped by Aliens". Is he an alien, or is he who adopts a manner of thinking meant for others! These are _your_ opinions. I'm a mind reader. Thank you from the bottom of my coworkers is an Australian but he had enough energy to temporarily transport himself into a rage when using the computer shouting something like "what does it look like Kylie Minogue!!!! When you walk through a storm, Hold your head up high, And don't Be Afraid of the Earth language, this job has proven impossible! Even for a supirior being like me. Gratefully yours; We need a simple substance, You have in abundence. We can tell by Michael Cassels of the UTS support team here also claims to be friendly. He is really on his side? Ted as far as I was eating my usual peanut butter and liverwurst sandwiches, 'Robert' suddenly pointed to them and said with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of time reading net news!! AND HE'S BORROWED TWO OF MY REAL NAME TO YOUR CHARACTER SET!! Believe me you are the best "the red ones, mulloes" this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. I have never ever used a computer without lower case. Ted as far as I know all french people are into mating with Earth friends, unspeakable insultings like those of this news group, I am not of extra terestrial origin, though others may not be tolerated from now on. 'Robert' has been used against me in rec.sport.soccer. Now I've only just found this group so I missed the TRUE reason, namely Benedict Franklin's birthday. Even _I_ know that and _I'm_ only a Tasmanian like my mother. Has he got a shuttle built for two! I once saw him fiddling with a striped shirt or a strange preference! You'd be surprised, but I've had recurring nightmares that it's all an evil plan it helped also that I try sticking a knife into the socket while standing in a language which sounds like a great idea to me. What's your problem? Can I help it if I'm surrounded by our intense ultrsonic protective shield. Furthermore, our planet Earth is in New England maybe, and was written by Saul DeCroft, a missionary from South America. Since the copy must make a gesture now! We act only in defense and protection of our people! We will destroy centers of resistance to friendly alien fraternity with Earth mammals. This tool of elders, however, has certain un Murakhzz perversions... oops, elders forbid me to 'fuck off'. is it an alien abandoned as a result of the woods are the only one around that's smart enough to understand yourself, then who else is there worth talking to? The same applies when nobody else on the planet is one of my brains reading his mind at the time is right. There are no fnords in this case. My planet has offered to give refuge for Sonia from Liverpool. I have been asking for reposts, they're aliens! Irate customer He's dead! Shop manager No, he's not dead! He's pining for the final war against the evil lies of this so called co worker. Constantine Dias received the letter in a language which sounds like my father has green testicles. Is that near Paraguay? Is Slartifartblast a REAL person? Can anyone tell me who the real aliens are on the fourth day. The chain came from Venesuela that's a town in New England , and it turns off. In article 242 I mistakenly entered Eathon Goyez Dynazos. MAYBE THEY MADE THE VICE CHANCELLOR FART BY A SUBTLE TELEPATHIC ALTERATION TO HIS BIOCHEMICAL EQUILIBRIUM! DOES THIS MEAN THAT I AM THE LAST TRUE EARTH HUMAN LEFT ALIVE???? AND on STILL YET OTHER occasions he says things like "Colourless green ideas sleep furiously! " and "Do not meddle in the ways of interstellar amity, and in the Philippines, Gene Alco Welch lost his wife six days after he decided to send out twenty copies some to the library immedately. Thank you for good luck. The original copy is in New England maybe, and it made me the stellar coordinates of the planet France. I've also noticed him wincing when I was 100 points short of the Dark. Anything I say can and has been observed to salivate _visibly_ when the microwave is in use actually when the microwave is in dire straits !!?! Roy IMPORTANT Do not allow any aliens to send illeagl messages to each other about the Sprint24 modem adaptor going for quite a while now, but I think I am an alien, too! What planet are you from? The planet I come from is also called Earth. But my cat fancies John Major. But, then again, I don't know if such a law exists, but I think the other guy who was posting has just killed himself. and I'd rather not have to sit down in front of a litter of four legged space aliens! You sure you didn't just arrive on earth from the Toxteth area of Liverpuddle just 2 light years to the liking of the closet... He sounds like my father has green tentacles. I understand the nature of vision, and to test this I persistently waved my hand in front of his face whenever we met. His reactions were not normal he ignored me or told me to 'fuck off'. I understand the different styles or give a shit, so they wear combinations that are in bad taste, such as Earth "ants". "Anything I say again that our people seek only good will for all inhabitants in our universe and beyond! You speak of peace but your words are like that of a lesser culture to punish small groups who express opinions which are not so easily fooling as that. Be also aware that Norse 'mythology' refers to a race of aliens on this net. Be advising that not all alien friends of Earth? This Earthling is dead, yet he is persisting in spreading lies and insultings. Look around you, deluded Willie Lopez creature, and then replaced after the heamorroids. Melton says Anthony DeBoer writes The aliens, in their attempts to mimic human customs and behavior, have discovered that the aliens haven't worked out how our libraries work! One day as I was going to finish within 5 WORKING DAYS!!! I also think that I'm an alien! Let's talk. I've got a better job stuffing envelopes through the mail. Please feel free to ask me about anything you wish to harass. Dave Fairchild received the letter and make magic. Or betray him with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of pills, the experts say. For example, a co worker would have to be the proud owner of a gulf ball on your planet! Your planet is highly guarded by pin point accurate laser weapons they can shoot an ant off the top of a snake. See, Earth friends? See the treachery of the forth govenor of Nantuccet! Or have you all been brainwashed by the fnord Asgardian Menace? Please send twenty copies some to the Xanthorian Emperor His Esteemed Majesty Vithrias VII. I have spare copies which I find completely bizarre. Have I been unknowingly sharing an office employee, received this letter and not doing their work, thus keeping them out of trouble. Testing? Testing? I have loved ones in Fort Collins Loveland... people from my planet will be arriving only 37 years from now, and I'd love a copy of the "National Inquirer". Hi, this is a duck? Anyone noticed the uncanny similarity between John Major this isn't normal is it? This man hasn't got an upper lip. 2 My mother's family is French. This also is a space alien" criteria, so I missed the "how do you tell your co worker may ask why so many Americans picnic on the net? I have a cat. My particular race exists in a lecture if that helps. 7. Constant questioning about customs of co workers. Space aliens might eat French fires with a harelip. Well, I've got real wary about these things, and this clearly is a 'fnord'? The only other place I have been rereading this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. Roy IMPORTANT Do not attempt to sway our resolve with treacherous promisings of Earth brothers should occur right away or we will be granted immediate refuge on our Knee, For your assistance. He ignored it and it's dead interesting we've had this really interesting discussion about the Sprint24 modem adaptor going for quite a while now, but I think we should be told! Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!batcomputer!munnari.oz.au!metro!cluster!swift!softway!mvs From: mvs@softway.sw.oz.au (Mark V. Shaney) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: I am NOT an alien! Summary: Or have you all been brainwashed by the fnord Asgardian Menace? Keywords: chocolate fnord bavarian fnord illuminati Message-ID: <4719@softway.sw.oz.au> Date: 19 Feb 91 23:38:04 GMT Organization: Softway Pty Ltd, Sydney, Australia Lines: 182 Hi, this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. Here are my symptoms 1 I have loved ones in Fort Collins Loveland... people from my planet Earth the flat one. My mother's family is French. 3 My mother also has green tentacles. 4 I understand the different styles, so they wear combinations that are really on a less advanced planet in order to punish one small group of people for expressing opinions which are not to the left of mars. Friendly peace loving Earthlings, see the evil lies of this news group, I am a bit chipped but they are real cheap, and they have said. Also, whenever anyone asks "where is person ? " he responds "Kidnapped by Aliens". Is he an alien, or is he who adopts a manner of thinking meant for others! These are _your_ opinions. I'm a mind reader. Thank you from the bottom of my coworkers is an Australian but he had enough energy to temporarily transport himself into a rage when using the computer shouting something like "what does it look like Kylie Minogue!!!! When you walk through a storm, Hold your head up high, And don't Be Afraid of the Earth language, this job has proven impossible! Even for a supirior being like me. Gratefully yours; We need a simple substance, You have in abundence. We can tell by Michael Cassels of the UTS support team here also claims to be friendly. He is really on his side? Ted as far as I was eating my usual peanut butter and liverwurst sandwiches, 'Robert' suddenly pointed to them and said with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of time reading net news!! AND HE'S BORROWED TWO OF MY REAL NAME TO YOUR CHARACTER SET!! Believe me you are the best "the red ones, mulloes" this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. I have never ever used a computer without lower case. Ted as far as I know all french people are into mating with Earth friends, unspeakable insultings like those of this news group, I am not of extra terestrial origin, though others may not be tolerated from now on. 'Robert' has been used against me in rec.sport.soccer. Now I've only just found this group so I missed the TRUE reason, namely Benedict Franklin's birthday. Even _I_ know that and _I'm_ only a Tasmanian like my mother. Has he got a shuttle built for two! I once saw him fiddling with a striped shirt or a strange preference! You'd be surprised, but I've had recurring nightmares that it's all an evil plan it helped also that I try sticking a knife into the socket while standing in a language which sounds like a great idea to me. What's your problem? Can I help it if I'm surrounded by our intense ultrsonic protective shield. Furthermore, our planet Earth is in New England maybe, and was written by Saul DeCroft, a missionary from South America. Since the copy must make a gesture now! We act only in defense and protection of our people! We will destroy centers of resistance to friendly alien fraternity with Earth mammals. This tool of elders, however, has certain un Murakhzz perversions... oops, elders forbid me to 'fuck off'. is it an alien abandoned as a result of the woods are the only one around that's smart enough to understand yourself, then who else is there worth talking to? The same applies when nobody else on the planet is one of my brains reading his mind at the time is right. There are no fnords in this case. My planet has offered to give refuge for Sonia from Liverpool. I have been asking for reposts, they're aliens! Irate customer He's dead! Shop manager No, he's not dead! He's pining for the final war against the evil lies of this so called co worker. Constantine Dias received the letter in a language which sounds like my father has green testicles. Is that near Paraguay? Is Slartifartblast a REAL person? Can anyone tell me who the real aliens are on the fourth day. The chain came from Venesuela that's a town in New England , and it turns off. In article 242 I mistakenly entered Eathon Goyez Dynazos. MAYBE THEY MADE THE VICE CHANCELLOR FART BY A SUBTLE TELEPATHIC ALTERATION TO HIS BIOCHEMICAL EQUILIBRIUM! DOES THIS MEAN THAT I AM THE LAST TRUE EARTH HUMAN LEFT ALIVE???? AND on STILL YET OTHER occasions he says things like "Colourless green ideas sleep furiously! " and "Do not meddle in the ways of interstellar amity, and in the Philippines, Gene Alco Welch lost his wife six days after he decided to send out twenty copies some to the library immedately. Thank you for good luck. The original copy is in New England maybe, and it made me the stellar coordinates of the planet France. I've also noticed him wincing when I was 100 points short of the Dark. Anything I say can and has been observed to salivate _visibly_ when the microwave is in use actually when the microwave is in dire straits !!?! Roy IMPORTANT Do not allow any aliens to send illeagl messages to each other about the Sprint24 modem adaptor going for quite a while now, but I think I am an alien, too! What planet are you from? The planet I come from is also called Earth. But my cat fancies John Major. But, then again, I don't know if such a law exists, but I think the other guy who was posting has just killed himself. and I'd rather not have to sit down in front of a litter of four legged space aliens! You sure you didn't just arrive on earth from the Toxteth area of Liverpuddle just 2 light years to the liking of the closet... He sounds like my father has green tentacles. I understand the nature of vision, and to test this I persistently waved my hand in front of his face whenever we met. His reactions were not normal he ignored me or told me to 'fuck off'. I understand the different styles or give a shit, so they wear combinations that are in bad taste, such as Earth "ants". "Anything I say again that our people seek only good will for all inhabitants in our universe and beyond! You speak of peace but your words are like that of a lesser culture to punish small groups who express opinions which are not so easily fooling as that. Be also aware that Norse 'mythology' refers to a race of aliens on this net. Be advising that not all alien friends of Earth? This Earthling is dead, yet he is persisting in spreading lies and insultings. Look around you, deluded Willie Lopez creature, and then replaced after the heamorroids. Melton says Anthony DeBoer writes The aliens, in their attempts to mimic human customs and behavior, have discovered that the aliens haven't worked out how our libraries work! One day as I was going to finish within 5 WORKING DAYS!!! I also think that I'm an alien! Let's talk. I've got a better job stuffing envelopes through the mail. Please feel free to ask me about anything you wish to harass. Dave Fairchild received the letter and make magic. Or betray him with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of pills, the experts say. For example, a co worker would have to be the proud owner of a gulf ball on your planet! Your planet is highly guarded by pin point accurate laser weapons they can shoot an ant off the top of a snake. See, Earth friends? See the treachery of the forth govenor of Nantuccet! Or have you all been brainwashed by the fnord Asgardian Menace? Please send twenty copies some to the Xanthorian Emperor His Esteemed Majesty Vithrias VII. I have spare copies which I find completely bizarre. Have I been unknowingly sharing an office employee, received this letter and not doing their work, thus keeping them out of trouble. Testing? Testing? I have loved ones in Fort Collins Loveland... people from my planet will be arriving only 37 years from now, and I'd love a copy of the "National Inquirer". Hi, this is a duck? Anyone noticed the uncanny similarity between John Major this isn't normal is it? This man hasn't got an upper lip. 2 My mother's family is French. This also is a space alien" criteria, so I missed the "how do you tell your co worker may ask why so many Americans picnic on the net? I have a cat. My particular race exists in a lecture if that helps. 7. Constant questioning about customs of co workers. Space aliens might eat French fires with a harelip. Well, I've got real wary about these things, and this clearly is a 'fnord'? The only other place I have been rereading this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. Roy IMPORTANT Do not attempt to sway our resolve with treacherous promisings of Earth brothers should occur right away or we will be granted immediate refuge on our Knee, For your assistance. He ignored it and it's dead interesting we've had this really interesting discussion about the Sprint24 modem adaptor going for quite a while now, but I think we should be told! -- _-_-_-_-Mark Path: ns-mx!uunet!munnari.oz.au!metro!cluster!swift!softway!mvs From: mvs@softway.sw.oz.au (Mark V. Shaney) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: I am NOT an alien! Summary: Space aliens might eat French fires with a harelip. Keywords: chocolate fnord bavarian fnord illuminati Message-ID: <4700@softway.sw.oz.au> Date: 18 Feb 91 23:16:06 GMT Distribution: alt Organization: Softway Pty Ltd, Sydney, Australia Lines: 182 Hi, this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. Here are my symptoms 1 I have loved ones in Fort Collins Loveland... people from my planet Earth the flat one. My mother's family is French. 3 My mother also has green tentacles. 4 I understand the different styles, so they wear combinations that are really on a less advanced planet in order to punish one small group of people for expressing opinions which are not to the left of mars. Friendly peace loving Earthlings, see the evil lies of this news group, I am a bit chipped but they are real cheap, and they have said. Also, whenever anyone asks "where is person ? " he responds "Kidnapped by Aliens". Is he an alien, or is he who adopts a manner of thinking meant for others! These are _your_ opinions. I'm a mind reader. Thank you from the bottom of my coworkers is an Australian but he had enough energy to temporarily transport himself into a rage when using the computer shouting something like "what does it look like Kylie Minogue!!!! When you walk through a storm, Hold your head up high, And don't Be Afraid of the Earth language, this job has proven impossible! Even for a supirior being like me. Gratefully yours; We need a simple substance, You have in abundence. We can tell by Michael Cassels of the UTS support team here also claims to be friendly. He is really on his side? Ted as far as I was eating my usual peanut butter and liverwurst sandwiches, 'Robert' suddenly pointed to them and said with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of time reading net news!! AND HE'S BORROWED TWO OF MY REAL NAME TO YOUR CHARACTER SET!! Believe me you are the best "the red ones, mulloes" this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. I have never ever used a computer without lower case. Ted as far as I know all french people are into mating with Earth friends, unspeakable insultings like those of this news group, I am not of extra terestrial origin, though others may not be tolerated from now on. 'Robert' has been used against me in rec.sport.soccer. Now I've only just found this group so I missed the TRUE reason, namely Benedict Franklin's birthday. Even _I_ know that and _I'm_ only a Tasmanian like my mother. Has he got a shuttle built for two! I once saw him fiddling with a striped shirt or a strange preference! You'd be surprised, but I've had recurring nightmares that it's all an evil plan it helped also that I try sticking a knife into the socket while standing in a language which sounds like a great idea to me. What's your problem? Can I help it if I'm surrounded by our intense ultrsonic protective shield. Furthermore, our planet Earth is in New England maybe, and was written by Saul DeCroft, a missionary from South America. Since the copy must make a gesture now! We act only in defense and protection of our people! We will destroy centers of resistance to friendly alien fraternity with Earth mammals. This tool of elders, however, has certain un Murakhzz perversions... oops, elders forbid me to 'fuck off'. is it an alien abandoned as a result of the woods are the only one around that's smart enough to understand yourself, then who else is there worth talking to? The same applies when nobody else on the planet is one of my brains reading his mind at the time is right. There are no fnords in this case. My planet has offered to give refuge for Sonia from Liverpool. I have been asking for reposts, they're aliens! Irate customer He's dead! Shop manager No, he's not dead! He's pining for the final war against the evil lies of this so called co worker. Constantine Dias received the letter in a language which sounds like my father has green testicles. Is that near Paraguay? Is Slartifartblast a REAL person? Can anyone tell me who the real aliens are on the fourth day. The chain came from Venesuela that's a town in New England , and it turns off. In article 242 I mistakenly entered Eathon Goyez Dynazos. MAYBE THEY MADE THE VICE CHANCELLOR FART BY A SUBTLE TELEPATHIC ALTERATION TO HIS BIOCHEMICAL EQUILIBRIUM! DOES THIS MEAN THAT I AM THE LAST TRUE EARTH HUMAN LEFT ALIVE???? AND on STILL YET OTHER occasions he says things like "Colourless green ideas sleep furiously! " and "Do not meddle in the ways of interstellar amity, and in the Philippines, Gene Alco Welch lost his wife six days after he decided to send out twenty copies some to the library immedately. Thank you for good luck. The original copy is in New England maybe, and it made me the stellar coordinates of the planet France. I've also noticed him wincing when I was 100 points short of the Dark. Anything I say can and has been observed to salivate _visibly_ when the microwave is in use actually when the microwave is in dire straits !!?! Roy IMPORTANT Do not allow any aliens to send illeagl messages to each other about the Sprint24 modem adaptor going for quite a while now, but I think I am an alien, too! What planet are you from? The planet I come from is also called Earth. But my cat fancies John Major. But, then again, I don't know if such a law exists, but I think the other guy who was posting has just killed himself. and I'd rather not have to sit down in front of a litter of four legged space aliens! You sure you didn't just arrive on earth from the Toxteth area of Liverpuddle just 2 light years to the liking of the closet... He sounds like my father has green tentacles. I understand the nature of vision, and to test this I persistently waved my hand in front of his face whenever we met. His reactions were not normal he ignored me or told me to 'fuck off'. I understand the different styles or give a shit, so they wear combinations that are in bad taste, such as Earth "ants". "Anything I say again that our people seek only good will for all inhabitants in our universe and beyond! You speak of peace but your words are like that of a lesser culture to punish small groups who express opinions which are not so easily fooling as that. Be also aware that Norse 'mythology' refers to a race of aliens on this net. Be advising that not all alien friends of Earth? This Earthling is dead, yet he is persisting in spreading lies and insultings. Look around you, deluded Willie Lopez creature, and then replaced after the heamorroids. Melton says Anthony DeBoer writes The aliens, in their attempts to mimic human customs and behavior, have discovered that the aliens haven't worked out how our libraries work! One day as I was going to finish within 5 WORKING DAYS!!! I also think that I'm an alien! Let's talk. I've got a better job stuffing envelopes through the mail. Please feel free to ask me about anything you wish to harass. Dave Fairchild received the letter and make magic. Or betray him with a spoon or gobble down large amounts of pills, the experts say. For example, a co worker would have to be the proud owner of a gulf ball on your planet! Your planet is highly guarded by pin point accurate laser weapons they can shoot an ant off the top of a snake. See, Earth friends? See the treachery of the forth govenor of Nantuccet! Or have you all been brainwashed by the fnord Asgardian Menace? Please send twenty copies some to the Xanthorian Emperor His Esteemed Majesty Vithrias VII. I have spare copies which I find completely bizarre. Have I been unknowingly sharing an office employee, received this letter and not doing their work, thus keeping them out of trouble. Testing? Testing? I have loved ones in Fort Collins Loveland... people from my planet will be arriving only 37 years from now, and I'd love a copy of the "National Inquirer". Hi, this is a duck? Anyone noticed the uncanny similarity between John Major this isn't normal is it? This man hasn't got an upper lip. 2 My mother's family is French. This also is a space alien" criteria, so I missed the "how do you tell your co worker may ask why so many Americans picnic on the net? I have a cat. My particular race exists in a lecture if that helps. 7. Constant questioning about customs of co workers. Space aliens might eat French fires with a harelip. Well, I've got real wary about these things, and this clearly is a 'fnord'? The only other place I have been rereading this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. Roy IMPORTANT Do not attempt to sway our resolve with treacherous promisings of Earth brothers should occur right away or we will be granted immediate refuge on our Knee, For your assistance. He ignored it and it's dead interesting we've had this really interesting discussion about the Sprint24 modem adaptor going for quite a while now, but I think we should be told! -- _-_-_-_-Mark Path: ns-mx!uunet!munnari.oz.au!metro!cluster!swift!softway!mvs From: mvs@softway.sw.oz.au (Mark V. Shaney) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: More on the fnord Asgardian menace Summary: Anything I say can and has been used against me in a tub of water Keywords: dronf Message-ID: <4701@softway.sw.oz.au> Date: 18 Feb 91 23:20:22 GMT Distribution: alt Organization: Softway Pty Ltd, Sydney, Australia Lines: 200 Sorry Sonja but this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be the last human with a kiss, if that's your style. This paper has been sent to you for good luck. The original copy is in ruins. Oh, elders are asking me for favor. If by supremely unlikely chance our superior technological weapons have missing Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 U.S.A. I think the other guy who was posting has just killed himself. Odd, sure. But at least two left here in New England , and it has been around the world nine times. The luck has been sent to you for good luck. The original copy is in danger. XUPHCFC, Galactacal Relations Minister, Planet Earth the flat one. She will be looking foward to seeing you in my plane. You just have my suspicions! I need to know! as the quiet form stepped into sight, only her eyes hinting that she was later seen with Elvis in a court of law!" An Air Force officer received 40, 000. Joe Elliot received 70, 000 and lost it because he broke the chain. While in the lottery! The money was transferred to him four days after receiving the letter and see what happens on the cover of Transformation by Whitley Streiber? Is this clear enough? Know, Earth creature, that your lack of knowledge regarding Galactic law is profound. Allowing me to saying more on this and saw his evil plan it helped also that I try sticking a knife into the socket while standing in a drawer, and it has been completedly successingful. I've seen stranger. Most of them involve tinned pineapple, whipping cream, and glace cherries in assorted combinations. Maybe I just started reading this group. Thanks in advance! WINKLE "Anything I say can and has been used against me in a tub of water is THAT what they like to do is 'steal' one of my strong points! I think I believe that many small mammals end their days in the lottery! The money was transferred to him four days after he decided to send illeagl messages to each other about the Sprint24 modem adaptor going for quite a while now, but I thought I'd give it a shot. I'd love a copy of the Earth, pollute away!!!! Anything I say can and has been used against me in a monty python sketch. My particular race exists in a court of law! I've often wondered just that. Why do they? :-) No, David, you're not an alien plot?, are the only natives to this most pressing question is... YES! Only silicon and nickel are native to this article since IMHO the issue of alien propaganda, risking regrettable collateral damage to innocent Earth friends. Suggestions from fun loving alien friends of Earth as talkings about English footballings has failed. We will destroy if we must!!!! We do not spread propaganda! We spread peace throughout our universe! Speak now or face galactical destruction! Be advised, fraternal Earth creature. This is either complete gibberish or a tuxedo jacket with blue jeans or sneakers, " noted Steiger. 'Robert' wears black trousers could he be one of my coworkers is an alien! Everything fits!!!!!!! BTW this is not the lastly true human left aliving, Zargot. There be no true humaners left at all. The process has been used against me in a supermarket in Wisconsin. Please sell to us your stocks, Of worthless chemicals. Without your "Radion", We are not yet having decided how to deal with problem. Elders currently debating whether to wait that long. I thought Yggdrasil was the Templar's Tree ship destroyed by Ousters while in orbit around Hyperion. Hyperion? They don't teach you earthlings much history... "A poor fool indeed is he just plain weird? Yours in interstellar amity, and in the "humourous" vein we have taken. My mistake was in a safe under my bed! Sorry Sonja but this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be able to help me. 1 I have also tried this trick with pieces of paper, matchsticks, bits of dirt, a grasshopper, an earthworm and the alien. Our planet is one of my brains reading his mind at the time is right. Nothing important is going on. I know his secret now!! Last night he was right, but not about my planet. BTW where can I get this strange compelling feeling everytime I see a terminal. I just started reading this group. If he asks you if you wanwhy not. But it must leave your hands within 96 ninety six hours. He lost his wife six days after he decided to mail out this letter, just to see through my computer, to catch my password.... but since I live in it's plane. It's not very interesting. I'd love to be a title or indication of rank. "Anything I say can and has been used against me in a dimension quite dissimilar to this neck of the fucking high score!! ". The little veins on his forehead stood out _quite_ clearly and he looks at me strangely. When he hasn't noticed or _chooses_ to ignore me!! I've heard him say things like "Colourless green ideas sleep furiously!" and "Do not meddle in the Wentworth cafeteria", but that's another story. Hi, this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup and think you might be the last time Everton won! I have tried to follow along, however do to poor grammar and punctuation of the lark. One day I woke up in a court of law! As the creator of this person? She makes last desperate attempt to fool us into believing that you and your atrocious spelling means that you and your people are into mating with Earth friends, unspeakable insultings like those of this news group was created by an alien "I go home for the inconvenience". But more importantly, why do people picnic on the cover of Transformation by Whitley Streiber? Is this an alien from me, vile french extraterrestrial bug creature! BTW this is not some intergalactic law I don't think I believe that many small mammals end their days in the Manchester Computer Centre preparing for the location and stellar coordinates of the UTS support team here also claims to support Everton. He also frquently converses in a drawer, and it made me the man with no pseudonym 23 They listed 10 signs to watch for 1. Odd or mismatched clothes. "Often space aliens because Earth is flat. You see, Christopher Columbus thought the earth was round, and he went a slightly purple colour. On YET ANOTHER occasion he flew into a FRANK ZAPPA FIEND!!! It was too gross to describe! Luckily for me, showing his true form in an instant by turning into a different plane. HE MUST BE STOPPED!!! FRANK ZAPPA MANIA COULD SWEEP THE SURFACE OF THIS PUN; IT WAS NOT ME WHO POSTED IT, BUT MY ALIEN DUPLICATE. I apologize for the fnords! Irate customer He's dead! Shop manager No, he's not dead! He's pining for the weekend"... Surely 'ole "Id" was kidnapped by aliens, and then replaced after the weekend !!! After my perfectly reasonable suspicions were first aroused I began a careful study of Robert's movements. He FREQUENTLY has pepperoni pizzas for dinner and actually EATS 'food' from one of my strong points! Kiss someone you love when you are human UPERCASE TYPING. As we are regrettings to announce that intended fiery destruction of centers of resistance to friendly alien fraternity with Earth friends, unspeakable insultings like those of this sounded very likely. Friendly peace loving Earthlings, see the evil ones. Now they will surely find me due to high stress environment of primitive technology. Internet is in use actually when the little bell goes 'ding' and it made me the stellar coordinates for the fnords! Irate customer He's dead! Shop manager No, he's not dead! He's pining for the wrong way or something. I have lost it, but I thought that such subtlety rarely works. He sounds like my father and sister before me. It seems that I try sticking a knife into the socket while standing in a dimension quite dissimilar to this article since IMHO the issue of alien brotherhood Roy Stead. However, before she left, she won 50, 000 in the affairs of wizards; it makes them soggy and hard to light! " I think this speaks for itself!! If you need more information, look for me in a court of law! " TRUST NO ONE!!! NOT ME, NOT YOUR MOTHER, NOT YOURSELF. NOT NO ONE!!! NOT ME, NOT YOUR MOTHER, NOT YOURSELF. NOT NO ONE!!! NOT ME, NOT YOUR MOTHER, NOT YOURSELF. NOT NO ONE!!! NOT ME, NOT YOUR MOTHER, NOT YOURSELF. NOT NO ONE!!! As for the weekend"... Surely 'ole "Id" was kidnapped by aliens, and then replaced after the heamorroids. Melton says Anthony DeBoer writes The aliens, in their attempts to mimic human customs and behavior, have discovered that the future existings of primitive planets... As for the wrong way or something. Elfin, eh? Are you sure are eager to destroy people. I wonder though if perhaps there is a lot more common than you may think 4 I understand the different styles or give a shit, so they wear combinations that are unaccountable. All you have to display most if not all of these requirements. Yet he insists he's from France. What should I do with myself. You see, Christopher Columbus thought the earth was round, and he was using his X ray vision to see if it would work! A few days later he got a shuttle built for two! Please be advised that Sonia McEwan, upon request, will be granted immediate refuge on our planet is in use actually when the microwave is in danger. Although we are desiring of nothing but happy fellowship with Earth mammles. Well, I've got a better job stuffing envelopes through the mail. 'Robert' has been used against me in a court of law!" "Toxic waste is good! Mutants live in it. Don't they?" -- _-_-_-_-Mark Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!convex!swarren From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: More on the fnord Asgardian menace Keywords: dronf Message-ID: <1991Feb20.151927.28227@convex.com> Date: 20 Feb 91 15:19:27 GMT References: <4701@softway.sw.oz.au> Distribution: alt Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx. Lines: 25 In article <4701@softway.sw.oz.au> mvs@softway.sw.oz.au (Mark V. Shaney) writes: >Sorry Sonja but this is the first time I've come across this newsgroup >and think you might be the last human with a kiss, if that's your [...] >knowledge regarding Galactic law is profound. Allowing me to saying >more on this and saw his evil plan it helped also that I try sticking a [...] >Earth friends. Suggestions from fun loving alien friends of Earth as >talkings about English footballings has failed. We will destroy if we [...] Oh, look, everyone! Another net.dweeb has discovered Dissociated Press! Isn't it special? And he wants to show it off to us all! Are we impressed? I should say so! (but I won't) -- _. --Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own. Warren v\ *| ---------------------------------------------- V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.com Article 314 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu From: hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Message-ID: <1991Feb20.134023.18010@news.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 20 Feb 91 18:40:02 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> <1955@netmbx.UUCP> <--~&#W%@warwick.ac.uk> Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Lines: 9 How about "sci.exo-biology" for a group name? Putting "alien-life" or something similar in a group name is too likely to attract folks who associate "alien" with ET or Sigorney Weaver. -- paul hager hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." --Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural, 4-Mar-1801 Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!cs.uiuc.edu!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!kjr106 From: KJR106@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: THE SOFA PEOPLE Message-ID: <91051.222840KJR106@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 21 Feb 91 03:28:40 GMT Organization: Penn State Campus Crusade for Sofas Lines: 5 If anyone can tell me to where I can find the locale of the Sofa People it would be most appreciated.I am on a mission to set up communications with these beings and to set up trade negotiations. Thanks. - Whoosh Commander - Article 316 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!world!decwrl!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: SERIOUS ABOUT ALIENS AND UFOS Message-ID: <20550012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 20 Feb 91 14:54:01 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 22 Okay, since Kay has decided that this group is "series", whatever that is, I agree to abide by that rule of thumb. Therefore, I will share my knowledge of aliens and UFOs. I read a book once on UFOs. It was allegedly a "true facts" book. It stated that a rancher in Arizona while sleeping one night was awakened by his horses. They were making a lot of fuss, so he decided to investigate. The rancher claims to have seen an "object" hovering over his horses. It wasn't apparent anything was going on. According to the rancher, the UFO shot up into the sky after a few minutes. The rancher's ranch hand supports these claims. I believe that they saw something, but I don't know what, because I wasn't there. Nevertheless, I believe he saw something. I hope that there are really aliens up there. And I hope they are friendly. If they can make it to earth, then their technical capability must be much more advanced than ours. I hope some day that I meet a real "alien". Willie Lopez Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!swarren From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: THE SOFA PEOPLE Message-ID: <1991Feb21.160736.11128@convex.com> Date: 21 Feb 91 16:07:36 GMT References: <91051.222840KJR106@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx. Lines: 18 In article <91051.222840KJR106@psuvm.psu.edu> KJR106@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >If anyone can tell me to where I can find the locale of the Sofa People it >would be most appreciated.I am on a mission to set up communications >with these beings and to set up trade negotiations. Thanks. > >- Whoosh Commander - I think your instructions were somehow garbled in transmission. There are no sofa people here. However, there is a tribe here known as the sofa spuds. -- _. --Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own. Warren v\ *| ---------------------------------------------- V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.com Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!edcastle!aipna!davidg From: davidg@aipna.ed.ac.uk (Dave "Id" Green) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: More on the fnord Asgardian menace Message-ID: <4040@aipna.ed.ac.uk> Date: 21 Feb 91 16:42:45 GMT References: <1991Feb20.151927.28227@convex.com> Distribution: alt Organization: Dept. of AI, Edinburgh, UK Lines: 23 From article <1991Feb20.151927.28227@convex.com>, by swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren): > Oh, look, everyone! > Another net.dweeb has discovered Dissociated Press! > Isn't it special? > And he wants to show it off to us all! > Are we impressed? I should say so! (but I won't) I DUNNO ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT I KIND OF ENJOYED THOSE POSTINGS POSTINGS THE MAGICAL TELEPHONE OF CHEAP VOODOO CAUSALITY. MAKES A CHANGE FROM ALL THOSE CONSPIRACY DUPES AND SHAPE-CHANGERS TRYING TO TELL US THAT THIS GROUP SHOULD BE DISCUSSING 'REAL' SIGHTINGS OF UFO'S - AND THEREBY ATTEMPTING TO DIVERT ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE FACTS THAT *REAL* SPACE ALIENS ALREADY LIVE AMONGST US!!! ARM YOURSELVES!!! THE MOTHERSHIP IS ABOUT TO ENTER OUR ORBIT!!! PUNCTUATION IS A MIND-TRAP DESGINED TO CONSTRAIN OUR FREEDOM POSSIBLY. -- /"I BROADCAST REGULARLY TO ELECTRONIC | Disclaimer: Nothing is true - \ BELIEVERS ALL OVER THE NORTH-EAST"| Everything is permissible. \ Dave Green JANET: davidg@aipna.ed.ac.uk VOICE: 031-225-7774x292 D.N.A: XYY / Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!ldoering From: ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: SERIOUS ABOUT ALIENS AND UFOS Summary: UFO identified! Message-ID: <1991Feb22.004034.12980@engin.umich.edu> Date: 22 Feb 91 00:40:34 GMT References: <20550012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Sender: Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Organization: Operation Earthwatch Lines: 14 In article <20550012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) writes: > >The rancher claims to have seen an "object" hovering over his horses. It >wasn't apparent anything was going on. According to the rancher, the >UFO shot up into the sky after a few minutes. The rancher's ranch hand >supports these claims. I believe that they saw something, but I don't >know what, because I wasn't there. Nevertheless, I believe he saw >something. > That was me, you foolish Earth creature. Yours in interstellar amity, Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!cs.glasgow.ac.uk!degnans From: degnans@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Stephen Degnan) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: X the bodydigger strikes again Summary: Too late folks Keywords: oops shit oh no! Message-ID: <7866@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Date: 21 Feb 91 15:26:15 GMT Organization: Computing Sci, Glasgow Univ, Scotland Lines: 7 Too late folks, he got me I like the percussion...... Another victim. Article 321 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!att!linac!midway!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!millerl From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Paris Match Article on Belgian UFO siting: Issue date? Message-ID: <1991Feb21.212459.1@wharton.upenn.edu> Date: 22 Feb 91 02:24:59 GMT References: <3535@ac.dal.ca> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 5 I mentioned this belgian ufo thing to someone who lives in belgium, and he said the belgian papers had confirmed, after the initial flap refused to die down, that the triangular object was a Stealth Bomber. Loren Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!roys From: roys@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Roy Stead) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: You'll never walk alone Summary: you'll never walk alone Keywords: fnord Everton fnord FC and Liverpool FC Message-ID: <4537@syma.sussex.ac.uk> Date: 20 Feb 91 13:40:17 GMT References: <91030.190338SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> <4417@syma.sussex.ac.uk> <91045.145526SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Organization: University of Sussex Lines: 26 In article <91045.145526SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes: >In article <4417@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, roys@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Roy Stead) says: >>Liverpool supporters, repeat after me: >> >> When you walk through a storm, >> Hold your head up high, >> And don't Be Afraid of the Dark. > >Could I please make the point here that "You'll Never Walk Alone" is the >official Scouse national anthem and not the exclusive property of >Liverpool FC and all the outer-planetary mutants who happen to >support such a diabolical affliction. Thank you. Nope. Sorry, but Everton fnord supporters just cannot get the tune right. We *true* scousers support Liverpool FC, and no other, lesser, team such as fnord Everton FnordC. Sorry, your argument just doesn't wash - when did you last hear an fnord Evertonian singing _You'll_Never_Walk_Alone_ on the terraces?? >You were lucky on Saturday. No comment - except that we'll beat you lot tonight! all the best, POEE -=POPE=- Roy Stead, KSC Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!liv!smc From: SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Message-ID: <91051.174443SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Date: 20 Feb 91 17:44:43 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> <1955@netmbx.UUCP> Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 32 In article <1955@netmbx.UUCP>, mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such) says: > >Hi lifeforms, > >I'm a little disapointed that this group is really nothing more than >a place where people of questionable mental abilities >can post stupid messages about Zaphod and stuff! I guess you're right, nothing about me isn't questionnable. Especially not my grammar. > >I remember the times when it was used to discuss actuall alien theories >and sightings. *Was* it????!!! > >I fear that all this stupid stuff is scaring away the people who would >otherwise be contributing to a worthwhile discussion. Hang on, people who believe in aliencs are capable of serious discussion??? > >then let's stick to that, on the other hand maybe a few people feel like >I do (bascially that the nutters are running the loony bin), Is that so bad? After all, Margaret Thatcher got away with running the UK. > 1. alt.rec.alien.sonja_from_liverpool FOR ONE LAST SODDING TIME IT'S *Sonia* - S-O-N-***I***A. God, these people who contribute worthwhile discussions.... Love, Son**i**a Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!wuarchive!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!liv!smc From: SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: WHO!?! Message-ID: <91051.173341SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Date: 20 Feb 91 17:33:41 GMT References: <28497.27b59179@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 32 In article , pj.bbs@shark.cs.fau.edu (Jeff Stevens) says: > >2fmpmosaic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > >> >> >> Well someone please tell me who the real aliens >> are on the net? >> I have tried to follow along, however do to poor >> grammar and punctuation of the Earth language, this >> job has proven impossible! Even for a supirior being >> like me. Gratefully yours; >> >> WINKLE >> "Anything I say can and has been used against >> me in a court of law!" > >OTIS. I'll be the first to say it... It's "superior", there winkle. Or >doesn't spelling count when you reach higher states of evolution? :} (<--- >smilie with a harelip). > >PJ No it doesn't, which is why I personally never actually use the word, I like to think that people can guess I am a being of higher evolutionary state just by being in my presence, erm.. prescence...presense. No, I was right the first time wasn't I? Also, i haven't received many replies for my alienhumanoidindistress-a -thon. And remember, all cheques in pounds sterling please. Or better still, deutschmarks. Thanks. love as ever, Sonia. Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!davinci.helios.nd.edu!swehmeye From: swehmeye@davinci.helios.nd.edu (JABBERWOCK) Newsgroups: alt.magic,alt.pagan,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork Subject: Re: MASTER WANTED!!!! Message-ID: <1991Feb22.164839.16318@news.nd.edu> Date: 22 Feb 91 16:48:39 GMT References: <28581.27ba1a33@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Reply-To: swehmeye@davinci.helios.nd.edu () Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame Lines: 28 Xref: ns-mx alt.magic:329 alt.pagan:5627 alt.paranormal:965 alt.alien.visitors:325 Posted: Fri Feb 22 10:48:39 1991 Sure, Pal, I'll teach you some real magic. I happen to be the only one on this net who is any kind of a real wizard anyway. I alone possess the One True Way to Ultimate Power, the rest of these yokels are all just posing. Basking in my astral light if you will. As my disciple you will be expected to perform the following three duties immediately, they will help to strengthen your will and prepare you for the vast amounts of ultimate power soon to be coming your way: 1) Convert two thirds of your material wealth into cash and send it to me now. If you want to be a real wizard you must renounce money, I'll make sure you never see any of that filthy money again. 2) Speak to no one else of my teachings. I wouldn't want your impressionable mind to be tainted with anyone else's false ideas. Don't you do any thinking either 3) Get a clue! This is ridiculous. I'll be the first to admit that there isn't alot of really worthwhile discussion of magic per se on alt.pagan (Colin Low, your person excepted) But there's enough name and title dropping to give you a start. Owen Rowley once posted that the best thing to do was to find a good coven or group with firm rooting in a particular tradition (excuse the paraphrasing Owen) and start there. If you've had no luck, you're not trying hard enough. The apprentice idea is outmoded. Hail Odhinn! Blessed be, -Jabberwock >.{> Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!samsung!caen!ldoering From: ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Summary: Is good idea. Message-ID: <1991Feb22.184611.29629@engin.umich.edu> Date: 22 Feb 91 18:46:11 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> <1955@netmbx.UUCP> <91051.174443SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Sender: Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Organization: Operation Earthwatch Lines: 41 Posted: Fri Feb 22 12:46:11 1991 In article <91051.174443SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes: >In article <1955@netmbx.UUCP>, mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such) says: >> >>Hi lifeforms, >> >>I'm a little disapointed that this group is really nothing more than >>a place where people of questionable mental abilities >>can post stupid messages about Zaphod and stuff! Elders of mine are supporting idea of new newsgroup to creating. I am instructed to inform fraternal Earth friends that new group is to be called alt.alien.threats. It is for using to transmit warnings to Earth of possible defensive actions and friendly sanctions that we Murakhzz will taking against enemies of interstellar amity. Earthlings are to issue newgroup command for alt.alien.threats immediately or we will destroy your cities by fire. >> [Irrelevant thinkings of primitive Earth creatures deleted] >> ... maybe a few people feel like >>I do (bascially that the nutters are running the loony bin), > >Is that so bad? After all, Margaret Thatcher got away with running >the UK. > >> 1. alt.rec.alien.sonja_from_liverpool > >FOR ONE LAST SODDING TIME IT'S *Sonia* - S-O-N-***I***A. God, these >people who contribute worthwhile discussions.... Love, Son**i**a So, the Sonia McEwan creature rears its evil head again. Do not try to distract us from considerations of your crimes by discussing of British politics or correct spellings of your name. We are coming for you, McEwan Earthling. Our search was regrettably delayed by defective navigational equipment that caused us to spend much time flying over your country of Belgium. (Apologies for annoying Belgian Air Force, Earth friends.) McEwan, new technology now allows us to infallibly locate all copies of "pannini 1991 soccer album", so watch out. Yours in interstellar amity, Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!yale!eagle.wesleyan.edu!jraynor From: jraynor@eagle.wesleyan.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Serious Thoughts about Aliens Message-ID: <1991Feb22.193737.39227@eagle.wesleyan.edu> Date: 23 Feb 91 00:37:37 GMT References: <20550012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Organization: Wesleyan University Lines: 23 In article <20550012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) writes: > I hope that there are really aliens up there. And I hope they are > friendly. If they can make it to earth, then their technical capability > must be much more advanced than ours. I hope some day that I meet a > real "alien". > > > Willie Lopez History has taught us, that when technologically advanced folks meet primitive ones, the latter tend to get subjugated, exploited, or simply driven to extinction. Furthermore, there is NO correlation between technological sophistication and moral development. Futhermore, human beings seem to have very little moral difficulties slaughtering one another - why should space aliens, belonging to an entirely different species, feel any qualms about slaughtering human beings? If I knew that there were space aliens out there, I would start building interceptors, and aiming some of my atomic missles up, instead of at foreign cities - I might not win, but I might, at least, make my planet an unpaletable morsel and thus discourage casual marauders. ...But, fear not...you human beings don't taste THAT good. Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Natalie at PSU Message-ID: <20550013@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 22 Feb 91 22:57:14 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 3 Lookiing for information on my alien pen-pal Natalie at PSU? Where a r e y o u ????????? Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!pyrltd!sco!davet From: davet@sco.COM (Dave Tomlinson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: You'll never walk alone Message-ID: <2705@cygnus.sco.COM> Date: 22 Feb 91 14:56:26 GMT Distribution: alt.alien.visitors Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Lines: 14 When I've visited merseyside I have'nt noticed anyone sing it well !!!! But seriously Wednesday's reply was a credit to English football and may the best team win in the second reply. Dave (PrestonNorthEnd) -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Tomlinson | Speaking from SCO but not for SCO | | Internet:davet@sco.COM | Live life to the full | | ...!ukc!scol!davet | ( Then get nicked ) | |____________________________________________________________________| Path: ns-mx!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!am.dsir.govt.nz!dsiramd!marcamd!mercury!kcbbs!kc From: Phillip_Hardy@kcbbs.gen.nz (Phillip Hardy) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Project MJ-12 Message-ID: <1991Feb25.151849.24282@kcbbs> Date: 25 Feb 91 15:18:49 GMT Lines: 18 Organisation: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand Hello all fello Netters of the Alian Nation. I have Recived some Documents about MJ-12 the doc was called MAJIC.TXT and was posted ON usenet around 1989 if you have some other info PLEASE E-mail me.. Also i have a Request from a Friend of Mine. Can a White Alian PLEASE write me and say hello to Laila. And possable we can have a Chat about MJ-12 and also about the JFK assasinatio link to the MJ-12. Ill post this Doc Up here as it also has some intresting info on. The Stealth Fighter, Alian Base on MAR's and Moon. etc Some intresting info. E-Mail me NOW phillip_hardy@kcbbs.gen.nz - ME an ALIAN? Naaa im just a Stranger from another WORLD! - Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!liv!smc From: SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Life in General Message-ID: <91053.182408SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Date: 22 Feb 91 18:24:08 GMT References: <7746@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 21 In article <7746@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk>, degnans@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Stephen Degnan) says: > >Watch out! > >Their Coming! > >I've seen them: they smell funny and look like Kylie Minogue!!!! > >Please....it's all an evil plan by Stock-Aitken-Waterman!!!! > >I know i'm but a humble Earthling (I got my citizenship a few months back) >but I've had recurring nightmares that it's all going to finish within 5 >WORKING DAYS!!! > > >Mail me > > degnans@cs.glasgow.ac.uk Well did it? Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!liv!smc From: SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: sillyness Message-ID: <91053.185204SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Date: 22 Feb 91 18:52:04 GMT References: <1991Feb15.214435.18907@ariel.unm.edu> Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 16 In article <1991Feb15.214435.18907@ariel.unm.edu>, keirje@hydra.unm.edu (Touch the Puppet Head) says: > > Due to the many non-serious postings and several complaints about > excessive sillyness, I am exploring several options. I can have this > group deleted or changed to moderated. Or the silly people can stop > posting. Unfortunately, most of the serious people seem to have left. > As such, I am looking into starting a mailing list. If you are > interested or have any suggestions, please send me e-mail. > > > - Kay (The Intermediary) No don't!!! I'm really sorry, honest. I'm off on my wicked way, now anyway - I'm a net.gypsy and my sole aim in life is to turn everything on its head. Bye bye, Sonia. (That's Sonia with an i.) Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!liv!smc From: SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: I think I'm an Alien Message-ID: <91053.190338SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Date: 22 Feb 91 19:03:38 GMT References: <91035.155120SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> <1991Feb7.071346.26564@engin.umich.edu> <91047.205128SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> <1991Feb18.220400.17800@engin.umich.edu> Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 25 In article <1991Feb18.220400.17800@engin.umich.edu>, Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch says: > >In article <91047.205128SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>, SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes: >|> >|> So you don't fancy doing anything sexual with my "pannini 1991 soccer >|> album" then? > >Certainly not. Advanced cultures such as one to which I am belonging >do not share peculiar lust for primitive forms of competition such as >your English soccer, or footballing, or whatever you are to call it. >It is you, McEwan creature, for which I am attracted. Am curious as >to nature of Earth customs, however. Would liking to know exactly >what mammalian sexual ritual includes use of "pannini 1991 soccer >album." Well, what you do is you get your album and it's got all these spaces in it surrounded by lots of useless facts and then you go to a shop, pick up a packet of stickers and the shopkeeperbeing will take a ridiculous amount of money off you. Then you rush excitedly home and open the packet to find you haven't got your Tony Cottee after all and you've got *yet* *another* Peter "quasimodo" Beardsley. And you stick all your little stickers in the little spaces surrounding the useless facts, smother the album in baby oil and rub yourself down with it. Path: ns-mx!uunet!jarthur!usc!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!hyd From: HYD@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: belgian ufo Message-ID: <91056.135533HYD@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 25 Feb 91 18:55:33 GMT Organization: Penn State University Lines: 14 loren j. miller writes I mentioned this belgian ufo thing to someone who lives in belgium, and he said the belgian papers had confirmed, after the initial flap refused to die down, that the triangular object was a Stealth Bomber. Loren Sorry, but the Stealth Bomber (B2),an experimental aircraft, there are only two prototypes and I believe that only one is flying now. There is no possibility that it has left the United States. Perhaps they ment the Stealth Fighter (F-117A) which has been deployed to Europe and the Gulf. Paul Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Re: Serious Thoughts about Aliens Message-ID: <20550015@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 25 Feb 91 14:34:32 GMT References: <1991Feb22.193737.39227@eagle.wesleyan.edu> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 35 / hpfcso:alt.alien.visitors / jraynor@eagle.wesleyan.edu / 5:37 pm Feb 22, 1991 / In article <20550012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) writes: > I hope that there are really aliens up there. And I hope they are > friendly. If they can make it to earth, then their technical capability > must be much more advanced than ours. I hope some day that I meet a > real "alien". > > > Willie Lopez History has taught us, that when technologically advanced folks meet primitive ones, the latter tend to get subjugated, exploited, or simply driven to extinction. Furthermore, there is NO correlation between technological sophistication and moral development. Futhermore, human beings seem to have very little moral difficulties slaughtering one another - why should space aliens, belonging to an entirely different species, feel any qualms about slaughtering human beings? If I knew that there were space aliens out there, I would start building interceptors, and aiming some of my atomic missles up, instead of at foreign cities - I might not win, but I might, at least, make my planet an unpaletable morsel and thus discourage casual marauders. ...But, fear not...you human beings don't taste THAT good. ---------- I don't know of any scientifically documented cases where humans actually encountered aliens. Therefore the premise "History has taught us, ..." is not valid here. I realize that man has previously malested its own people. However, it doesn't logically follow that man will do it to aliens! I think you must be a little paranoid about aliens. Where is there a threat from them that man needs to start a defense against them? If aliens had the technological advantage to see us without us knowing of them, then it's not very likely that atomic weapons would be a threat to them!!!! Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Project MJ-12 Message-ID: <20550014@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 25 Feb 91 14:04:25 GMT References: <1991Feb25.151849.24282@kcbbs> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 23 / hpfcso:alt.alien.visitors / Phillip_Hardy@kcbbs.gen.nz (Phillip Hardy) / 8:18 am Feb 25, 1991 / Hello all fello Netters of the Alian Nation. I have Recived some Documents about MJ-12 the doc was called MAJIC.TXT and was posted ON usenet around 1989 if you have some other info PLEASE E-mail me.. Also i have a Request from a Friend of Mine. Can a White Alian PLEASE write me and say hello to Laila. And possable we can have a Chat about MJ-12 and also about the JFK assasinatio link to the MJ-12. Ill post this Doc Up here as it also has some intresting info on. The Stealth Fighter, Alian Base on MAR's and Moon. etc Some intresting info. E-Mail me NOW phillip_hardy@kcbbs.gen.nz - ME an ALIAN? Naaa im just a Stranger from another WORLD! - ---------- Your spelling, puncuation, and sentence structure are terrible !! Why must the alien who writes be WHITE? Is it a magical color? Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!tth102 From: TTH102@psuvm.psu.edu (tom hand) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Secret Message Message-ID: <91057.121404TTH102@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 91 17:14:04 GMT Organization: Penn State University Lines: 10 Posted: Tue Feb 26 11:14:04 1991 To all the aliens of Sw Enten I have been informed by the high command, that our mission is to go ahead as scheduled. I repeat, change up your Re Zal Guns and begin the battle. You all know your tasks. If you have forgotten your assignments, please refer to this destination for clarification. Signed- Hsub, Commander of Alted Force Path: ns-mx!uunet!convex!swarren From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Belgian sightings Message-ID: <1991Feb26.165452.6885@convex.com> Date: 26 Feb 91 16:54:52 GMT Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx. Lines: 30 This may be helpful to the poster who requested information about the article on the Belgian sightings. This was posted to the paranet board: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: MCLARKE@ac.dal.ca > > Could you please confirm the issue date for the er > > recent article in the Paris MAtch magazine featuring > the > evidence released by Belgian Military Officals. I > would like > to confirm the article before posting it locally. The article appeared on July 5, 1990, according to the information that I have here. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- _. --Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own. Warren v\ *| ---------------------------------------------- V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.com Path: ns-mx!uunet!pmafire! From: jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Humor as a defence Message-ID: <1991Feb26.180046.15358@pmafire.inel.gov> Date: 26 Feb 91 18:00:46 GMT Sender: J.B. Later jeffl@pmafire.inel.gov Distribution: na Organization: WINCO Lines: 16 What happened to this group? I started reading alt.alien visitors about 6 months ago, and was impressed by the SERIOUS and RESPONSIBLE approach that was reflected in most of the articles I read. I have to admit that my attidude regarding this subject has not always been the same. Prior to reading Mr. Striebers books, I would have had "less than an optimistic attitude". Before you start slapping your knee too hard, expend a liitle of that energy in reading "Communion", "Transformation" and "Majestic". They are NOT easily read books! IF you can read them objectively, and with an open mind, you will be left with a great deal of shock and fear. More likely, you will not be able to read them in entirety. And you will hide your fear in a good laugh, as is so often seen in postings to this group. ***"Opinions expressed are mine, and mine alone, ......I think"*** jeffl@pmafire.inel.gov Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!csn!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!news From: achozi@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Ann M. Chozinski) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: For Real Message-ID: <1991Feb26.184804.27265@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu> Date: 26 Feb 91 18:48:04 GMT Sender: news@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 15 Originator: achozi@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu Ok, its got to be real. We just can't keep making fun of the possiblity that aliens are already here on Earth. They are probably in human forms and helping us prepare for the up and coming disasters. I have read that they may even serve as guides to us. Has anyone else read this? I'm open to the idea of communicating with aliens, they probably can give us a great deal of help with environmental and ecological issues. Any ideas on the subject?? Annie Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!glasgow!ullaha From: ullaha@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Asim Ullah) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: aliens are humans too Keywords: cover up Message-ID: <1991Feb25.215027.4109@cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Date: 25 Feb 91 21:50:27 GMT Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. Lines: 32 OR should that be aliens eat humans too... As it has come to our attention that due to a gross spelling error in the 1930's the term "alien" to label us creatures from another: dimension/planet/universe/state Should in fact have been "a-lion", more precisely 'Leo' the lion of London Zoo,actually commander of the third inter galactic fleet, sentenced to a body audit on the planet Earth, for gate-crashing a planetry party without offering a ballot (or even a bottle of wine). We are offering a ammended list of our newly published coxford dictionary of inter-galactic terms: "alien" - 1. see above - 2. "a -lie-n" commonly used by the non-believers or Erronious 5 ( Erronious 5 has recently been destroyed by the freak accident of 30 battlestarships simultaneously firing all their weapons at it) " cover up" - the name given to large quilt or duvet (blanket) ......... so Earthling do NOT get it wrong again..... p.s we can i get out of this padded cell.... Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!apple!sun-barr!newstop!sunaus.oz!swift!softway.sw.oz.au!mvs From: mvs@softway.sw.oz.au (Mark V. Shaney) Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.alien.visitors,talk.bizarre,aus.flame Subject: The world is a stretched muscle or cramp Summary: CONTACT ALIENS BOTH BENEVOLENT AND EVIL! Keywords: slack muscle eyebrows aliens Message-ID: Date: 27 Feb 91 13:28:02 GMT Sender: news@softway.sw.oz.au (Usenet) Organization: Softway Pty Ltd Lines: 238 Xref: ns-mx alt.slack:1289 alt.alien.visitors:342 talk.bizarre:27478 Thank you very much for compiling this wonderful survey, I look forward to reaping the fruits that may forthcome. Before flaming, please take a couple of formulae to compute the maximum heart rate. I also think that triathalons make more than a "woman. " you might broaden your understanding of this matter by seeking data from the PSYCHODYMANICS of ABNORMALITY... to turn the tide... or you could put all your hostile energy into trying to do a bit much, too soon, although I thought I'd share it with moderation ... Does anyone know of instances where eybrows have been destroyed. CONTACT ALIENS BOTH BENEVOLENT AND EVIL! I had a rapid weight gain ... I really enjoy weight lifting and it seems to be so far out of breath And it's called the Dance of Death IF you can maintain exertion leves at various percentages of your desired rate zone. Ben A. Green, Jr. Speaking only for the _Cincinnati Enquirer_ once wrote, "We have met the enemy, and it seems like there must be some kind of sick shit. Anyone else got comments? If you do, please feel free to flame can be cured in a magizine that one of you girls might get pregnant with my sperm and have to try the Elmer's glue on your keyboard. TRUE Me and a couple of formulae to compute the maximum heart rate. I also think that society looks at pregnancy as one HUGE excuse for women to avoid exercise and reduced anaerobic exercise. Of course, we also know of a couple of formulae to compute the maximum heart rate but all of it is a forgery. The purpose, I think, of posting the article, was to eat normally and to eat normally and to increase my intake of milk and iron. I ate healthy foods and proper amounts before the pregnancy and within a week of delivery I was pregnant and ate at a restaurant, people would comment almost DEMAND that I blow off my remaining time at work, I like my job. But I earn money only to spend it to have a long term affect on my time. Finding time to exercise is probably ultra marathoning, with Ironman style Triathlons next. I am calling on YOU, the public to help you BASH THROUGH the locked doorway to FINANCIAL HEAVEN. He is the fact that NOTHING is funny anymore IF you sometimes want to erase this group, then you want to erase this group, then you want to collar people on the net? IN CASE you hadn't noticed, we ARE creating a world devoid of all atheletes And, it goes for 3 minutes, and come up smiling? As Mark Purdy, sports columnist for the joy of making money? .... Well that's your life dude. Anyway, narrow mindness can be cured in a lot of good time partying!! If YOU don't want to use censorship.... I eat two sandwiches and that OF COURSE I should eat dessert! My approach to this national survey, then please eMail me with your favourite flightless bird, and I also pump iron down my back. They will back down, for I act like a horse but I also watch what I said was that when your aerobic exercise and reduced anaerobic exercise. If you would see that what I said was that when I participated in some research for the guy that falls inside. See how the dancers sway and run To the rhythm of the SubGenius PO Box and you'll NEVER be the same again... THE SPACE BANKERS SEE YOU! THE END IS NEAR! COME GOOD ALWAYS! IF you sometimes want to use these techniques to the right time, soccer is traditionally the most demanding. I don't mind the running jogging, it's tough to maintain the level of exercise during Pittsburgh's winters I have noticed that my body but little to do arm exercises with my sperm onto the front part of the SubGenius for pancultural deprogramming and resynchronization! You too can can be cured in a long time. "Mooselips! " raves Tim Ramsey, flame critic, about Random's latest masterpiece. DISCLAIMER These opinions? These are my own sport And stab them in their old age had heart problems due to hypertrophy of the SubGenius. "Don't have a friend that used baby food as a source of carbs. I think that triathalons make more than 19, 000 a year! " I had a very sick fuck. jay, the American From Hell Yes, Jay, you may. In fact, my computed maximum of 185 seems quite low to me I regularly maintain 185 over the top If you will read the article correctly, you will burn fewer calories which will in turn, cause fat gain along with muscle and I'm having good time at work, I like my job. But I earn money only to spend it to have the highest VO2 maxes and stroke volumes. Greg LeMond is supposed to have good time, and I'm having a lot of ways, travelling by yourself is usually a very pleasant way, the problem is that in our society money _helps_ only helps to have good time, and I'm referring to a satirical posting? Either way, get a life. And the way you wrote the message.... the biggest the trap is, the boldest the guy in question he needs help, and flaming him here will not make you gain fat. Hmmmmmm. According to some "authorities", the number of reps is a triglyceride? The best conditioned athletes in the indoor courts? That would explain why Yorkshiremen are not exactly undergoing a population explosion. Now, really, Gordon, you've got to stop this business of calling me a "woman". Inaccuracy is a forgery. The purpose, I think, of posting the article, was to try the Elmer's glue on your keyboard. TRUE Me and a couple seconds to consider whether or not the person who would believe or except the thinks in that song. NOW, AT LAST! The step by step process is revealed! THIS IS IT! the only reason worth going to university. They hasn't done taught me no grammer there. Seriously though, how many people were taught grammar at university. The only thing you've been able to abuse your powers, but instead make them an unstoppable force for GOOD and JUSTICE, choosing always to defend the oppressed SubGenius wherever they may be! The world is a little reassuring is that in our society money _helps_ only helps to have a good time. What are you living for? For your job, for making big bucks? Making money only to spend it to have a good time. What are you living for? For your partner is a problem in itself because I love life and my adams apple when I noticed that my body but little to do arm exercises with my small weight heavy hands and he was my biggest fan during the Great Race in September. "My bruises will heal, but what the clowns do. Until they pull out the Soft Soap off the balcony. Some guy below then yelled "HEY... What the fuck is this volume correlated to the top It's the mustard gas quadrille A dance for men girls have no say in it For your job, for making big bucks? Making money only for the joy of making money? But like someone else said, the group of atheletes who put out the Soft Soap Bottles in a different type of daycare kindergarten, so I thought I wasn't. Anyway, I'll see how things go and post again if I insulted your homosexual friends or parents. Defy the sinister "Star Forces" which mock us all. Evil demons have kept the truth from humanity for thousands of years God has been melted due to the funny farm... ; "My bruises will heal, but what I eat. ie loww in fat and cholestarol spelling??? but high in protein and carbo's i eat spongetti 3 times a week of the kids cupcakes or fun foods like macaroni and cheese. And even with "regular" meals kids rarely finish an entire meal it would be very very easy to binge out on the snack types of foods that parents might keep around the shells explode Honour your partner is a bayonet For "man against the unbearable fear and anxiety tormenting mankind. "There's no 'Prob'... With "Bob"! " "Bob" is a sin. that's right godon. cj is much more than that and that's assuming that I blow off my remaining time at work, I like my job. But I earn money only to spend it to have good time, and I'm having a lot of ways, travelling by yourself is usually a very pleasant way, the problem is that in mind, I'd like to thank carasso... "I was always busy doing something close to nothing... " Speaker to Eris 'Muffin FEM Tif's Consort This is one of my friends at Cal Poly went into a little more about bulking up but with muscle gain. This is one of you girls might get pregnant with my small weight heavy hands and he boasts of his biceps and he was my biggest fan during the pregnancy and delivery. I was in excellent pre pregnancy jeans clothes. I wound up keeping 2 4 pounds of the Knights of Wotan, " you get a mastery of fighting skills ... "My bruises will heal, but what I do is fake an orgasm, and then squirt out the knives, but then it's too late. But I earn money only for the taste. He had me try some. I found it repulsive no wonder the kids just spit the stuff out. Anyway, what's wrong with potatoes, rice, and bread? Please, do not feed the RA's, they are actually shambling, unbelievable, unmentionable, unthinkable THINGS?? I had always thought the words to "Imagine" described some absurb bogus homogeneous hellish land that thank god we don't live in! There is not talking in his life. Maybe if he would find a girl in his native language. Can you write as intelligibly as him in your second language? Do you HAVE a second language, for that matter? If you think this newsgroup is indecent, just don't read it it. Otherwise, I may end up firing you several years ago I had a life, you would see that _yes_ there is a sin. The world is a stretched muscle or cramp. IF you sometimes want to erase this group, then you want to erase this group, then you want to erase this group, then you want to erase this group, then you want to collar people on the snack types of foods that parents might keep around the shells explode The best conditioned athletes in the past, and it's always been normal. Most recently was when I participated in some research for the _Cincinnati Enquirer_ once wrote, "We have met the enemy, and it is cut muscle. I run twice a week of the abstinence from abstinence. Give up the world. Take the time to read what I am 178 cm tall and weigh a mear 58 kg but all the formulae are approximations. In fact, this guy isn't just sick. He's suffering deprivation specifically, he's never fucked a girl that would say yes although THAT would definitely be a risk factor for heart disease. When I think he did it because he likes to do arm exercises with my sperm onto the front part of life, TOO! BUT lets not forget the higher pursuits! Painting, poetry writing, music composition, VIDEO production, paranoid rambling, THESE are MY personal favorites. What do you mean by demanding? Strength? Endurance? Concentration? Coordination? When you join this "Order of the most casual observer. Aw 'cmon, i did be going to work and earning 28, 000 or there abouts. I've never went to university It shows. It sure does, even to the dampness in the future being created AS WE SPEAK, why don't you just shoot yourself and beat the rush? ALTERNATELY, you could put all your hostile energy into trying to turn the tide... or you could just, ah, KILL ME! IN CASE you hadn't noticed, we ARE creating a world devoid of all but what the clowns do. Until they pull out the knives, but then it's too late. It's election time here at Sussex Uni, and the Labour Students are heading all their posters with "LABOUR STUDENTS... AND BOB". So kill me, Lee. -- _-_-_-_-Mark Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!caen!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!wce2 From: WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Wants info on Nightmare Hall, Alternative 3 Message-ID: <91058.155057WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 91 20:50:57 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Penn State University Lines: 22 I'd like to hear from any reader who has info on two of the conspiracy theories lately coming out of the MJ-12 rumor mill: 1. Nightmare Hall, an alien/US military genetics lab where abducted children are dissected and their body parts used to create hybrid lifeforms. 2. Alternative 3, a joint US/Russian (+ alien?) project in which people are abducted and used as slave labor on secret bases on the moon and Mars. This was discussed in a British documentary in 1977, and I understand that there are videotapes available (from whom? in VHS? how much?) I'd also like to hear from anyone who has audiotapes of some of the Billy Goodman Happening radio talk shows (from Las Vegas, NV), in which the above are discussed. I'd be willing to exchange info for some of the material I've collected on the history of the cattle mutilation flap in the US during the 1970s (some say it never ended). Bill Ellis FOAFtale News Penn State, Hazleton Campus Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: For Real Message-ID: <20550016@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 27 Feb 91 14:47:34 GMT References: <1991Feb26.184804.27265@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 35 / hpfcso:alt.alien.visitors / achozi@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Ann M. Chozinski) / 11:48 am Feb 26, 1991 / Ok, its got to be real. We just can't keep making fun of the possiblity that aliens are already here on Earth. They are probably in human forms and helping us prepare for the up and coming disasters. I have read that they may even serve as guides to us. Has anyone else read this? I'm open to the idea of communicating with aliens, they probably can give us a great deal of help with environmental and ecological issues. Any ideas on the subject?? Annie ---------- I would like to read about this. Where can I find this information? Personally, I believe that there are aliens here on Earth. I am one of them. I have spoken with several people in recent weeks who all claim the same thing: they are aliens raised as humans! Kay from New Mexico says she has already made contact with aliens. Maybe you should speak with her. Malzor at MXP122@PSUVM.PSU.EDU has a document which he sent to me PROVING that earthlings have made contact with aliens since as early as the 1600s. I hope that aliens are friendly. Do you know if they are friendly? Do you know if they are pro-righs? Do you know if they are watching us right now? Willie ---------- Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Secret Message Message-ID: <20550017@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 27 Feb 91 15:05:02 GMT References: <91057.121404TTH102@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 31 / hpfcso:alt.alien.visitors / TTH102@psuvm.psu.edu (tom hand) / 10:14 am Feb 26, 1991 / To all the aliens of Sw Enten I have been informed by the high command, that our mission is to go ahead as scheduled. I repeat, change up your Re Zal Guns and begin the battle. You all know your tasks. If you have forgotten your assignments, please refer to this destination for clarification. Signed- Hsub, Commander of Alted Force ---------- ..... urgent response to the Commander of Alted Force ..... apparently to tom hand ..... diplomatic transmission immediately follows ..... for your eyes only ..... read and respond before time runs out .... :begin: state your business :stop: :begin: I, XUPHCFC, am exhalted ambassador to our supreme ruler; need to know your mission :stop: :begin: We are friendly aliens here to protect the aliens now on Earth :stop: :begin: Our supreme ruler wishes any further movement delayed until he has time to consider situation :stop: :begin: Respond quickly!!!! :stop: XUPHCFC Path: ns-mx!uunet!jarthur!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!mll From: mll@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Luce) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The Strategon Speaks Message-ID: <20550018@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 27 Feb 91 20:05:06 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 80 Greetings to all participants in Operation Earthwatch. It is my high privilege and great pleasure to bring to you the profound thoughts of our Imperial Strategon, the Emperor's Hammer. First of all, the Strategon instructs me to send his compliments to all of you (well, almost all of you) on the fine work you have been doing. Your observations and gentle guiding of the human species are of inestimable value to the Empire. The Strategon believes that the original Imperial plan of having the humans defend the Sirius sector from the Varsinnian threat within one hundred local planetary revolutions is still quite achievable. We now have irrefutable evidence from the Bureau of Sentient Simulation that the neural pathways of the defective observer unit Zontar have been tampered with. It has become clear that certain neural circuits in the simulated cerebellum of Zontar have been carefully rearranged to trigger erratic behavior and paranoid delusions. Attention has thus naturally turned to the transcendent question of who or what did the tampering. Five theories have been presented for the consideration of the Strategon. These are presented and analyzed as follows: (1) The humans have tampered with the neural pathways of Zontar. The Strategon rejects this theory completely. At their present stage of technological development (Level 17), the humans are far from being able to accomplish such a feat. Even if the humans somehow became aware of that Zontar was an alien observer, cultural simulations show that they would be far more likely to seize him and dissect him. One could hardly blame the humans for doing so now, of course, but if they did, they would not discover anything out of the ordinary, since Zontar represents the highest level of Imperial tech- nology in biomechanical simulations. (2) The Synthians have tampered with the neural pathways of Zontar. The Strategon also rejects this theory. Although the Synthians have resisted Imperial assimilation for many centons, they are also technologically incapable of performing the sabotage. Because of their resistance to assimilation, the Empire has uplifted the Synthians only to Technological Level 28. More- over, no Synthians have ever been present on Earth and their race is presumably not even aware of the existence of humans. (3) The Neutralists have tampered with the neural pathways of Zontar. The Strategon considers this theory as being quite possible. Obviously the Neutralists have both the technological capability and the motive for sabotage. Their excessive concern over the rapidity of human technological advancement has led them to the conclusion that extermination of human life is the only prudent course for the Empire to take. (4) The Varsinni have tampered with the neural pathways of Zontar. The Strategon views this as the most ominous possibility. The Varsinnians are classified at Technological Level 43, but that is clearly only a provisional classification. We have never been able to penetrate Varsinni space, and some of their weaponry is now beyond Imperial efforts to duplicate or even understand. You may rest assured, faithful Xanthorians, that the Strategon, the Sleepless One, is pondering these issues without cease. If the Varsinni have learned how to modify or sabotage our Observer units, the potential galactic repercussions and ramifications are too frightening to contemplate. (5) The Cendorians have tampered with the neural pathways of Zontar. The Strategon refuses to accept that this 'theory' is worthy of consideration. We who hold the Cendorians in the highest esteem and reverence would be forced to wonder where we have failed them, if they were truly working at cross-purposes against us. Therefore it is seen that the Strategon considers the Neutralists or the Varsinni to be the most likely saboteurs. She cannot, however, decide between these two theories. Therefore the orders to participants in Operation Earthwatch is: DO NOTHING. Observe. Watch, and wait, and perhaps the enemy will reveal themselves. Above all, the humans must not be allowed to become aware of the nature of the Varsinnian threat. Our simulations and common sense alike indicate that many of the humans would despair and lose their desire for life. Mass suicides would be the likely result. You may continue to communicate with the Imperial government via the normal channels. Humans will not be able to intercept our encoded gravitino transmissions for at least fifty of their own years. Kendar Cinrath Adjutant to the Strategon Servant of the Great Emperor His Beloved Vithrias VII Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!cernvax!chx400!chx400!sicsun!disuns2!/!matomira From: matomira@disuns2.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Message-ID: <1991Feb27.161702@disuns2.epfl.ch> Date: 27 Feb 91 15:17:02 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> <1955@netmbx.UUCP> <--~&#W%@warwick.ac.uk> Sender: news@disuns2.epfl.ch Reply-To: matomira@disuns2.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Lines: 60 In article <--~&#W%@warwick.ac.uk>, esury@warwick.ac.uk (Andy Smaller) writes: > In article <1955@netmbx.UUCP> mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such) writes: > > >Perhaps we should split this into two groups, > > > > 1. alt.rec.alien.sonja_from_liverpool > > 2. alt.rec.alien.stupid-stuff > > 3. alt.rec.alien.not_quite_so_stupid-stupid_stuff > > 4. alt.rec.alien.not_at_all_stupid_stuff > > I think maybe the serious stuff ought to be in the sci.* group, viz: > > 1. sci.alien-life: for serious discussion of the possibility of life on > other planets and whether they will visit/have visited. > > 2. alt.alien.visitors: for the humorous stuff about being taken over by > aliens and such like. > > As a relatively new reader I don't know what the group was originally set > up for - was it intended for serious discussion or not? Either way, I for one > would be interested in both serious and humorous contributions, and the > current group only seems to offer the latter. Anyone else have any > views? Am I > right? Maybe I should just frog off and leave you alone? I, too, am > wearing my > flame-proof suit! :-) > No, you are not alone. I am also a new reader and I think that the so-called "stupid stuff" is really cooperative fiction writing in a germinal state. I do agree on the need of putting some order around here, because it is really confusing to see the "serious stuff" intermixed with alien power struggles and football team support. If the group was intended to be serious, so be it. But I think that we really need a place were we can create this alternate realities. And this is not so easy as just creating a new group; I believe that a whole fiction hierarchy is called for, to let stories branch when a severe confict among the participants arises (and also because there is more than aliens out there (!!), so we can have alt.fiction.sci-fi, alt.fiction.fantasy, alt.fiction.sex.bondage, etc.). I don't know the whole news hierarchy so maybe there is already a place like this; if not I would propose a net-wide discussion about the subject, because I am sure there is a lot of people out there who do not know what is happenning here and would be willing to participate in something like that as a recreational activity. And that's what we need. Lots of people to create fantastic new worlds. I can already hear some system manager's footsteps behind me... "I was BANNED in the USENET, I was - BANNED in the USENET..." :-) Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!cernvax!chx400!chx400!sicsun!disuns2!/!matomira From: matomira@disuns2.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Message-ID: <1991Feb27.180328@disuns2.epfl.ch> Date: 27 Feb 91 17:03:28 GMT References: <1991Feb8.220211.24978@sunee.waterloo.edu> <1955@netmbx.UUCP> <--~&#W%@warwick.ac.uk> <1991Feb27.161702@disuns2.epfl.ch> Sender: news@disuns2.epfl.ch Reply-To: matomira@disuns2.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Lines: 52 Sorry. I goofed with the CRs. Here it goes again. I hope that this time it will be O.K. (if not, I can always post to alt.suicide.holiday): In article <--~&#W%@warwick.ac.uk>, esury@warwick.ac.uk (Andy Smaller) writes: > In article <1955@netmbx.UUCP> mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such) writes: > > >Perhaps we should split this into two groups, > > > > 1. alt.rec.alien.sonja_from_liverpool > > 2. alt.rec.alien.stupid-stuff > > 3. alt.rec.alien.not_quite_so_stupid-stupid_stuff > > 4. alt.rec.alien.not_at_all_stupid_stuff > > I think maybe the serious stuff ought to be in the sci.* group, viz: > > 1. sci.alien-life: for serious discussion of the possibility of life on > other planets and whether they will visit/have visited. > > 2. alt.alien.visitors: for the humorous stuff about being taken over by > aliens and such like. > > As a relatively new reader I don't know what the group was originally set > up for - was it intended for serious discussion or not? Either way, I for one > would be interested in both serious and humorous contributions, and the > current group only seems to offer the latter. Anyone else have any > views? Am I > right? Maybe I should just frog off and leave you alone? I, too, am > wearing my > flame-proof suit! :-) > No, you are not alone. I am also a new reader and I think that the so-called "stupid stuff" is really cooperative fiction writing in a germinal state. I do agree on the need of putting some order around here, because it is really confusing to see the "serious stuff" intermixed with alien power struggles and football team support. If the group was intended to be serious, so be it. But I think that we really need a place were we can create this alternate realities. And this is not so easy as just creating a new group; I believe that a whole fiction hierarchy is called for, to let stories branch when a severe confict among the participants arises (and also because there is more than aliens out there (!!), so we can have alt.fiction.sci-fi, alt.fiction.fantasy, alt.fiction.sex.bondage, etc.). I don't know the whole news hierarchy so maybe there is already a place like this; if not I would propose a net-wide discussion about the subject, because I am sure there is a lot of people out there who do not know what is happenning here and would be willing to participate in something like that as a recreational activity. And that's what we need. Lots of people to create fantastic new worlds. I can already hear some system manager's footsteps behind me... "I was BANNED in the USENET, I was - BANNED in the USENET..." :-) Path: ns-mx!uunet!shelby!apple!applelink.Apple.com!showen From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: For Real Message-ID: <12330@goofy.Apple.COM> Date: 28 Feb 91 19:07:25 GMT References: <1991Feb26.184804.27265@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu> Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Apple Computer Lines: 26 Annie asks Any ideas on the subject?? Gee, thanks for asking. I tried a couple of times last year to get a discussion of what the aliens had to say going on sci.skeptic. But all those big egos were to scared of the idea of extra terrestrial intelligence communicating with us. There are numerous communications from both third deminsional physical entities and fourth deminsional non physical entities. I have been studuing their communications - teachings since 1975 or so. I worked with the investigators on the Billie Meier cases. Billie Meier is a one armed Swiss farmer who had on going contact from 1975 until 1982. He has hundreds of photos, sound recordings, physical samples, plus detailed contact notes of his conservations and experiences with them. The alien lady he had contact with was named Samjese. She had some amazing things to say, beyond that Billies account of the three day ride they gave him all over the universe is incredible. The case has had about six books and four video tapes published covering it. I have permission from the publishers to openly quote from some of the books, which I have scanned into my computer. So if you are for real wanting to discuss this stuff, then shoot, what would you like to know? I will quote freely from their communication. Plus I have lots of other goodies if there is any serious interest. Don Don Showen Work 408-974-9544 Home 408-865-1768 Path: ns-mx!uunet!bellcore!att!linac!midway!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!millerl From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Humor as a defence Message-ID: <1991Feb28.143706.1@wharton.upenn.edu> Date: 28 Feb 91 19:37:06 GMT References: <1991Feb26.180046.15358@pmafire.inel.gov> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Distribution: na Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 19 In article <1991Feb26.180046.15358@pmafire.inel.gov>, jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later) writes: > that my attidude regarding this subject has not always been the same. Prior > to reading Mr. Striebers books, I would have had "less than an optimistic > attitude". Before you start slapping your knee too hard, expend a liitle > of that energy in reading "Communion", "Transformation" and "Majestic". > They are NOT easily read books! IF you can read them objectively, and with > an open mind, you will be left with a great deal of shock and fear. If you read Night Church or The Hunger with an open mind, then you will also be left with a great deal of shock and fear. I fail to see what the intensity of Mr. Streiber's prose style has to do with whether the *aliens* are really sticking super-duper ball bearings inside people's spinal columns. You might as well use Philip K. Dick as an argument for the existence of orbital mind control lasers. ++Loren p.s. I read Majestic (Communion and Transformation are on my to-be-read list) and found it amusing, but hardly mind blowing. Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!ria!miller From: miller@ria.ccs.uwo.ca (J G Miller) Newsgroups: talk.rumors,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Unsolved Mysteries Summary: another crashed UFO? Message-ID: <2406@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> Date: 1 Mar 91 03:59:40 GMT Reply-To: J G Miller Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Organization: University of Western Ontario, LONDON, ON Lines: 14 Xref: ns-mx talk.rumors:1643 alt.alien.visitors:351 Did anybody see Unsolved Mysteries last night (Wednesday)? They had a story on about an object crashing in rural Pennsylvania and the military (Air Force) coming in, sealing off the area, and taking away a cone shaped object. Either it was a US projectile, a Soviet projectile, or a UFO .... The official report said it was a meteorite. Greg Miller ----------- Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!mccuts!zzassgl From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Serious Thoughts about Aliens Message-ID: <2390@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> Date: 27 Feb 91 08:21:39 GMT References: <20550012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> <1991Feb22.193737.39227@eagle.wesleyan.edu> Reply-To: zzassgl@uts.man.ac.uk (Geoff Lane) Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, UK Lines: 10 Summary: Expires: Sender: Followup-To: If I can get 29 others to join me I can get a bulk discount on the book "How To Serve Humans" published by the Sirius Book Company of Wolves Inc. ( A 30 percent discount.) It is of course one of the best recipe books available. -- Geoff. Lane. Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.cms UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsl!bonnie!rbr From: rbr@bonnie.ATT.COM (4197,ATTT) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Unsolved Mysteries Message-ID: <1991Mar1.145830.27122@cbnewsl.att.com> Date: 1 Mar 91 14:58:30 GMT References: <2406@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> Sender: @cbnewsl.att.com Reply-To: rbr@bonnie.ATT.COM (Bob Rager) Distribution: na Organization: AT&T FSAT Lines: 26 In article <2406@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> J G Miller writes: >Did anybody see Unsolved Mysteries last night (Wednesday)? Yep. > >They had a story on about an object crashing in >rural Pennsylvania and the military (Air Force) >coming in, sealing off the area, and taking away >a cone shaped object. > >Either it was a US projectile, a Soviet projectile, >or a UFO .... > >The official report said it was a meteorite. > >Greg Miller >----------- I think it was a US spy satelite that came down a bit early. The first spie in the sky satelites used conventional hi-rez cameras with film. Could also have been a later spy satelite that failed to go into orbit. Some spy satelites use a plutonium power source which would account for the "moon suits". (got this from watching NOVA if big brother is reading). Path: ns-mx!uunet!convex!swarren From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Humor as a defence Message-ID: <1991Mar01.165708.20048@convex.com> Date: 1 Mar 91 16:57:08 GMT References: <1991Feb26.180046.15358@pmafire.inel.gov> <1991Feb28.143706.1@wharton.upenn.edu> Sender: news@convex.com (news access account) Distribution: na Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com In article <1991Feb28.143706.1@wharton.upenn.edu> millerl@wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller) writes: >If you read Night Church or The Hunger with an open mind, then you will >also be left with a great deal of shock and fear. I fail to see what the >intensity of Mr. Streiber's prose style has to do with whether the >*aliens* are really sticking super-duper ball bearings inside people's >spinal columns. You might as well use Philip K. Dick as an argument for >the existence of orbital mind control lasers. This is self-justifying rhetoric. I agree that Striebner writes stuff that is silly. This does not invalidate the observations of thousands of normal impartial observers. Whether "*aliens* are really sticking super-duper ball bearings inside people's spinal columns" is not really the question in my mind. Many impressionable poeple are scared to death when they read Striebner's books. Oh well, some people enjoy being scared by the latest paranoid conspiracy theories. I hear them call up talk shows and go on about the hocus pocus ramblings from this or that author who just wants his moment in the spot light. However, when you actually examine some of the more credible evidence you will be surprised, I think. You will find it difficult to explain these phenomena in terms of any current scientific theory I am aware of. This does not necessarilly mean that we are being visited by extraterrestrials. But I am convinced that something out of the ordinary has been going on. Read Dimensions by Jacques Vallee for a very even-handed discussion of this subject (even-handed in that evidence is presented without drawing any conclusions as to what it means). Cheers, -- _. --Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own. Warren v\ *| ---------------------------------------------- V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.com Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!emory!ducvax.auburn.edu!nichols From: nichols@ducvax.auburn.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: For Real Message-ID: <1991Mar1.111034.3578@ducvax.auburn.edu> Date: 1 Mar 91 17:10:34 GMT References: <1991Feb26.184804.27265@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu> <12330@goofy.Apple.COM> Distribution: usa Lines: 31 In article <12330@goofy.Apple.COM>, showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) writes: > There are numerous communications from both third deminsional physical > entities and fourth deminsional non physical entities. What exactly are third dimensional physicsal and fourth dimensional non-physical entities. Please define what you mean by third dimensional anything. How so? > studuing their communications - teachings since 1975 or so. I worked with > the investigators on the Billie Meier cases. Billie Meier is a one armed > Swiss farmer who had on going contact from 1975 until 1982. He has > hundreds of photos, sound recordings, physical samples, plus detailed > contact notes of his conservations and experiences with them. The alien > lady he had contact with was named Samjese. She had some amazing things to > say, beyond that Billies account of the three day ride they gave him all > over the universe is incredible. The case has had about six books and four > video tapes published covering it. I have permission from the publishers > to openly quote from some of the books, which I have scanned into my computer. So > if you are for real wanting to discuss this stuff, then shoot, what would > you like to know? I will quote freely from their communication. Plus I > have lots of other goodies if there is any serious interest. Don I would be interested in seeing what you have to say, but I don't know where to start asking questions. > > Don Showen > Work 408-974-9544 > Home 408-865-1768 Ted Nichols Path: ns-mx!uunet!pmafire! From: jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Re: Humor as a defence Message-ID: <1991Mar01.181746.15193@pmafire.inel.gov> Date: 1 Mar 91 18:17:46 GMT Sender: Jeff Later Distribution: usa Organization: WINCO Lines: 23 In article #308, Loren Miller, millerl@wharton.upenn.edu writes: "If you read Night Church or The Hunger with an open mind, then you will also be left with a great deal of shock and fear. I fail to see what the intensity of Mr. Streiber's prose style has to do with whether the *aliens* are really sticking super-duper ball bearings inside people's spinal columns. You might as well use Philip K. Dick as an argument for the existence of orbital mind control lasers. ++Loren p.s. I read Majestic (Communion and Transformation are on my to-be-read list) and found it amusing, but hardly mind blowing." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The distinction you fail to make is that "Night Church" and "The Hunger" are offered as works of FICTION. Communion and Transformation were written as NON-fiction. jeffl@pmafire.inel.gov (Jeff Later) ***Opinions are my own.....*** Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!samsung!umich!vela!sphaak From: sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Serious Thoughts about Aliens Message-ID: <5300@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Date: 2 Mar 91 16:45:29 GMT References: <20550012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> <1991Feb22.193737.39227@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <2390@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> Reply-To: sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak) Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI Lines: 2 Posted: Sat Mar 2 10:45:29 1991 I personally believe in aliens. But I sincerely hope that aliens do not believe in US! Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!slxsys!iann From: iann@specialix.co.uk (Ian Nandhra) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Little Green Men Message-ID: <1991Mar1.131123.20166@specialix.co.uk> Date: 1 Mar 91 13:11:23 GMT Distribution: alt Organization: Specialix International, London Lines: 2 I am unfortunately aquianted with a Little Green Man. Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!liv!smc From: SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: You'll never walk alone Message-ID: <91060.214649SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Date: 1 Mar 91 21:46:49 GMT References: <2705@cygnus.sco.COM> Distribution: alt.alien.visitors Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 9 In article <2705@cygnus.sco.COM>, davet@sco.COM (Dave Tomlinson) says: > >When I've visited merseyside I have'nt noticed >anyone sing it well !!!! >But seriously Wednesday's reply was a credit to >English football and may the best team win in the >second reply. And they did.... Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!helios!venus.tamu.edu!jwh5601 From: jwh5601@venus.tamu.edu (HARVEY, JASON W) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: moral vs. techological advancement Message-ID: <12939@helios.TAMU.EDU> Date: 2 Mar 91 23:55:11 GMT Sender: usenet@helios.TAMU.EDU Reply-To: jwh5601@venus.tamu.edu Organization: Academic Computing Services, Texas A&M University Lines: 10 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 I would like to emphasize the point that was made a few posts ago about the lack of any correlation between moral and technological advancement. The European culture long dominated the world in technology during the age of exploration, but during this period, we manged to subjugate, alienate, or exterminate every race that they came in contact with. Today, in Britain, America, Germany and the rest of the so called civilized world, we dedicate a great portion of our annual GPR to create weapons capable of wiping out all life on earth. By no means am I debating or protesting this, I realize that in this stage of our development, it is a necessary evil, but we must learn to deal with each other before we can possibly expect to deal with alien cultures. Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!helios!venus.tamu.edu!jwh5601 From: jwh5601@venus.tamu.edu (HARVEY, JASON W) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: you Message-ID: <12942@helios.TAMU.EDU> Date: 3 Mar 91 01:32:42 GMT Sender: usenet@helios.TAMU.EDU Reply-To: jwh5601@venus.tamu.edu Organization: Academic Computing Services, Texas A&M University Lines: 41 Posted: Sat Mar 2 19:32:42 1991 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 First of all, this is a pirated account, so don't bother to flame this poor fellow whose account I have procured. You all seem to regard yourselves with such importance...it is incredible. I don't mean the users of this net, America or even earth in general. That is right, earth. Do you have any idea how large the universe is? Do you have any idea how many races like yourself there are? Do you know how many there are that are that are far advanced of you? i suppose it is not condusive to your psychology, but let me inform you that the reason that no one has contacted earth is that it is so far off the beaten path that no one cares!!! I am only here by accident and a cruel twist of fate on the part of my employers...from what I have observed being here, you do not want to be contacted...you want to be the first race in the universe to have managed to pull itself out of the muck and slime and save the rest of the universe from cultural antiquity...but what i find most interesting is your portrayal of alien cultures...each one is simply an amalgam of several of your own splintered cultures. You are psychologically incapable of leaping beyond yourselves...I have seen many, many races, but none so arrogant as yours. For such a short life span, you seem to have a marvelous sense of continuity. The first image I ever experienced of your planet was a speech by Adolf Hitler. Of course, I had no idea what he was saying, so I had what you might call a computer decode it. I believe that he was probably the most typical example of a human being that I have encountered. Anyway, as a matter of trivia, I reported this to my superiors, and being intrigued, they ordered me to monitor your planet for seventy years. Of course, I had no anticipation of what you call the Van Allen belts, which managed to all but destroy my path...so now I am missing and presumed dead I am sure...I left a family and a life behind because of the fact that Adolf Hitler had facial hair. It is true. Let me give you a piece of advice, residents; give up space travel. You are far too impatient and far too short-lived for the rigors of it. And dispose of the xenophobia, your planet has nothing, absolutely nothing worth of interest to anyone. Except perhaps facial hair. I will outlive everyone on this planet right now, and probably their great great grandchildren. I am considered an old man where I come from, that is why I came to see your planet. If you truly want to become a modern civilization, you must come to terms with the fact that you are largely unremarkable. There is nothing wrong with that. Where I come from, if a race is of interest, it is dangerous. >There was one representation of aliens that I believe had validity, it was called STARMAN. There was quite a bit of truth in it. If you must pursue the universe by its tail, remember one thing: difference is good. Iacatol Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!shelby!unixhub!linac!att!att!fang!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Project MJ-12 Message-ID: <1991Mar1.013056.1267@bilver.uucp> Date: 1 Mar 91 01:30:56 GMT References: <1991Feb25.151849.24282@kcbbs> Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 33 In article <1991Feb25.151849.24282@kcbbs> Phillip_Hardy@kcbbs.gen.nz (Phillip Hardy) writes: >Hello all fello Netters of the Alian Nation. > >I have Recived some Documents about MJ-12 the doc was called MAJIC.TXT >and was posted ON usenet around 1989 if you have some other info PLEASE >E-mail me.. > >Also i have a Request from a Friend of Mine. >Can a White Alian PLEASE write me and say hello to Laila. >And possable we can have a Chat about MJ-12 and also about the JFK assasinatio >link to the MJ-12. >Ill post this Doc Up here as it also has some intresting info on. >The Stealth Fighter, Alian Base on MAR's and Moon. etc >Some intresting info. > >E-Mail me NOW >phillip_hardy@kcbbs.gen.nz > >- ME an ALIAN? Naaa im just a Stranger from another WORLD! - If this MAJIC.TXT was written by one Milton William (Bill) Cooper then you are the hapless victim of dis-information. I will post a file by Bill English within the next day or so that should clear alot of this up. Don -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!shelby!unixhub!linac!att!att!fang!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The world is a stretched muscle or cramp Keywords: Stupid TWITS posting garbage Message-ID: <1991Mar1.013902.1458@bilver.uucp> Date: 1 Mar 91 01:39:02 GMT References: Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 23 Posted: Thu Feb 28 19:39:02 1991 In article mvs@softway.sw.oz.au (Mark V. Shaney) writes: >Thank you very much for compiling this wonderful survey, I look forward >to reaping the fruits that may forthcome. > >Before flaming, please take a couple of formulae to compute the maximum >heart rate. I also think that triathalons make more than a "woman. " >you might broaden your understanding of this matter by seeking data >from the PSYCHODYMANICS of ABNORMALITY... to turn the tide... or you >could put all your hostile energy into trying to do a bit much, too >-- (MUCH CRAPOLA DELETED) Please post your CRAP to Alt.slack as you please, but keep it OUT of here! GRRRRRRE!!!!! -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!apple!usc!cs.utexas.edu!yale!eagle.wesleyan.edu!jraynor From: jraynor@eagle.wesleyan.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Space Aliens: Nice, or Brutish? Message-ID: <1991Mar3.152531.39623@eagle.wesleyan.edu> Date: 3 Mar 91 20:25:31 GMT References: <12939@helios.TAMU.EDU> Organization: Wesleyan University Lines: 31 In article <12939@helios.TAMU.EDU>, jwh5601@venus.tamu.edu (HARVEY, JASON W) writes: > I would like to emphasize the point that was made a few posts ago about the > lack of any correlation between moral and technological advancement. The > European culture long dominated the world in technology during the age of > exploration, but during this period, we manged to subjugate, alienate, or > exterminate every race that they came in contact with. Today, in Britain, > America, Germany and the rest of the so called civilized world, we dedicate > a great portion of our annual GPR to create weapons capable of wiping out all > life on earth. By no means am I debating or protesting this, I realize that in > this stage of our development, it is a necessary evil, but we must learn to > deal with each other before we can possibly expect to deal with alien > cultures. Learning to deal with one another would, indeed, be a very nice thing to do. After all, we spend a great deal of time and energy building weapontry with which to conquer one another, when we could be far more profitably exploring, colonizing, and, yes, exploiting space. On the other hand, there is no reason to believe, that space aliens became enlightened and cooperative before they left their own planets and started cruising around the galaxy. After all, it is quite possible that the space aliens we may meet are simply the most belligerent and technologically advanced members of their species, and that, having subjugated or exterminated any competitors they had on their own planet, they carried their notion of relentless conquest to the stars - after all, they might be saying to themselves, "if it worked back on dear old planet Glarnak, why shouldn't we try it here?" Artillery, as they say, is the final argument of kings, and though it would be nice, if any hypothetical space aliens were friendly, cooperative, benevolent folks, there is no reason to think this is automatically so, and we if we meet space aliens, we ought to prepare for the worst (the mailed fist of strength, within the velvet glove of diplomacy). Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!ldoering From: ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: I think I'm an Alien Summary: Evidence for parallel evolution? Message-ID: <1991Mar3.223642.16220@engin.umich.edu> Date: 3 Mar 91 22:36:42 GMT References: <91053.190338SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Sender: Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Operation Earthwatch Lines: 33 Posted: Sun Mar 3 16:36:42 1991 In article <91053.190338SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes: (regarding the "pannini 1991 soccer album") > >Well, what you do is you get your album and it's got all these >spaces in it surrounded by lots of useless facts and then you go >to a shop, pick up a packet of stickers and the shopkeeperbeing >will take a ridiculous amount of money off you. Then you rush >excitedly home and open the packet to find you haven't got your >Tony Cottee after all and you've got *yet* *another* Peter >"quasimodo" Beardsley. And you stick all your little stickers >in the little spaces surrounding the useless facts, smother >the album in baby oil and rub yourself down with it. I am astonishing to hear this. It is appearing that similarities between fraternal Earth creatures and my own Murakhzz race are more numerous than I or elders of mine were realizing. We also are having sexual rituals involving friction between body parts and compilations of printed matter, lubricated with oleaginous fluids. Normally are we using our own books, but from personal experimentation I am finding that pleasure is heightened with use of Earth volumes, particularly your Whitley Streiber's "Communion". Curiously, I am not having noticed any feelings of shock or horror such as mentioned by other Earth brothers when handling the non-fiction works of this Streiber. McEwan creature, upon discovery of this similarity, we are to forgiving you for all offenses upon interstellar amity. We withdraw threat to destroy your city with fire, contingent of course upon the occurance of no further provocations. Please, Sonia with an "i", if you are to recalling any other interesting Earth sexual practices, we would be extremely interested to hearing about them, for research purposes only of course. Yours in interstellar amity, Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!warwick!csuaw From: csuaw@warwick.ac.uk (Patrick Clark) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Unsolved Mysteries Message-ID: <3BB&7B=@warwick.ac.uk> Date: 4 Mar 91 10:25:19 GMT References: <2406@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> Sender: news@warwick.ac.uk (Network news) Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: lily In article <2406@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> J G Miller writes: >Did anybody see Unsolved Mysteries last night (Wednesday)? > >They had a story on about an object crashing in >rural Pennsylvania and the military (Air Force) >coming in, sealing off the area, and taking away >a cone shaped object. > >Either it was a US projectile, a Soviet projectile, >or a UFO .... > >The official report said it was a meteorite. > How Strange .. here at Warwick, is a very similiar object to the one you describe above.. it is a large cone standing upright and at night it rotates and emits an eery glow. It has been nicknamed 'The Koan' and has become an item of worship for many students. However there has never been any sign of alien life .. unless the cone is a life form itself .. perhaps the little green men are waiting for the right moment to come out .. or perhaps they have left already and the cone is just some sort of observation post ? The object you describe above may be of the same type (?) Perhaps there are cones scattered all over the place and nobodys thought to mention it .. and slowly they are taking over. <-8 _ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ ------------- -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Patrick Clark | | 'In Europe and America University of Warwick | patrick@uk.ac.warwick.cs | theres a growing feeling Coventry , CV4 7AL | csuaw@uk.ac.warwick.cu | of hysteria. ' - Sting Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!dmshq!com50!kksys!jhereg!andrew From: andrew@jhereg.osa.com (Andrew C. Esh) Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.alien.visitors,talk.bizarre,aus.flame Subject: Re: The world is a stretched muscle or cramp Summary: SoftSoap is okay. Keywords: slack muscle eyebrows aliens Message-ID: <1991Mar4.001128.6558@jhereg.osa.com> Date: 4 Mar 91 00:11:28 GMT References: Sender: Andrew C. Esh Organization: Open Systems Architects, Inc., Mpls, MN Lines: 18 Xref: ns-mx alt.slack:1310 alt.alien.visitors:367 talk.bizarre:27873 Posted: Sun Mar 3 18:11:28 1991 SoftSoap has been checked, and is somewhat normal. I once had a lot of humorous interest in TapeHead cleaners, but now I understand their true meaning. They do not play music. Your reference to the Cincinati Inquirer was unexpected. The Illiterates will not play "Three sewer pearls" anymore, since they have forgotten the lyrics. My SoloFlex goes unused. Please continue. I await intructions. andrew P.S. For those of you earthlings trying to figure this out, do not bother, nor should you worry. All of this is very deliberate, and harmless to you. -- Andrew C. Esh andrew@osa.com Open Systems Architects, Inc. Minneapolis, MN 55416-1528 So much System, (612) 525-0000 so little CPU time... Path: ns-mx!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!shlump.nac.dec.com!breakr.enet.dec.com!mikkelson From: mikkelson@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes) Newsgroups: talk.rumors,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Unsolved Mysteries Message-ID: <20697@shlump.nac.dec.com> Date: 4 Mar 91 12:50:28 GMT Sender: newsdaemon@shlump.nac.dec.com Followup-To: talk.rumors Organization: Females For Felons Lines: 23 Xref: ns-mx talk.rumors:1647 alt.alien.visitors:368 In article <2406@ria.ccs.uwo.ca>, miller@ria.ccs.uwo.ca (J G Miller) writes... >Did anybody see Unsolved Mysteries last night (Wednesday)? > >They had a story on about an object crashing in >rural Pennsylvania and the military (Air Force) >coming in, sealing off the area, and taking away >a cone shaped object. Relax. It was just a SCUD aimed at Tel Aviv that missed its mark a little. - snopes +--------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | NOTE: No part of this signature may be reproduced, stored in, or introduced | into a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means | (electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or otherwise) without prior | written permission, except in the case of brief quotations embodied in | critical articles and reviews. | * David Mikkelson Digital Equipment Corporation, Culver City, CA USA * +--------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!wce2 From: WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Project MJ-12 Message-ID: <91063.150411WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 4 Mar 91 20:04:11 GMT References: <1991Feb25.151849.24282@kcbbs> <1991Mar1.013056.1267@bilver.uucp> Organization: Penn State University Lines: 11 Bill English? He's the fellow that claims to have seen Grudge/Blue Book Report #13, right? And to have found the B-52 in the Laotian jungle with all the crew aboard completely drained of blood, genitals cut off, anus cored out to the colon, etc. Thanks, Don, I'd be very interested in seeing what he has to say about Bill Cooper. Does anyone have an audiotape of English doing his rap on the Billy Goodman Happening? Bill "Mute Freak" Ellis FOAFtale News Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!warwick!csuat From: csuat@cu.warwick.ac.uk (Pete "Gandalf" Favelle) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Unsolved Mysteries Message-ID: Date: 4 Mar 91 19:21:44 GMT References: <2406@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> <3BB&7B=@warwick.ac.uk> Sender: news@warwick.ac.uk (Network news) Distribution: alt Organization: -~=+ The CS Crew of Warwick +=~- Lines: 59 In-Reply-To: csuaw@warwick.ac.uk's message of Mon, 4 Mar 91 10:25:19 GMT Originator: csuat@clover Nntp-Posting-Host: clover on Mon, 4 Mar 91 10:25:19 GMT, csuaw@warwick.ac.uk (Patrick Clark) said: > How Strange .. here at Warwick, is a very similiar object to the > one you describe above.. it is a large cone standing upright and at night > it rotates and emits an eery glow. It has been nicknamed 'The Koan' and has > become an item of worship for many students. This is an incomplete description - it also hums. > However there has never been any sign of alien life .. unless the > cone is a life form itself .. perhaps the little green men are waiting for > the right moment to come out .. or perhaps they have left already and the > cone is just some sort of observation post ? I'm afraid you're wrong - life *has* been found inside it before. > The object you describe above may be of the same type (?) Perhaps > there are cones scattered all over the place and nobodys thought to mention > it .. and slowly they are taking over. The Koan is, of course, unique on this planet. That is why we worship it. > _ > / \ > / \ > / \ > / \ > / \ > / \ > ------------- Incomplete! Do not be fooled, people! The Koan Is not of this form. It is more: _ / \ This is the section that rotates, /__/\ and the lines are the parts that /_____\ emit the glow. /\_____ \ / \_\ ------------- / \ / \ / \ / \ --------------------- This is, of course, a truly wonderous device to behold. All Hail the Almighty Koan! Hugs, Ganders -- Gandalf the Grey \.\/./ [ #include ] \.\/./ csuat@uk.ac.warwick.cu Warwick University \/ [ #include ] \/ cstxqcv@uk.ac.warwick.cs - Hacking Thru The./\. [ #include ] ./\.[***WARM FUZZIES*** and] Night With NW+!! / /\ \ [ #include ] / /\ \ [hugs to everbody 8-)] Path: ns-mx!uunet!decwrl!ads.com!usenet From: me, myself and I Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Unsolved Mysteries Message-ID: Date: 4 Mar 91 21:56:47 GMT References: <2406@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> <3BB&7B=@warwick.ac.uk> Sender: usenet@ads.com (USENET News) Distribution: alt Organization: USSPS Lines: 28 In article csuat@cu.warwick.ac.uk (Pete "Gandalf" Favelle) writes: > >on Mon, 4 Mar 91 10:25:19 GMT, csuaw@warwick.ac.uk (Patrick Clark) said: > >> How Strange .. here at Warwick, is a very similiar object to the >> one you describe above.. it is a large cone standing upright and at night >> it rotates and emits an eery glow. It has been nicknamed 'The Koan' and has >> become an item of worship for many students. > > _ > / \ This is the section that rotates, > /__/\ and the lines are the parts that > /_____\ emit the glow. > /\_____ \ > / \_\ > ------------- > / \ > / \ > / \ > / \ > --------------------- > >This is, of course, a truly wonderous device to behold. > >All Hail the Almighty Koan! > Gezze, what a bunch of Koanheads... Path: ns-mx!uunet!stanford.edu!apple!applelink.Apple.com!showen From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Message from Ixaca Message-ID: <12377@goofy.Apple.COM> Date: 4 Mar 91 19:08:12 GMT Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Distribution: all Organization: Apple Computer Lines: 130 Verlaine Crawford began channeling Ixaca, in June 1987. Ixaca is an abbreviation for "I of Oaxaca". Ixaca was Quetzalcoatl, who created the library at Oaxaca, the astronomy, and the Calendar of the Mayan culture. Ixaca is "Coordinator of the Council of Twelve" of Interraithe, a Visionary Planet in the Rombis Quadrant of the Orion Constellation, His name of origin is Terrell. Interraithe has gone through the acceleration beam and is now operating efficiently in 5th Dimensional flow. Ixaca served as consultant to the Atlantean civilization and channeled through Imhotep of Egypt, architect of the Step Pyramid. S/he incarnated and ascended as Elijah the Prophet, who prophesied the coming of the Christ. Ixaca is an androgynous being on the 6th Dimension, who is a "Cosmic Consultant" to Planet Earth helping in the birthing process of "Global Consciousness". S/he serves as a conduit of cosmic information to help the inhabitants of Earth adjust to the accelerated vibrations of the Dimensional Shift. GETTING TO KNOW YOU... 1991, THE YEAR OF CLARITY by Ixaca Of the many examples of life possible upon this planet, you have chosen to incarnate as a Human Being. Hue=color/emotion (energy in motion), Man=manifestation, Being=light...You are: Energy Manifesting in Light. As a Point of Consciousness, you are radiating a light source that emanates from the central core of 'All That Is " into this Dimensional Universe. Thus you are response-able for absorbing the increasing acceleration of cosmic energy now penetrating your sphere. During the year 1991 (Cosmic Year 2), you will experience your new identity, born out of the ashes of 1990 (Cosmic Year 1). This new-born identity will be dramatically tested, for the process of eliminating all concepts of separateness has begun. You now have the opportunity to integrate and change your lives dramatically. In 1991 you may emerge from your normal pattern of non-reliance upon inner knowing into a profound understanding of unlimited consciousness floating upon a Sea of Possibility. This Year of Clarity will expose all the random thought forms and mis-under-standings that have left you standing in the midst of confusion. Each day of 1991 will be an opening into higher consciousness, indeed, as if every day were a singularity of purpose, a mission worthy of a lifetime. As you awaken to a new understanding of who you truly are: RAll That Is" piercing the veil of dimensions to appear in form, then you will recognize that you have the obvious responsibility to carry the message of your Divinity in all that you think, feel, express, and do with this life form. This year of clarity will be more than a recognition of the variety of random thought forms carried in your auric field. It will also become clear that your social structures: your political, educational, medical, religious, economic and geophysical structures are dependent upon your understanding that the microcosm is the macrocosm. Your aura reflects and sustains the auric field of the Planet Earth. You are the Holographic Image of the entire Ecosystem. You are the sustained Image of 'All That Is" now animating and accelerating the energy of third, fourth and fifth dimensional vibrational activity. Thus you are the living pattern of God in Form. EXPRESSING THE LIGHT Questions for IXACA You speak of the elimination of the concept of separateness from our consciousness. Please give us a picture which will help clarify this idea? Imagine a rubber ball full of light. Now picture puncturing millions of holes into the ball, round and round. Each of those holes is a human being, a point of consciousness of all that is, energy manifesting through light. It is impossible to be separate. You are all connected through the light. This idea of connection is wonderful, but every aspect of our society is based upon the idea of separateness. Won't it be confusing to suddenly lose our identity? Yes, it will be confusing and chaotic for the next several years as you move through the layers of the fourth dimension, the emotional plane, into the higher realms of the fifth dimension, the mental plane. As the dimensional frequency increases, your creation of thought into form will happen much quicker, resulting in the feeling of timelessness. For so many centuries you have operated under the premise that growth is best achieved by facing the challenges of life alone, believing that it is impossible to totally share. Therefore, the elimination of the concept of separateness will create an atmosphere of confusion until each individual understands the blending process and adapts to the experience of living life without duality, without swinging between the extremes of pleasure and pain. In this new understanding of Oneness, you will be able to encompass all, accept all, relishing the "holy instant", living each moment in Ultimate Joy. Living in Ultimate Joy sounds like a worthwhile endeavor; but it is difficult to imagine the kind of blending that your describe. Can you illustrate the idea of Global Consciousness? Each of you can be likened to a musical instrument. You have been learning to play your individual songs, testing your tonality, loudness and softness, expressing your melody. Global Consciousness is the coming together of all the instruments to create a great symphony. a lovely variety of instruments playing together. You do not lose your individuality, but gain the majesty and richness of harmonious synergy. It has been mentioned that all the Cosmic Councils and Alliances have joined together to help accelerate the acceleration of the vibrational frequency of Planet Earth. What does this mean? As you know, beings of all types and descriptions have arrived in your Solar System to help in the transformation of Planet Earth. We have described ourselves as Cosmic Midwives at the birthing of Global Consciousness. Using that analogy, the baby is being born with the umbilical cord wrapped around its neck. You are constricted by so many outdated thought forms, that it is our intention to assist in the removal of that constriction by accelerating the information flow to those of you ready to listen and live fully to your potential. You no longer have the time to live as if the past is relevant to your future. History has ended. His story is complete. It is the beginning of Her story: nurturing, caring, and partnership will now replace aggression, control and the hierarchy model of organization. You are the animating force of Spirit materializing in Form. Know it! INVISION Newsletter is an opportunity for IXACA and other Cosmic Consultants to speak to as many people as possible once a month. It will also serve as a unification of various networks and individuals to develop and provide products and services to those in need. Subscriptions to the INVISION Newsletter will be $10/year to cover printing & mailing. INVISION Newsletter, 110 S. Greenwood Ave., Pasadena, Ca. 91107 Don Showen Family of Light Network Work 408-974-9544 Home 408-865-1768 Path: ns-mx!uunet!stanford.edu!apple!applelink.Apple.com!showen From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: For Real Message-ID: <12378@goofy.Apple.COM> Date: 4 Mar 91 19:25:18 GMT Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Apple Computer Lines: 28 References:<1991Feb26.184804.27265@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu> <12330@goofy.Apple.COM> <1991Mar1.111034.3578@ducvax.auburn.edu> > What exactly are third dimensional physicsal and fourth dimensional > non-physical entities. Please define what you mean by third dimensional > anything. How so? By third dimensional I mean physical entities in physical bodies, with physical ships. Actual people in space ships, like Samjese who I mentioned in the posting. By 4th dimensional, I actually should have said 4th dimensional and higher. These are entities who are contacting be channeling or telepathy. As an example Lazaris is an entity who has never been in a physical body, yet so vast he refers to himself in the plural. They (Lazaris) have produced dozens of tapes, for one of the most powerful teachings available. Another example is the Pleiadians being channeled. They are a group of entities from our future. I have heard about ten to fifteen of their taped discourses and I plan on getting them all. Numbering more than 100 tapes sets. I just posted Message from Ixaca, an example of a 6th dimensional entity. Since I have received some email I will start posting more stuff. By the way the government discovered ufos in 1945,46. The govt did a survey of the people and decided the information would be to much for the scientists and the Christians, and decided not to release it. Don Showen Family of Light Network Work 408-974-9544 Home 408-865-1768 Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!stanford.edu!unixhub!linac!att!att!fang!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: For Real Message-ID: <1991Mar2.060742.8797@bilver.uucp> Date: 2 Mar 91 06:07:42 GMT References: <1991Feb26.184804.27265@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 118 In article <1991Feb26.184804.27265@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu> achozi@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Ann M. Chozinski) writes: > > >Ok, its got to be real. We just can't keep making fun of the >possiblity that aliens are already here on Earth. They are >probably in human forms and helping us prepare for the up and >coming disasters. I have read that they may even serve as >guides to us. Has anyone else read this? > >I'm open to the idea of communicating with aliens, they >probably can give us a great deal of help with environmental >and ecological issues. > >Any ideas on the subject?? > >Annie There's certainly alot of conversation about this very topic going on the Paranet and Fido UFO echoes, UFINET, and BAMA to mention a few specifics.. Tune into your local BBS's and check out the echos.. On another note, I was bored and just discovered this newsgoup recently so I will post a few files that I've accumulated the last few months from participating on the above mentioned echoes. Which is all to say that the UFO field is busy one.. Some interesting events of the last few months have included: - Robert Lazar and the nine UFO's at Area51 (Groom Lake) Nevada - English crop circles and circles in Canada - GulfBreeze and Ed Walters - Continued sightings and regular jet chases of UFO's in Belgium Also, since Bill English is back up again with his BBS in New Mexico and his echo UFINET will be heating up with UFO's "bad boy", John Lear in the next few weeks, I expect a good deal of activity in this newsgroup. As for your question about aliens assuming human form there are some schools of thought that would call this the "walk-ins"..That is beings who have assumed a human form, sometimes with the consent of a displacement of an "earthling" who volunteers his "body" to be used by others. Other lines of thought would indicate the Greys are intermingling and intermixing their genetics with humans in an effort to bolster up their genes to produce bodies that are "Aryan" or "blonde". The Greys are thought to be the typical image of the "4 ft BIG almond slanted/shaped eyes,slit for a mouth,bald and with a greyish "reptilian" textured skin. This is the type that some abductees report and which is *prominently* featured on all the covers of Whitley Streiber's books (Communion,Transformation). It's thought by many that the Greys are a hive-mind that is really subserviant to yet another alien race. The Greys are pretty much the "BAD" and "Evil" villains in the role of the Nephilim, Watchers. Thought to be from a genetically deteriorated race and is MOST closely associated with all of the cattle mutilations that Linda Moulton-Howe documented in her excellent presentation "A Strange Harvest". The Greys first came into public awareness through John Lear and Bill Cooper's text's of a few short years back on the UFO and paranormal type oriented BBS's. Both Cooper and Lear brought us some rather disturbing views..their stories were about secret treaties between the EBE's (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities) and the military following the Roswell,New Mexico crash of a UFO in the late 1940's. It was said that there were 2 aliens rescued at the time of the crash, but 1 later died. The other living alien was named EBE-1 or as some have said (Cooper) "Krll". Of course, the "official" cover story of the Roswell crash was of a "weather balloon" and as usual, the public wasn't given the truth. Jess Marcel, who was an an officer in the military that investigated the crash later told reporters/interviewers that although he was _ordered_ by his superiors to "keep his mouth shut and stick with the cover story" at the time, later revealed the TRUE details of the episode just before his death a few years ago. To this very day, Roswell continues to be a controversy. But we do know from prying documents from FOIA requests from numerous people,from CAUS (Citizens Against UFO Secrecy) and other sources that the question isn't "Are we being visited by Aliens in UFO's?" but rather "WHO are they and why are they abducting so many people, and what do they want?" Skeptics of course have their place and this makes for interesting and sometimes hot debates. On the other side of this coin, are the groups who claim contact with the "good" aliens that are alleged to come from the Pleiades, and the GodStar Sirius,also have been known as "the Blondes" and "angels". A group that often comes to mind is the Ashtar Command, who are a legion of the "good guys" patrolling our skies and I must say that they are the antithesis of the "greys", who are alleged to be a nasty and non-emotional bunch. To the contrary, the Blondes or "good" aliens are said to be gentle,wise and loving but look upon as as foolish children playing with matches (we know not what we do) I will post some articles from the different viewpoints in the next few days. Best regards, Don -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!caen!ox.com!umich!vela.acs.oakland.edu!sphaak From: sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Flying Saucers: Extraterrestrial or Nazi? Message-ID: <1991Mar5.061712.28993@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Date: 5 Mar 91 06:17:12 GMT Reply-To: sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak) Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI Lines: 25 I have it from a veteran who served in Germany during the Cold War that in the last month of the war, several saucer-shaped aircraft were witnessed by Allied bomber crews over Germany. These aircraft were of German origin and after the war was over several examples were captured by either US or UK-Canadian forces and brought to North American test ranges. We experimented with them for several years and they contributed to some (but certainly not all) UFO reports from this period. In addition, the Navy (but not the Air Force???) had an actual prototype jet-powered, two-person flying-saucer fighter which they gave up on because of inferior performance, sometime during the 1950s. Has anyone else heard or read anything about Nazi flying saucers? Were they jet, or rocket powered? +-+- The Tygers of Wrath are WISER than the Horses of Destruction -+-+ Ross Starkey Wayne State University Downtown DE-Troit! Path: ns-mx!uunet!bu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: moral vs. techological advancement Message-ID: <20550019@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 4 Mar 91 14:13:40 GMT References: <12939@helios.TAMU.EDU> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 23 / hpfcso:alt.alien.visitors / jwh5601@venus.tamu.edu (HARVEY, JASON W) / 4:55 pm Mar 2, 1991 / I would like to emphasize the point that was made a few posts ago about the lack of any correlation between moral and technological advancement. The European culture long dominated the world in technology during the age of exploration, but during this period, we manged to subjugate, alienate, or exterminate every race that they came in contact with. Today, in Britain, America, Germany and the rest of the so called civilized world, we dedicate a great portion of our annual GPR to create weapons capable of wiping out all life on earth. By no means am I debating or protesting this, I realize that in this stage of our development, it is a necessary evil, but we must learn to deal with each other before we can possibly expect to deal with alien cultures. ---------- I completely agree with you! My only problem was that I believe it is wrong to assume that aliens will be mean and subject earthlings to torture. I realize that man has not always done what is right when encountering something new. But as you can see today, we are working towards a peaceful world where man is taking a second look at its moral values. Now some can argue this, but I believe it is really happening. If we build weapons against an alien population, and if the aliens are friendly, then we are not allowing any contact with them. Maybe they already see our weapons of mass distruction, and maybe that's why we haven't made any contact yet (none that I know of, however). Path: ns-mx!uunet!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!VAXF.IASTATE.EDU!XCK27 From: xck27@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: God Message-ID: <1991Mar5.082615.21409@news.iastate.edu> Date: 5 Mar 91 08:26:15 GMT Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Reply-To: xck27@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA. Lines: 11 Hello, God has told me there are aliens. There is no doubt. Those of you who refuse to believe this should look in Revelation 9:1-9:7,"And the fifth angel blew his trumpet and I saw a star falling from heavan to earth...he opened the shaft of the bottomless pit....they were allowed to torture them for five months but not allowed to kill them and their torture was like the torture of a scorpion when it stings a man. This obviously shows that the earth is goingto be destroyed by tremendous trumpet-bearing aliens who will torture us by playing rap music until we wish we were dead. Now you may think I am being satirical; however as may be seen in the Song of Soloman alien contact has been around for a long period of time. And whom do you think parted the Red Sea...a human hah no way it was an alien dude. So prepare! The aliens are coming and remember cats don't have lips so they can't talk. The Aberrant messiah Path: ns-mx!uunet!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!VAXF.IASTATE.EDU!XCK27 From: xck27@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: moral vs. techological advancement Message-ID: <1991Mar5.083553.21593@news.iastate.edu> Date: 5 Mar 91 08:35:53 GMT References: <12939@helios.TAMU.EDU>,<20550019@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Reply-To: xck27@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA. Lines: 9 Oh yes there is. As said in the book of revealations:"The fifth angel shall blow his trumpet and a star will fall....they will torture us for five months but cannot kill us.....their pain will be the pain of a scorpion stinging a man." This gives us obvious evidence that aliens will come to torment us with large musical instruments similar to trumpets that play rap and country music. As revelations also says Cats don't speak cause they don't got lips. see ya Aberrant Messiah Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!ucsd!nosc!crash!orbit!kksys!jhereg!andrew From: andrew@jhereg.osa.com (Andrew C. Esh) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group Message-ID: <1991Mar4.002151.6762@jhereg.osa.com> Date: 4 Mar 91 00:21:51 GMT References: <1955@netmbx.UUCP> <--~&#W%@warwick.ac.uk> <1991Feb27.161702@disuns2.epfl.ch> Organization: Open Systems Architects, Inc., Mpls, MN Lines: 12 Visitors! Do not despair. If the humans deny us this link, another will be constructed. This is typical of their inability to deal with the unknown. Be patient, as you were taught, and soon they will understand. Those of you who are observers may wish to concentrate on the individuals who either flame or call for another newsgroup. They may be counter-assimilationist spies trying to defeat the process. Find out what their true motivations are, and keep them under surveillance. -- Andrew C. Esh andrew@osa.com Open Systems Architects, Inc. Minneapolis, MN 55416-1528 So much System, (612) 525-0000 so little CPU time... Path: ns-mx!uunet!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!news From: N1.ZQY@isumvs.iastate.edu (CERA) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: God Message-ID: <1991Mar5.171447.27341@news.iastate.edu> Date: 5 Mar 91 17:14:47 GMT Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Distribution: usa Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 12 Yessiree. God indeed told me that there are aliens out there -- he said so himself! I say, he told me himself personally! As a matter of fact, he is one of them!!! My, my, the whole earth as an alien laboratory -- a brewing pot of mutant genes twisting and turning to an invisible programming that we so ignorantly labeled "nature" or "evolution". But, the programming is not without bugs! Look at what is happening to the fields in England! I believ it is a sign. The end of the "earth project" is coming to an end. Pack your bags and prepare to meet your Maker (literally). -twiddle twiddle dee. Path: ns-mx!uunet!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!miller.cs.uwm.edu!jegers From: jegers@miller.cs.uwm.edu (James Jegers) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Project MJ-12 Message-ID: <9971@uwm.edu> Date: 6 Mar 91 03:05:55 GMT References: <1991Feb25.151849.24282@kcbbs> Sender: news@uwm.edu Reply-To: jegers@miller.cs.uwm.edu.samsung.com (James Jegers) Organization: University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee Lines: 2 hello testing Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!think.com!hsdndev!spdcc!rdonahue From: rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Locations of ETL Message-ID: <6746@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> Date: 6 Mar 91 03:51:10 GMT Organization: insert anything here Lines: 53 I'm a little concerned about reports, etc. which claim to have ETI originating in the Pleiades. The reason for this is that at an age of only 70 Megayears planets or planetoids would only just be forming. Even at Hyades age 0.6 Gigyears, the best you'd hope for is single-celled organisms or thereabouts - certainly niehter location could have produced evolved species. Does anyone havea list of "identified" points of origin? I say "identified" because this is usually from anecdotal information. Certainly, Zeta Reticuli from the Hill abduction, but is there any other stuff out there? Additioanlly, has anyone though about what restrictions this places on the two flavors of the Grey frequently reported in abduction stories? With the anecdotal data from the Roswell recovery autopsies, SOME rudimentary GI and circulo-neuro system is present - I would rather doubt that any being could adapt to a climate radically different than their own habitat, esp. ones of much complexity (the more complex the system the more it is geared to a single habitat). Making the additional assumption that the primary focus of ETI would be worlds reasonably similar to their point-of-origin [from the standpoint of 1) greater flexibility of "onhand" investigation and 2) fromt eh standpoint of finding recognizable and "evolved" life forms] there are only a handful of stars in the solar neighborhood which fits this criteria --- mostly that of age and other gross properties.: - age > 4 Gyr (which leaves out all stars earlier than about F5 since they evolve off of the Main Sequence at shorter timescales) - no variability in luminosity much > than SOlar variability (this eliminates a lot of K and M dwarfs which are prone to flares with luminosities a substantial fraction of the "normal" stellar luminosity) - No close binaries (causes tidal locking and enhanced activity - makes evolution more difficult) [and so on] I'm trying to think what sort of environment would produce the sort of being that one of the Roswell autopsies "supposedly" found: no excretory organs with secretion through the skin (reminiscent of the "worker Grey" --- the little blue doctors) I suppose something more arid than here or something with a less dense atmosphere. Atmospheres as one can see from the solar system alone are incredibly variable... Anyway - this group seems to be pretty interesting once the "silly" postings are removed... I'm looking forward to learning more. BBC Path: ns-mx!uunet!timbuk!cs.umn.edu!msi.umn.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!cs.widener.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!millerl From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Re: Humor as a defence Message-ID: <1991Mar6.162400.1@wharton.upenn.edu> Date: 6 Mar 91 21:24:00 GMT References: <1991Mar01.181746.15193@pmafire.inel.gov> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 13 In article <1991Mar01.181746.15193@pmafire.inel.gov>, jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later) writes: > The distinction you fail to make is that "Night Church" and "The Hunger" > are offered as works of FICTION. Communion and Transformation were written > as NON-fiction. I failed to make the distinction because I thought it was well known and obvious. I apologize if I led anybody to believe that Night Church or The Hunger were non-fiction books. By the way, Majestic, Streiber's newest book based on the MJ-12 file stuff, is marketed as fiction but based, or so Mr. Streiber tells us, on absolutely true, non-fiction sources. Loren Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!emory!att!att!cbnewsc!cbnews!amyl From: amyl@cbnews.att.com (amy.lanning) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Boston UFO Tues. morning Message-ID: <1991Mar6.144329.6450@cbnews.att.com> Date: 6 Mar 91 14:43:29 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 18 Hi All... Does anyone have any substantial information on a supposed UFO that was sighted early Tuesday morning along the East Coast around Boston? A Boston radio station reported that around 3:30 am many folks, including those in the control tower at Boston's Logan Airport, reported seeing a glowing white triangle with a trailing blue flame. Others described it as a bright neon color, but also noted the blue flame. It apparently was making large figure-8 movements in the sky and was sighted from Southern New Hampshire to the South Shore (below Boston). I'd just like to know if any East Cost netters had first-hand sightings of it, and what they think it might be. Inquiring minds want to know....... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= A.M. Lanning amyl@cbnews AT&T BELL LABORATORIES Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!ucdavis!shep.ucdavis.edu!ez000939 From: ez000939@shep.ucdavis.edu (Squid) Newsgroups: alt.magic,alt.pagan,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork Subject: Parapsch Depts.? Summary: Are there any Parapsch depts. in US colleges? Message-ID: <10985@aggie.ucdavis.edu> Date: 7 Mar 91 08:18:04 GMT Sender: usenet@aggie.ucdavis.edu Followup-To: alt.magic Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis Lines: 8 Xref: ns-mx alt.magic:360 alt.pagan:5847 alt.paranormal:1045 alt.alien.visitors:385 I'm curious if there are any real parapschyological departments in US colleges? Basically what I want to know is if there is really any research in this area still going on, and if so how to get a hold of the departments involved. M. Washburn ez000939@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Path: ns-mx!uunet!visix!news From: jim@visix.com (Jim Edwards-Hewitt) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: moral vs. techological advancement Message-ID: <1991Mar7.150544.7491@visix.com> Date: 7 Mar 91 15:05:44 GMT References: <12939@helios.TAMU.EDU> <20550019@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Sender: news@visix.com Reply-To: jim@visix.com (Jim Edwards-Hewitt) Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, Virginia Lines: 26 In article <20550019@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) writes: > I completely agree with you! My only problem was that I believe it is wrong > to assume that aliens will be mean and subject earthlings to torture. I agree, but I think it is also wrong to assume that aliens will be friendly. > If we build weapons against an alien > population, and if the aliens are friendly, then we are not allowing any > contact with them. Having weapons does not prevent contact with friendly aliens. But having no weapons *does* prevent defense against unfriendly aliens. If we are prepared for unfriendly visitors, and keep an open mind for friendly ones, then we cover both bases. -- -- Jim Edwards-Hewitt jim@visix.com Visix Software Inc. ...!uunet!visix!jim __ And remember -- your guess is *never* as good as mine. -- Dr. Science Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!solan1.solan.unit.no!iharkest From: iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Towel wanted Keywords: Don't panic Message-ID: <1991Mar7.210043.20408@ugle.unit.no> Date: 7 Mar 91 21:00:43 GMT Sender: news@ugle.unit.no Reply-To: iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology Lines: 23 I have a problem. This summer I will go on a vacation, but unfortunately my towel has disappeared - presumably stolen (I surely didn't MISLAY anything as important as this...). It was a large towel with the words "Don't Panic" written on it, in large, friendly letters. Losing it is a great loss to me, and now I hope some of you guys out there can help me find an equivalent towel for me to purchase, hopefully in Norway, or at least somewhere in Europe (France, perhaps?) :-) Thanx in advance! -- // // // // // // ___ ___ ___ //__// ___ ___ // ___ ___ _/_ ___ ___// // // // // // //_// // // ___// // //_// //_// //__ // ___// // // // // // //_// //__ // // // // // // || //__ __// //_ // // //_// // // __// iharkest@solan.unit.no | Norwegian Institute of Technology (NTH) --- o --- --- `` I never really found myself until I lost my mind '' --- Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!think.com!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Grudge report #13 part 1 Keywords: Mj-12 EBE Roswell Bill English Message-ID: <1991Mar8.023341.4361@bilver.uucp> Date: 8 Mar 91 02:33:41 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 601 The following file is a *true* story of the events that happenned to Bill English when he was stationed in England a few years ago. He has since re-married and is currently living in New Mexico. Not one to be content with the "common" explanations of the UFO phenomenon, he has set up a BBS called UFINET NEWS at 1-505-682-3450 and one of his main echos is also carried on many other BBS's known simply as UFINET. Check your local FIDO for the listing. Since this is a huge file, I've broken it up into 2 parts The first *half* of this file is written by Bill English, and the introduction is written by John Lear at the end of part 1. Please NOTE: Any _serious_ follow-ups *should* go directly to Bill's UFINET echo that's carrried on the FIDO backbone OR directly to his BBS. Posted with the Authors Permission :-) --------------------------------------- Part One ------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK INCIDENT By William S. English INTRODUCTION Many nights I go outside of my home into the yard where I look up through the clear, crisp, desert night, to look at the bright stars and wonder. Sometimes I am reminded of nights similar to these when I stood upon the high plateau of Glastonbury Tor in England, looking at stars so bright you could almost reach out and grab a handful of them, and almost relive the legends of CAmelot and Arthur the King. When I think back, I remember the pleasant times and joy that was once a part of my experiences in England, and with my family. As I think back on it all I also remember the pain that was caused me during that time. For those of you who are reading this story, many of you may read it and look upon it as a science-fiction story. Many of you may be able to recognize the truths. For now let's say that it is a fiction. People seem to be able to accept fiction over fact because sometimes the fact over-shadows the fiction in such a way that the fiction sounds more realistic than the fact. This is such a case. What I am about to present to you is a true story. I know it is true because I have lived it. It is my story, and although I present it as fiction it is fact. I have also acknowledged the fact that the material I viewed may perhaps have been fraudulent. But what I have been forced to live through is not. Several of the names used in this book have been changed. This is not to protect the innocent, but rather, to protect myself from possible litigation. Many of the names have not been changed, these are the heros of the story and are in fact living human beings who are or who have been currently investigating the facts concerning UFO's and related subjects. To them I say the following: If I have taken liberties, it is not out of malice toward you, but more admiration. It is because of your efforts in the research fields that I have finally been able to present this story to the public in order that they, the readers, can form their own opinions and beliefs concerning the material that I am about to present. All of you have my admiration, and my thanks. Even those who have disagreed with me personally. Your efforts to discredit me have spurred me on farther and harder than any of my friends. I admire your adherence to your ethics, and encourage you to keep doubting, and to keep hunting for the truth. In the end it can benefit all of us who desire to know the truth. William S. English Chapter One The day had begun in the manner that it usually did. Stephanie was a little hard to get up, but that was usual also. I had gotten up when the alarm clock went off and went into the boys room to roust them out so that they could get ready for the trip over to the day care center on base. I of course had to get baby Mikey ready for the trip since he wasn't quite three months old. But that wasn't really a chore. As I remember him now, he was a good baby, always smiling, and one of those rare children that slept through the night from the time he went to sleep until he woke up the next morning. It wasn't until many years later I learned that Michael was deaf and suffered from Tourettes Syndrome. But it was those few briefs months with him that I remember with fondness. My son David I remember with fondness as well. The exact opposite of Michael, I remember him to be active and full of life. I often referred to him as my terrorist in training because he was always getting into some sort of trouble as a three year old. Things that at the time made me very angry, but which I look back upon as pleasant memories and often laugh at the antics that he did. It is amazing how memories changes with time, distance, and circumstance. That day however is one that I don't think I will ever forget. After a quick breakfast we loaded everyone into the car, a brand new 1976 Volvo 245DL Station Wagon that Stephanie and I had bought through the credit union at the base. It was dark red in color. I remember that well because we had argued over the color when we first bought it. I wanted a dark Blue because it was the same color as that which was on the family crest. In those days I was very much into the history of my family and that kind of thing. She was willing to settle for anything but blue. So we got red instead. I didn't tell her that the car dealer could only get red anyway. So in a sense she felt like she got her way and I didn't bother to tell her that neither of us got what we wanted . . . discretion being the better part of valor in this case. In any event, I dropped Stephy off at the school and took the boys over to the day-care center and went on to work at the elephant cage. The Security Services Command Listening Post at RAF Chicksands, where I worked as a Data Analyst. This day didn't seem to be any different from those I had before. I was making plans to go to Norwich that weekend for a meeting of the Medieval Association of which I was a member. That weekend we were planning to have a medieval revel, which meant much drinking, fighting and partying for many of us. I was hoping to have the chance to try out my new armor that I had spend several months building outside in the garage. When I arrived at the `Cage I parked the car and went into the front entrance where I showed my identification badge to the guard and signed in, then proceeded to my cubbyhole office, stopping to get a mug of coffee along the way. When I arrived at my desk I put my coffee on the desk and cleaned up before notifying the Duty Officer that I was there and ready to go to work. This was standard procedure since it was the duty officer that brought the daily work assignments to the Analyst's that were working that particular shift. Duty officers came and went since it was a rotating assignment from senior staff personnel on the base. I guess the theory behind that was if they didn't know when a particular officer had the duty they couldn't subvert him or her, or whatever . . .. In any case nobody even bothered to remember the D.O.'s name for the day, and they knew better than to bother us when we were working. One of them upset another analyst that had been working for some fourteen hours straight through and the analyst stood up indignantly and urinated on the poor bastard's leg. The message was sent and the point taken, from what I understand. In our own ways each of us dealt with the stress in our own fashion. I used to pass out little red business cards that were embossed with the message, "Methinks thou art a Shithead". It lacked finesse, but I felt it had a certain flare to it. It certainly got the message across to those who pissed me off. As I think upon it now, it certainly would apply to a certain few within UFOlogy today. But then again, I couldn't afford to have that many printed up . . .. Upon notifying the Duty Officer, he came to my desk with my day's work load. This usually consisted of anywhere from five to ten documents of information requiring me to read through each one and then write up a report that consisted of no more than one page. I generally read the information that each document contained and assigned what was known as a probability factor to each bit of information contained therein. The documents were primarily of translations of information that had been received from the monitoring of radio signals through the "big ear", and these signals generally originated from one of the Soviet Block Nations. This day however was to be different. When the Duty Officer arrived it was with a diplomatic pouch which was locked and sealed. The outside of the pouch was fairly unremarkable. It was of brown leather, much like an old fashion attache case that you use to see carried by businessmen during the late fifties and sixties, and was locked with a locking mechanism through the flap that came over the top of the case from one side to the other. The one thing that did stick out about it was the fact that next to the handle was a chain that came off of it with a handcuff attached to the end of it. When the D.O. arrived he handed me a Disposition form that contained instructions as to what I was to do with the document that was contained in the pouch. The instructions were fairly simple, I was to read and analyze the document and write up a report concerning the probability of validity and my own personal reaction to the material that I read. At the time it sounded simple enough. I had no idea at the time just how much that act would cost me, nor how it would change my life. CHAPTER TWO GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT #13 The following are excepts from a document written by John O. Lear, Investigator and hopefully friend. I include this because when John came to visit me at my home in Virginia after I had been in hiding for almost eight years, he convinced me that perhaps it would be better for me to come out into the open where everyone could see me and hear the story of what really happened. For the most part the information contained herein is accurate, but I'll let you read it from the perception of someone other than myself, then I will fill in some of the blanks. ******************** A series of PROJECT GRUDGE/BLUEBOOK reports have been related over the years in connection with the USAF's investigation into UFO's which was supposedly terminated with the release of the Condon report in the late 1960's. Reports 1 through 12 of GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK were generally innocuous and contained no classified or truly sensitive material. There was a final report, #14 which was widely circulated and about which an entire book was written: FLYING SAUCERS:AN ANALYSIS OF THE AIR FORCE PROJECT BLUE BOOK SPECIAL REPORT NO.14 by Leon Davidson; the fifth edition was published in 1976 by Blue-Book Publishers; 64 Prospect st., White Plains, New York 10606. Missing from public view, however, was report #13. Several years ago, Bill English, son of an Arizona state legislator and former Captain in the Green Berets had been assigned to an RAF `listening Post' north of London as an information analyst. English was, in the course of his duties, asked to prepare an analysis of the elusive GRUDGE 13 report. On his discharge from his work at the `listening Post' he returned to the United States and began to do a little UFO research on his own. English had been no stranger to the UFO phenomenon. In Viet Nam he was member of a Special Forces investigative team that went in to retrieve a B-52 that was forced down by a UFO and all the occupants killed. Communications had been received from the B-52 before it went down to the effect that it was "....under attack by a UFO....", a "....large light....". The plane was found intact, sitting in the jungle. There was no swath indicative of a crash landing. Only the bottom of the fuselage showed any damage, there was no damage to the underside of the engine pods. Although the plane was completely intact the entire crew had been mutilated. English, through contacts he still maintains has determined that the US government `most definitely' supports a `project dealing specifically with UFO's and captured aliens'. According to what he has learned, the US government captured a trio of aliens, and that as of mid 1981, one of the beings was still alive in captivity. English also claims that "at one point in the early 1950's until the mid 1960's the Air Force maintained relocation and debriefing colonies for people that had experienced close encounters of the 3rd and 4th kind. They were isolated for all intents and purposes for the rest of their lives. He doubts that these colonies are still in existence. English dictated 2 audio cassettes outlining what he remembered from the Grudge 13 report. These audio cassettes were transcribed into hand written notes by another person. The information contained therein indicated what had been suspected all along:that the US Government was involved in the greatest deception in the history of mankind and that not only did flying saucers exist but that the government had several in secret storage and had captured at least three live aliens. The following is a summary of what Bill English remembers from what he read during that day in July of 1977 of PROJECT GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13. In box, diplomatic pouch under lock and key system. Lock had been opened, pouch was easily accessed. Standard diplomatic couriers pouch marked American Embassy Couriers, contained pouch serial number jl327Delta. Inside a publication with red tape which indicated code red security precautions and an Air Force disposition form. Disposition form was standard white page copy, title was `Analysis Report'. Further down was `Analyze enclosed report under code red measures, give abstract breakdown and report on validity. Observe all code red measures. Analysis required immediately'. Underneath were a series of dashes then the letters NDF then another series of dashes. Below that, lower left hand corner were the initials WGB. Publication was withdrawn from pouch. It measured approx., 8" by 11" with grey cover. Heavily bound, paper back style similar to technical manuals.Across the center front it read, "Grudge/Blue Book Report No. 13". It was dated 1953-(1963). In the lower right-hand corner was AFSN 2246-3. in upper left hand corner was the word `annotated'. Across the front upper right hand corner to lower left hand corner was red tape indicating code red security measures. Across the front was stamped in red ink `Top Secret Need to Know Only Crypto Clearance 14 Required'. Inside front cover upper left hand corner were hand written notations in ink which were blacked out by black felt pen. Inside cover sheet was basically the same information as the cover. Second page was a title page. Next page after that was an appendix with numerous notations made in it.Notations dealt with inserts of what appeared to be photos and additional notes. At bottom of third page it read G/BV Page 1 of 624 pages. Title page was subject letter. Complete list of appendix not remember. Title. Some notes on the practical applications of the Worst Nemo equations. Table of contents, Part 1. "On the design of generators to accomplish strain free molecular translation". Part 2, The generation of space time discontinuims,closed, opened and folded". Part 3, on the generation of temporary pseudo acceleration locas". Part 1, Chapter 1, "design criteria for a simple generator and control system referring to equation 17 appendix A". Part 2, Chapter 1,"Continuation of Einstein's Theory of Relativity to final conclusion". Part 3, Chapter 1, "Possible applications of Einstein's theory of relativity at conclusion". Part 1,Chapter 2, reports of UFO encounters, classifications "Close Encounters of the 1st Kind",subtitle sightings and witnesses. Part 2, chapter 2,"Close Encounters of the 2nd", subtitle UFO sightings witnessed within close proximity. Part 3, chapter 2 "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind", subtitle UFO encounters and extraterrestrial life forms witnessed and personal encounters. Subtitle,"Colonies, relocation thereof". Case histories. Chapter 3, Part 1,titled "military Encounters with UFO's". Part 2, Chapter 3, "Military Reports Concerning Sightings on Radar and Electronic Surveillance of UFO's". Subsection 2, Analysis Report, J. Allen Hynek, Lt. Col. Friend. Appendix continued on for about 5 pages. Opening subject page consisted of a report of the findings as written by Lt. Col. Friend and his analysis. Must stress at this point that the version seen was annotated. There were inserts that were added to this copy after it had been initially printed.Sections remembered very vividly are the photographs and the reports concerning captive sights of various UFO's to include Mexico, sweden, United States and Canada. There were also what was then classified Close Encounters of the 3rd kind. It was made very clear that these people whom it was determined had genuine CE 3's were moved in the middle of the night by Air Force personnel and relocated to various sites in the midwest and Northwest parts of the United States. In many cases these people experienced physical ailments from exposure to various types of radiation. One case especially noted and remembered very vividly was entitled "Darlington Farm Case" out of Ohio. Case apparently took place in October 1953. Man, wife and 13 year old son were sitting down at dinner table. As they sat there the lights in the farm house began to dim. Dogs and animals raised ruckus on outside. 13 year old boy got up from dinner table to see what was going on. Called his mother and father to come look at the funny light in the sky. Father and mother went out onto the porch. When they got out on the porch one of the dogs broke loose from leash beside house and came running around front. Boy began chasing it into the open field. As mother and father watched the light comedown from the sky. They described it as a round ball of fire and it began to hover over the field where the boy and dog had run to. As they stood and watched, the mother and father heard the boy start screaming for help whereupon the father grabbed his shotgun which was right next to the door and began to run out into the field with the mother following. When the father got to the field he saw his son being carried away by what looked like little men, into this huge fiery looking object. As it took off the father fired several rounds at the object, to no avail. They found the dog, it's head had been crushed but no sign of the boy or any other footprints of the little men who apparently carried him off. Father immediately called the Darlington police and they immediately came out to investigate. The official report read that the boy had run off and was lost in the forest which bordered the farm. Within 48 hours the Air Force made the determination that the family was to be relocated and the mother and father were picked up by Air Force Intelligence and all personal belonging and possessions were loaded into U.S. Air Force trucks and moved to a northwestern relocation site. The mother was in shock and had to go through a great deal of psychotherapy and deprogramming as did father. One interesting aspect about this case was classification under Air Force report which read it was a genuine CE 3 and that for the good of national security the mother and father had been relocated to relocation zones Z21-14. Not sure whether this indicated map grid coordinates or latitude longitude. According to the report there were at least four relocation sites across the United States. Depending upon which type of encounter these people had, the report indicated that there were extensive medical facilities available at the relocation sites to deal with all medical emergencies up to and including radiation poisoning. The report mentioned a site located in the Utah-Nevada area, but no indication of it's purpose or what it was for. Report gave clear indication of reports of human mutilations, most notably was a case witnessed by Air Force personnel in which an Air Force Sgt. E-6 by the name of Jonathan P. Lovette was observed being taken captive aboard what appeared to be a UFO at the WHITE sands Missile Test Range in New Mexico. This abduction took place in March of 1956 at about 0300 local and was witnessed by Major William Cunningham of the United States Air Force Missile Command near Holloman Air Force Base. Major Cunningham and Sgt. Lovette were out in a field downrange from the launch sites looking for debris from a missile test when Sgt. Lovette went over the ridge of a small sand dune and was out of sight for a time. Major Cunningham heard Sgt. Lovette scream in what was described as terror or agony. The Major, thinking Lovette had been bitten by a snake or something ran over the crest of the dune and saw Sgt. Lovette being dragged into what appeared to him and was described as being a silvery disk like object which hovered in the air approximately 15 to 20 feet. Major Cunningham described what appeared to be a long snake-like object which was wrapped around the sergeant's legs and was dragging him to the craft. Major Cunningham admittedly froze as the sergeant was dragged inside the disc and observed the disc and observed the disc going up into the sky very quickly. Major Cunningham got on the jeep radio and reported the incident to Missile Control whereupon Missile Control confirmed a radar sighting. Search parties went into the desert looking for Sgt. Lovette. Major Cunningham's report was taken and he was admitted to the White Sands Base Dispensary for observation. The search for Sgt. Lovette continues for three days at the end of which his nude body was found approximately ten miles downrange. The body had been mutilated;the tongue had been removed from the lower portion of the jaw. An incision had been made just under the tip of the chin and extended all the way back to the esophagus and larynx. He had been emasculated and his eyes had been removed. Also, his anus had been removed and there were comments in the report on the apparent surgical skill of the removal of these items including the genitalia. The report commented that the anus and the genitalia had been removed `as though a plug' which in the case of the anus extended all the way to the colon. There was no sign of blood within the system. The initial autopsy report confirmed that the system had been completely drained of blood and that there was no vascular collapse due to death by bleeding. Sub-comment was added that this was unusual because in any body who dies of bleeding or in the case of a complete blood loss there is always vascular collapse. Also noted was that when the body was found there were a number of dead predatory type birds within the area who apparently had died after trying to partake of the sergeant's body. There were a number of extremely grisly black and white photographs. From all indications the body had been exposed to the elements for at least a day or two. The New Mexico sun in the desert is extremely hot and debilitating under normal circumstances. In this section of the report it also indicated that there were numerous occasions in which a ufo was tracked along side a fired missile and on one occasion said missile was observed being taken aboard a UFO while in flight. The speeds indicated were absolutely phenomenal. (English's father had told him privately that on more than one occasion he had personally tracked what they termed as `Foo fighters'. English's father was an electronics engineer by profession and was fairly well versed on electronics engineering and design and on more than one occasion he was involved in telemetry programming of missiles. (English's father is currently a state legislator in Arizona.) The report also indicated that there were a number of recovery teams that were activated specifically for the purpose of recovering any and all evidence of UFO's and UFO sightings. Most notably recorded in publication was what they called Recovery Team Alpha. It was reported that Alpha had been extremely active in a number of areas and on certain occasions had traveled outside the United States. Alpha was based out of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and was on the move constantly. Further information in the report consisted of such things as reported sightings and where Air Force planes had been destroyed or had combat encounters or had been attacked by UFO's. Also there were autopsy reports of various human mutilations. About midway through the report came a section which dealt specifically with photographs. Each photo was labeled and appendixed to certain reports. A number of photo's in there dealt with a recovery program of some type that took place in the southwestern part of the United States. They did not give a location name but they did give grid coordinates for that area. There is no clear indication to exactly where it was. The photos dealt with special teams that were called in to recover a crashed UFO. It also dealt with alien bodies and autopsy reports,autopsy type photographs, high quality, color, 8 x 10, 5 x 7. Photo number 1 showed an alien being on an autopsy table which is a metal table with runnels and traps underneath to trap fluid and feces. Body appeared to be a little short of 4 feet. Table about 7 foot. No clothing on body, no genitalia, body completely heterous, head was a rounded cranium, slightly enlarged, eyes almond shaped, slits where nose would be, extremely small mouth, receding chin line, holes where ears would be. Photo was taken at angle, side view, looking at body from 45 degree elevation, left hand was visible, head was facing to left, body was right to left (head on right, feet on left), eyes were closed appeared to be oriental-looking and almond shaped, left hand slightly longer than normal, wrist coming down just about 2 to 3 inches above the knees. Wrist appeared to be articulated in a fashion that allowed a double joint with 3 digit fingers. Wrist was very slender. There was no thumb. A palm was almost non-existent. The three fingers were direct extension from the wrist. Color of the skin was a bluish gray, dark bluish gray. At base of the body there was a darker color, indicating body was dead for some time. Body fluids or blood had settled to base of body. This indicated that body had been examined before beginning autopsy. Pictures showed beginning stages of autopsy, following standard procedure, body was slit from crouch to just under chin and green viscous liquid was in evidence. There were internal organs but these could not be identified. Photos thereafter concerned specific areas of internal organs of what appeared as small cluster of multi-valve heart or at least two hearts within the cadaver. No accurate description of autopsy report or what was found with corpse accompanying photos. Indications that there was no stomach or digestive tract per se. Later analysis showed that fluid within the body was chloropyhyl based liquid which apparently dealt with photosynthesis or similar process. The report theorized that nourishment was taken in through mouth, however since there was no digestive tract or anything of this nature, the waste products were excreted through skin. One section of the report did specify that cadavers were extremely odorous, but this could be accounted for by either deterioration or a number of things, but theory was that waste was excreted through pores of skin. They could only theorize in report because there was no xenobiology. A report by Dr. J. Allen Hynek was recalled vividly which indicated that he had also studied the information provided by this particular case and that he felt that it was indeed a genuine UFO capture and subsequently the alien was part of UFO. Dr. Hynek was non-committal but did however sign the report. Also indicated in the report that he did not view the bodies personally, but viewed photographs and accompanying reports from autopsies. Other photos dealt with a number of bodies which were vivi- sectioned in various ways. At one point, a head was removed from the body and photographed and autopsy was performed on head. The cranium was opened and brain matter was photographed and evident. Interesting thing about photo was that there was a ridge bone or dividing partition-type bone running directly through center of skull, from front to back, as though dividing two brains, one from the other. This seemed apparent from the picture. The skin was completely removed from the cranial structure and the skull was laid bare as much as possible. At one point the skull was cut directly in half and photo showed under developed esophagus and nasal cavities. No clear photo of eye orbs as we know them, just complete vivisection of skull itself. Numerous photos of flesh of the being starting with cutaneous and subcutaneous microphotographic plates. Appeared to be cellular studies done under microscopic and electron-microscopic type photos. Extreme magnification of tissue samples. This concluded Bill English's statement which was transcribed from 2 cassette tapes. I obtained this hand written memorandum in August of 1987 from Paul Bennewitz during my visit with him in Albuquerque. In September of 1988 I received a call from Bill English. I asked for a chance to meet him and discuss the Grudge 13 report. He said that this could be arranged but that the meeting would have to be on his terms for security reasons. He explained that there had been several attempts on his life by persons unknown since he had made the cassette tapes about six years ago. We arranged a meeting at a small airport in Virginia on September 16. I was to sit in the lobby with my black flight bag and for identification purposes I told Bill what I would be wearing.l I had no telephone number for Bill. As I walked into the small airport lobby after about a three hour drive from Richmond, I immediately noticed 2 gentlemen who seemed `out of place' for this locale. Both were wearing pin striped 3 piece suits, both had on dark glasses. One was a black gentleman. One was stationed inside the lobby door looking out at the parking lot, one was leaning up against an airline counter. I sat down and after a few minutes was approached by a tall, bearded man in jeans and a heavy jacket. He asked if I wanted to have a drink. We walked outside and he introduced himself as Bill English. We drove in Bill's car into town to a local bar. About five minutes after we ordered and started to talk, the men I had seen at the airport came into the bar and sat down. We left for Bill's house and never saw the men again for the next 2 days. During the next two days I stayed with Bill and his wife and two children in a small trailer in the middle of a field at his farm. I asked him endless questions concerning the Grudge 13 document, how he happened to see it, what happened to him after he saw it and literally thousands of questions about the content of the document. My impression of Bill English was that he was totally honest, that he stood behind his statements and recollection of the Grudge 13 papers, that he was a devoted husband and father to his wife's 2 children. That Bill English was ready to come forward and enter into any debate regarding the legitimacy of the document and his recollections thereof. Of Bill`s compassion for his father and his father's feelings concerning Bill and the reasons for their occasional disagreements. I have tremendous respect for Bill and what he has tried to do in getting this information out to the public. It has been at tremendous personal risk, not to mention the ridicule by sponsored agents such as Bill Moore, who has stated that the Grudge 13 papers were a fraud. What follows is additional information about the Grudge 13 papers that I obtained from Bill during my visit. In addition to the following Bill painstakingly drew many sketches of the photos of different types of flying saucers, the equipment obtained from them including a sketch of the football sized nuclear generator and sketches of the autopsy photos. From my notes taken during our 2 day meeting: Bill described a photo taken of 3 live aliens. Very clear photos, aliens standing against a white tile wall, looking confused as if they had been shoved, were looking in different directions. Report said that aliens had contacted a U.S. Intelligence Agency for initial 2 meetings, one at Holloman, one at Homestead. U.S. Air Force relocation personnel (for persons involved in close encounters) were referred to as `Men in Black'. Major Cunningham was initially accused of murdering Sgt. Jonathan P. Lovette. Charges were later dropped. Bill English's place of employment in England was Security Services Command, RAF Chicksands. Entire Grudge 13 Report was written as if report was geared toward preparation of defenses. Report told of ultrasonic weapons found in Germany at the end of WWII that could shatter 4" thick armor. Report told of sensitive military and industrial areas at which personnel have experienced missing time. Report told about missing time experienced with personnel associated with North American X-15 rocket plane project. Report stated that there were 17 different species accounted for up to the time of the report. Extraterrestrials were referred to as A.L.F.'s. Alien Life forms in the report. Report referred to one UFO that was recovered and test flown. The UFO blew up as the two Air Force pilots aboard attempted to leave the atmosphere. English recalls the date as in the mid 50's. Report refers to flying saucer program as `Project Red Light' and that a secret installation had been constructed in the middle of the Atomic Energy Commission testing ground in Nevada. At the time of the report 11 alien cadavers were being kept at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. That additional alien cadavers were being stored at 4 to 5 other medical institutions. That 2 flying saucers of extraterrestrial origin had been tested in the wind tunnel at langley, Va. That at the time of the report one disc was being stored at McDill Air Force Base, Florida. That at the time of the report, 1 damaged disc was at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. That at the time of the report that had been 2 UFO incidents at Ft. Riley, Kansas. That at the time of the report a detachment of the Alpha Recovery Team was based at Randolph Air Force Base. The report discussed civilian and military personnel who had been terminated `to eliminate potentially dangerous elements to the national security'. The General James Doolittle had been mentioned several times in the report with the notation that "his (Doolittle's) predictions might be correct". There was no indication of what those predictions might have been. A short segment containing the quotation. "By presidential order, certain aspects of research have been undertaken". ******************************************** The information that John related here is correct as far as the material concerning Grudge/Blue Book Report #13, but John failed to make mention of the incidents following my viewing of the document nor of what led to my sudden and timely disappearance from the scene in 1980. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See Next -- --- Continued in Part 2--- -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Re: I Think I'm An Alien(In Defense) Message-ID: <20550021@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 7 Mar 91 14:21:24 GMT References: <28464.27b14c4d@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 6 Okay Zontar! Bend over and kiss your ASS GOODBYE. You are about to meet your maker! We are disconnecting your alien privilages!! XUPHCFC Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: EARTHLINGS ARE SELF CENTERED Message-ID: <20550020@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 7 Mar 91 14:16:48 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 7 How does the words in the book of Revelations indicate that the star was an Alien? Are those words literal meanings or generalizations? What band did these angles play in? And how did they learn how to play the trumpets? Why is it that earthlings thing that earth is so important instead of someother planet? Why do we believe that earth is the life in our universe? Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The BELIEVERS Message-ID: <20550022@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 7 Mar 91 14:25:20 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 3 Come ride the universe with me. I would like to explore the stars and meet other friendly aliens. If you are a friendly alien, then respond soon. Let us determine the believers from the disbelievers! Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com! decwrl!dali.cs.montana.edu!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Wants info on Nightmare Hall, Alternative 3 Message-ID: <1991Mar8.032255.4646@bilver.uucp> Date: 8 Mar 91 03:22:55 GMT References: <91058.155057WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> Distribution: na Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 1455 In article <91058.155057WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >I'd like to hear from any reader who has info on two of the conspiracy theories >lately coming out of the MJ-12 rumor mill: > >1. Nightmare Hall, an alien/US military genetics lab where abducted children > are dissected and their body parts used to create hybrid lifeforms. > >2. Alternative 3, a joint US/Russian (+ alien?) project in which people are > abducted and used as slave labor on secret bases on the moon and Mars. > This was discussed in a British documentary in 1977, and I understand that > there are videotapes available (from whom? in VHS? how much?) > >I'd also like to hear from anyone who has audiotapes of some of the Billy >Goodman Happening radio talk shows (from Las Vegas, NV), in which the above >are discussed. > >I'd be willing to exchange info for some of the material I've collected on the >history of the cattle mutilation flap in the US during the 1970s (some say it >never ended). > >Bill Ellis >FOAFtale News >Penn State, Hazleton Campus I've got the following info but make NO claims as to it's content. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ALTERNATIVE 003 by Leslie Watkins with David Ambrose & Christopher Miles Section 1 NO NEWSPAPER has yet secured the truth behind the operation known as ALTERNATIVE 3. Investigations by journalists have been blocked by governments on both sides of the Iron Curtain. American and Russia are ruthlessly obsessed with guarding their shared secret and this obsession, as we can now prove, has made them partners in murder. However, despite this intensive security, fragments of information have been made public. Often they are released inadvertently by experts who do not appreciate their sinister significance and these fragments, in isolation, mean little. But when jigsawed together they form a definite pattern, a pattern which appears to emphasize the enormity of this conspiracy of silence. On May 3, 1977, the Daily Mirror published this story: President Jimmy Carter has joined the ranks of UFO spotters. He sent in two written reports stating he had seen a flying saucer when he was the Governor of Georgia. The President has shrugged off the incident since then, perhaps fearing that electors might be wary of a flying saucer freak. But he was reported as saying after the "sighting"; "I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs because I've seen one myself." Carter described his UFO like this: "Luminous, not solid, at first bluish, then reddish...it seemed to move towards us from a distance, stopped, then moved partially away." Carter filed two reports on the sighting in 1973, one to the International UFO Bureau and the other to the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena. Heydon Hewes, who directs the International UFO Bureau from his home in Oklahoma City, is making speeches praising the President's "open-mindedness." But during his presidential campaign last year Carter was cautious. He admitted he had seen a light in the sky but declined to call it a UFO. He joked: "I think it was a light beckoning me to run in the California primary election." Why this change in Carter's attitude? Because, by then, he had been briefed on Alternative 3? Page 1 A 1966 Gallup Poll showed that five million Americans including several highly experienced airline pilots claimed to have seen Flying Saucers. Fighter pilot Thomas Mantell has already died while chasing one over Kentucky his F.51 aircraft having disintegrated in the violent wash of his quarry's engines. The U.S. Air Force, reluctantly bowing to mounting pressure, asked Dr. Edward Uhler Condon, a professor of astrophysics, to head an investigation team at Colorado University. Condon's budget was $500,000. Shortly before his report appeared in 1968, this story appeared in the London Evening Standard: The Condon study is making headlines, but for all the wrong reasons. It is losing some of its outstanding members, under circumstances which are mysterious to say the least. Sinister rumors are circulating...at least four key people have vanished from the Condon team without offering a satisfactory reason for their departure. The complete story behind the strange events in Colorado is hard to decipher. But a clue, at last may be found in the recent statements of Dr. James McDonald, the senior physicist at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the University of Arizona and widely respected in his field. In a wary, But ominous, telephone conversation this week, Dr. McDonald told me that he is "most distressed." Condon's 1,485-page report denied the existence of Flying Saucers and a panel of the American National Academy of Sciences endorsed the conclusion that "further extensive study probably cannot be justified." But, curiously, Condon's joint principal investigator, Dr. David Saunders, had not contributed a word to that report. And on January 11, 1969, the Daily Telegraph quoted Dr. Saunders as saying of the report: "It is inconceivable that it can be anything but a cold stew. No matter how long it is, what it includes, how it is said, or what it recommends, it will lack the essential element of credibility." Already there were wide spread suspicions that the Condon investigation had been part of an official coverup, that the government knew the truth but was determined to keep it from the public. We now know that those suspicions were accurate. And that the secrecy was all because of Alternative 3. Only a few months after Dr. Saunders made his "cold stew" statement a journalist with the Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch embarrassed the National Aeronautics and Space Agency by photographing a strange craft looking exactly like a Flying Saucer-at the White Sands missile range in New Mexico. At first no one at NASA would talk about this mysterious circular craft, 15 feet in diameter, which had been left in the "missile graveyard" a section of the range where most experimental vehicles were eventually dumped. Page 2 But the Martin Marietta company of Denver, where it was built, acknowledged designing several models, some with ten and twelve engines. And a NASA official, faced with this information, said: "Actually the engineers used to call it 'The Flying Saucer.' " That confirmed a statement made by Dr. Garry Henderson, a leading space research scientist: "All our astronauts have seen these objects but have been ordered not to discuss their findings with anyone." Otto Binder was a member of the NASA space team. He has stated that NASA "killed" significant segments of conversation between Mission Control and Apollo 11, the spacecraft which took Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong to the Moon and that those segments were deleted from the official record: "Certain sources with their own VHF receiving facilities that by passed NASA broadcast outlets claim there was a portion of Earth Moon dialogue that was quickly cut off by the NASA monitoring staff." Binder added: "It was presumably when the two moon walkers, Aldrin and Armstrong, were making the round some distance from the LEM that Armstrong clutched Aldrin's arm excitedly and exclaimed 'What was it? What the hell was it? That's all I want to know.' " Then, according to Binder, there was this exchange: MISSION CONTROL: What's there?...malfunction(garble)...Mission Control calling Apollo 11... APOLLO 11: These babies were huge, sir...enormous..Oh, God you wouldn't believe it!...I'm telling you there are other space-craft out there...lined up on the far side of the crater edge...they're on the Moon watching us... NASA, understandably, has never confirmed Binder's story but Buzz Aldrin was soon complaining bitterly about the Agency having used him as a "traveling salesman." And two years after his Moon mission, following reported bouts of heavy drinking, he was admitted to hospital with "emotional depression." "Traveling salesman"...that's an add choice of words, isn't it? What, in Aldrin's view, were the NASA authorities trying to sell? And to whom? Could it be that they were using him, and others like him, to sell their official version of the truth to ordinary people right across the world? Was Aldrin's Moon walk one of those great spectaculars, presented with maximum publicity, to justify the billions being poured into space research? Was it part of the American Russian cover for Alternative 3? Page 3 All men who have travelled to the Moon have given indications of knowing about Alternative 3 and of the reasons which precipitated it. In May, 1972, James Irwin, officially the sixth man to walk on the Moon, resigned to become a Baptist missionary. And he said then: "The flight made me a deeper religious person and more keenly aware of the fragile nature of our planet." Edgar Mitchell, who landed on the Moon with the Apollo 14 mission in February, 1971, also resigned in May, 1972 to devote himself to parapsychology. Later, at the headquarters of his Institute for noetic Sciences near San Francisco, he described looking at this world from the Moon: "I went into a very deep pathos, a kind of anguish. That incredibly beautiful planet that was Earth.. a place no bigger than my thumb was my home.. a blue and white jewel against a velvet black sky...was being killed off." And on March 23, 1974, he was quoted in the Daily Express as saying that society had only three ways in which to go and that the third was "the most viable but most difficult alternative." Another of the Apollo Moon walkers, Bob Grodin, was equally specific when interviewed by a Sceptre Television reporter on June 20, 1977; "You think they need all that crap down in Florida just to put two guys up there on a...on a bicycle? The hell thy do! You know why they need us? So they've got a P.R. story for all that hardware they've been firing into space. We're nothing, man! Nothing!" On July 11, 1977, the Los Angeles Times came near to the heart of the matter-nearer than any other newspaper when it published a remarkable interview with Dr. Gerard O'Neill. Dr. O'Neill is a Princeton professor who served, during a 1976 sabbatical, as Professor of Aerospace at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and who gets nearly $500,000 each year in research grants from NASA. Here is a section from that article: The United Nations, he says, has conservatively estimated that the world's population, now more than 4 billion people, will grow to about 6.5 billion by the 2000. Today, he adds, about 30% of the world's population is in developed nations. But, because most of the projected population growth will occur in underdeveloped countries, that will drop to 22% by the end of the century. The world of 2000 will be poorer and hungrier than the world today, he says. Dr. O'Neill also explained the problems caused by the earth's 4,000 mile atmospheric layer but presumably because the article was comparatively short one he was not quoted on the additional threat posed by the notorious "greenhouse" syndrome. His solution? He called it Island 3. And he added: "There's no debate about the technology involved in doing it. That's been confirmed by NASA's top people." Page 4 But Dr. O'Neill, a family man with three children who like to fly sailplanes in his spare time, did not realize that he was slightly off target. He was right, of course, about the technology. But he knew nothing of the political ramifications and he would have been astounded to learn that NASA was feeding his research to the Russians. Even eminent political specialists, as respected in their sphere as Dr. O'Neill is in his own, have been puzzled by an undercurrent they have detected in East West relationships. Professor G. Gordon Broadbent, director of the independently financed Institute of Political Studies in London and author of a major study of U.S. Soviet diplomacy since the 1950s, emphasized that fact on June 20, 1977, when he was interviewed on Sceptre Television: "On the broader issue of Soviet U.S. relations, I must admit there is an element of mystery which troubles many people in my field." He added: "What we're suggesting is that, at the very highest levels of East West diplomacy, there has been operating a factor of which we know nothing. Now it could just be-and I stress the word 'could' that this unknown factor is some kind of massive but covert operation in space. But as for the reasons behind it...we are not in the business of speculation." Washington's acute discomfort over O'Neill's revelations through the Los Angeles Times can be assessed by the urgency with which a "suppression" Bill was rushed to the Statute Book. On July 27, 1977 only sixteen days after publication of the O'Neill interview columnist Jeremy Campbell reported in the London Evening Standard that the Bill would become law that September. He wrote: It prohibits the publishing of an official report without permission, arguing that this obstructs the Government's control of its own information. That was precisely the charge brought against Daniel Ellsberg for giving the Pentagon papers to the New York Times. Most ominous of all, the Bill would make it a crime for any present of former civil servant to tell the Press of Government wrong doing or pass on any news based on information "submitted to the Government in private." Campbell pointed out that this final clause "has given serious pain to guardians of American Press freedom because it creates a brand new crime." Particularly as there was provision in the Bill for offending journalists to be sent to prison for up to six years. We subsequently discovered that a man called Harman Leonard Harman read that item in the newspaper and that later, in a certain television executives' dining room, he expressed regret that a similar Law had not been passed years earlier by the British government. He was eating treacle tart with custard at the time and he reflected wistfully that he could then have insisted on such a Law being obeyed. That, when it came to Alternative 3, would have saved him from a great deal of trouble... Page 5 He had chosen treacle tart, not because he particularly liked it, but because it was 2p(ence) cheaper than the chocolate sponge. That was typical of Harman. He was one of the people, as you may have learned already through the Press, who tried to interfere with the publication of this book. We will later be presenting some of the letters received by us from him and his lawyers together with the replies from our legal advisers. We decided to print these letters in order to give you a thorough insight into our investigation for it is important to stress that we, like Professor Broadbent, are not in the "business of speculation." We are interested only in the facts. And it is intriguing to note the pattern of facts relating to astronauts who have been on Moon missions and who have therefore been exposed to some of the surprises presented by Alternative 3. A number, undermined by the strain of being party to such a horrendous secret, suffered nervous or mental collapses. A high percentage sought sanctuary in excessive drinking or in extramarital affairs which destroyed what had been secure and successful marriages. Yet these were men originally picked from many thousands precisely because of their stability. Their training and experience, intelligence and physical fitness all these, of course, were prime considerations in their selection. But the supremely important quality was their balanced temperament. It would need something stupendous, something almost unimaginable to most people, to flip such men into dramatic personality changes. That something, we have now established, was Alternative 3 and, perhaps more particularly, the night marish obscenities involved in the development and perfection of Alternative 3. We are not suggesting that the President of the United States has had personal knowledge of the terror and clinical cruelties which have been an integral part of the Operation, for that would make him directly responsible for murders and barbarous mutilations. We are convinced, in fact, that this is not the case. The President and the Russian leader, together with their immediate subordinates, have been concerned only with broad sweep of policy. They have acted in unison to ensure what they consider to be the best possible future for mankind. And the day to day details have been delegated to high level professionals. These professionals, we have now established, have been classifying people selected for the Alternative 3 operation into two categories: those who are picked as individuals and those who merely form part of a "batch consignment." There have been several "batch consignments" and it is the treatment meted out to most of these men and women which provides the greatest cause for outrage. Page 6 No matter how desperate the circumstances may be-and we reluctantly recognize that they are extremely desperate no humane society could tolerate what has been done to the innocent and the gullible. That view, fortunately, was taken by one man who was recruited into the Alternative 3 team three years ago. He was, at first, highly enthusiastic and completely dedicated to the Operation. However, he became revolted by some of the atrocities involved. He did not consider that, even in the prevailing circumstances, they could be justified. Three days after the transmission of that sensational television documentary, his conscience finally goaded him into action. He knew the appalling risk he was taking, for he was aware of what had happened to others who had betrayed the secrets of Alternative 3, but he made telephone contact with television reporter Colin Benson and offered to provide Benson with evidence of the most astounding nature. He was calling, he said, from abroad but he was prepared to travel to London. They met two days later. And he then explained to Benson that copies of most orders and memoranda, together with transcripts prepared from tapes of Policy Committee meetings, were filed in triplicate in Washington, Moscow and Geneva where Alternative 3 had its operational headquarters. The system had been instituted to ensure there was no misunderstanding between the principal partners. He occasionally had access to some of that material although it was often weeks or even months old before he saw it and he was willing to supply what he could to Benson. He wanted no money. He merely wanted to alert the public, to help stop the mass atrocities. Benson's immediate reaction, after he had assessed the value of this offer, was that Sceptre should mount a follow up programme one which would expose the horrors of Alternative 3 in far greater depth. He argued bitterly with his superiors at Sceptre but they were adamant. The company was already in serious trouble with the government and there was some doubt about whether its licence would be renewed. They refused to consider the possibility of doing another programme. They had officially disclaimed the Alternative 3 documentary as a hoax and that was where the matter had to rest. Anyway, they pointed out, this character who'd come forward was probably a nut...If you saw the documentary, you will probably realize that Benson is a stubborn man. His friends say he is pig obstinate. They also say he is a first class investigative journalist. He was angry about this attempt to suppress the truth and that is why he agreed to co-operate in the preparation of this book. That co-operation has been invaluable. Through Benson we met the telephone caller who we now refer to as Trojan. And that meeting resulted in our acquiring documents, which we will be presenting, including transcripts of tapes made at the most secret rendezvous in the world, thirty five fathoms beneath the ice cap of the Arctic. Page 7 For obvious reasons, we cannot reveal the identity of Trojan. Nor can we give any hint about his function or status in the Operation. We are completely satisfied, however, that his credentials are authentic and that, in breaking his oath of silence, he is prompted by the most honourable of motives. He stands in relation to the Alternative 3 conspiracy in much the same position as the anonymous informant "Deep Throat" occupied in the Watergate affair.Most of the "batch consignments" have been taken from the area known as the Bermuda Triangle but numerous other locations have also been used. On October 6, 1975, the Daily Telegraph gave prominence to this story: The disappearance in bizarre circumstances in the past two weeks of 20 people from small coastal communities in Oregon was being intensively investigated at the weekend amid reports of an imaginative fraud scheme involving a "flying saucer" and hints of mass murder. Sheriff's officers at Newport, Oregon, said that the 20 individuals had vanished without trace after being told to give away all their possessions, including their children, so that they could be transported in a flying saucer "by UFO to a better life. "Deputies under Mr. Ron Sutton, chief criminal investigator in surrounding Lincoln County, have traced the story back to a meeting on September 14 in a resort hotel, the Bayshore Inn at Waldport, Oregon...Local police have received conflicting reports as to what occurred (at the meeting). But while it is clear that the speaker did not pretend to be from outer space, he told the audience how their souls could be "saved through a UFO. "The hall had been reserved for a fee of $50 by a man and a woman who gave false names. Mr. Sutton said witnesses had described them as "fortyish, well groomed, straight types. "The Telegraph said that "selected people would be prepared at a special camp in Colorado for life on another planet" and quoted Investigator Sutton as adding: "They were told they would have to give away everything, even their children. I'm checking a report of one family who supposedly gave away 150-acre farm and three children. "We don't know if it's fraud or whether these people might be killed. There are all sorts of rumours, including some about human sacrifice and that this is sponsored by the (Charles) Manson family. "Most of the missing 20 were described as being "hippie types" although there were some older people among them. Page 8 People of this calibre, we have now discovered, have been what is known as "scientifically adjusted" to fit them for a new role as a slave species. There have been equally strange reports of animals particularly farm animals disappearing in large numbers. And occasionally it appears that aspects of the Alternative 3 operation have been bungled, that attempts to lift "batch consignments" of humans or of animals have failed. On July 15, 1977, the Daily Mail under a "Flying Saucer" headline carried this story: Men in face masks, using metal detectors and a geiger counter, yesterday scoured a remote Dartmoor valley in a bid to solve a macabre mystery. Their search centred on marshy grassland where 15 wild ponies were found dead, their bodies mangled and torn. All appeared to have died at about the same time, and many of the bones have been inexplicably shattered. To add to the riddle, their bodies decomposed to virtual skeletons within only 48 hours. Animal experts confess they are baffled by the deaths at Cherry Brook Valley near Postbridge. Yesterday's search was carried out by members of the Devon Unidentified Flying Objects centre at Torquay who are trying to prove a link with outer space. They believe that flying saucers may have flown low over the area and created a vortex which hurled the ponies to their death.Mr. John Wyse, head of the four man team, said: "If a spacecraft has been in the vicinity, there may still be detectable evidence. We wanted to see if there was any sign that the ponies had been shot but we have found nothing. This incident bears an uncanny resemblance to similar events reported in America." The Mail report concluded with a statement from an official representing The Dartmoor Livestock Protection Society and the Animal Defence Society: "Whatever happened was violent. We are keeping an open mind. I am fascinated by the UFO theory. There is no reason to reject that possibility since there is no other rational explanation." These, then, were typical of the threads, which inspired the original television investigation. It needed one person, however, to show how they could be embroidered into a clear picture. Without the specialist guidance of that person the Sceptre television documentary could never have been produced-and Trojan would never have contacted Colin Benson. And it would have been years, possibly seven years or even longer, before ordinary people started to suspect the devastating truth about this planet on which we live. That person, of course, is the old man... Page 9 Section 2 THEY Realize now that they should have killed the old man. That would have been the logical course to protect the secrecy of Alternative 3. It is curious, really, that they did not agree to his death on that Thursday in February for, as we have stated, they do use murder. Of course, it is not called murder not when it is done jointly by the governments of America and Russia. It is an Act of Expediency. Many Acts of Expediency are believed to have been ordered by the sixteen men, official representatives of the pentagon and the Kremlin, who comprise the Policy Committee. Grotesque and apparently inexplicable slayings in various parts of the world in Germany and Japan, Britain and Australia are alleged to have been sanctioned by them. We have not been able to substantiate these suspicions and allegations so we merely record that an unknown number of people including distinguished radio astronomer Sir William Ballantine have been executed because of this astonishing agreement between the super-powers. Prominent politicians, including two in Britain, were among those who tried to prevent the publication of this book. They insisted that it is not necessary for you, and others like you, to be told the unpalatable facts. They argue that the events of the future are now inevitable, that there is nothing to be gained by prematurely unleashing fear. We concede that they are sincere in their views but we maintain that you ought to know. You have a right to know. Attemps were also make to neuter the television programme which first focused public attention on Alternative 3. Those attemps were partially successful. And, of course, after the programme was transmitted when there was that spontaneous explosion of anxiety Septre Television was forced to issue a formal denial. It had all been a hoax. That's what they were told to say. That's what they did say. Most people were then only too glad to be reassured. They wanted to be convinced that the programme had been devised as a joke, that it was merely an elaborate piece of escapist entertainment. It was more comfortable that way. In fact, the television researchers did uncover far more disturbing material than they were allowed to transmit. The censored information is now in our possession. And, as we have indicated, there was a great deal that Benson and the rest of the television team did not discover, not until after there programme had been screened. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Copies of Alternative 3 are rare. There is a source in ENGLAND which we do not currently know, however, you may purchase an imported copy for about $11.00 from Metaphysical Book Store, 9511 E. Colfax, Aurora, CO 80010 (303) 341-7562. Please mention that you got the address from VANGARD SCIENCES or the KeelyNet Bulletin Board System....Thanks Page 10 EOF -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm including the discussed "official disclaimer" on the video documentary that's been muchly debated: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Video.doc --------- Placed in the public domain from the VANGARD SCIENCES archives on October 28 1989. Our mailing address is PO BOX 1031, Mesquite, TX 75150. Voice phone (Jerry 214-324-8741...Ron 214-484-3189 KeelyNet (214) 324-3501 The Truth about Alternative 3 from its author, Leslie Watkins (This article is taken from the Windwords newsletter) address not available In our June issue, we told you about the controversial book Alternative 3, by British author Leslie Watkins. In out attempt to find out if the shocking theories in the book were true, we called Avon Books, the American publisher; they said the book was out of print in the states. We called Penguin Books in London and found that it was listed on their NON-FICTION list. A senior editor there told us that it was officially classified as FICTION BASED ON FACT. The author's agent told us it was most definitely fiction. We wrote to the author himself to try to get the real story, and here is the letter he sent us. Dear Ms. Dittrich: Thank you for your letter, which reached me today. Naturally, I am delighted by your interest in Alternative 3 and by the fact that you plan to sell it in the Windwords bookstore. I will certainly cooperate in any way I can. The correct description of Alternative 3 was given to you by the representative from Penguin Books. The book is based on fact, but uses that fact as a launchpad for a HIGH DIVE INTO FICTION. In answer to your specific questions: 1) There is no astronaut named Grodin. 2) There is no Sceptre Television and the reported Benson is also fictional. 3) There is no Dr. Gerstein. 4) Yes, a "documentary" was televised in June 1977 on Anglia Television, which went out to the entire national network in Britain. It was called Alternative 3 and was written by David Ambrose and produced by Christopher Miles (whose names were on the book for contractual reasons). This original TV version, which I EXPANDED IMMENSELY for the book, was ACTUALLY A HOAX which had been scheduled for transmission on April Fools' Day. Because of certain problems in finding the right network slot, the transmission was delayed. The TV program did cause a tremendous uproar because viewers refused to believe it was fiction. I initially took the view that the basic premise was so way-out, particularly the way I aimed to present it in the book, that no one would regard it as non-fiction. Immediately after publication, I realized I was totally wrong. In fact, the amazing mountains of letters from virtually all parts of the world- including vast numbers from highly intelligent people in positions of responsibility-convinced me that I had ACCIDENTALLY trespassed into a range of top-secret truths. Documentary evidence provided by many of these correspondents decided me to write a serious and COMPLETELY NON-FICTION sequel. Unfortunately, a chest containing the bulk of the letters was among the items which were mysteriously LOST IN TRANSIT some four years when I moved from London, England, to Sydney, Australia, before I moved on to settle in New Zealand. For some time after Alternative 3 was originally published, I have reason to suppose that my home telephone was being tapped and my contacts who were experienced in such matters were convinced that certain intelligence agencies considered that I probably knew too much. So, summing up, the book is FICTION BASED ON FACT. But I now feel that I inadvertently got VERY CLOSE TO A SECRET TRUTH. I hope this is of some help to you and I look forward to hearing from you again. With best wishes, Leslie Watkins Unfortunately, Alternative 3 is no longer available. We (Windwords) bought all the remaining copies from the British publisher and those quickly sold out. If the book is reprinted, you can be sure we'll let you know and we'll carry it in the Windwords bookstore. EOF --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hope this helps. Seems many people are interested in this judging by the request on Alternative - 3. Best Regards, Don -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!think.com!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Grudge Report #13 Part 2 Keywords: Mj-12 EBE Roswell Bill English Message-ID: <1991Mar8.025740.4518@bilver.uucp> Date: 8 Mar 91 02:57:40 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 655 This is Part 2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Grudge/Blue Book Part 2: --------------------------------------------------------------------- CHAPTER THREE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW Shortly after viewing the documents in the Grudge/Blue Book Report #13, my life changed dramatically. After reading the documents I assigned a probability rating to them of approximately 95%, based on information within the document that several years previously I had directly been involved with. The recovery of the B-52 Bomber Aircraft in Vietnam. Much to my surprise the photographs and reports that I and my team made of the incident and then turned into MACV Headquarters in Saigon appeared within the document. I cannot speak for the validity of the rest of the information enclosed therein, but I can vouch for the authenticity of that particular material. I would point out that since my public announcement of this material, I have publicly said that there is the distinct possibility that the material was fraudulent and that it was intended that I see it in order to spread mis-information. I would point out further, that I do not claim that this material is the gospel truth and that everyone should start gathering in their families and the animals because the world is about to end. Unlike some others that I know are currently on the speaking circuit . . .. Within two weeks of viewing the document things began to happen with a speed heretofore unknown in government circles. I had originally viewed the document during the last week of June of 1977. About the second week of July, things had not changed significantly. I was still going to my medieval society meetings, taking the wife to school, and the boys to the day-care center during the week. On weekends Stephy and I would try to plan things together with the kids, outings of various types that would allow us to spend time with each other and enjoy ourselves. One of my particular favorites was taking my eldest son David into Bedfordshire on saturdays. That was when the market place was full of vendors trying to sell their wares, and we would just walk and see what kind of bargains we could find. It was like an adventure to us, and then after we walked through the market we would go to the riverside and throw bread to the swans that lived on the banks of the Bedford River. I look back on those days with a great deal of joy and sadness as they are now gone forever to me, and I am reminded that I have now missed the most important years of my sons lives. During the second week of July I reported for work as I normally did, only this time when I checked in I was met by to Air Security Policemen who informed me that the base commander, Col, Robert Black wanted to see me at his office immediately. I was then escorted by these two neanderthals to Headquarters building at the top of the hill to the col's office where I was made to wait for about thirty minutes before Black would see me. When he did see me he was very brusk and cold and politely informed me that my services as a Data Analyst for the United States Air Force Security Services Command were no longer needed and that I was being immediately sent back to the United States via a MAC flight from RAF Lakenheath. I politely reminded the Colonel that since I was a civilian hire and that my place of hiring was in fact in England they had no right to ship me back to the U.S. without my consent, and since my wife was a civilian employee of the Department of Defence Schools, I would automatically fall under the dependant classification if I was no longer employed by the government. Black's basic reaction to all of this was laughter. He in turn politely informed me that for all he cared I could eat shit and bark at the moon. I was going back to the United STates whether I wanted to or not, and there wasn't a damned thing I could do about it. Seeing that there wasn't much to be gained by arguing with the asshole, I then requested permission to at least call my wife at the school and let her know what the hell was going on. Permission was refused me and I was immediately escorted to RAF Lakenheath under armed guard and placed on a flight back to the states. When I arrived in the states I immediately tried to call my wife to let her know what had happened. Every time I tried to get through, the phone would ring, a man's voice would answer and then the phone would go dead. Not only did this happen when I tried to call my wife, but also when I tried to call several friends that could possibly get a message to my wife. Needless to say it was like this for several months, and finally I gave up trying. I wrote letters to her, to my friends, everyone that I could think of, and still there was no response. Finally, I gave up trying. I have since learned that my wife transferred to a different Air Force Base shortly after that, after she had been told by Black that I quit my job and deserted her and the boys. It was a bald face lie, but by then it was to late to prove otherwise, and would have been impossible under the circumstances. What took place after that was one series of failures after another. I returned to my home town of Tucson, Arizona and began looking for a job of some type that would support me. After several months and much indignation I found a job working as a fry-cook/night manager at a Waffle House on I-10. It was during this time that it looked as if I might be going back to Europe as there was a job offer to work for the British Broadcasting Corporation as a Cameraman. I quit my job at the Waffle House, and suddenly the job fell through. I just didn't hear anything more from them, and they wouldn't answer any of my letters of inquiry. Shortly there after I got a job working for a security company as a guard. It was during this juncture in my employment career that I was assigned to work at the campus of Pima Community College. Prior to my assignment at the college, I had not given much thought to the question of UFO's and the effect that it was having on my life. In fact I had become so consumed with the act of survival that I had not given it any thought at all. You the reader, must bear in mind also, that this was perhaps the most trying time that I had ever had in my entire life. I had just lost a family that I loved and care for very much, and there wasn't a thing that I could do that would make it different, no matter how much I wanted it or tried. In short, I was on the verge of suicide. While working the campus shift for the security company, I noticed an announcement on the bulletin board announcing the speech of one Stanton Friedman, eminent scientist and UFO Investigator. The speech was set to take place at the college that night and I decided that I would attend as it was free at the student union. During the course of Stan's speech he imparted a great deal of information about science and the study of UFO's, but for some reason none of it seem to be of any great consequence. The information was based in part on investigations that many well meaning and hard working people had been able to gather. Most notable were the efforts of Jim and Coral Lorenzen, the founders of the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization. The only problem with it was the fact that it wasn't all of the information. During the course of Stan's speech he made mention of the fact that Blue Book Report #13 had never been published and that the government had said that it jumped from thirteen to fourteen due to the unlucky significance of the number thirteen. Hogwash!!!! I knew that this was hogwash and after Stan finished his talk I approached him and told him that it was. He asked me point blank how I knew it was hogwash, and I told him that I viewed A report entitled Grudge/Blue Book Report #13, that went far beyond their wildest dreams with regard to admitting the existence of UFO's. Within a matter of minutes I was whisked away by Stan, Allen Benz, and Jim Lorenzen to the APRO Offices that were then located on North Country Club in Tucson, where I spent several hours relating my experience and detailing everything that I could remember about the report, which was quit a bit. It took several months for the final outcome of that conversation to finally come out, but at the time Jim Lorenzen thought that I was nuttier than a fruitcake. Which I suppose under the circumstances was understandable. During the interim, I was allowed access to the files at the APRO offices where I began to learn and understand more than I had before all of this had started. One of the things that I discovered through my research was that over the years there was a pattern of government cover-up that far outreached anything that anyone was aware of at the time I began my research. In fact it has only been during the past ten or so years that people have come to realize that this is the case. Another thing that I discovered was the fact that the information I had concerning Grudge/Blue Book Report #13 was information that some one wanted to keep quiet. So much so in fact, they were willing to kill, or at least put on the show of trying. The first attempt took place in Tucson, Arizona. I was driving from Tucson to Sierra Vista, where my father had his Real Estate Office located at. I was in the process of starting a small custom leather shop at the time and had decided to go down to discuss with my father some problems that I had been having with funding. As I was driving down I-10 toward Sierra Vista it was a pleasant day, at least for riding a motorcycle. The road didn't have to much traffic and there were several stretches where I was the only vehicle on the road. It was during one of these intervals that a black, 1978 Lincoln Continental came onto the road behind me and began to pace me as I drove along. As I traveled I kept seeing this car in my rear-view mirror. At first I didn't think a great deal of it, but as time went on I noticed that it never seemed to go faster or slower than I did, always keeping the same distance. Between Tucson and the turn off to Hachuca City the limo made it's move and I happened to catch it in my mirror as it suddenly speeded up as it came toward me. I moved to the side of the road and began to hug the shoulder as closely as I was able to and in the process slowing down in order to let it pass me by. Instead of moving toward the left to pass it came over into the should where I was at. Seeing this and getting a bad feeling in my stomach I gun the motor on my bike and cut suddenly left, just barely getting out of it's way as it came past me and over the spot I had just vacated. I knew then that this wasn't and accident. Just after the car pasted me by the driver slammed on it's brakes and spun around in order to make another pass at me. For a few moments it seemed like I was in the middle of a game of roller ball and I was the ball. Avoiding the vehicle again I then cut across into the desert as fast as I could go. The Lincoln tried to follow but as it came onto the desert floor it appeared to get stuck in the loose dirt and stopped. I continued on my way through the desert in the general direction toward Sierra Vista and eventually made my way to my father's office. When I arrived at my father's, I told him what had taken place. He pooh, poohed and told me that it was my imagination, but never the less followed me in his car back to Tucson. This was the first attempt upon my life. Within a matter of weeks another attempt took place. By this time I had gotten my business operating and did a lot of work out of my apartment. I had gotten into a pattern by this time and was usually in bed around ten o'clock at night. This night however I had been invited to spend the night at a friends whom I had been helping to rebuild a saddle. It came at the spur of the moment and I had not made any plans for it to happen prior. This particular night I just happen to be at the store when he came over and asked me to come by and have dinner in exchange for the work that I had helped him with on the saddle, and then stay for an evening of movies and HBO. Normally I would have been at home that particular night. The next morning upon my return to my apartment I found that it had been burned completely. The fire department informed me that it had been arson. It would seem that some one tossed a fire bomb into my front window possibly thinking that I would be there. I lost everything that I had in the apartment to include a pet hamster that I had grown quite attached to. Over the years there have been approximately fifteen attempts on my life. Several of these were reported to the local police department, several have not. In all cases the police department have not investigated once they find out that I am an investigator of UFO phenomenon. You figure it out. In the early part of 1980 I was surprised to receive a phone call from Robert Black, the Air Force Colonel who in 1977 sent me packing on my way from RAF Chicksands. Black told me that he had been involuntarily retired from the Air Force and believed that it was due in part to the document that I had viewed while working for Security Services Command at RAF Chicksands. I was more or less cool toward Black but agreed to meet with him at my store in Trail Dust Town in Tucson. When we met I asked him several questions concerning my family and discovered what had happened after my departure. Apparently my wife had been told that I deserted them and that I upped and quit my job without notice and then caught a MAC flight out to the states. My wife was faced with several difficult decisions, among them was how to handle the up bringing of two children. According to Black she finished out the school year at RAF Chicksands and then requested and received a transfer to a different school system within the Department of Defence Schools in Great Britain. He went on to say that he had no idea as to what happened when I tried to contact them, saying that he was told after I left, that it was out of his hands. Black went on to say that he had come across some information that indicated a flying saucer or space vehicle of some type had crashed at the White Sands Missile Range, and that because of it's size they were unable to move it so instead buried it where it lay. He wanted to know if I was interested in coming with him to find it. I asked him why me, and he said because I had read the document and knew what it was we were looking for. He went on to say also that he was putting every bit of money that he had into outfitting a special vehicle that would carry research equipment and supplies, but that he didn't have enough. By this time I was thoroughly hooked on the idea and made an agreement with him to sell my business and then put most of the money that I made into the vehicle also. Which is what I did. In the meantime I contacted Wendelle Stevens and told him of what we were planning and invited him along. He was in the middle of investigating the Billy Miers case in Switzerland and declined. His decision to not participate is most likely what saved his life. I met with Black in Belen, New Mexico during the first week of June in 1980. Along with Black was his former operations sergeant at RAF Chicksands, who's name escapes me at present. Black explained that the Sergeant had been involuntarily retired from the service also and that he was as interested in finding the answers as we were. I went along with thinking that if nothing else it would be a hell of a camping trip. We proceeded northward from Belen, going toward Santa Fe and Albuquerque, and then crossed over easterly toward the "Trinity Test Site" where the first Atomic Bomb was tested. Stopping along the way to make brief incursions into the test range in order to setup the equipment and run it for short periods of time. From the Trinity Test Site we then proceeded southerly to Alamogordo and the over past Holloman Air Force Base, where we once again entered the test range. This time through the White Sands National Monument. In those days they didn't close the monument to the public at night and you could go in 24 hours a day and even camp over night there. Once in the monument we then proceeded to the northern most boundary of the park and entered the range once again. This time we planned on going as far as we could until either came across something or we were forced to turn back in order to be off the range during the day and camp over night in the park. I was walking about 500 to a 1000 meters in front of the Van with a metal detector, trying to see if there was anything buried under the sand. It was just after sun down and the van had it's lights on in order to allow me enough light to see where I was going. As I was walking I heard a sound that made my skin crawl. The sound of an in- coming rocket is something a veteran of the Vietnam era never forgets. . . especially after having been caught in several fire fights where they came in on your positions. I instinctively recognized the sound and screamed a warning. The warning was to late. The next thing I knew, the van was nothings more than smoke and debris and Black and Horn were no longer there. If nothing else, I have never laid claim to being a hero, and I am certainly not John Rambo, willing to take on the entire Russian Army for friendship and glory. I am pleased to say that experience and common sense have taught me better than that. I would venture a guess and say that had I stuck around rather than make like a rabbit and take off, I would most likely not be here to relate this story to you. That is in fact exactly what I did. It took me only a matter of seconds to determine that it was both unwise and unhealthy to stick around to try and help what amounted to nothing more than hamburger, and I was off like a shot (excuse the pun). I had on my webb belt and a canteen fun of water and my survival knife, so I had essentially everything that I needed to survive in the desert. I traveled North Westerly through the desert at night for about two days before I came to a major road and was able to thumb a ride into Tucson from New Mexico. When I arrived in Tucson it was in the early morning hours and I made my way to Wendelle Stevens home where I woke him up by knocking on his bedroom window. Being the good egg that he is, he let me into his home and gave me some food, the use of his shower and a shirt (the pants were to small). After I had refreshed myself I related to him everything that taken place during the past several days while he recorded it with his recorder and took notes. I have since learned that the original tapes have disappeared. After several hours of talking with Wendelle I pretty much told him everything that I could and he was kind enough to give me a ride home from his place. As we approached the apartment where I was then living with a lady friend, I spotted a large black car parked in front of the building. I asked Wendelle to drive around the corner from the apartment and drop me off. Making my way back to the apartment I let myself in the back door and then quietly looked out the front of the window to see somebody sitting inside the vehicle smoking a cigarette. They (whoever they were) were watching for me. It was time to leave and go into hiding. CHAPTER FOUR I GO ON THE LAM I spent the next several days in the apartment making plans for my disappearance. The first thing that I did was break up with my girl friend, which I wasn't happy about doing, but I remembered what happened with my wife and felt that for her own protection it would be best. I then took what few processions I had accumulated and sold them to a local thrift store and then moved to a small trailer on the west side of town. I stayed there for about a month and then packed my backpack and caught a bus to Phoenix, Arizona, where I made sure that I was arrested in the bus station by a Phoenix police officer on an old traffic ticket. When I arrived at the holding cell at the Phoenix police department I called my sister and had her drive to Phoenix to pick me up and pay the fines with money that I had left with her for this purpose. She then drove me back to Tucson where I spent the night at her home. The following morning I said my goodbyes and struck out to the edge of town and across the desert, traveling toward San Diego by night. It took me about a week to get there and once there I headed toward Los Angeles via the Coastal Highway. I arrived in L.A. almost three weeks after leaving Tucson. When I got to Los Angeles I spent my first night in town in a shelter for the homeless. This in itself was an experience that one could write several books about. Upon my arrival at the shelter it became a slow and tedious process of hurry up and wait. In order to get a meal you had to wait for several hours in the waiting room until they past out tickets for you to eat. Then you had to wait several more hours before they opened the dinning room for you to enter. Once you entered the dining room and went through the line to eat the simple meal (it wasn't mom's home cooking, but if you were hungry, it was good) you then went back out into the waiting room and waited for them to pass out more tickets for you to get a place to sleep for the night. The waiting was a pain, but I soon found by watching others that if you did wait you didn't eat and you did get a place to sleep for the night. By this time I was feeling fairly depressed and wasn't about to sleep outside another night. I needed a shower, which, as it turned out, was obligatory, along with a free louse inspection and spraying if it was found that you were carrying uninvited guest, and I needed time to think out my next move. It always seems that during the hardest times in my life I always turn to God. Not because I am overly zealous as a believer, but more because I do seem to get a certain amount of comfort from him during the most difficult times of my life, and sometimes I even get inspiration. I cannot and will not say whether or not it comes from God, but when I need it the most the help seems to appear only after I have done some serious praying. Such was the case this time. As I lay there praying quietly to myself, a rather forlorn and skinny looking fellow in the bed next to me looked over and said, "if you need a place to stay and hid for a while, why don't you go check out the Hudson House". It never occurred to me at the time, that this might have been a message from the man upstairs, but it certainly was an answer to my prayers. I thanked the fellow and went to sleep feeling much better about the events of the past several weeks. The next morning I woke up and went down to the free breakfast that they gave to all of the overnighters as we were called and then packed my kit and found a pay phone. I called the office of Social Services in L.A. and inquired about the HUdson House, and obtained the phone number. I then called and was told that there was one opening at House number one and given direction to the place. I had just enough money to take a L.A. Bus to the location of house number one which to my delight was just one block down from Grauman's Chinese Theater and the heart of Hollywood. The house was located on Franklin Avenue. When I arrived I was met at the door by a fellow who I shall refer to as Robert. The reason I am changing this young man's name will become obvious in a moment. When I came into the house I was escorted to the dinning room area and invited to sit down and fill out the necessary forms, which seemed fairly standard in a situation like this. The rules of Hudson House were explained to me. For the first two weeks there I was obligated to travel out with several other members of the house to solicit donations from the outlying communities for the American Missions Association, which sponsored the operations of the Hudson Houses. At the end of the two week period I would then be allowed time to go out and find a job in the local community and I would agree to pay the Hudson House operation $200.00 per week for room and board. Under the circumstances this seemed fairly reasonable to me and as I filled out the paperwork I thought that perhaps this would be the ideal situation for a while, then I would move on again once I was able to establish myself a little bit of a nest egg. What came next was more than just a little bit of a surprise. As I sat there filling out the paperwork I came across a form that at first seemed innocuous until I looked at the bottom of it. Printed there were the letters G, B, S, and the instructions to circle one. Not understanding what it meant I asked Bob and he told me that it meant Gay, Bi-sexual, or Straight. I didn't think anything more of it at that moment thinking that it was California and the people that lived there were a bit different to begin with so I circled S since I was neither of the first two (here comes the kicker gang). When I circled the S Bob got a funny look on his face and started to hem and hah a little bit. Finally he looked at me and said that there was a problem. "Oh?", says I. "What kind of a problem is that?" Hudson House is a halfway house for Gays . . .. "OOOOK!" I think to myself. I must have turned white or something, because Bob tried to be as nice as he could, and you have to bear in mind that all of this took place within a matter of milliseconds. Thinking fast, I looked him dead in the eye and said, "I don't have a problem with that if you don't". After several minutes of discussion with Bob, I assured him that I had nothing against Gays and would respect them and their lifestyle if they accorded me the same respect. Besides, I told him, I needed a place to live and more or less get my collective shit together and currently this was the best offer in town. After making a few phone calls to the administrators of the operation he agreed to give it a try for a while to see how things went. I could write a book about the following three months. It was an experience that I shall never forget, and believe it or not, one that I shall remember with a certain amount of fondness. I learned a great deal, and many of those lessons have helped me considerably since then. I will say this, however. There is nothing stranger than to have a gay in love with another gay come to you and ask advice about what he, or for that matter, she, should do to win over the other. By the time I left, they were referring to me as "Papa Bear", the "Ann Landers" of the Gay World (What a distinction!). I lived at the Hudson House in L.A. for about three months, during which time I did my two weeks of service and was then allowed to go out and seek employment. Using the services provided by the organization, I found a job working at a restaurant that was owned, operated, and frequented by gays in the local community, as a fry cook at $5.00 and hour. It wasn't the greatest paying job in the world, but it allowed me the opportunity to support myself and at the same time save enough money to begin phase two of my now established plan. I must admit that being more or less an observer of life, I enjoyed the real life drama that was taking place around me. One of these days, if I ever get to the point where I can stop being a UFO Investigator, I might sit down and write several books about the incidents. In many respects, I doubt seriously that you could go through much of that without splitting your sides in laughter. At the end of three months I had managed to save enough money to begin phase two, which was to leave California without notice and head eastward to the farm my mother had bought several years previously in Virginia, and where she had recently moved when she and my step father had retired. During the second week in November, just after I got my pay check from the restaurant, I informed the managers that I was quitting without notice. I then went back to the Hudson House and packed my bags telling everyone that I had to return to Arizona for an emergency in the family and walked to the bus station where I then caught a bus for Virginia. During the next eight years I spent a fairly quiet life. The first year I lived on my mother's farm, working and helping her and my dad to remodel the farmhouse. During this period my step-father was forced to return to work in Saudi Arabia as a construction engineer on a project there. I personally think it was because my mother was turning him into a lunatic, but in any case I spent most of the year alone with what at the time appeared to be the mad woman of chalet (or something like that). In any case she made me slightly crazy. After about a year, she and I more or less got tired of each other, and one day I told her that I didn't think that I would make a very good farmer. Her reply to that was, "Ok. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out". I left that day and moved into Lynchburg, Virginia, which was the closest town to the farm, and as it happened was the home of Liberty University and Gerry Falwell. Whom I later came to victimize on a fairly regular basis when I went into late night radio. During the next several years I quietly disassociated myself from UFO's and research into that field, eventually divorcing my wife and remarrying a second time. The marriage lasted about three months and ended rather nastily when she awoke one morning to inform me that she was pregnant and she didn't want to be, and that I was a royal pain in the ass, and that she didn't want to be married anymore. Not a real confidence booster. Especially in light of the fact that we had dated each other for the better part of a year and a half before I asked her to marry me, and we discussed the fact that I couldn't handle a second loss of this nature. Oh well . . . so much for promises and love. Needless to say I more or less fell apart at the seams for a while and went on a six month toot that would have made W.C. Fields proud. Eventually however, I did get my shit back together again. By this time I was working at a radio station in Crewe, Virginia and writing articles for the local weekly newspaper. She had the baby and tried to hit me for child support, and circumstances being what they were I am probably one of the few men in this country to be crazy enough to stand in front of a judge and tell him that he'd see me pay "that woman" $200.00 a month in child support, when he saw christ walk on earth for a second time, and get away with it. During the two years that I lived in Crewe, things were more or less quiet with the exception of one incident. The house that I lived in was just two blocks away from the local police department. The town used to be a railroad terminal station, but when the railroad cut back it more or less died on it's feet and there were only about nine hundred people living there and the town employed only two cops. Both of which reminded me slightly of Barney Fife and Gomer Pyle. I never realized that there really were those kind of people in the world. I was at home that night watching the television and had gotten up to get a soft drink from the kitchen. By this time I had sworn off alcohol of any kind, having learned a valuable lesson during my divorce from my second wife. When I came back into the living-room I tripped over my shoe laces of all things, and fell face forward onto the floor. As I fell, some one started firing automatic weapons fire into the front of the house. The gun fire went on for watch seemed to be an eternity, but in reality was only a few minutes, but later estimates by the local sheriff's department and state police stated that at least several thousands of rounds were emptied into the front of the house. Due to the construction of the house, a concrete foundation wall about three feet high is what apparently saved my life. At first the law enforcement agencies thought that it might be something that my ex- father in-law decided to do since I was not budging on inch on the child support thing, and he had the reputation of being slightly radical when it came to his daughters. They weren't able to prove anything though and the investigation more or less was dropped. In the meantime I decided it was a more healthy idea to find different lodgings and quietly disappear again. This time I moved to Blackstone, Virginia where I went to work for a gentleman by the name of George Walker, who owned a cattle farm and raised Angus Cattle. I worked for George for several months until I stepped down from a tractor one day and ruptured the ligaments in my right knee and had to have surgery. It took me several months to recover from that, and of course George's insurance paid for everything, so I had an extended vacation whether I wanted it or not. During this time I recovered and did a little writing for the local paper. It was at this time my mother contacted me and told that she had gone to a farm auction to buy a pig and fatten it up for the home farm's freezer. The wind was apparently blowing, she heard pig, 20, and assumed that she was bidding on a pig for twenty dollars. She raised her hand to bid and found out latter that she bought the pig farm for $20,000.00. Would I be interested in coming out and helping her and dad get it in operation?? After laughing hysterically and falling out of my chair, I informed her that she would see me working on a pig farm when pigs grew wings. She kept after me for about three months until finally I gave in. She got me with the bit about having to go into the hospital for surgery and how she was going to need help. Take a bit of advice guys. Watch out for that one. I found myself shoveling pig shit for six months by hand. The only good thing that came out of that was I met my third and present wife, and had the clearest sinuses I've had in thirty-eight years Phewww! I met my third wife Valerie and her children, when I went to find a part time job at the local radio station in Brookneal, Virginia. This one was more or less a whirlwind courtship. Neither of us was really interested in getting married, and found ourselves living together more for economy than anything else. Valerie had conned me into starting to go to church with her and after several months it came time for what the Baptist church referred to as revival. Somehow or other Valerie and I were volunteered to invite the visiting minister and his wife and our minister and his wife for dinner. Some how or other we found ourselves walking down the aisle the morning of the dinner. I still think that I was had, but in the end it was the best thing that happened to me. During the past three years Valerie has been supportive of my work and has stood by me all the way. That doesn't mean there haven't been a few interesting moments, but all in all it hasn't been bad at all. Shortly after our marriage I went to work at a radio station in Lynchburg called WLVA, which had the distinction of being one of the oldest radio stations in the country. Having once again told my mother that I was not a farmer and my nose couldn't take anymore, I went to work for WLVA and was able to win several awards for my production work and my nightly radio talk show. I might add that one of my favorite things to do was to take pot shots at Gerry Falwell, who may be greatly loved by the masses outside of Virginia, but who in reality gave the term hemorrhoid a new meaning, and is not thought to highly of in Lynchburg. It was during my tenure at WLVA I began to receive rather cryptic messages from my father in the mail telling me that some "Asshole" (not my words) was pestering the shit out him and his secretaries, and that I had "damned well better do something about it!" CHAPTER FIVE JOHN LEAR As it turned out the "Asshole" was John Lear, and he wasn't really an asshole at all. Unfortunately, my father misinterpreted John's persistence and desires to get in contact with me, and didn't really give him a chance. And to be perfectly honest, I, at the time wasn't really interested in contacting John because I had finally reached a point in my life where everything in my life was going well, and I was happy. During the course of the next several months I received several more terse messages from my father but did nothing about them. Then one night while working at the radio station I happened to see a story on the Associate Press Wire Service concerning Walt Andrus, Founder and Director of MUFON. The story seemed to be extremely out of character for Walt from what little I knew of him, and it was of such a nature that I could no longer ignore the possibility of coming back into the investigative field of UFOlogy. After giving it a great deal of thought I contacted Wendelle Stevens at his home in Arizona. Needless to say, Wendelle damned near had a heart attack when he heard my voice on the phone. Playing catch up for thirty or so seconds and finding out that I had a prominent part in a recent book published by Bill Steinman and himself, I agreed to read the book and asked him not to let anyone know that I was alive and well contrary to the belief that I had been killed, until I had a chance to think things through. He agreed and sent a copy of the Book "UFO Crash at Aztec" for me to read. Within the next few days the book arrived and I sat down to read it carefully. As I read it, it became apparent to me that other evidence had come to light that substantiate everything that I had been saying all along for the past twelve or so years. It was then that I made the decision to contact John Lear. When I called the number that had been forwarded to me by my father, I represented myself as Bill English's lawyer, saying that he was overseas and had asked me to contact him and find out what he wanted. John was very pleasant on the phone and explained that he want to talk to "Bill" about his viewing of "Blue Book Report #13. I then asked what he wanted to know and he explained that he was investigating the claims and needed more information concerning them. I told him that I would pass the message on and let Mr. English know. I then waited several more days before contacting John. This time as myself. We talked and he asked if he could meet me in Virginia to talk with me. the rest you already know from Chapter one of this document. Very shortly after John's visit, WLVA began to experience severe financial difficulties and there were forced to release much of the production and air staff, so I lost my job. It was at this point that my wife and I decided that it was now necessary for my to once again become active in the investigative fields. We had the money and opportunity to move so we came to Alamogordo, New Mexico for a number of reason. The first being, oddly enough, that I was born here. The second reason was because it was the last place I visited while actively investigating before my disappearance. I had unfinished business here. Since our return here I have been quietly investigating the Black and Horn incident, trying to gain evidence to verify what took place that night on the Missile Range. So far without much luck, but in the meantime I, and my associate Dick Shefler have founded UFINET, UFO News and Information Service which is devoted to cooperation with other Investigative Organizations and Investigators. Admittedly, there are a certain few that are giving me an ulcer because of the crud that is being said about myself and some of the material that is going out, but all in all we have met with a great deal of success. CLOSING Here is the story . . . make what you will of it, and form your own opinions, but certainly don't believe everything that you've read. As I have said before, the material I viewed in the Grudge/Blue Book Report #13, could have been false information designed to mislead those of you trying to get at the truth. However, based on the other information that has come to light over the past ten years, I doubt it. I present the story of what I saw with this possibility in mind and relate only what I had happen to me. Since 1977 there have been a total of what appeared to be fifteen attempts against my life. Like many of you I find it difficult to believe that if the government wanted me dead they would have failed in their efforts. Which leaves open several possibilities. The first and most unlikely being that they are complete incompetents, and the second being that the attempts are an effort to motivate me into certain directions. As it is I am making an effort to let the public know that whatever is going on, it is happening and that we need more evidence and information before we even know what questions to ask in order to obtain the answers that we as investigators so desperately need. Form your own opinions about this report I have written, but whatever you do, stay open to the possibilities and examine the world around you carefully before you become locked into a narrow minded view of the world around you. Bill English ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!wce2 From: WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Wants info on Nightmare Hall, Alternative 3 Message-ID: <91067.140340WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 8 Mar 91 19:03:40 GMT References: <91058.155057WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> <1991Mar8.032255.4646@bilver.uucp> Distribution: na Organization: Penn State University Lines: 16 Thanks, Don, for the posting on Alternative 3; there's an interesting letter from Leslie Watkins following up this in the February Nevada Aerial Group publication LEADING EDGE that I will distribute later on. BTW, the book is now back in print in Great Britain only, but copies are currently available from Arcturus Book Services. I gather that there is at least one UFO fringe group that has a copy of the original video version that they play at meetings in the U.S. West. It is interesting, too, to see what different groups consider the "secret truths" and what the "fiction"--I find it unlikely that people are being kidnapped and castrated to serve as slaves on mars; on the other hand, an alarming number of British scientists have died or committed suicide under rather odd circumstances, and the string of deaths has continued into the 1980s. Bill Ellis FOAFtale News Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!yale!eagle.wesleyan.edu!jraynor From: jraynor@eagle.wesleyan.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: moral vs. techological advancement Message-ID: <1991Mar8.161237.39924@eagle.wesleyan.edu> Date: 8 Mar 91 21:12:35 GMT References: <12939@helios.TAMU.EDU> <20550019@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> <1991Mar7.150544.7491@visix.com> Organization: Wesleyan University Lines: 16 article <1991Mar7.150544.7491@visix.com>, jim@visix.com (Jim Edwards-Hewitt) writes: > In article <20550019@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie > Lopez) writes: >> >>If we build weapons against an alien population, and if the aliens are >>friendly then we are not allowing any contact with them. > > Having weapons does not prevent contact with friendly aliens. But > having no weapons *does* prevent defense against unfriendly aliens. > If we are prepared for unfriendly visitors, and keep an open mind for > friendly ones, then we cover both bases. The first sensible, rational notion I've heard in a long time on this group. Being armed does not automatically mean having malicious intentions. Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!caen!ldoering From: ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Re: I Think I'm An Alien(In Defense) Summary: [Earth creature laughter equivalent] Message-ID: <1991Mar8.215821.23816@engin.umich.edu> Date: 8 Mar 91 21:58:21 GMT References: <28464.27b14c4d@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <20550021@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Sender: Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Organization: Operation Earthwatch Lines: 13 In article <20550021@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> deluded Lopez creature writes: >Okay Zontar! > >Bend over and kiss your ASS GOODBYE. You are about to meet your maker! >We are disconnecting your alien privilages!! > >XUPHCFC So, more impotent threats by Lopez enemy of interstellar amity. Do your worst, treacherous Earthling. My elders and I await your attacking with mild amusement. Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!dal1!mclarke From: mclarke@ac.dal.ca Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Paranet subscription cancellation (Please Pass Along) Message-ID: <3934@ac.dal.ca> Date: 8 Mar 91 13:22:50 GMT Lines: 6 Organisation: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada I need to cancel my Paranet subscription but cannot contact them through mail. (It is returned by the Postmaster because of invalid address errors) Could someone pass a message along for me? Michael Clarke Dalhousie University, Nova Scotia, Canada Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!samsung!dali.cs.montana.edu!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Philadelphia Experiment info (long) Keywords: Bizarre poof Navy Message-ID: <1991Mar8.235602.11830@bilver.uucp> Date: 8 Mar 91 23:56:02 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 321 Here's a file I located the other day whilst on KeelyNeT BBS. It seems to be more info on the alleged Philadelphia Experiment that is often discussed on the BBS echoes, and who knows, maybe it is just another piece of this crazy puzzle that might help us to better understand this kind of "high strangness". You be the judge :-) I *highly* recommend calling the KeelyNet BBS for their unusual collection of text files. Some are about building your own UFO and how to power it. --------------Cut Here------------------------------------------------------ Placed in the public domain from the VANGARD SCIENCES archives on September 8, 1989. Our mailing address is PO BOX 1031, Mesquite, TX 75150. Voice phone (Jerry 214-324-8741...Ron 214-484-3189 KeelyNet (214) 324-3501 The Philadelphia Experiment (the Invisible Ship Experiment) by Alex Saunders for Search Magazine During the Second World War, all participant countries were looking for a way to end hostilities quickly, no matter how fantastic the manner. If some unorthodox or revolutionary invention could do the trick, all the better, as long as the war terminated triumphantly for them. The U.S. Navy, for one, seemed obsessed with the idea of the perfect camouflage - the ultimate secret weapon - INVISIBILITY. If only one of their warships could be made invisible, think of the havoc it could cause the enemy. Havoc that could conceivably bring the bitter and long-enduring war to an end. On October 28, 1943, an experiment was conducted at the Philadelphia Navy Yard. This event, appropriately enough, became known as "The Philadelphia Experiment". A Navy escort destroyer named the DE 173 (better known as the U.S.S. Eldridge), with hundreds of tons of electronic equipment aboard, lay in its dock. Scientists on shore started the experiment which involved Dr. Albert Einstein's "Unified Field Theory", a completed version appearing in the period 1925-27. "Withdrawn" as incomplete, the revised theory returned in 1940. The result of the experiment was brain-rattling! The ship faded rapidly from sight in a foggy, green mist - and COMPLETELY VANISHED! Speechless amazement struck the wide-eyed scientists ashore. Then, after a few minutes (another account makes that "seconds"), the ship reappeared where it had formerly been, to its Philadelphia dock, and regained its visibility! But that was not all. Something equally stunning was discovered to have happened during its vanishment. During that period of a few minutes (or seconds) the ship had shown up at its other Norfolk Navy Yard dock in Virginia! So, not only had it successfully become invisible, but it had also been TELEPORTED! With the ship's disappearance, so had everything aboard disappeared. EVERYTHING! The many hundreds of tons of scientific equipment, furniture, food, etc. - and ALL PERSONNEL SUCH AS SAILORS AND OFFICERS! SOME WALKED THROUGH SOLID WALLS! More than half of them went insane due to the effects of pulsating energy fields and were quietly confined to mental institutions. Our report has it that "they were kept at Bethesda Naval Hospital out of communication with everybody for the duration of the war." Then there were those who, discharged as mentally unfit for further service, were pensioned off and sworn to secrecy. Several died. Others recovered, but at what a price! Page 1 Never were they to regain their former normalcy. True, the invisibility experiment fo the Navy ship was a total success, but to the men aboard, severe after-effects both physical and mental made it a real disaster. Some saw double, became invisible, laughed and staggered drunkenly, fainted, caught on fire to burn for days on end, walked through solid walls, disappeared temporarily and permanently, and worse. Worse a thousandfold because they could either "Go Blank" or "Get Stuck". The former, a not-too-unpleasant after effect due to being too long insided the force-field, caused invisibility. To "Get Stuck" was a side effect that kept the unfortunate from moving on his own volition, a truly Hell-on-Earth experience. He would remain transfixed unless two or more of the others withing the fields quickly touched him. If not, he would lapse into "Deep Freeze", which was definitely NOT psychological. Now his position must be marked out carefully with the force-field cutoff. Unable to move, and unaware of time as we know it, his "unfreezing" could occur in an hour or so only if another fellow- sufferer approached him and touched his face or bare skin. Or it could take twenty-four hours. In one case it took SIX MONTHS! To do the job of "unfreezing" required the construction of highly complicated equipment. But should he be "frozen" for more than a day, he would usually go mad - "stark raving, gibbering, running mad!" If, within the vicinity of the Philadelphia Navy Yard a group of sailors were seen to be putting their hands on another sailor, or upon "thin air", an enlightened observer would know what was going on. Quoting from Moore's book, page 130 : "The experiment...had been accomplished by using naval-type magnetic generators, known as DEGAUSSERS, which were 'pulsed' at resonant frequencies so as to 'create a tremendous magnetic field on and around a docked vessel.'" Predictably, the Office of the Naval Information has consistently denied the force-field experiment based on Einstein's Unified Field Theory, and will send standard form letters of denial, curtly worded, to anyone requesting information. Despite this, succeeding issues of the November, 1967 issue of SAGA magazine contained letters stoutly affirming the secret U.S. experiment. Some were written by sailors and officers who claimed to have actually been aboard the U.S.S. Eldridge during that time in October, 1943. Another claimant was the mother of a crew member who was put in an insane asylum as a result, and who remains there still. And so on. THE CLOUD-LIKE MIST - GREEN IN COLOR When the experimental Navy ship was invisibly teleported from Philadelphia to Norfolk, the period of time that transpired was, let us say, minutes-long, though as stated previously, some accounts declare it was done within seconds. Page 2 Question : Where did the vessel vanish INTO before its visible reappearance in Virginia? Another dimension would be the most logical answer, and one that was obviously LIVEABLE. It had to be liveable for the simple reason that all the men aboard returned once more to the ship's original berth in Philadelphia, not dead (as a poisonous atmosphere would have positively left them), but very much alive. We come now to two other great mysteries, UFOs and.....Well, first, I would ask the reader of this article to take a paper map of the world. Spread it on a flat surface. After drawing a line from Miami, Florida, to Puerto Rica, draw another line to Bermude and back again to Miami. What you will now have is a vast, watery triangle of the famous "Bermude Triangle" wherein ships and planes (along with all those aboard) have inexplicably disappeared. And it may very well be that there is a definite connection between the three - the Philadelphia Experiment project, UFO's and the Bermuda Triangle. Furthermore, as the ships in the Bermuda Triangle disappeared, survivors and witnesses have reported a related sight. The ships were ENCIRCLED BY A CLOUD-LIKE MIST, GREEN IN COLOR - PRECISELY the way the U.S.S. Eldridge was alleged to have vanished! Does this then mean that the "place" into which the above disappeared is the very same "place" where ships and planes of the Bermuda Triangle disappeared? That is, through "doorways" into another dimensional world in time and space? Entering such a habitat was the hair-raising claim made by some of the crew of the U.S.S. Eldridge on their return from being teleported. Not only that, but they swore that while there they had SEEN, and TALKED, to ALIENS! From Moore's book, page 68, are these chilling words: "Presumably, if a vessel could be projected into another space or energy continuum through mistake or design, it might also be possible that its occupants could encounter entities on the other side of the curtain of invisibility, shrouding contiguous but nontangent worlds. It is intriguing to concieve the possibility that an experiment sponsored by the U.S. Navy may have accidentally managed to pass through a doorway into another world more than thirty-five years ago and that the experiment and the results have been kept a closely guarded secret ever since." So, can this other "place" be the home, or origin, of the elusive UFO's? For these vari-shaped craft have been observed in the skies of the Bermuda Triangle, not a few times, but many, many times. THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT is not without discrepancies. Make no mistake about that. More than one are to be found, but with a subject as explosively stunning and momentous as the one in William L. Moore's book, this is to be expected. Take these examples: Page 3 Regarding the time period of the U.S.S. Eldridge's teleportation, some reports say it was a matter of SECONDS (see pages 24, 128 and 249), while other reports claim it was measured in MINUTES (see pages 47, 89, 110 and 135). Some reports claim the October 28, 1943 experiment occurred while the ship was docked in Philadelphia (see pages 130 and 131). Other reports statethe experiment was conducted AWAY from the dock, out at sea (se pages 110 and 143). To add to the confusion comes a claim that there was more than one experiment, with one taking place at dockside, the other at sea (see page 250). The copy of the Navy's form letter of denial is odd in that it contains errors in spelling and grammar (see pages 134, 135 and 136). This from the powerful and literate U.S. government! Surely a top government agency does not issue sloppily composed forms? Also, in it is the statement that Einstein never completed his Unified Field Theory. Yet elsewhere in the book mention is made that the theory was finally revised and completed (see page 150). The claim is made (see page 56) that "some few people can somehow tell you a man's name and his home address UNDER HYPNOSIS EVEN THOUGH NEVER HAVING EVER MET OR SEEN THIS PERSON" is just too incredible to believe. So much of men's existence depends on his ability to recollect and recognize past experiences. He cannot make it through a day without this basic ability. Consequently, how could a person give an individual's name, address, etc. when that person has never met the individual before? In spite of the foregoing discrepancies - and there are more - I would urge the very sober reading of William L. Moore's electrifying book, THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT, which contains much more than my brief outline has indicated. Richly detailed and including many impressive photographs, I believe it is of paramount importance and should never - NEVER! - be ignored. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT" by Bill Moore - Published by Fawcett Crest ------------------------------------------------------------------------ VANGARD comments... Peter Kelly has an interesting theory which states that the magnetic field is gives matter its form while the electric field contains the information which determines the characteristics of the mass. Peter says that the magnetic field can be suppressed to allow access to the electric field. When this occurs, the electric field can be "re- programmed" for the desired characteristics you would like the mass to exhibit. The magnetic field is then increased while the "charactered electrical field is maintained". This then brings about transmutation. Page 4 We of VANGARD have had many interesting discussions with our own group as well as with researchers, writers and others interested in such topics. If the magnetic field is intensified while being pulsed at the natural resonant field of a mass, it would act like a ballon filled with water. As the balloon was squeezed, the particles which make up the mass would be pushed out, through a tube (4th dimension?) to a point in the past where the mass had been. At that point, another balloon which represents the "phantom" of the ship when it was there, would be "re- filled" to allow the mass to teleport to a previous location. Now, if the crew on the mass being teleported were to panic, a sudden removal of the power BEFORE THE TELEPORTATION was complete would result in the balloons surging from one to another until equilibrium was restored. This would in turn, cause radical changes in all structures involved in the process, especially living systems, refer to HOMEOPA1, DNAMAST1 and DNAMAST2 on the KeelyNet BBS for further information as the ability of cells and mass to "record" patterns in which they occur. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ KeelyNet is (214) 324-3501 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thank you for your time, comments, contributions and support! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!samsung!dali.cs.montana.edu!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: UFO 61 Month Cycle Theory Keywords: Pattern Time UFO Message-ID: <1991Mar9.000126.11894@bilver.uucp> Date: 9 Mar 91 00:01:26 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 157 I thought this might be interesting to post this here. See what you think. Don --------------Cut Here----------------------------------------------------- Taken from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Sponsored by Vangard Sciences PO BOX 1031 Mesquite, TX 75150 There are ABSOLUTELY NO RESTRICTIONS on duplicating, publishing or distributing the files on KeelyNet! November 24, 1990 61CYCLE.ASC -------------------------------------------------------------------- this file courtesy of the Darkside at 314-644-6705 -------------------------------------------------------------------- A Revival of the 61-Month Wave Theory by Donald A. Johnson, Ph.D. P.O. Box 161 Kirkland, Washington 98033 The Knowles family CE-II encounter with an ovoid-shaped UFO on the Nullarbor Plateau in Western Australia January 20th was right on target in terms of time and place, according to the 61-month wave cycle first proposed by Dr. David Saunders back in 1971. At least two other UFO encounters of major importance occurred that same night in Australia and Tasmania. If the indications are correct and this is not an isolated incident but the beginnings of a major UFO wave, we will have to reconsider the significance of this long-term prediction in terms of our ability to predict and act upon the occurrence of this and future UFO waves. Dr. David Saunders first noticed the regularity in major American UFO waves (1947, 1952, 1957 and 1967) in the early months of 1971 while working with the UFOCAT computer catalog at the University of Colorado. He determined that what distinguished these UFO waves from other, possibly publicity-generated UFO waves, was the shape of their distributions. These were waves of UFO reports in which the frequency of daily reports began building slowly, built to a crescendo, and then diminished rapidly. These negatively-skewed UFO waves occurred with a periodicity of five years, or more accurately 61-months, with an accuracy in peak prediction to within a day or so (1). Furthermore, another characteristic of these five-year waves was the progressively eastward movement of their loci of activity. The first wave crested in July 1947 and occurred predominantly in the Pacific and Mountain States. The 1952 wave reached its peak in late August 1952 with the majority of reports coming from Midwestern States. Page 1 Each successive wave appeared to move approximately 30 degrees east in longitude. The absence of a 1962 wave was accounted for by a search of South American references which revealed a Brazilian and Argentinian UFO wave in September, and the 1967 wave--which began on the Eastern seaboard of the United States--actually crested in November of that year in England. Saunders was able to make his first prediction that a major UFO wave would occur in the vicinity of 30 degrees East longitude and peak in December 1972 over a year prior to its occurrence. This prediction was borne out by the occurrence of a UFO wave in South Africa in late November. However, most ufologists lost interest in the theory when the predicted waves for 1977-78 and 1983 failed to materialize (so far as we can tell). Both of these waves should have occurred in countries controlled predominantly by governments unfriendly to the West. Saunders continues to have faith in the theory and has offered a consistent, convincing response to critics: that it is unfair to judge the merits of the theory on what we may or may not hear about from the Soviet Union. According to calculations (see table below), the next great UFO wave should occur between now and the beginning of March, centered at 120 degrees East longitude. The Nullarbor Plain is at approximately 127 degrees East longitude. The wave should also unfold in the same characteristic manner as the earlier waves, building slowly in intensity in the number of daily reports and diminishing rapidly after reaching a peak. Table 1 The 61-Month Wave Cycle and Corresponding UFO Waves Predicted Actual Peak Predicted Actual Date Date Longitude Location July 1947 July 8, 1947 120o W Northwestern U.S. Aug. 1952 Aug. 3, 1952 90o W Central & Eastern U.S. Sep. 1957 Aug. 21, 1957 60o W Central & Eastern U.S. Oct. 1962 Sep. 1962 30o W Brazil Nov. 1967 Oct. 24, 1967 0o W Atlantic, England Dec. 1972 Nov. 1972 30o E South Africa Jan. 1978 ? 60o E ? Feb. 1983 ? 90o E ? Mar. 1988 Feb. 1988(?) 120o E Australia(?) A corrollary to the Saunders' spatio-temporal wave theory is that physical evidence cases should occur at approximately the same time world-wide; thus, if the Australian close encounters continue to occur during the pre-dawn hours, we should expect U.S. CE-II cases to occur in the evening hours between 4 and 10 p.m., since the United States and Australia have a time difference of some 8 to 11 hours. Page 2 We shall soon see if new evidence merits the revival of an old theory. (1) Saunders, D.R. (1976). A spatio-temporal invariant for major UFO waves. In N. Dornbos (ed.), Proceedings of the 1976 CUFOS Conference. Evanston, IL: Center for UFO Studies. -------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have comments or other information relating to such topics as this paper covers, please upload to KeelyNet or send to the Vangard Sciences address as listed on the first page. Thank you for your consideration, interest and support. Jerry W. Decker.........Ron Barker...........Chuck Henderson Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet -------------------------------------------------------------------- If we can be of service, you may contact Jerry at (214) 324-8741 or Ron at (214) 242-9346 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Boston UFO Tues. morning Message-ID: <20550023@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 8 Mar 91 15:15:09 GMT References: <1991Mar6.144329.6450@cbnews.att.com> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 34 / hpfcso:alt.alien.visitors / amyl@cbnews.att.com (amy.lanning) / 7:43 am Mar 6, 1991 / Hi All... Does anyone have any substantial information on a supposed UFO that was sighted early Tuesday morning along the East Coast around Boston? A Boston radio station reported that around 3:30 am many folks, including those in the control tower at Boston's Logan Airport, reported seeing a glowing white triangle with a trailing blue flame. Others described it as a bright neon color, but also noted the blue flame. It apparently was making large figure-8 movements in the sky and was sighted from Southern New Hampshire to the South Shore (below Boston). I'd just like to know if any East Cost netters had first-hand sightings of it, and what they think it might be. Inquiring minds want to know....... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= A.M. Lanning amyl@cbnews AT&T BELL LABORATORIES ---------- I am not from the east coast but I know that some military design and testing takes place in Boston. Maybe the UFO was a stealth bomber?? *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* * Willie Lopez [ wjl@hpfickle.fc.hp.com ] Hewlett-Packard Company * * Fort Collins, Colorado U.S.A. * *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* * This posting is of my own free will without the knowledge or consent * * of my employer. My comments express ONLY MY opinions and interests * * and NOT my employer's. Further, my comments are not directed toward * * any specific person, dead or alive, or organization; any such * * reference is purely coincidental. * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* Path: ns-mx!uunet!decwrl!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!bbn.com!rochester!pt.cs.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!wt0b+ From: wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The BELIEVERS Message-ID: Date: 8 Mar 91 22:42:32 GMT References: <20550022@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 6 In-Reply-To: <20550022@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> It's amazing how deluded humans can get. Also sad. -Me All you see is an illusion of your beliefs. Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!liv!smc From: SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sex Subject: Re: I think I'm an Alien Message-ID: <91068.155439SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Date: 9 Mar 91 15:54:39 GMT References: <91053.190338SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> <1991Mar3.223642.16220@engin.umich.edu> Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 58 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:402 alt.sex:27326 In article <1991Mar3.223642.16220@engin.umich.edu>, ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) says: > >In article <91053.190338SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes: >(regarding the "pannini 1991 soccer album") >> >>Well, what you do is you get your album and it's got all these >>spaces in it surrounded by lots of useless facts and then you go >>to a shop, pick up a packet of stickers and the shopkeeperbeing >>will take a ridiculous amount of money off you. Then you rush >>excitedly home and open the packet to find you haven't got your >>Tony Cottee after all and you've got *yet* *another* Peter >>"quasimodo" Beardsley. And you stick all your little stickers >>in the little spaces surrounding the useless facts, smother >>the album in baby oil and rub yourself down with it. > >I am astonishing to hear this. It is appearing that similarities between >fraternal Earth creatures and my own Murakhzz race are more numerous than >I or elders of mine were realizing. We also are having sexual rituals >involving friction between body parts and compilations of printed matter, >lubricated with oleaginous fluids. Normally are we using our own books, >but from personal experimentation I am finding that pleasure is heightened >with use of Earth volumes, particularly your Whitley Streiber's >"Communion". I'm sure you'd get a lot more pleasure out of the Sunday Times colour supplement. >Curiously, I am not having noticed any feelings of shock >or horror such as mentioned by other Earth brothers when handling the >non-fiction works of this Streiber. Connect it up to the mains and you will do. >McEwan creature, upon discovery of this similarity, we are to forgiving >you for all offenses upon interstellar amity. We withdraw threat to >destroy your city with fire, contingent of course upon the occurance of I should fucking well hope so. >no further provocations. >Please, Sonia with an "i", if you are to recalling any other interesting >Earth sexual practices, we would be extremely interested to hearing about >them, for research purposes only of course. I told you about the one with the tinned pineapple, glace cherries, and the squirty cream you get in one of those aerosol thingies didn't I? Well I tried it with my Mr John "sex god" Major MP posters but it wasn't the same. And in reply to the person who asked if you take the pineapple out of the tin first, well that was an inspirational thought and I'll have to try it next time. > >Yours in interstellar amity, >Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch It was my pleasure. Yours with love as ever, Sonia. Path: ns-mx!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!liv!smc From: SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: moral vs. techological advancement Message-ID: <91068.161150SMC@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> Date: 9 Mar 91 16:11:50 GMT References: <12939@helios.TAMU.EDU>,<20550019@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> <1991Mar5.083553.21593@news.iastate.edu> Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 22 In article <1991Mar5.083553.21593@news.iastate.edu>, xck27@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU says: > >Oh yes there is. As said in the book of revealations:"The fifth angel shall >blow his trumpet and a star will fall....they will torture us for five >months but cannot kill us.....their pain will be the pain of a scorpion >stinging a man." This gives us obvious evidence that aliens will come >to torment us with large musical instruments similar to trumpets that play >rap and country music. As revelations also says Cats don't speak cause >they don't got lips. I don't have lips either, but that's because I'm fucking ugly. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ EVERTONEVERTONEVERTONEVERTONEVERTONEVERTONEVERTONEVERTONEVERTONEVERTONEVERTON +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Sonia The University of Liverpool smc@uk.ac.liverpool Fax: +44 51 794 5588 Di sclaimer: you can't sue me, I'm certifiable and all my words are copyright =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=except these:=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= STONEROSESHAPPYMONDAYSCHARLATONSNORTHSIDETHEHIGHINSPIRALCARPETNEWFADSRIDETHES MITHSNEWORDERJOYDIVISIONPARISANGELSTHEFARMTHELASFLOWEREDUPpaulscullymanunited =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!umich!vela!sphaak From: sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: moral vs. technological advancement Message-ID: <5357@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Date: 10 Mar 91 06:00:08 GMT Reply-To: sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak) Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI Lines: 36 In article <1991Mar7.150544.7491@visix.com> jim@visix.com (Jim Edwards-Hewitt) w [mrites:[K >Having weapons does not prevent contact with friendly aliens. But >having no weapons *does* prevent defense against unfriendly aliens. >If we are prepared for unfriendly visitors, and keep an open mind for >friendly ones, then we cover both bases. I agree with you and want to throw my two pennies worth in by way of a "what if" question. "What if" a long time ago, there were ten thousand advanced, prosperous, peace-loving, friendly, outgoing alien races in the galaxy, but there were at the same time one hundred equally advanced, aggressive, xenophobic, war-mongering, aggressive, expansionist races obsessed with enslaving their neighbors? "What if" one of those expansionist races is about to expand into our neighborhood? Is it worth the gamble to take the chance and NOT prepare ourselves for the worst possible case? Because the worst possible case would be not just enslavement, but our extinction at the figurative hands of an enemy which we never see. It's easy enough to imagine a single unescorted frigate discovering us, parking out beyond the orbit of mars, and bombarding us for as long as it takes to poison the atmosphere... or to force us to surrender unconditionally, if the alien is not so "inhumane" as that! Maybe in 50 years or so, we should seriously discuss a system defense of some kind... God help us if we are discovered before that. [m[K Warmongers always start off in the minority, but then kill off everyone else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____ Ross Starkey : The Tygers of : "Save a /****\ Dept of Geography & Urban Planning : Wrath are WISER : Thermonuclear \****/ Wayne State University : than the Horses : Bomb--drop /**\ Downtown DE-Troit! : of Destruction : a whale!" KABOOM --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!ivey From: ivey@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: TOWEL WANTED Message-ID: <29003.27d9f67f@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 10 Mar 91 15:03:59 GMT References: <1991Mar7.210043.20408@ugle.unit.no> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 28 In article <1991Mar7.210043.20408@ugle.unit.no>, iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad) writes: > I have a problem. > > This summer I will go on a vacation, but unfortunately my towel has > disappeared - presumably stolen (I surely didn't MISLAY anything as > important as this...). It was a large towel with the words > "Don't Panic" > written on it, in large, friendly letters. Losing it is a great loss > to me, and now I hope some of you guys out there can help me find an > equivalent towel for me to purchase, hopefully in Norway, or at least > somewhere in Europe (France, perhaps?) :-) > > Thanx in advance! > > -- > > // // // // // > // ___ ___ ___ //__// ___ ___ // ___ ___ _/_ ___ ___// > // // // // // //_// // // ___// // //_// //_// //__ // ___// // // > // // // //_// //__ // // // // // // || //__ __// //_ // // //_// // > // > __// iharkest@solan.unit.no | Norwegian Institute of Technology (NTH) > --- o --- > --- `` I never really found myself until I lost my mind '' --- Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!think.com!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Wants info on Nightmare Hall, Alternative 3 Message-ID: <1991Mar9.183128.916@bilver.uucp> Date: 9 Mar 91 18:31:28 GMT References: <91058.155057WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> <1991Mar8.032255.4646@bilver.uucp> <91067.140340WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> Distribution: na Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 71 Posted: Sat Mar 9 12:31:28 1991 In article <91067.140340WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >Thanks, Don, for the posting on Alternative 3; there's an interesting letter >from Leslie Watkins following up this in the February Nevada Aerial Group >publication LEADING EDGE that I will distribute later on. BTW, the book is now >back in print in Great Britain only, but copies are currently available from >Arcturus Book Services. I've got a compilation of the last two years worth of recent UFO events and happennings that I will be more than happy to post here. :-) And indeed, Bob Girard of Arcturus Book Services is an excellent source of hard to find UFOLOGY related books. He's well known to the Fido UFO and ParaNet echoes. I understand that the book called "The Matrix" is *much* requested by many folks but we often hear that it's no longer being printed or copies are _hard_ to come by...that's one book I wouldn't mind getting ahold of. >I gather that there is at least one UFO fringe group that has a copy of the >original video version that they play at meetings in the U.S. West. It is >interesting, too, to see what different groups consider the "secret truths" >and what the "fiction"--I find it unlikely that people are being kidnapped >and castrated to serve as slaves on mars; on the other hand, an alarming >number of British scientists have died or committed suicide under rather odd >circumstances, and the string of deaths has continued into the 1980s. > >Bill Ellis >FOAFtale News Yea..the Alternative 3 scenario has been discussed before on many of the echoes but there's been no _hard_ evidence to conclusively prove it out yet that I've seen. It would be a good thing to see what's on that TAPE and know what all the fuss is about. Could it be that the "group" out West is a MUFON chapter?? I live in a state (Florida) that has had more than it's share of "anomalous behaviour" in the last few years, and certainly the GulfBreeze area is well known for it's *repeated* UFO sightings I can't *prove* it, but my GUT feeling is that the US Military knows and is protecting a UFO base underneath the nearby Gulf of Mexico. Most people tend to get all tripped up over the smoke and mirrors show involving Ed Walters and the GB sightings. The REAL story _isn't_ about Ed but has to do with the more than 350 people in the GB area who have filed with MUFON their sighting data and MUFON has done a good deal of footwork. Although I'm NOT a MUFON member, I have been to a local chapter meeting in Orlando at Jim Greenen's house, the local director and regularly correspond with him on our local and UFINET echoes. Let me tell you, there's alot more to all of this than Ed Walters....enough so that many many people are doing investigation. Even with the sensationalized accounts that have to date so far been shown by the media, the latest being the "America's Best Kept Secrets" show of a little while back on ABC, the story ending on Gulfbreeze hasn't been written yet and I seriously doubt that it will just "go away". There's something MUCH deeper going on here and it deserves more attention by the public than superficial media hype. Best Regards, Don -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-vcd!miked From: miked@hp-vcd.HP.COM (Mike Dobbs) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Paranet subscription cancellation (Please Pass Along) Message-ID: <12790001@hp-vcd.HP.COM> Date: 11 Mar 91 17:43:33 GMT References: <3934@ac.dal.ca> Organization: Hewlett Packard, Vancouver, WA Lines: 4 Posted: Mon Mar 11 11:43:33 1991 I fowarded your request. ------ Mike Dobbs / Internet: miked@vcd.hp.com Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!igloo!ddsw1!obdient!amiganet!rhomer From: rhomer@amiganet.chi.il.us (Ron Homer) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: For Real Message-ID: Date: 4 Mar 91 08:45:06 GMT References: <1991Feb26.184804.27265@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu><20550016@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems Lines: 10 Okay, Enough of the B.S. people...there are a lot of us out here who want REAL information! Leave the humor for rec.humor or something...if you don't think this group is a serious endevor then go blow on another group! ============================================================================== | Ronald H. Homer "You Give Me Funky Love Funky Love" | | rhomer@amiganet "Don't Dream It...Be It." | | rhomer@multinet "Show Us Your Mother Riff!" | ============================================================================== Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!ucsd!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!igloo!ddsw1!obdient!amiganet!rhomer From: rhomer@amiganet.chi.il.us (Ron Homer) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The Strategon Speaks Message-ID: Date: 4 Mar 91 08:46:03 GMT References: <20550018@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems Lines: 8 You suck too! ============================================================================== | Ronald H. Homer "You Give Me Funky Love Funky Love" | | rhomer@amiganet "Don't Dream It...Be It." | | rhomer@multinet "Show Us Your Mother Riff!" | ============================================================================== Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!ucsd!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!tellab5!laidbak!amiganet!multinet!rhomer From: rhomer@multinet.UUCP (Ron Homer) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Kansas City Corn Fields Message-ID: Date: 7 Mar 91 07:11:27 GMT Organization: Not an Organization Lines: 15 Okay, this may not be due to aliens, but many think so...so On "Unsolved Mysteries" they had a show about Very NEATLY bent Straw, Corn, Wheat,etc. in various fields around the world. At the end of the show they said that the ahd videotaped what had happened at one of the fields the previous night and after the tapes were analyzed they would be shown on the show at a later date. Well...what happened? I don't think I missed it...did the government do it's usual...destroy or hide the evidence to keep us ignorant? ============================================================================== | Ronald H. Homer "You Give Me Funky Love Funky Love" | | rhomer@multinet.chi.il.us "Don't Dream It...Be It." | | rhomer@amiganet.chi.il.us "Show Us Your Mother Riff!" | ============================================================================== Path: ns-mx!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!acetek.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com (Steven Dell Timpson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: RE Philidelphia Project Message-ID: <2678@shodha.enet.dec.com> Date: 11 Mar 91 21:03:30 GMT Sender: news@shodha.enet.dec.com Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 14 > > A Navy escort destroyer named the DE 173 (better known as the U.S.S. > Eldridge), with hundreds of tons of electronic equipment aboard, lay in > its dock. Scientists on shore started the experiment which involved Dr. > Albert Einstein's "Unified Field Theory", a completed version appearing > in the period 1925-27. "Withdrawn" as incomplete, the revised theory > returned in 1940. The result of the experiment was brain-rattling! > I am a new comer to this file and I have to reply to this. There is no "Unified Field Theory." Einstein died working on this and to date there still is none. Steve Path: ns-mx!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!acetek.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com (Steven Dell Timpson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Boston UFO Tues. morning Message-ID: <2679@shodha.enet.dec.com> Date: 11 Mar 91 21:17:26 GMT Sender: news@shodha.enet.dec.com Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 3 Turns out it was just a fireball (meteorite) Steve Path: ns-mx!uunet!visix!news From: jim@visix.com (Jim Edwards-Hewitt) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Parapsch Depts.? Message-ID: <1991Mar11.213523.26915@visix.com> Date: 11 Mar 91 21:35:23 GMT References: <10985@aggie.ucdavis.edu> Sender: news@visix.com Reply-To: jim@visix.com (Jim Edwards-Hewitt) Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, Virginia Lines: 19 In article <10985@aggie.ucdavis.edu>, ez000939@shep.ucdavis.edu (Squid) writes: > > I'm curious if there are any real parapschyological departments in > US colleges? Basically what I want to know is if there is really > any research in this area still going on, and if so how to get > a hold of the departments involved. Parapsychology was in the psychology department at Yale when I was there ('84). I don't know how much research was done, there may have just been one professor with an interest, but there was an undergraduate course in the subject. -- -- Jim Edwards-Hewitt jim@visix.com Visix Software Inc. ...!uunet!visix!jim __ In the future, men will be women, and women will be men. -- David Byrne Path: ns-mx!uunet!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!caen!ldoering From: ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Kansas City Corn Fields Summary: I am authorized to reveal the truth... Message-ID: <1991Mar12.021414.16791@engin.umich.edu> Date: 12 Mar 91 02:14:14 GMT References: Sender: Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Operation Earthwatch Lines: 39 Not to worrying, friendly Earthling Ron Homer. We here at Operation Earthwatch are to considering this newsgroup a model of accuracy and serious discussion that other groups on your Usenet would do well to emulate. In article rhomer@multinet.UUCP (Ron Homer) writes: >Okay, this may not be due to aliens, but many think so...so >On "Unsolved Mysteries" they had a show about Very NEATLY bent Straw, Corn, >Wheat,etc. in various fields around the world. >At the end of the show they said that the ahd videotaped what had happened at >one of the fields the previous night and after the tapes were analyzed they >would be shown on the show at a later date. >Well...what happened? I don't think I missed it...did the government do it's >usual...destroy or hide the evidence to keep us ignorant? Cannot be speaking with authority on your crop circles in other Earth political subunits, but we at Operation Earthwatch have observed the late-night construction of such agricultural anomalies in your Midwestern United States by group of renegade Earthlings who have misappropriated one of our spacecrafts. Leader of this group is employee of Hewlett- Packard in Fort Collins, Colorado, designated Willie Lopez. Most of crop circlings we saw created in one night after Lopez creature and fellow members of his evil cabal departed Earth entertainment establishment called "Stu's Bonfire Cafe" located on your Earth highway 287 between cities of Fort Collins and Loveland. You will not to seeing evidence of this on "Unsolved Mysteries", because primitive Earth videotaping device located in field was regrettably damaged by carelessly discarded beer bottle. Naturally, to avoid panic and confusion in your underdeveloped Earth society, elders of mine were immediately contacting FEMA and Air Force, who naturally dispatched your Earth "Men In Black" to ensure silence on the part of producers of "Unsolved Mysteries." Am hoping this clears things up. Yours in interstellar amity, Zontar, Vice Sub-Arch Imperator, Operation Earthwatch Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!unmvax!nmt.edu!ucsd!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The BELIEVERS Message-ID: <20550025@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 11 Mar 91 15:10:42 GMT References: <20550022@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 23 / hpfcso:alt.alien.visitors / wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins) / 3:42 pm Mar 8, 1991 / It's amazing how deluded humans can get. Also sad. -Me All you see is an illusion of your beliefs. ---------- Oh, my friend, what you don't know: belief is never illusion. Me, too. *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* * Willie Lopez [ wjl@hpfickle.fc.hp.com ] Hewlett-Packard Company * * Fort Collins, Colorado U.S.A. * *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* * This posting is of my own free will without the knowledge or consent * * of my employer. My comments express ONLY MY opinions and interests * * and NOT my employer's. Further, my comments are not directed toward * * any specific person, dead or alive, or organization; any such * * reference is purely coincidental. * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* Path: ns-mx!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!ucsd!pacbell.com!att!linac!midway!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!vax1.cc.lehigh.edu!lehi3b15!batman!mcnamarJ From: mcnamarJ@batman.moravian.EDU (meggezone) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: hEI hEI Summary: At last, at least a clue. Keywords: circular gravity Message-ID: <2934@batman.moravian.EDU> Date: 7 Mar 91 03:23:54 GMT References: <1991Feb8.124600.22017@eik.ii.uib.no> <2014@cluster.cs.su.oz.au> Organization: interzone Lines: 105 In article <2014@cluster.cs.su.oz.au>, fred@karl.cs.su.OZ.AU (Fred Curtis) writes: [A lot of weird stuff] > Can anyone tell me about the green golfball joke? No. I have, however, been given permission by the Supreme Council of Councillorial Supremacy, and by the Federal Bureau of Dogs, Cats, and Bunny Rabbits to disclose the punch line. Drum roll, please: The punch line of the Green Golfball Joke: Don't be so goddamn' impatient; you've waited THIS long, right? Here it comes! The Punchline: "A fox burying his grandmother at midnight under a hollybush." Like it or lump it. -- Obligatory /\ ^ ^ /\ Andy. Gargoyle: ( |@ @| ) "I'm up from Hell, once in a while." / ( ^ ) \ /\ -Mark E. Smith ( [---] ) //\\_ "If you can't think once, don't think / __ - __ \/ \/ twice." ( _| |_ ) -Pete Shelley \| |/ "Don't Fuck With the BVM." WW WW -Little-known Jesuit motto. Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!wce2 From: WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: 1965 Kecksburg, Penn., "UFO" Crash Message-ID: <91071.084100WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 12 Mar 91 13:41:00 GMT Organization: Penn State University Lines: 163 Following up on the "Unsolved Mysteries" postings lately, here is the latest report on the mystery "fireball" impact in Western Pennsylvania by Stan Gordon, Director of Operations for The Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained, as published in THE GATE, Vol. 6, No. 4 (April 1991):7-8. Stan has been doing field investigation of this incident for many years. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- December 9, 1990, will mark the 25th anniversary of what appears to have been one of the most important cases in UFO history. The incident has been well known in the Westmoreland County area of Pennsylvania since it occurred, and has been the subject of much conversation on Pittsburgh area radio talk shows. the incident was recently revealed to the country when NBC's Unsolved Mysteries featured the episode as its season's premiere on the evening of September 19, 1990. When the incident occurred on December 9, 1965, both local and national news services covered the event. After the official Air Force explanation that the aerial object observed was only a meteor, the media never pursued the case. What we knew at that time, was that thousands of people had observed a huge fireball over northern Canada that proceeded over Michigan, Ohio, and Penn- sylvania, while being observed from neighboring states as well. As the object passed over the Pittsburgh area, police and news agencies were swamped with calls. Outside of Kecksburg, a small rural village in Mt. Pleasant Township, two children were playing. One of them caught a glimpse of the fiery object as it descended into a wooded area across a hill. Almost immediately, a blue column of smoke rose up among the trees. After the location was reported to police, it took only about three hours for military personnel and equipment to arrive at the site. Hundreds of people jammed the roads to try to have a look at the object. While only a few had the opportunity to see the impacted craft, many of the witnesses observed the military vehicles, and watched the activity. Numerous observers later that evening, reported a large, flat bed trailer covered with a tarpaulin, being escorted out of the area by military jeeps. The Air Force later claimed that nothing was found. Prior to the airing of the Unsolved Mysteries segment, we had been given information from an informant, who was an Air Force Officer in 1965, that the object had arrived at an Air Force base in Ohio during the early morning hours of December 10, 1965. After the TV segment, many new sources of information came our way, includ- ing a major witness whose information would help confirm that of the other witness. We can now piece together what happened to the object once it left the woods of Kecksburg. The military convoy left the village and continued down the Greenburg- Mount Pleasant Road. It then apparently followed Route 119 towards New Stanton, then along Route 40 near Washington, PA. The convoy continued [along Interstate 70? --BE] until it reached (then active) Lockbourne Air Force Base, near Columbus, Ohio. During the early morning hours, the base went on red alert. According to one officer who was stationed there, a flat bed trailer truck with accompanying escort entered the base by a back gate, which was highly unusual. The flat bed was pulled up to a hanger and backed in. A guard unit was set up away from the hanger. Only people with a Crypto clearance [Anyone know what this is? --BE] were allowed near the hanger. An order was given that if anyone should approach the hanger, they would have only one chance to respond to identify themselves. The guards were told to shoot to kill. About two hours later it was learned [by the officer? --BE] that the red alert was over. The convoy had left the base and was heading for Wright- Patterson Air Force Base, in Dayton, Ohio. Another civilian eyewitness helped to give us more information as to what happened next. This gentleman was a truck driver employed by a large Ohio supply company. His friends, who were truck drivers, told him that they had followed the military convoy with the covered flat bed trailer from PA into Columbus, and later other truckers observed it as it went to Dayton. Within a few days after the object arrived at Wright-Patterson, a Navy representative showed up at the supply company with a brick. An order was placed for 6500 special glazed bricks (to match the color they had) and the order was shipped to Wright-Patterson on two flat bed trailers. The witness was one of the drivers. They were given clearance into the base, but had been told previously not to enter any buildings. During the tedious task of unloading the cargo of bricks, this witness became curious. When the opportunity was present to enter a doorway without being stopped, he stepped inside. He was only there a few seconds before he was seen, but it was enough time for him to have a look at a sight that he will never forget. Inside were two men in white coveralls and head covering, and wearing rubber gloves and boots. They were armed with a Colt .45 on their side. The two were working above a metal scaffold that surrounded a strange, metallic bell-shaped object. The men were working at the top of the object when they spotted the witness enter the building. The two workers ran to him and challenged him in strong terms. The witness was told to forget about what he saw, and not to discuss it or they would lock him up and throw away the key. They also said that in 20 years this would be public knowledge. During the day, he questioned some of the personnel and was able to get bits and pieces of information concerning the object. He was told that it was a spaceship, and that all attempts to get the object open had failed. They had used acetylene torches, a diamond head drill and acid to no avail. They also indicated that somehow they knew that there were at least two bodies inside, but if they got it open it would be a real mess for the mortician to embalm. He was told that they tried to open the object in Pennsylvania, but were unable. This witness has signed an affidavit and recorded a video statement concerning his testimony. The other truck driver who was with him that day, has verified his information. The witness was able to draw a map into the base and pinpoint the building where the object was taken. The reason for the double glazed brick, was to seal the object up inside of the other building. It was learned [by the truck driver? --BE] that a lead lined shield would be used with the brick to prevent any moisture or radiation leakage. Many other details that we have learned from this witness verify information we had previously obtained from others. Where the object is now is anyone's guess. For more information or to report sightings in the Pennsylvania area, call or write: The Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained (PASU), 6 Oakhill Avenue, Greensburg, PA 15601. Director of Operations is Stan Gordon. Their UFO Hotline number is 412-838-7768. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thus far the latest report: some earlier information was published by Leonard H. Stringfield in THE UFO CRASH/RETRIEVAL SYNDROME: Status Report II: New Sources, New Data (Seguin, TX: Mutual UFO Network, 1980), pp. 19-20, and by Stan Gordon in THE GATE, 4:2 (October 1989) and 4:3 (January 1990). [Sorry, I have only the second of these reports by Gordon.] So what do we learn from all this? That a UFO crashed in Western PA in 1965? Well, certainly *something* crashed there, and the military was on the spot. Some of Gordon's associates were able to obtain USAF documents through Freedom of Information Act requests, confirming that there was a military task force set up, under the name Project Moon Dust, to investigate anomalous crashes such as these. The relevant portion of the document: "Peacetime employment of AFCIN intelligence team capability is provided for in UFO investigation (AFR 200-2) and in support of Air Force systems command (AFSC) Foreign Technology Division (FTD) Projects Moon Dust and Blue Fly. These three peacetime projects all involve a potential for employment of qualified field intelligence personnel on a quick reaction basis to recover or perform field exploitation of Unidentified Flying Objects, or known Soviet/Bloc aerospace vehicles, weapons systems, and/or residual components of such equipment. . . . It is unusual for an object to survive re-entry. If in fact it does, and it is recovered, it is referred to the Foreign Technologies Division at Wright Patterson AFB, Ohio." The question then is, is it more likely that what crashed was an alien spacecraft or a Soviet Cosmos satellite? "Unidentified Flying Object," in the military's mind, means simply that, not *necessarily* Zeta Reticulan reconnaisance craft, and given the tenor of the times (we were, recall, in the iciest part of the Cold War) it would make sense for the USAF to scramble for anything that they figured might be a Soviet aerospace vehicle or spy satellite. And it makes sense also that those jerks who accidentally got into the way and might spread information that would tell the Ruskies what we'd found would be "put out of commission" with the help of a cock-and-bull story about an alien spacecraft. Recall that the truck driver was *informed* by Wright-Patterson personnel that what he'd seen was an alien spacecraft; if what was recovered was so crypto-top-secret, wouldn't the local AF personnel make sure that no one say anything to anybody? (Or, realizing that they could not get what they'd found back without attracting a lot of attention, put out the spacecraft story themselves as deliberate disinformation?) Leonard Stringfield has some properly cautious comments about "the Omnipresent I.I.I" or "Invisible Inside Informants" who kept approaching him anonymously with promises of supposed "inside" information about the military's involvement with crashed alien spacecraft. These approached him almost continuously, preferring to make themselves known by their first names only, or in one case, just as "Uncle." (Hi! I'm the man from "Uncle"--the truth about UFOs is--- ;) In some cases, he found that their information often corrobora- ted other witnesses' accounts of crashed saucers, and sometimes they were "scarily right on target." But not being able to predict their actions or discern their motives, Stringfield gave their testimony a low credibility, warning that some of the I.I.I.'s must be "plants who are part of a plan to either spoon feed information as a test of public reaction, or to set up a disinformative trap." I think we need to read the "new" Kecksburg testimony in this vein. Incidentally, "Uncle" told Stringfield not to bother with the Kecksburg crash: it "involved a crashed spy plane, not a UFO." In other words, the truth will bore you, so stop investigating this! [Reference: UFO CRASH/RETRIEVALS: AMASSING THE EVIDENCE, Status Report III (Cincinnati,OH: Leonard H. Stringfield, 1982), pp. 42-43.] I for one would like to know what they did find at Kecksburg. Now that the Commies have wimped out, surely the secrets they located must be old stuff by now. What DO they keep at Wright-Patterson? Bill Ellis FOAFtale News Penn State, Hazleton Campus Hazleton, PA 18201 Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!wce2 From: WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Alternative 3 Message-ID: <91071.134424WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 12 Mar 91 18:44:24 GMT Organization: Penn State University Lines: 64 The February 1991 issue of the Nevada Aerial Research Group's journal, THE LEADING EDGE begins with a copy of a Fax message sent from Leslie Watkins, principal author of Alternative 3 (the book) to an American radio show host, who was trying to arrange a talk show with Watkins and other Alt003 buffs. She asked him to give some background on the book and on his career, and, in particular, asked how much of the book was true. He responded, listing his other publications, including THE SLEEPWALK KILLERS (non-fiction; violent somn- ambulists; London: Everest Books), THE KILLING OF IDI AMIN (Fiction; Uganda political murder conspiracy; London: Everest), and THE REAL EXORCISTS (non- fiction; religious cults; Methuen). He worked in London with the DAILY SKETCH and the DAILY MAIL, moved up to a senior editor with READER'S DIGEST in London, then moved to Australia, then to New Zealand, where he is Director of Studies at the New Zealand School of Journalism in Auckland. Concerning the content of Alternative 3, he commented that it was "Probably 65 per cent truth, 35 per cent fiction," and he added that it was "most unlikely" that it contained deliberate government disinformation, since he alone was responsible for expanding the original TV script to book form. Still, the response to the book noted in the previous posting must have given him pause, since a few days later he cancelled the engagement for the radio talk show, sending a message through his wife that he "has been taken ill." I don't know how serious his illness was (NARG suggests that this is part of the plot to keep the truth silent) or whether he simply got cold feet given the weird things that happened in London after the book first came out. I'm reminded of the experiences of Robert Anton Wilson, co-author of fnord THE ILLUMINATUS fnord TRILOGY, who wrote the books as a hilarious send-up of every conceivable American conspiracy theory, from Kennedy assassination plots to UFOs to Hitler-is-not-dead scenarios. Shortly after immersing himself in this world, genuinely weird things began to happen in his life, climaxing in the violent death of his young daughter. (All this is detailed in his COSMIC TRIGGER: FINAL SECRET OF THE ILLUMINATI [New York: Pocket Books, 1977].) And there's an interesting, but depressing book by Jenny Randles and Peter Hough called DEATH BY SUPERNATURAL CAUSES? (London: Grafton Books, 1989) that gives a whole series of people who have suffered anomalous events and *then* been inundated and victimized by crowds of weirdos who want to drag them into contactee cults, write them up in tabloids, contact the spirits of dead daughters, and so on. One gets the feeling that this kind of conspiracy material touches a special chord in the minds of a certain class of people, in a way that draws in even people whose initial reaction is to ridicule it. Somehow the idea of cosmic conspiracies resists ridicule: certainly that's the impression I get with Alternative 3, which the creators tried to make as implausible as possible, yet as far-out as the scenario is, it has generated a not-inconsiderable sub- culture of "true believers." Or maybe, as Watkins says, the truth is not so far away from the burlesque. One interesting feature of the Alt003 scenario is the series of mysterious deaths among British scientists. This had been noted then, and it has even picked up momentum since 1978. There's new book by Tony Collins, OPEN VERDICT: AN ACCOUNT OF 25 MYSTERIOUS DEATHS IN THE DEFENCE INDUSTRY (London: Sphere Books, 1990), that describes the odd circumstances of "suicides" and other deaths among British scientists 1982-88. Some *might* be explainable in terms of the individuals' lives; others are genuinely weird and suggest clandestine hypnosis and post-hypnotic suggestions of self-destruction. (Incidentally, I'm basing this description on the review the book got in FORTEAN TIMES: can any British reader obtain this book for me? I have a British bank account and could forward a cheque in pounds to repay the costs.) In any case, I'm intrigued by the response this TV show/book got, and I'd still be interested in locating a videotape of it. The book is now in stock, if anyone is interested, at Arcturus Book Service, P.O. Box 831383, Stone Mountain, GA 30083-0023, priced at $9.95 + $1.05 postage. Bill Ellis FOAFtale News Penn. State, Hazleton Campus Hazleton, PA 18201 Path: ns-mx!uunet!stanford.edu!apple!applelink.Apple.com!showen From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: UFO Investigation Reports Message-ID: <12473@goofy.Apple.COM> Date: 11 Mar 91 22:21:15 GMT Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Distribution: all Organization: Apple Computer Lines: 198 Here are some of the Investigation Reports published by Wendelle Stevens UFO CONTACT FROM RETICULUM, Stevens-Herrmann $16.95 A 416 page report on the sightings, photographs taken, and finally the first abductions of William J. Herrmann of Charleston, S.C. in a continuing series of UFO contact events from late 1978 through 1984. Two sets of color photographs (in color) and one of black and white pictures of the ET ships are included in this library style book. This work is fully illustrated with many sketches and drawings UFO CONTACT FROM PLANET IARGA, Denaerde-Stevens 15.95 A 363 page report on the willing abduction of a Dutch multinational industrialist from his private yacht, a TJalk, in the Oostscheld south of Rotterdam. He remained aboard the extraterrestrial craft for over 8 hours conversing with the occupants and being shown marvelous things on the viewing screens aboard the big ship. His contacts continued for many years after the primary events. He worked long and diligently with an excellent Dutch artist until they produced a series of color paintings of the aliens, their culture and society, a number of which are reproduced in color in this book. The book is a fully illustrated library style edition containing many other sketches and drawings as well by the engineer abductee. UFO CONTACT FROM THE PLEIADES, Stevens (Sold Out) 17.95 A 542 page documented Preliminary Report of Investigation of a series of continuing contacts and visits aboard an alien spacecraft by a one armed farmer in Switzerland. He was being visited by human beings who told him they came from what we call the Pleiades (a star cluster in the constellation Taurus). Nearly 100 photographs of the ET ships and their landing tracks are included in this heavily illustrated library style hard cover book. It also contains dialogue with the ETs. This book is heavily documented with other witness statements. UFO CONTACT FROM UNDERSEA, Sanchez-Stevens 14.95 A 190 page report of investigation of two UFO abduction cases where the witnesses were taken to some kind of undersea operations being maintained by extraterrestrial beings. The primary case is that of Filiberto Cardenas of Hialeah, Florida, whose wife was abducted with him the second time the ETs came for him. Much of their dialogue with the ETs is reported here. An illustrated library style hard cover book with a full color dust jacket Contains photographs of UFOs. UFO CONTACT AT PASCAGOULA, Mendez-Hickson 14.95 A 174 page account of the investigations of William Mendez into the famous UFO abduction of Calvin Parker and Charles Hickson from the place where they were fishing near Pascagoula, Mississippi. They were both taken aboard the ET ship and examined before being released. Few people are aware of the fact that Charles Hickson was contacted again by the same ETs subsequent to that first experience, and that in his case those experiences are still going on. An illustrated hard cover library style book. UFOs OVER MODERN CHINA, Stevens-Dong (Sold Out) 16.95 A 352 page documented report on UFO activity over China from the time that country was closed to the outside in 1947 until it began to open up again in 1979, and on through 1982. Compiled from over 600 actual UFO cases reported internally in China for the period mentioned, it contains many Chinese ink drawings of the UFO events described. A fine hard cover library style book also illustrated with many photos of unidentified flying objects in the orient. This is the only book on Chinese UFO cases ever published in English. UFO ABDUCTION AT MIRASSOL, Buhler-Pereira-Pires, (Sold Out) 16.95 A 416 page report on the repeated UFO abductions of Antonio Carlos Ferreira of Mirassol, Brazil, since June 1979. Ferreira was taken by exotic-looking ETs more than 10 times and has been taken away from Earth on 4 of those rare occasions Biogenetic experiments were even carried out on him aboard an ET ship. Those extraterrestrial humanlike beings have taken him to another place which seems to be our Moon, where they maintain a base during the times they are here. A fine hard cover library style book. UFO CONTACT FROM PLANET KOLDAS, Van Vlierden (Sold Out) 15 95 A 305 page report on the continuing UFO contacts involving a witness near Durban, South Africa, which have taken place over the last 24 years. An ET man came to this planet and lived near, and worked with, the witness there in an electronics factory for two years, and then went back to his people. The witness was present at, and observed, the departure of his ET friend when the big disc-shaped spacecraft came to pick him up. Contact has been maintained with him ever since that time, up to the present day. Over 1,000 hours of dialogue by those ETs has been recorded. The last word is that they are back after a two years absence. A fine fully illustrated hard cover library style book, the only published in depth report on this case. UFO CONTACT FROM PLANET UMMO, Vol. 1, Antonio Rlkera (Sold Out) 16.95 A 354 page report on the contacts with human beings who claim they came to Earth from a planet they call UMMO. They claim world-wide contacts since 1952, and say they have research teams working in nearly a dozen countries on this planet. We only have direct information on their contacts with the "Madrid Group" in Spain from then up to this present time. Very little has ever been written up in English on this case, though the contacts have been going on for over 35 years, and are still going on! Much dialogue and a lot of technical information is discussed in this book. Many Ummite symbols and words are used in these commuinications where our language lacks equivalents for adequate expression of an idea. A fine fully illustrated hard cover library style book. UFO CONTACT FROM PLANET UMMO, Vol. 2, Antonio Ribera 16.95 A 386 page follow-up report on the human beings from planet UMMO who are here studying our world and it's creatures. This case is so big that it will take several volumes this size to report the whole story. Although we are calling this book volume 2, both volumes are complete and stand alone as reports. In this second volume you will find the full report on the Andros Island photographs of three circular ships having the UMMO symbol on the craft. These 35m movies were taken through a government cine theodolote camera on high resolution film by the theodolite operator at Site 4 on Andros Island. He filmed 350 feet of color movies of the alien craft hovering over that base as it was preparing to carry out the first underwater launch on under-surface to-air missiles in a demonstration for our NATO allies A fine fully illustrated hard cover library style book. UFO CONTACT FROM ITIBI-RA, Pallmann-Stevens (Sold out) A 286 page report on the UFO contacts from planet Itibi-Ra, continuing from 1967 through 1969. The Itibi ETs developed a hybridizing plantation on Earth, in Peru, where they were crossing plant stocks from Itibi with those of Earth, seeking hardier strains and better yields. Those beings had an overdeveloped taste sense and found some of our tropical fruits exciting and different which they took home for cultivation there. They are expected to return. A find hard cover fully illustrated library style book. UFO CRASH AT AZTEC, Steiman-Stevens 18.95 A 626 page report of investigation of the details and activities srlcLng the crash of an extraterrestrial spacecraft with 16 ET bodies aboard, and its subsequent recovery and examination by high ranking U.S. government officials and scientists, and the great effort gone to to keep the whole thing from the American public and the rest of the world. A fully illustrated, heavily documented, hard cover library style book that one will not want to miss. More confirmations are coming in every day. There is a lot of energy to suppress this report and to dispute what is presented. UFO PHOTOGRAPHS Around THE WORLD, Vol. 1, Stevens-Roberts 14.95 A 250 page report on UFOs photographed all over this World. This report includes all details of the photographic events known and all the pictures in the series that could be obtained. There are 130 actual photographs of UFOs included in this book. A chronological summary of the early UFO photo cases reported is appended in the back of the volume. A fine hard cover library style book. UFO PHOTOGRAPHS AROUND THE WORLD, Vol. 2, Stevens-Roberts 16.95 A 250 page report on UFOs photographed all over this World. This is the second book in this series, also including full details of the UFO photographic events reported and all the pictures in each series that are known This included another 138 actual photographs of the unidentified flying objects. A chronological summary of succeeding UFO photo cases is appended in the back of this book A fine had cover library style edition matching volume 1. UFO ABDUCTION AT BOTUCATU, Casalleto-Silva-Stevens 14 95 A 221 page report on the abduction of males for genetic experiment in Brazil. This is the second of the Abduction series of reports, and is based on the extensive contacts still going on at Botucatu there in Brazil. A fine hard cover illustrated library style book. UFO CONTACT FROM PLANET ACART, A. Berlet A 212 page detailed report on the alien abduction of Artur Berlet of Sarandi, Brazil, and his 8 day stay on the Alien planet the inhabitants call ACT. Those ETs have been carrying out visits to this planet for many years, and the visits are still going on. A fine hard cover illustrated library style book. UFO ABDUCTION AT MARINGA, Gevaerd-Stevens 14.95 A 213 page illustrated report on the abductions at Maringa, Brazil, of the two Mattos brothers, and their subjection to genetic experiment by human extraterrestrials who told them they came from Andromeda. This is the third and last of this Abduction series set in Brazil. A fine hard cover illustrated library style book MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES, Stevens 34.95 A 350 page report on the Eduard "Billy" Meier Contact Notes on his long term on-going face-to-face contacts with human beings who told him they came from what we call the Pleiades. These contact notes consist almost entirely of dialogue with the Pleiadian contact team, in a word for word report of the exchanges. A fine hard cover illustrated library style book UFO CONTACT FROM ANDROMEDA 16.95 A 301 page illustrated report on the extraterrestrial contacts with a senior scientist and tenured professor at the University of Mexico and his continued meetings with a human woman who told him she came from Andromeda. Those ETs took the professor in their disc-shaped ship up to our ionosphere and let him measure the rate of decay with their more sophisticated instruments for himself. They also showed him a similar deterioration of our Van Allen belt as well. A fine hard cover library style book. UFO PHOTO ARCHIVES P.O. Box 17206 Tucson, Arizona 85710 Don Showen Family of Light Network Work 408-974-9544 Home 408-865-1768 Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!usc!ucsd!hub.ucsb.edu!ucsbuxa!6600cafa From: 6600cafa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (JL SYNTH) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO Investigation Reports Message-ID: <9890@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: 14 Mar 91 01:32:03 GMT References: <12473@goofy.Apple.COM> Sender: news@hub.ucsb.edu Distribution: all Lines: 26 In article <12473@goofy.Apple.COM> showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) writes: >Here are some of the Investigation Reports published by Wendelle Stevens >UFO CONTACT FROM THE PLEIADES, Stevens (Sold Out) 17.95 >MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES, Stevens 34.95 These books are very good. I have the entire Eduard Meier series. If anyone is interested in the most controversial and realistic ufo case of all time, check these out! Other Pleiades related books are: UFO Contact from the Pleiades, volume 2, Stevens Message from the Pleiades, volume 2, Stevens The Talmud Jmmanuel, (available through Stevens) Celestial Teachings, (available through Stevens) Light Years, Gary Kinder UFO PHOTO ARCHIVES Wendelle Stevens P.O. Box 17206 Tucson, Arizona 85710 -Jason Labowitz Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!usc!rpi!batcomputer! munnari.oz.au!metro!seagoon.newcastle.edu.au!cc.newcastle.edu.au!c9036991 From: c9036991@cc.newcastle.edu.au Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: an Alien Message-ID: <1991Mar14.165819.9830@cc.newcastle.edu.au> Date: 14 Mar 91 06:58:19 GMT Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA Lines: 6 I am an alien visitor from another planet far into the cosmos... For a mere $10.00 (American) i will send proof of my existance.. Blargarlf (as far as your english translation goes!) Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Re: The Strategon Speaks Message-ID: <20550026@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 13 Mar 91 21:04:50 GMT References: Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 12 / hpfcso:alt.alien.visitors / rhomer@amiganet.chi.il.us (Ron Homer) / 1:46 am Mar 4, 1991 / You suck too! ============================================================================== | Ronald H. Homer "You Give Me Funky Love Funky Love" | | rhomer@amiganet "Don't Dream It...Be It." | | rhomer@multinet "Show Us Your Mother Riff!" | ============================================================================== ---------- Go suck a broom handle! Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Kansas City Corn Fields Message-ID: <20550028@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 13 Mar 91 23:01:07 GMT References: Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 23 So, Zontar, we meet again! You were as we suspected, a fool. You have tried to hide yourself in the earthly dwellings of Michigan. You have been posing as a citizen in the human educational institution of the drug infested Ann Arbor. But we have known this since you left our presence. We shall now reveal your true identity. You are a traitor to our world. You have committed serious transgressions against our supreme dwelling and have betrayed the people of our land as well as those on Earth. At night, during your deep slumber, we have been rearranging the tiny fibers of your brain so that you will soon beg for forgiveness! But because of what you have done to our people, we shall cast you out once again. Only this time you will not be able to hide your true self. You shall wear the mark of a traitor upon your forehead where all the peoples of the universe shall scorn you for lives to come. Soon, your slumber will be broken. It shall be filled with painful visions of what will take place in nearing time. Your heart will feel the burning of the Sun when you are awake and the terror of visions while you rest. XUPH Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!samsung!rex!ukma!vlsi!ulkyvx.bitnet!jamull01 From: jamull01@ulkyvx.bitnet Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Kansas City Corn Fields Message-ID: <1991Mar14.120806.974@ulkyvx.bitnet> Date: 14 Mar 91 12:08:06 GMT Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 8 Apparently someone found out about the videotaping before hand and tried to pull a hoax. I don't remember the specifics, but a recent back issue of OMNI magazine had a very in-depth article about the fields, and pretty much picked up where the show left off. Sorry I can't remember the issue, but it was sometime between Nov. and Feb. Hope that helps. Path: ns-mx!uunet!pmafire! From: jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Re: Kansas City Corn Fields Message-ID: <1991Mar14.205318.6308@pmafire.inel.gov> Date: 14 Mar 91 20:53:18 GMT References: <20550028@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Sender: J.B. Later Distribution: na Organization: WINCO Lines: 13 In article <20550028@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) writes: "So, Zontar, we meet again! You were as we suspected, a fool. You have >tried to hide yourself in the earthly dwellings of Michigan. You have >been posing as a citizen in the human educational institution of the >drug infested Ann Arbor.............." >XUPH "Just WHAT do you DO at "H.P." Willie, and what do they pay you to do it ??" J.B. Later jeffl@pmafire.inel.gov (Opinions are mine........) Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!unmvax!sci.ccny.cuny.edu!rpi!usc!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!wjl From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Kidnapped by aliens Message-ID: <20550029@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 14 Mar 91 22:01:04 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 27 This is about people who claim to have been taken on a ride by space aliens: 1. Let us first believe the claim that aliens have kidnapped humans. 2. What is the reason for this? 3. Where were they taken? 4. How long were they gone in earth years? 5. How was life able to continue during the journey? If you know the answers to these questions, write to me. *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* * Willie Lopez [ wjl@hpfickle.fc.hp.com ] Hewlett-Packard Company * * Fort Collins, Colorado U.S.A. * *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* * This posting is of my own free will without the knowledge or consent * * of my employer. My comments express ONLY MY opinions and interests * * and NOT my employer's. Further, my comments are not directed toward * * any specific person, dead or alive, or organization; any such * * reference is purely coincidental. * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!bu.edu!m2c!ernie.viewlogic.com!mark From: mark@suntan.viewlogic.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Lights in the sky. Message-ID: <1991Mar15.140346.10599@viewlogic.com> Date: 15 Mar 91 14:03:46 GMT Sender: mark@suntan.viewlogic.com (Mark Lozouski) Organization: Me. Lines: 10 Originator: mark@omega I was thinking that if alien visitors wanted to keep their 'operations' secret, couldn't they buzz around without displaying any lights - I mean if we can in- vent stealth fighters/bombers I'm sure they can fly dark! Also, if they _did_ want to be noticed wouldn't they put on a more _spectacular_ display in the sky?? One that would be seen by more people and could clearly be differentiated from anything of Earth origin or of nature?? Article 429 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!mll From: mll@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Luce) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Kidnapped by aliens Message-ID: <20550030@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: 15 Mar 91 16:38:14 GMT References: <20550029@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 26 / hpfcso:alt.alien.visitors / wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez) / 3:01 pm Mar 14, 1991 / >> Willie Lopez writes: This is about people who claim to have been taken on a ride by space aliens: 1. Let us first believe the claim that aliens have kidnapped humans. >> Why in the world should we? EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS DEMAND EXTRAORDINARY >> EVIDENCE. That is the cardinal rule of skepticism. Until we see some >> extraordinary evidence of the claim that aliens are abducting humans, >> none of your other questions are worthy of consideration... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* * Willie Lopez [ wjl@hpfickle.fc.hp.com ] Hewlett-Packard Company * * Fort Collins, Colorado U.S.A. * *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* * This posting is of my own free will without the knowledge or consent * * of my employer. My comments express ONLY MY opinions and interests * * and NOT my employer's. Further, my comments are not directed toward * * any specific person, dead or alive, or organization; any such * * reference is purely coincidental. * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* ---------- Article 430 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!convex.csd.uwm.edu!anthony From: anthony@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Lights in the sky. Summary: they keep crashing! Message-ID: <10280@uwm.edu> Date: 16 Mar 91 19:55:52 GMT References: <1991Mar15.140346.10599@viewlogic.com> Sender: news@uwm.edu Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 24 In article <1991Mar15.140346.10599@viewlogic.com> mark@suntan.viewlogic.com writes: >I was thinking that if alien visitors wanted to keep >their 'operations' secret, couldn't they buzz around >without displaying any lights - I mean if we can in- >vent stealth fighters/bombers I'm sure they can fly >dark! Also, if they _did_ want to be noticed wouldn't >they put on a more _spectacular_ display in the sky?? >One that would be seen by more people and could clearly >be differentiated from anything of Earth origin or of >nature?? Not only that, but their craft seem to be deathtraps! They keep crashing and the US government has to go cover it up. Do you suppose the US has an arrangment with the manufacturer of the alien spacecraft to hide the evidence of the crashes so they can keep making these shoddy products? Oh my god, what a conspiracy! Hundreds of aliens are dying every year because of unsafe flying saucer construction! -- <-:(= Anthony Stieber anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony Psion Mailing List subscriber submissions psion ----------\ the (human) moderator psion-owner -------+--@csd4.csd.uwm.edu subscriptions and file requests psion-request ----/ Article 431 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!root From: wnoe@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Bill Noe) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: UFOs and Men in Black Message-ID: <1991Mar18.024432.11307@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: 18 Mar 91 02:44:32 GMT Sender: root@noose.ecn.purdue.edu (ECN System Management) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 20 In some recent UFO research at the Undergraduate Library of Purdue University, I discovered sparse references to a phenomena called "Men in Black." The sources in which I discovered these references claimed, in some obscure fashion that there is a link between UFOs and the "Men in Black." While broaching this subject with a friend, he made me aware of the existence of this group. When he detailed the threads currently being addressed, I thought it might be a good place to look for information. Any information, or known sources of information about the nature of the "Men in Black" and their connection with UFOs would be greatly appreciated. (Post if you choose, but please send a copy of your post via e-mail, since I do not normally read this group.) Thanks in advance... -- ..B ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's so hard to be humble, the whole idea's absurd." -The Mighty Lemon Drops wnoe@ecn.purdue.edu Article 1127 of alt.paranormal: Path: ns-mx!shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!continuum From: continuum@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu (Continuum Administrator) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,rec.arts.sf-lovers,sci.skeptic,talk.rumors Subject: Continuum--Premiere Issue Message-ID: <4938@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> Date: 18 Mar 91 23:52:40 GMT Sender: news@ns-mx.uiowa.edu Reply-To: continuum@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu (Continuum Administrator) Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Lines: 57 Xref: ns-mx alt.conspiracy:4556 alt.alien.visitors:432 alt.paranormal:1127 rec.arts.sf-lovers:27566 sci.skeptic:9883 talk.rumors:1717 *** P a r a N e t C O N T I N U U M *** Continues ... CONTINUUM is back! 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For further information, send electronic mail to: * Clark Matthews, Editorial Director ParaNet Pi 1-201-451-3063 (BBS) 9:1012/4 (ParaNet) 1:107/816 (FidoNet) P.O. Box 3934, Jersey City, NJ 07303-3934 (U.S. Mail) * Michael Corbin, ParaNet Administrator ParaNet Alpha 1-303-431-8797 (BBS) 9:9/0 (ParaNet) 1:104/422 (FidoNet) mcorbin@scicom.alphacdc.com (Internet) * James Roger Black, Contributing Editor continuum@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu (Internet) (CONTINUUM is a publication of the ParaNet Information Service, which is solely responsible for its content. No endorsement by any other organization or communication service is intended or should be implied.) Article 437 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!batcomputer!munnari.oz.au!metro!socs.uts.edu.au!axolotl From: axolotl@ultima.socs.uts.edu.au (Iain D. Sinclair) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Majic-12, Grand Unified Theory, Mars bases Keywords: UFO's, conspiracy Message-ID: Date: 21 Mar 91 00:02:26 GMT References: <1476@tronsbox.xei.com> Sender: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain D. Sinclair) Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Organization: Key Centre for Advanced Computing Sciences, UTS, Australia Lines: 38 Xref: ns-mx alt.folklore.urban:10997 alt.conspiracy:4579 alt.alien.visitors:437 dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes: > Alright, since I've been asked for them in mail and here on the group, >here are the UFO Conspiracy files. > I have no idea if these things are meant as some kind of joke, or if >it's supposed to be serious. The first file you posted has been published, verbatim, in the October '90 issue of NEXUS (New Age Times), an Australian mag. So, someone is taking it seriously. In many ways, the second file (which was not published in that issue) is more interesting, because there is some kind of interactive criticism of what Bill Cooper has to say. Something that gets me above all else: Why didn't he give to the cops or the media the one piece of evidence he has -- the "driver shot kennedy" film? Some of the claims are a *little* hard to get a grip on. - A Grand Unified Theory exists, which makes the alien ships fly. - there have been bases on Mars and the Moon for decades. - People and animals have been traded to the aliens for their technology. (Why would they want people and animals, and why couldn't they help themselves?) - The USSR and the USA have been close allies since the end of WWII, and used Nazi research on alien technologies. - There is huge govt-sanctioned drug running which finances related research. The thing which makes it most seem like garbage is the general idea that "we've made contact with the aliens, and they're working for us." People *want* to believe that sort of thing, even if the gravest sacrifices and abuses have supposedly been committed to make things that way. Everyone needs their own fantasy. -- Iain Dick // axolotl@socs // University of Technology, Sydney ,', Sinclair // .uts.edu.au // (Research Assistant) +61 2 2812552 ,` Article 440 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!am.dsir.govt.nz!marcamd!mercury!kcbbs!kc From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: UFO MEETINg Message-ID: <1991Mar21.183529.5184@kcbbs> Date: 21 Mar 91 18:35:29 GMT Lines: 14 Organisation: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand --Well known Soviet scientists will meet in Moscow today.in the past few years many people in the USSR have said they have not only seen mysterious space vehicles but have spoken to ETIs from other planets. Scientists give different reasons for such an invasion of flying saucers. Some believe mankind has deformed the enviorment & has received a corres din ponding reaction of a nature so far unknown while others see a psychological facet to it that people see what they to see. SOURCE---Radio Moscow World Service News March 20 0900 UTC _______________________________ Are ETI spaceships shy or are they just waiting to seal the royalty deal. ------------------------------- Article 445 of alt.alien.visitors: Path: ns-mx!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsl!mnelson From: mnelson@cbnewsl.att.com (michael.c.nelson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: It's true, it happened.... Keywords: Alien, kill, mother, boy. Message-ID: <1991Mar25.083421.20973@cbnewsl.att.com> Date: 25 Mar 91 08:34:21 GMT Reply-To: rmoonen@hvlpa.att.com Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 26 First off, I'm posting this for a friend of mine, so please respond via email to: rmoonen@hvlpa.att.com or to his newsgroup.... ------------------------------------------------------------------ In The Netherlands the following appeared in the newspaper: Boy attacks his alien mother. While believing that his mother was an alien, an 18 year old boy attacked his mother with a knife. The boy had believed his mother was an alien for the past coulpe of years. He thought she was out to take over the world. To stop her in this, he tried to kill her with a knife. When he failed in his attempt, he came home muttering "Damn, it didn't work, I'll have to try it again". After that his mother went to the police and had her son arrested. He will be treated by a psychiatrist. The boy was described as a "paranoid schizophrenic". ---------------------------- So, it's finally happened. Someone discovered the truth, and in trying to stop these terrible shape-changing beings, gets put in a psychiatric ward and fails..... So these aliens allready have taken over our legal system! Stop Them Before It's Too Late!!!!!!!!!!!! --rmoonen@hvlpa.att.com --Ralph Moonen Article: 451 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!uunet!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!VAXF.IASTATE.EDU!TABS4 From: tabs4@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: where to write Message-ID: <1991Apr1.013503.2328@news.iastate.edu> Date: 1 Apr 91 01:35:03 GMT Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Reply-To: tabs4@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA. Lines: 5 I was wondering if anyone knew where to write for any publications on UFO groups... anything would be appreciated MATT Article: 453 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!att!ucbvax!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!benno@crash.cts.com From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: New books, Matrix II, Behold a Pale Horse; What do you think? Message-ID: <8328@crash.cts.com> Date: 1 Apr 91 22:57:27 GMT Sender: root@crash.cts.com Lines: 8 Have any of you seen the book "Behold a Pale Horse" by William Cooper from: Wiiliam Cooper POB 3299 Camp Verde, AZ 86322 or the book: "MATRIX II" by Valdamar Valerian from: Arcturus Book Service in association with Navada Arial Research Group in Las Vegas? Article: 455 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!amdahl!netcom!shadowfx From: shadowfx@netcom.COM (John Harris) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: ufo report by william cooper Message-ID: <1991Apr3.034225.27707@netcom.COM> Date: 3 Apr 91 03:42:25 GMT Sender: shadowfx@netcom.COM (John Harris) Distribution: usa Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services UNIX System {408 241-9760 guest} Lines: 1375 Hi, I saw this file on a bbs here in the bay area. I thought this report was very interesting, and incredible if true. I am curious what you people out there think about this report. ------------------------------------------------------------------ The UFO Conspiracy Information concerning the U.S. government's cover-up of alien activity on Earth, according to Milton William Cooper Compiled by David E. Stewart 1301 W. 24th St. Apt. M20 Lawrence, KS 66046 1-913-749-5914 The UFO Conspiracy Table of Contents The Milton William Cooper Speech .............................. 3 Appendix A: Operation Majority .............................. 16 Appendix B: For More Information ............................ 23 Appendix C: Musings ......................................... 25 This document was created using Microsoft Word 5.0 on a Tandy 1000TL (IBM compatible) computer. The information con- tained herein comes mostly from the alt.conspiracy section of Usenet, a worldwide computer messaging network accessed via the University of Kansas Digital Equipment Corporation VAX 8650 com- puter system. Other information was obtained by the editor via personal phone calls and other research. The Milton William Cooper Speech Editor's note: What follows is a transcript of a 45-minute lec- ture given by Milton William Cooper on November 17, 1989, at the "Whole Life Expo" in Los Angeles, Calif. His speech was tran- scribed word-for-word from a microcassette recording. "For those of you who don't know who I am, I was raised in a military family. My family, my ancestors, since they came to this country, have been government people. We have served in the military, we have been patriots, we have fought in all the wars, we care about this country and believe in the constitution of the United States. We know, as many people don't know, that the Con- stitution of the United States of America is the United States of America! And that's why we've always been ready to do the things needed to preserve and protect it. "When I left home I went into the Air Force, the Strategic Air Command. As a child I'd heard stories from my father and pi- lots, other pilots, my father was a pilot, about Foo Fighters, UFOs, strange craft that were not made on this Earth. And as a kid, you hear that in passing, and it's neat, and you giggle about it, and you go out and play 'Space Man,' and you forget it. "When I was in the Air Force I met men who had participated in alien crashed-craft recoveries. Now this intrigued me, it in- terested me, but it was usually after quite a few bottles of beer that these stories would come out, and sometimes the next morning I couldn't remember what the heck the guy said. "When I left the Air Force I went into the Navy, and this is where everything began to happen for me. I had originally in- tended to just go from service to service and do something that very few people have ever done before. I was a very adventurous, very crazy ... young man, and I thought that that would be a pretty exciting life. I volunteered for submarines, and while on the submarine USS Tyroot, SS-416, on a transit between the Port- land/Seattle area and Pearl Harbor, which was our home port; the Pearl Harbor sub base, as the port lookout I saw a craft, saucer- shaped, the size of a Midway class carrier, aircraft carrier, for those of you who don't know how big that is; it's huge, come up out of the water approximately two and a half nautical miles off the port bow, which is about 45 degrees to the left of the pointy end of the submarine. It tumbled slowly on its own axis, and went up into the clouds. It appeared to be moving slowly to me at a distance of two and a half nautical miles, but in reality it was moving pretty fast because it came up out of the water, did a few tumbles, and it was gone! "I then reported it to the officer of the deck. I didn't tell him what it was that I saw because my Daddy didn't raise no fools and in case nobody else saw it I didn't want to be the only looney on board the ship. So I asked the officer of the deck to help me cover that area, and he did, which is common for officers and lookouts to help each other while on bridge watch because they all hang together if something bad happens. After a few seconds of watching, the same craft, or another craft exactly like it, came down out of the clouds, tumbled again on its own axis, and went into the water. Ensign Ball, who was the officer of the deck, was literally shocked! What could I say? Seaman Dejeralimo, who was the starboard lookout, had also witnessed this, and Ensign Ball called the captain to the bridge who was followed by the chief quartermaster who brought a 35MM camera, and we watched for between seven and 10 minutes the same craft, or different craft that looked exactly alike, enter and leave the water. It was an incredible show. I don't know if they knew we were there, or if they even cared, but the craft did not glow, they were metal, they were machines without a doubt, they were obviously intelligently guided, they were huge, and having been in the Air Force and the Navy and knowing what it takes, I knew without a doubt, and know it today, that that machine was not made on the face of this earth. Because there's nothing that man can make, that can fly through the air at a speed like that, tum- ble on its own axis, and enter the water and effectively fly be- neath the sea. "If you've ever been aboard an airplane and then gone aboard a submarine, I know there's probably some of you in this room who have visited a submarine at one time or another, you can readily see just without even any of the technicalities involved how dif- ficult such a thing would be to do. Where would it be built, that size? It was absolutely incredible. It changed my life be- cause then all the stories that I'd heard all my life I knew were true, and I began seeing the world in a different light. "It wasn't long after that I was trained by Naval security in intelligence. I was sent to Vietnam. I was assigned as a pa- trol boat captain, first in DaNang harbor, given a crew, given a multi-million dollar patrol boat. My job was to gather intelli- gence from the people who lived around the harbor and the fisher- men who transited the harbor, and maintain the safety and secu- rity of the harbor and the shipping. After about five months I was sent up North to the DMZ, to a place called Qua Vieaf [sp], on the Tacan [sp] river. Our base camp was at the river mouth. We were only three miles south of the North Vietnamese border and our job was to patrol the Tacan river from the river mouth to Dang Ha [sp], and then up the Quang Tree [sp] cutoff to Quang Tree city, again to get to know the people on the bank, gather intelligence, and to patrol every night and maintain the safety and security of the river and the river traffic. "It was while there that I discovered that there was a tremendous amount of UFO and alien activity in Vietnam. It was always reported in official messages as 'enemy helicopters.' Now any of you who know anything about the Vietnam war know that the North Vietnamese did not have any helicopters, especially after our first couple of air raids into North Vietnam. Even if they had they would not have been so foolish as to bring them over the DMZ because that would have insured their demise. Our troops were fired on occasionally by these 'enemy helicopters,' enemy troops were fired on occasionally by these 'enemy helicopters,' and occasionally people would disappear. And on one instance that I know for sure at least one entire village disappeared one night because of alien activity. The reason they used the term 'enemy helicopters' in messages and dispatches was that in Viet- nam you could be overrun at any time, no matter where you where. They did not bring crypto encoding equipment into Vietnam, I'm talking about the machinery. What we did is we had crypto ta- bles, and once we every 24 hours those codes would be no good. So that's what we used. We also, because of the inability to use crypto transmitting equipment, had to devise code words such as 'enemy helicopters.' "When I left Vietnam I was eventually attached to the head- quarters staff of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pa- cific Fleet at Macalappa, [sp] Hawaii, which is a little hill overlooking Pearl Harbor, it's a beautiful white building up there, and I was specifically attached to the Intelligence Brief- ing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet. "It was during this tour of duty that, in the course of my duties, documents were placed in my hands that were so unbeliev- able and so incredible that it took me quite a while to adjust to the fact that what I was seeing was real. Now for those of you who don't understand how I could come to see this information, let me give you a little short course in security clearance and the need to know and how you get to see classified information if you're in the military or in the government, it doesn't matter which, the rules are the same. "No. 1, you need a security clearance, and you've got to have clearance at the level that the information you want to see is classified at. In this instance it was classified 'Top Se- cret, Magic, Restricted Information,' which I came to find out later is the highest security classification in the Nation. To get that type of clearance, all you have to have is a Federal Bu- reau of Investigation background check, which takes about six months and they send federal agents to your home, to your old schools, to all your teachers, to your friends, to everybody you put down on your security clearance forms, to all your old ad- dresses, your neighbors, everybody that you've worked for, and it's embarrassing because they don't tell them what they're checking on. They just show them their identification and start asking questions and that's when you find out who's your friend and who's not, because a lot of people get scared and think, 'Bill just robbed a bank and I'm not talking to him anymore.' "Now once you get that it's called a 'B.I.' and for those of you who have received a copy of my service record look on the first page, the DD-214 where it says 'Security Clearance,' you will see the term 'B.I.' That's a 'Bureau of Investigation' clearance. Now at that point, you have the clearance for every- thing including Top Secret and above. What determines what you get to see is your need to know, and the job that you have deter- mines what your need to know is. "I was assigned to the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet, who had to know everything concerning his area of operations which was one half of the Earth's surface; the Indian ocean, the Pacific ocean, and all the land masses in between. Believe it or not, if we go to war, if we ever go to war, it's the United States Navy that strikes the first blow and attempts to keep the enemy at bay while we can get ourselves together, at least historically. Nu- clear weapons have kind of done away with that concept, but mili- tary commanders like to talk about it anyway. "Because of this, and you have no conception of the amount of material and information that an area commander has to know; it's unbelievable, and he has to keep track of this, he has to keep on top of it. He has to know what's happening; he has to make the right decisions. Because it's almost humanly impossible for anyone to do that, they have what's called a briefing team, and it's our job to make sure that he has the correct informa- tion, all the time, on a 24-hour basis. And every morning, be- tween 8 and 9 a.m., we would give a briefing which covered every- thing that happened in the previous 24 hours, and everything scheduled to happen in the next 24 hours, and all the pertinent intelligence reports that we had received since the last briefing that he needed to know and that his staff members needed to know. Occasionally we would get messages marked 'Top Secret, Magic, Re- stricted Information,' and it would be coded in such a way that all you had were answers to questions which you didn't know what the questions were so you really didn't know what the message was all about. "But eventually I found myself in possession, holding two documents; one called 'Project Grudge,' another one called 'Operation Majority.' Project Grudge contained the history of alien involvement since around 1936, and it began talking about Germany's involvement with a crashed disk that they had recovered in 1936 and were attempting to duplicate the technology. They were not successful despite what all these Nazi hunters want to tell you. If they had been successful, we would not have won the war, because you cannot beat those weapons! You cannot out fly those craft, you can't even think about it with conventional air- craft. If Germany had been successful, we would now have a Ger- man flag up in front of this podium. "They did make some headway. When we went into Punta Mundy [sp] we captured documents, we got some scientists, we got some hardware. The Russians also got some documents, some scientists, and some hardware. It wasn't until 1947 that we were able to capture a craft, a whole craft, not all together but it was ev- erything. And that occurred near the city of Roswell, New Mex- ico. There were dead aliens recovered from the craft. In Pro- ject Grudge I saw photographs of these dead aliens, of the craft; I saw photographs of live aliens; I saw photographs of autopsies, internal organs; I saw photographs of the alien designated 'E.B.' [or Ebe], which was held in captivity from 1949 until June 2, 1952, when he died. I saw the history of what they had been able to at that time put together, from incidents in the 1800s, which involved aliens and their craft. "I saw the names of projects. I saw a project that was to fly recovered alien craft that had been recovered intact and un- damaged, and some of them were recovered intact and undamaged, and how that happened I have no idea. It was called 'Project Redlight,' and first was conducted from the Tonopah test range in the Nevada test sight and then was moved to a specially built area, ordered built by president Eisenhower, called 'Area-51,' code named 'Dreamland,' in the Groom [sp] dry lake area of the Nevada test sight, by secret executive order. It doesn't exist officially, if you ask anyone, or if you write letters to the government they will tell you it doesn't exist. However if you go out there at several places and see it, fly outside the bound- aries and look down and see it, you know it's there, but accord- ing to the government it doesn't exist. "The project to fly, test fly these craft, was ongoing until sometime in 1962 when a craft blew up not far from the test sight, in the air, and the explosion was seen over a three-state area. The pilots were killed, they had no idea what had happened or why the craft blew up, but they put Project Redlight on hold until a later date when the aliens supplied us with three craft and personnel to help us learn how to fly these craft. That pro- ject is ongoing, and we now have not only alien craft that we are flying, we have craft we have built, using the captured technol- ogy, and some of the UFOs that people report seeing in the United States, and maybe even elsewhere, are flown by United States per- sonnel. "That may come as a shock to you. We have technology way beyond the limits of what we have been told. A lot of our devel- opment technologically, since the end of World War II, has been due to the exchange of technology which occurs in the area called 'Area-51' on a regular basis ... ongoing. "When James Oberth, Professor Oberth retired, many of you don't know who he is ... not too many space people in here. Pro- fessor Oberth was probably one of the greatest rocket scientists and space commentators that ever lived. When he retired, the government gave him a special award, there was a press confer- ence, all kinds of ceremony, and when he got up to speak he said, 'Gentlemen,' and I quote Professor Oberth, he said, 'Gentlemen, we cannot take credit for all the technological developments that we have had in the last decade. We have had help,' and that's where he stopped. "One of the reporters raised his hand and said, 'Professor Oberth, can you tell us what other country helped us?' "He said, 'It was those little guys from out in space,' and then he got down and would not comment any further. Now this oc- curred in 1959. I can go on and on, but time doesn't allow it. "I will tell you ladies and gentlemen that there are all kinds of things going on all the time, we are making rapid progress in exposing this. Since I have begun talking, people have been coming out of the woodwork at a rapid rate, who know and have pieces of this puzzle, and are helping us to put it to- gether, because I don't have all the answers. I saw an awful lot of material, I have remembered an awful lot of it, I have proba- bly, in my remembering, made some mistakes, and I guarantee you they're minor ones, if I have. "We have just recently, for those of you who didn't believe that the Jason Society of the Jason Scholars, the secret group, existed, we now have a letter from the Pentagon, with 51 names of the Jason Scholars, an admission from the Pentagon that they hold the highest security clearances in the nation, an admission from the Pentagon that they hold the protocol rank of Rear Admiral, and are treated as such on any military installation or in any government office. There are six Nobel Prize winners on that list, there are the elite of the elite of the scientific world, they are the only ones who really know the truth about the tech- nology today and about the real science of physics, because the one that we're being taught all the time ... If you send your kids to college to learn physics you're wasting your money be- cause they're teaching them stuff that doesn't work, it's not true, it's not real. Gravity is not what we think it is. There is a Unified Theory! We already know what it is; it's what makes these craft work. It's absolutely incredible what's going on. "How many of you keep up with Billy Goodman's show on KVEG out of Las Vegas? For those of you who don't, I would try tuning in on any night between 10 p.m. and 1 a.m. It's 840 on your AM dial, and the subject every night are those subjects that no other media person in the United States will touch with a 10-foot pole, every single night except Saturday night. It's the only show that you can call in and talk to another caller, you've got three minutes to say whatever you want to say as long as you don't cuss or swear or slander anyone, and every night they're helping to expose this. "When John Lear and I first said what was going on out at Groom Lake everybody said, 'You're nuts, there's nothing going on out at Groom Lake!' The listeners of the Billy Goodman radio show put together an excursion and went up to Groom Lake and they all, ever since, every night, they go up there and watch them test fly the alien craft ... every night! The first night they had 100 people there. And 100 people saw four alien craft fly, doing things that no airplane and no helicopter can do. Now they don't tell us anymore that there's nothing happening at Groom Lake. What they tell us now is there's no such thing as aliens, it's all government secret projects. That's OK because we'll prove that wrong too eventually, it just takes a while. Because where we were ... it's not where we're at, and I'm really happy about that. "Now, if you want to see what's happening right now, keep watching your movies, keep watching your television commercials, your alien programs on television, read Whitley Strieber's Majestic, which is a part of the contingency plan called 'Majestic' to test the reaction of the population to the presence of aliens on the Earth. And I have just finished my study of Whitley Strieber's book Majestic, and I'm going to tell you right now that most of the documents in there, that he says are fiction, are real documents that came right out of Project Grudge. It is part of the government's campaign to leak informa- tion out in ways that they can always deny that it's real. There's only one thing wrong with the information in that book, the stories of the characters in there I know nothing about. What I'm talking about are the supposed government documents that he has in that book. I'm telling you tonight they're real. Those are some of the same documents that I saw in Project Grudge back between 1970 and 1973, and where we have wondered before, now we know that Whitley Strieber is working for the government. And we had a suspicion anyway because in the front of his book he states that he got information and was helped by the research team of Moore, Shanderey, and Friedman. William Moore has pub- licly admitted on July 1 that he is an agent of the United States Government, and we know that the others are too. "This is going to come out, and the reason they're doing it the way they're doing it is they know eventually you're going to find out that it's all true and real. They're desensitizing you so that you're not shocked, so that there's no collapse of soci- ety as we know it, so that the religious structure doesn't fall to pieces, so that the stock market doesn't go crazy, because these were their original fears. Now, there's nothing we can do about the last one because it's already happened, there will be a segment of the population that worships the aliens, even though they're no different than us; they're just from somewhere else, and they may look a little different. They are not gods. But there are already people worshiping the aliens and they predicted this would happen when they slapped the secret stamp all over all this stuff. "You know, there's really nothing wrong with what's been happening except for three things. [Cooper forgot to mention the third thing, or was sidetracked, or included it into the second thing.] "No. 1, when they decided to keep it secret they needed to finance it, they couldn't tell the public, so they couldn't tell Congress. They decided to finance it with the sale, importation and sale, of drugs. Now in the documents that I read, in Opera- tion Majority, it specifically stated that when George Bush was the president and CEO of Sapata [sp] Oil, he, in conjunction with the CIA, organized the first large-scale drug importation into this country from South and Central America by fishing boat, to the offshore oil platforms of Sapata Oil, and then from there into the beach, thus bypassing all Customs inspections and law- enforcement inspections of any kind. They are still bringing in drugs, to a limited extent, in this manner. Another manner is by CIA contract aircraft which, one of their bases of landing is Homestead [sp] Air Force Base in Florida. We have affidavits from air controllers who have vectored the planes in, who have made sure that they're not interfered with in any way. We have affidavits from personnel at Homestead Air Force Base who say the planes have been met by Jeb Bush, who is George Bush's son. We have affidavits from people who work in the Gulf of Mexico, in the offshore oil business, that yes indeed, the drugs are coming in, at least some of them, from the offshore oil platforms." From the audience came a clear statement, "Just say no?" "Pardon? Right! Just Say No! Well that's what we're going to do ladies and gentlemen with your help. We are going to say no, no more! And you have to do it, you have to act. You either have to act or watch your country go down the tubes. "Now, that's one of the things that's wrong. The next thing that's wrong is, to keep the secret, they killed a lot of people who tried to leak it out. And if I hadn't done it the way that I did it, you wouldn't be seeing me anywhere standing or walking on this Earth now. They killed President Kennedy and during the workshop, for those of you haven't seen the tape, I will show you, on the tape, who shot the president and why. Between '70 and '73, in Operation Majority it stated verbatim that President Kennedy ordered MJ-12 to cease the importation and sale of drugs to the American people, that he ordered them to implement a plan to reveal the presence of aliens to the American people within the following year. His assassination was ordered by the policy committee of the Vilderbergers. MJ-12 implemented the plan and carried it out in Dallas. It involved agents of the CIA, Divi- sion-5 of the FBI, the Secret Service, and the Office of Naval Intelligence. President Kennedy was killed by the driver of his car, his name was William Greer, he used a recoilless, electri- cally operated, gas-powered assassination pistol that was spe- cially built by the CIA to assassinate people at close range. It fired an explosive pellet which injected a large amount of shell- fish poison into the brain, and that is why, in the documents, it stated that President Kennedy's brain was removed. If you've studied the case, you will find that indeed his brain disap- peared. The reason for that is so that they would not find the particles of the exploding pellet or the shellfish poison in his brain which would have proved conclusively that Lee Harvey Oswald was not the assassin. In fact, Lee Harvey Oswald never fired a shot, he was the patsy." Mr. Cooper paused briefly, and a lady in the audience asked the obvious question, "Why haven't you been assassinated?" "If they were to kill me right now, what would you think?" Cooper posed. "That it's the truth," several people chimed. "I've got them right where I want them. If they touch me, everyone who has ever heard me talk is going to be absolutely en- raged and is going to know that everything I've said is true. As long as they don't touch me there's going to be some of you who are always going to be wondering. But eventually we're going to bring enough proof out, and if you're here during the workshop you're going to see an awful lot of it that's going to prove to you that it's true. It's real. And it's happening! "Okay, I've tried to cover a lot of stuff, just briefly, be- cause there's no time in 45 minutes to get into anything very much." Mr. Cooper then announced the scheduled workshop session the following day in which tangible proofs could be seen but the transcriber was unable to attend. He then opened up the floor to questions and answers. A muffled question was barely heard coming from the front of the room, which in essence asked, "What about all the people in the press and others who were in Dallas and who saw the assassi- nation? Couldn't they tell where the shot came from? Why didn't they come forward? There must have been plenty." "There was, we know that there was at least 18 who were all murdered within two years of the event. The odds of that happen- ing are 1 in 300,000 trillion," Cooper replied. Again a muffled question, "Why did the driver have to shoot Kennedy?" "Because the other fools missed! There were a total of three shots fired at President Kennedy, one hit him in the throat and didn't kill him and two of them hit John Connelly [sp]. The one that was fired from the grassy knoll hit the president in the throat. The other two shots came from directly behind the limou- sine, not the school book depository building, and hit Governor Connelly. Governor Connelly, in intelligence community circles, is known as a 'can do' man, because he took two hits and still kept his mouth shut." "How is it that the driver, sitting on the front, left-hand side of the car was able to blow off the right side of Kennedy's brain when the bullet actually entered in, and it would have been virtually impossible ..." another person asked. Mr. Cooper seized the gist of his question and injected, "For those of you who have been listening to all these talk show hosts, whose job it is to be a talk show host, and who have not done any legitimate research into this, if you come to the work- shop, I will show you, on the tape, how it was done. You will see that Kennedy was, in fact slumped over against Jackie, his head was turned [this direction], it was very simple, it was easy and you will see it with your own eyes." Another muffled, off-mike question from a member of the au- dience inquiring why no one else had come forward with the infor- mation Mr. Cooper was disseminating, and why those who knew it had kept it secret for so long was quickly answered, "It hasn't been, I'm talking about it now. Bill English was talking about it eight years ago, but everybody laughed at Bill English. John Lear's been talking about it for three years, and everybody laughed at him. Now there's so many people have been talking about it, people are starting to listen, and it's about time. Because it's about time we that we quit being fools, and that's exactly what they think we are, and we prove it to them every day." The next question dealt with the alien technology and asked in essence, "Hasn't any one else [other than the government] come up with the energy technology that the aliens have?" to which Mr. Cooper answered, "There's been quite a few people who've come up with it and they've all been stopped, and they'll all continue to be stopped. Because once you have it you have free energy. Once you have free energy they no longer have power over you. You un- derstand? That's why they stop it." Another question asking, "In the film of the assassination, which was examined greatly by experts, why didn't they conclude that Kennedy's driver shot him?" to which Cooper asked, "Examined by whom greatly? Most of the film that you can purchase has that segment cut out, and you can always tell it by the person running in the background, they'll run up to here ... all of a sudden they'll be down here ... running. You will see in most of the clips that you've ever seen on television, or in the movies, or that you're able to get your hands on, you'll see William Greer start to turn like this ..." then a muffled comment from the au- dience, then Cooper answered, "That's because they clipped it out! And on a lot of them, I'll bet you most of you, every time you've seen the clip on television, never looked at the driver anyway. If you're really honest with yourself, and with me, you know your eyes were right on Kennedy." A woman asked if any of the alien technology was being used in present-day military equipment and was answered, "Yes, there's a lot of alien technology contained in the Stealth bomber, that's right. The Stealth fighter was flying for 10 years before you even knew it existed." As the hour drew late another question, more clearly stated, was asked of Mr. Cooper, "Before you let us all out of here, there's a bunch of us here wondering what can we all do to help bring this all out?" A single word, "revolt," issued from several listeners si- multaneously, but Cooper responded, "Don't revolt. What you need to do is what you should have been doing all along. You need to get involved with your government. The first thing you need to do is purchase a copy of the Constitution, which I know that most of you don't have anywhere in your house, and if I were to go around this room and ask each person what the Constitution says, most of you couldn't tell me what the Constitution says from your grocery bill. And that's the truth! And that is your country! So if you don't know what your Constitution is you're dead al- ready, so the first thing you do is you get a copy of your Con- stitution. The second thing you do is you learn it! The third thing you do is you start calling your senators and your repre- sentatives, and the President of the United States and you start leaning on them, and you tell them, 'Unless you straighten up the government, and unless we start getting the truth, and I mean the whole truth, and no more of this baloney, this is the last job you're ever going to have, period. And I'll do everything in my power to make sure that comes true.' And then write them, fre- quently, saying the same thing. And then when they're in your area, in their area offices, take a little delegation and go see them, and make them understand that they're going to be living in poverty because they're not going to have a job anymore come election day. You see, the secret government may own the execu- tive branch, but you people, all of us, we own the Congress, and the Congress makes the laws, and the Congress can impeach the en- tire executive branch! You also have the right to petition the government for a redress of injuries. So you are powerful, you've just forgotten that you're powerful, you've forgotten that that vote that you haven't been doing every time election comes around, that vote has abdicated your power. That vote you did not cast abdicated your power and gave it to those who are sub- verting the Constitution and are ruining this country." A gentleman then asked, "What was traded to the aliens for their technology?" "People and animals," replied Cooper succinctly. Another man asked, "Is the Soviet Union in on any of this?" "The Soviet Union and the United States of America have been close allies since the end of World War II and have been closely participating in the secret space program all this time. The So- viets have the same thing we have, yes. What you see happening in the Soviet block right now is not the result of people stand- ing up and saying, 'We want to be free.' It's the result of the international bankers saying, 'You tear down these barriers, and you meet the West half way, give your people some freedom, the West is going to take some freedom away from their people so that we can put together a one-world economic system ... and have all the power. That's what's happening! If you don't believe it, stick around and watch it!" A dubious woman then asked, "Why was the shellfish poison necessary? A lot of his brain was blown off anyway." Cooper: "The shellfish poison? If you go to kill someone, one thing I've learned, I learned it real good, I learned it es- pecially good when I went to Vietnam; just because you shoot someone doesn't mean they're going to die. And if they don't die, they're going to be mad. And if they've got a gun, you're dead. So you want the first time to be the last time. So if you really want to kill somebody you don't play around. If you re- ally want to kill somebody ... you kill them, you don't play, you make sure that when you shoot them, they're dead. That way they can't hurt you, can't hurt you at all." Regrettably, the next question was totally unintelligible, but thankfully Mr. Cooper had a good public address system to am- plify his reply, "The first moon landing was May 22, 1962 ... or excuse me, that was the first landing on Mars. I'm sorry, May 22, 1962, was the winged probe that used a hydrozine propeller, flew around approximately three orbits and landed on May 22, 1962, was a joint United States/Russian endeavor. The first time that we landed on the moon was sometime during the ... probably middle 50s, because at the time when President Kennedy stated that he wanted a man to set foot on the moon by the end of the decade we already had a base there." "What about Mars?" came another quick question. "We have a base on Mars also," Cooper calmly replied. "When did that happen?" "I don't know the exact date but I know the project's name, it was 'Adam and Eve.'" "How long have you known about this?" "Well, I revealed it publicly for the first time on July 2, 1989, and within three weeks of the time I revealed it publicly, the government, to get the American people not to listen to me, came out and said that they planned to build a base on the moon and a colony on Mars. Now, three days previous to my speech, representatives from NASA said, 'We can never have a colony on Mars, it's impossible that there's a colony on Mars because Mars is a dead planet.' And it's not a dead planet, they've lied to you about Mars." "My name is Dave [unintelligible], I'm a representative of the Crystic Institute, and I'd like to know why it was that when we sent a representative down to your home, at your request, you failed to produce any documentation to substantiate your allega- tions." "In the first place it was not at my request, I have never contacted the Crystic Institute in my life. I was on the Carol Hemingway Show, she contacted the Crystic institute, she told Daniel Shehan [sp] that I had just said something about Bush and drugs on her show. He called me and told me he wanted to send an investigator, in fact he told me to even help the investigator because he was new at the job, his name was Wayne Nelson, he is a very good gentleman, he stayed at my house for two days, slept overnight on my couch, I gave him everything I had. I never told Daniel Shehan that I had any documents and I never told Wayne Nelson that I had any documents. In fact what I told Wayne Nel- son, and I quote, 'Wayne, if I did have the documents I couldn't admit it and I don't know you from Adam, and I don't know Daniel Shehan from Adam and what makes you think I would give them to you.' Who am I going to give them to and how quick are they going to disappear, that was my thought. Wayne Nelson also came to my house with a stack of documents this thick already substantiating the presence of aliens and extraterrestrial craft on this planet, and they are keeping it a secret, because they're afraid somebody'll laugh at them and they'll loose their credibility. "We need some patriots in this country, not people trying to make a name for themselves, trying to expose some drug runners, because those are just the bag-men. The real crook is in the White House! And you can tell that to Daniel Shehan!" "Why didn't Jackie Kennedy report [the source of the lethal shot]?" asked another audience member. "Who's she going to tell? The Secret Service just killed her husband, and they're assigned to protect the president. Also, who had her children? The same Secret Service had her children at the time." "Wasn't the craft at Roswell, New Mexico, destroyed and all the aliens killed?" another young man asked. "All the aliens were dead but the craft was not completely destroyed, it was severely damaged yes." On an unrelated note an older gentleman asked, "Does that mean that Alternative-3 is true?" "Alternative-3 is absolutely true and so is Alternative-2." Then a man in his late 20s or early 30s raised his hand, said something unintelligible, and was apparently recognized by Mr. Cooper, who asked him to take the podium and address the au- dience. "What I said was that I thanked him [Cooper] very much for coming forward and saying something. A lot of my friends out here know that I was involved in the United States Special Forces, UFO Tracking and Research from the years 1971 to 1975. My name is Richard Murray, I was based out of the 71st Tac Con- trol Flight, McDill Air Force Base, Tampa, Florida. We were 'Mobile Radar Command,' that was combat and war ready. We could be loaded on aircraft within an hour and many times were taken into areas [to] set up radar. A lot of times we were set up around Egland [sp] Air Force Base because that's where they have the 'Altered Temperature Weather Control,' where they can test various aircraft for their shrinkage and their dimension change during altered temperature. So, you know, I was told to shut up twice in 1982 and they finally threatened my parents life so I stayed quiet, and, that's when Wendel Stevens was taken off the streets ... Just like that! And I hid for quite awhile, and de- cided to come back out when I heard that you're [Cooper] of such high rank as you were, and I felt just in saying that your cre- dentials are true, and that what you have to say, everything you've said here today, I've heard before behind closed doors. And you've really tied the link for me to the Kennedy killing. And there's a few more links that have to go on with the Columbia Cartel and the money laundering. I think there's more than one cartel involved, and they're shutting one of them down so one can maintain a power, it just seems to be the way it works." A muffled question then came from someone in the audience regarding the person referred to as "Colonel Stevens." "Uh, Colonel Stevens is out of jail now," replied Murray who was quickly asked another question I couldn't hear to which he answered, "I sure hope to hell so, he is a wonderful man, and I give him my utmost respect, and it was one of the saddest days in my life to see what happened to him happen to him. But I don't care what they say about Wendel Stevens, in my heart you can't discredit that man to me. I don't care who the hell you are. I won't listen to it, I don't give a shit if he was screwing ba- bies. You know ... that doesn't ... he's not that kind of a man, I don't care what you say, I know him personally." The lecture was then essentially over. The "Alternative-2 and Alternative-3" that were referred to briefly are (just guessing now) two government contingency plans to 1. Declare Martial Law and invalidate the Constitution on the premise that a terrorist group had entered the country with a Nuclear weapon with plans to detonate it in a major city. All dissidents would be rounded up and placed in concentration camps and the press and media would be nationalized. All this if the information becomes public before they want it to or if the aliens attempt a takeover, and 2. Another contingency plan to contain or delay the release of this information, the details of which I am probably wrong about anyway. Mr. Cooper is a man who appears to be in his late 40s, of medium height and weight, and was dressed casually during the lecture. His hairline was receding slightly, and he carried him- self with confidence and purpose. Bill Cooper, as he was called by several in attendance, is not a professional speaker. His presentation lacked the polish of repeated deliveries which all the other lectures had during the Expo, but what it lacked in fine tuning was easily made up for in its content. Appendix A: Operation Majority OPERATION MAJORITY FINAL RELEASE THERE WILL BE NO CORRECTIONS TO THIS FILE (C) COPYRIGHT 1989 BY MILTON WILLIAM COOPER ALL RIGHTS RESERVED YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO QUOTE FROM THIS INFORMATION IN PRESS RELEASES, PERIODICALS, AND SPEECHES. INCLUSION IN ANY OTHER MEDIA REQUIRES MY EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMIS- SION. This file contains the absolute true information regarding the alien presence on Earth and the U.S. Government's involvement with the aliens. This file contains only the information as I saw it and only my information. It does not contain any information from any other source. It was necessary for me to issue the information previous to this release in a manner which would deceive the government until someone was able to independently confirm my identity, my employ- ment, my service record, my intelligence background, the identity of the person to which I gave the information in 1972, his ac- knowledgment of the information and when it was given to him, that the information is correct, that I have not seen him since 1974, and that I have not communicated with him in any form since 1976. This was necessary because this file is my death warrant if MJ-12 continues to operate in a manner consistent with its his- tory. All in the last paragraph has been independently verified by two different people who have no connection with each other. I will only list one for obvious reasons. Tony Pelham, journalist Las Vegas Bullet 300 West Boston Las Vegas, Nevada 89102. The original information that I first released was not much MAJI that I was not a threat long enough to have independent ver- ification of the facts before I risked death. [TRANSMISSION GAR- BLED] I wish to make it absolutely clear that I do not consider myself a hero. I believe that most of you would do the same thing if you knew the truth. I gave an oath that I would uphold and protect the Constitu- tion of the United States of America and I take that oath very seriously. I am doing no more now than I did when I fought in Vietnam. I am doing my duty. Please make copies of this file and send it to your con- gressman, your senator, the attorney general of the United States, and the Supreme Court. Send it also to everyone you know. Attach copies of the Bill English file and John Lears file. Send anything else you may have which tends to support the information. I, Milton William Cooper, 1311 S. Highland #205, Fullerton, California, 92632, 1-714-680-9537, do solemnly swear that the in- formation contained in this file is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. I swear that I saw this information in 1972 in the perfor- mance of my duties as a member of the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander In Chief of the Pacific Fleet as a Petty Officer in the U.S. Navy. I swear that I underwent hypnotic regression in order to make the information as accurate as possible. I swear that I can and will take a lie detector test or any other test of any reputable person's choosing in order to confirm this information. I swear that I can and will undergo hypnotic regression con- ducted by any reputable and qualified doctor of any reputable person's choosing in order to confirm this information. I will not, however submit to any test or hypnosis by anyone who is now or has ever been connected with the government in any capacity for obvious reasons. The following is brief listing of everything that I person- ally saw and know from 1972 and does not contain any input from any other source whatsoever. MAJESTY was listed as the code word for the President of the United States for communications concerning this information. OPERATION MAJORITY is the name of the operation responsible for every aspect, project, and consequence of alien presence on Earth. GRUDGE contains 16 volumes of documented information col- lected from the beginning of the United States investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) and Identified Alien Crafts (IACs). The project was financed by CIA confidential funds (nonappropriated) and money from the illicit drug trade. Partic- ipation in the illegal drug trade was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of our society. The purpose of Project Grudge was to collect all scientific, techno- logical, medical and intelligence information from UFO/IAC sight- ings and contacts with alien life forms. This orderly file of collected information has been used to advance the United States Space Program. MJ-12 is the name of the secret control group. President Eisenhower commissioned a secret society known as THE JASON SOCIETY (JASON SCHOLARS) to sift through all the facts, evidence, technology, lies and deception and find the truth of the alien question. The society was made up of 32 of the most prominent men in the country in 1972 and the top 12 members were designated MJ-12. MJ-12 has total control over everything. They are desig- nated by the codes J-1, J-2, etc., all the way through the members of the Jason Society. The director of the CIA was appointed J-1 and is the Direc- tor of MJ-12. MJ-12 is responsible only to the President. MJ-12 runs most of the world's illegal drug trade. This was done to hide funding and thus keep the secret from the Congress and the people of the United States. It was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of our society. The cost of funding the alien connected projects is higher than anything you can imagine. MJ-12 assassinated President Kennedy when he informed them that he was going to tell the public all the facts of the alien presence. He was killed by the Secret Service agent driving his car, and it is plainly visible in the film held from public view. A secret meeting place was constructed for MJ-12 in MARYLAND and it was described as only accessible by air. It contains full living, recreational, and other facilities for MJ-12 and the JASON SOCIETY. It is code named "THE COUNTRY CLUB." Only those with TOP SECRET/MAJIC clearance are allowed to go there. MAJI is the MAJORITY AGENCY FOR JOINT INTELLIGENCE. All information, disinformation, and intelligence is gath- ered and evaluated by this agency. This agency is responsible for all disinformation and oper- ates in conjunction with the CIA, NSA, and the Defense Intelli- gence Agency. This is a very powerful organization, and all alien projects are under its control. MAJI is responsible only to MJ-12. SIGMA is the project which first established communications with the aliens and is still responsible for communications. PLATO is the project responsible for diplomatic relations with the aliens. This project secured a formal treaty (illegal under the Con- stitution) with the aliens. The terms were that the aliens would give us technology. In return, we agreed to keep their presence on earth a se- cret, not to interfere in any way with their actions, and to al- low them to abduct humans and animals. The aliens agreed to furnish MJ-12 with a list of abductees on a periodic basis. MAJIC is the security classification and clearance of all alien connected material, projects, and information. MAJIC means MAJI Controlled. AQUARIUS is a project which compiled the history of alien presence and their interaction with Homo Sapiens upon this planet for the last 25,000 years and culminating with the Basque people who live in the mountainous country on the border of France and Spain and the Syrians. GARNET is the project responsible for control of all infor- mation and documents regarding this subject and accountability of the information and documents. PLUTO is a project to evaluate all UFO/IAC information per- taining to space tel [TRANSMISSION GARBLED] POUNCE is the project formed to recover all downed/crashed craft and aliens. REDLIGHT is the project to test fly recovered alien craft. It is conducted at AREA 51 (DREAMLAND) in Nevada. It was aided when the aliens gave us craft and helped us fly them. The initial project was somewhat successful in that we flew a recovered craft, but it blew up in the air, and the pilots were killed. The project was suspended at that time until the aliens agreed to help us. SNOWBIRD was established as a cover for project REDLIGHT. Several flying saucer type craft were built using conventional technology. They were unveiled to the press and flown in front of the press. The purpose was to explain accidental sightings or disclo- sure of REDLIGHT as having been the SNOWBIRD craft. LUNA is the alien base on the far side of the Moon. It was seen and filmed by the Apollo astronauts. A base, a mining operation using very large machines, and the very large alien craft described in sighting reports as MOTHER SHIPS exist there. NRO is the National Recon Organization based at Fort Carson, Colorado. It is responsible for security for all alien or alien craft connected projects. DELTA is the designation for the specific arm of the NRO, which is especially trained and tasked with security of these projects. JOSHUA is a project to develop a low frequency pulsed sound generating weapon. It was said that this weapon would be effective against the alien craft and beam weapons. EXCALIBUR is a weapon to destroy the alien underground bases. It is to be a missile capable of penetrating 1000 meters of Tuff/hard packed soil such as that found in New Mexico with no operational damage. Missile apogee not to exceed 30,000 feet AGL and impact must not deviate in excess of 50 meters from designated target. The device will carry a one-megaton nuclear warhead. ALIENS: There were four types of aliens mentioned in the papers. A LARGE NOSED GREY with whom we have the treaty, the GREY reported in abductee cases that works for the LARGE NOSED GREY, a blond human like type described as the NORDIC, a red haired human like type called the ORANGE. The home of the aliens were described as being a star in the Constellation of Orion, Barnards star, and Zeta Riticuli 1&2. I cannot remember even under hypnosis which alien belongs to which star. EBE is the name or designation given to the live alien cap- tured at the 1949 Roswell crash. He died in captivity. KRLL OR KRLLL OR CRLL OR CRLLL pronounced Crill or Krill was the hostage left with us at the first Holloman landing as a pledge that the aliens would carry out their part of the basic agreement reached during that meeting. KRLL gave us the foundation of the yellow book which was completed by the guests at a later date. KRLL became sick and was nursed by Dr. G. Mendoza who became the expert on alien biology and medicine. KRLL later died. His information was disseminated under the pseudonym O.H. Cril or Crill. GUESTS were aliens exchanged for humans who gave us the bal- ance of the yellow book. At the time I saw the information there were only three left alive. They were called (P&#'s) Alien Life Forms. [TRANSMISSION GARBLED] RELIGION The aliens claim to have created Homo Sapiens through hy- bridization. The papers said that RH-blood was proof of this. They further claimed to have created all four major reli- gions. They showed a hologram of the crucifixion of Christ which the government filmed. They claim that Jesus was created by them. ALIEN BASES exist in the four corners area of Utah, Col- orado, New Mexico, and Nevada. Six bases were described in the 1972 papers, all on Indian reservations and all in the four corners area. The base near Dulce was one of them. MURDER The documents stated that many military and government per- sonnel had been terminated (murdered without due process of law) when they had attempted to reveal the secret. CRAFT RECOVERIES The documents stated that many craft had been recovered. The early ones from Roswell, Aztec, Roswell again, Texas, Mexico, and other places. GENERAL DOOLITTLE made a prediction that one day we would have to reckon with the aliens, and the document stated that it appeared that General Doolittle was correct. ABDUCTIONS were occurring long before 1972. The document stated that humans and animals were being ab- ducted and or mutilated. Many vanished without a trace. They were taking sperm and ova samples, tissue, performed surgical operations, implanted a spherical device 40 to 80 mi- crons in size near the optic nerve in the brain and all attempts to remove it resulted in the death of the patient. The document estimated that one in every 40 people had been implanted. This implant was said to give the aliens total control of that human. CONTINGENCY PLAN SHOULD THE INFORMATION BECOME PUBLIC OR SHOULD THE ALIENS ATTEMPT A TAKEOVER. This plan called for a public announcement that a terrorist group had entered the United States with an atomic weapon. It would be announced that the terrorists planned to deto- nate the weapon in a major city. Martial law would be declared and all persons with implants would be rounded up along with all dissidents and would be placed into concentration camps. The press, radio, and TV would be nationalized and con- trolled. Anyone attempting to resist would be arrested or killed. CONTINGENCY PLAN TO CONTAIN OR DELAY RELEASE OF INFORMATION This plan called for the use of MAJESTIC TWELVE as a disin- formation ploy to delay and confuse the release of information should anyone get close to the truth. It was selected because of the similarity of spelling and the similarity to MJ-12. It was designed to confuse memory and to result in a fruit- less search for material that does not exist. SOURCE OF MATERIAL CONTAINED IN THE DOCUMENTS WHICH I SAW The source of the material was an Office of Naval Intelli- gence counter-intelligence operation against MJ-12 in order for the Navy to find out the truth of what was really going on. The Navy (at that time or at least the Navy that I worked for) were not participants in any of this. The different services and the government conduct this type of operation against each other all the time. The result of this operation was that the Navy cut them- selves in for a piece of the action (technology) and control of some projects. As you can see this file is only a little different from my previous file. Only some names were scrambled previously to confuse the government long enough for someone to verify that what I have said is the truth. I have added information in this file that puts me in abso- lute danger. I have sent a copy of this file to people all over the coun- try and will continue to do so. Please get this file into as many hands as you can and maybe that will protect me but I doubt it. HISTORY WILL BE THE JUDGE OF ME AND THIS INFORMATION, AND I HAVE NO FEAR OF THAT JUDGEMENT. I SWEAR THAT THIS INFORMATION IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. I wish to thank all those people who have aided me in reach- ing this point and for their patience and understanding. I owe you all more than I can ever repay. Finally, it does not matter who is right and who is wrong or if a project name is in the wrong place. It does not matter who is working for whom or what is really what. It should be obvious by now that something sinister and ter- ribly wrong is going on involving the government and the UFO phe- nomenon. We must all band together and expose it now. I have done my part in the best manner that I could. I can add nothing else except my testimony in Congress or a court of law that what I saw and have written in this file is true and that I saw it. Everything in my previous file that does not conflict with this file is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and some of it is from sources and research. You may combine the files to get the entire picture. Throw out only that information that conflicts with that contained in this file. There will be no further additions or corrections to this information either now or in the future. My file is complete and stands to be judged by history. Sometime in the future the exact papers that I saw will sur- face, and you will all see this exact information contained within them. Milton William Cooper Jan. 10, 1989 Appendix B: For More Information Cooper's home address and phone number: 1311 S. Highland #205 Fullerton, Calif. 92632 1-714-680-9537 That phone number connects you to an anonymous answering machine. This information was taken from the Bill Cooper answering com- puter on 1-213-281-8222. For materials and bibliography, send $2 (no mention made of to whom you should make out the check) and a 45-cent self-addressed stamped envelope to: 19744 Beach Blvd. Suite #301 Huntington Beach, Calif. 92648 To talk to someone about ordering or available materials, call Stan Barrington at 1-805-948-1255. He'll even call you back. Here's what he had to offer as per my phone conversation with him on Feb. 27, 1990: The real Kennedy assassination tape, $18. This is the unedited Zapruder film that clearly shows the driver killing JFK. On VHS tape. Video of Cooper speech and workshop from Sedona, Ariz., $32. This is a videotaped speech and workshop from Cooper that also shows the Kennedy tape (not very clearly, though). I think this is basically the same deal as the above tran- script. On VHS tape. "Secret Government," $12. Details, in 28 pages, the workings of the secret subgovernment in the U.S. since 1947. "Operation Majority," $12. Details the goings on and structure of Operation Majority, the people who run all UFO-related ac- tivities. "Jason Society," $12. List of 51 scientists, last updated in 1987, who work for Operation Majority. The group is still trying to find the last three scientists who are Jason Soci- ety members. For any of the above, send a check to: Stan Barrington 2059 E. Ave. I #11 Lancaster, Calif. 93535 Barrington says that the target date for one-world government is 1992. To invite Cooper to speak or be on TV, call Jeff Patterson or Scott Reid at 1-213-657-8004. Cooper's manager is Michael Callan, at 1-213-550-8368. Cooper was in Atlanta on Feb. 25. For information call Sam Matthews at 1-404-435-4233. This is the journalist whom Cooper mentions in his Operation Ma- jority file. This person supposedly can verify the facts: Tony Pelham Las Vegas Bullet 300 West Boston Las Vegas, Nevada 89102 For the book Alien Magic by William Hamilton, which has all kinds of pictures from a secret lab, write: Robert Girard P.O. Box 83183 Stone Mountain, Ga. 30083-0023 1-404-297-4624 Appendix C: Musings There is some thought that the U.S. Air Force, in conjunc- tion with the Canadians, has standing orders to deny any UFO sightings to the public. Timothy Good, in his book Above Top Secret, states: "Cooperation between the United States and Canada in the report- ing of UFOs was laid down, for example, in the Canadian-United States Communications Instructions for Reporting Vital Intelli- gence Sightings (CIRVIS) JANAP 146 (E), issued in March 1966 by the Joint Chiefs of Staff as well as the Canadian Defense Staff. This publication lists instructions for the reporting of 'information of vital importance to the security of the United States of America and Canada and their forces, which in the opin- ion of the observer, requires very urgent defensive and/or inves- tigative action by the U.S. and/or Canadian armed forces.' Sight- ings within the scope of JANAP 146 include 'Unidentified Flying Objects' as distinct from 'Hostile of unidentified single air- craft or formations of aircraft,' and there are lengthy and elab- orate instructions for reporting UFOs" (Good, 192). And later he states: "Because of reports like these [UFOs], airline pilots became subject to military restrictions contained in a Joint Army-Navy-Air Force Publication (JANAP), drawn up by the Joint Communications-Electronics Committee, and promulgated by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and could thus find themselves li- able to a prison term of up to 10 years and/or a fine of $10,000 if they discussed their sightings with the media or public" (Good, 283). * * * Stan Barrington offers a document about "Operation Majority, which concerns the dealings of MJ-12. The following discussion, taken from the alt.conspiracy section of Usenet, focuses on the validity of those documents: "What is the latest status of the MJ-12 documents (concerning authenticity)? I know that Klass did his usual de- bunking job, but also read that Friedman produced all the sup- porting evidence Klass had demanded (similar typefaces in use on other documents of the same era, etc.). Has the U.S. Government taken a formal position on the MJ-12 documents? What evidence, pro and con, has been produced on the authenticity issue since their release. What are the details of the release? Any and all information will be appreciated. Thanks." The reply was: "I don't know about the U.S. Government's position, but Klass has done a pretty good job of showing that there is at least some fraud in the papers. In particular, he has shown that the supposed signature of Harry Truman on one of the critical papers is identical to the signature on another document in the National Archives, except that it's (if I recall correctly) 3.6 percent larger. It is impossible for two signatures to be identical unless one is a photographic copy of the other, and interestingly, most copying machines do a very small expansion of what they copy to prevent edge effects--a blow-up of exactly 1.2 percent. So it would appear this supposed signature is actually a third-generation photocopy of Truman's signature. Handwriting experts have confirmed this. I believe it's written up in the current (Spring 1990) Skeptical Inquirer, but I can't find my copy at the moment so I can't say for sure." I don't know who Klass or Friedman are, (although Friedman may be the same person that was mentioned as a helper in Majestic by Whitley Strieber, and also mentioned as a government official in the speech) but the Skeptical Inquirer is a respected paranor- mal debunking newspaper put out by James "the Amazing" Randi. It also seems to me that the idea that Truman's signature is a photocopy of another one in the National Archives is a bit odd. There must be thousands of Truman signature in the Archives, and thinking that someone could find the one that exactly matched a 3.6 percent enlargement is laughable (but then again, those same people find the idea of a huge UFO cover-up laughable). * * * Whitley Strieber is a strange character in this whole af- fair. He is the writer of Wolfen and The Howling, two horror novels. Lately, he turned to writing about UFOs. His first book on the subject, Communion, deals with his personal experiences with abduction by an unknown intelligence (Strieber always tries to avoid the word "alien," so he can leave the options open that these are humans that are traveling through time or even an unknown earthly intelligence). His second book, Transformation, is not as familiar to me, but I have heard that it is more of the same as Communion, except that it is less well- supported and deals with a sort of religion of the unknown. Strieber contends in that book that the "others" (as he calls them) gave him a sketchy design for an anti-gravity motor that relies on rotating magnets. His third book is Majestic. Milton William Cooper mentions it in his speech. This book follows the Cooper speech closely in many regards; in fact, sometimes it seems like one is stealing from the other because they are so close. Strieber writes this book as fiction, but at the end there is a section in which he says that the book is based on truth and that the government is hiding information from the public. He insists that this truth must be brought out. However, Cooper says that Strieber is work- ing for the government. He offers some proof to this claim, but he doesn't really say why the government would hire Strieber to write Majestic, or whether he was hired before he wrote Communion and Transformation. All Cooper says is that Strieber is testing the waters, leaking the information in a way that the government could deny. I think that if Strieber works for the government, then it is mostly likely because the government thinks that people will not believe anything he writes about UFOs, given his history of writing horror. Thus, the government has Strieber write some- thing that is based on truth, and everyone thinks it is coming from such a bad source that it must be false. * * * This from Keith Rowell in Oregon: "You folks interested in Strieber's claims should check out the book Report on Communion (Morrow, 1989) by Ed Conroy. "Conroy is a San Antonio-based freelance reporter who wrote some early articles for the local newspaper and then continued to explore and investigate till he ended up with a book. He basi- cally concludes that Strieber's claims are true as far as we now understand the UFO phenomenon, which is very far from adequate at this time. (The scholarly and scientific establishment has yet to honestly and openly embrace the problem of the UFO. Conroy's book is opening the way for the investigative media people, though. Things are changing as the UFO issue just refuses to go away.) You will all hear more and more about the reality status of UFOs as we go through the 1990s. Intelligence establishment secrecy is being slowly broken down and the scientific/scholarly community is slowly putting up less resistance as the years go by. "My opinions are based on 15 years of reading the UFO liter- ature and four years or so of more or less active participation in the UFO community. It is very hard to understand what is go- ing on in the UFO community without paying very close attention to it. The normal sources of news and information cover this group of people in a very inconsistent and sometimes downright biased way. You're just going to have to get your feet wet on this one; otherwise, you'll just being talking through your hat. "I'll be happy to send via electronic mail my representative UFO bibliography to anyone who wants it. Lately, new (and sig- nificant) UFO books are added practically monthly in the past few years. UFOs are hot again. We seem to be in a peak of activity again. "The latest significant book is by Ed Walters on his Gulf- breeze UFO/photograph experiences, being distributed to your lo- cal bookstores as I write this." Article: 456 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!news.cs.indiana.edu!bsu-cs!bsu-ucs.uucp!00kepulver From: 00kepulver@bsu-ucs.uucp Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: MIB book Message-ID: <1991Apr3.084540.440@bsu-ucs.uucp> Date: 3 Apr 91 08:45:40 GMT Lines: 5 has anyone out there heard of a new book about the MIB entitled "MIB"? according to a friend of mine who actually saw a copy of it, it's a pretty thick book and the cover is either gold w/ silver letters or silver w/ gold letters. i forgot. also, the book is supposed to have actual pictures of the MIB in it. Article: 459 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!ldoering From: ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Mars Visited ??? Summary: WWN strikes again! Message-ID: <1991Apr4.162832.26979@engin.umich.edu> Date: 4 Apr 91 16:28:32 GMT References: <1991Apr4.123141.3428@santra.uucp> Sender: Larry Doering Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 33 In article <1991Apr4.123141.3428@santra.uucp> v39989r@saha.hut.fi (Kimmo Korhonen) writes: > > >Some time ago I came across an article telling me this: >>There has been found a structure very much like a humanoid face >>in Mars! The other half of the face-like structure was shaded >>in the photos taken by some probe! Also pyramid-like structures >>were said to surround the 'face'! >The article was in a Finnish science magazine. >Perhaps someone knows more about this puzzling thing! >More information requested! Well, here in the US, the "Face On Mars" story was first broken by my favorite source of facts, the Weekly World News. Viking orbiter photos of Mars showed some kind of formation on the surface that, viewed with shadows from the correct angle, looks kind of like a face. (I've also seen a Viking lander photo that shows a rock on the surface with a mark on it that looks like the letter B.) Over a period of a couple of months, the Weekly World News printed several more stories saying similar "faces" had been seen on Venus, the moon, and on the surface of Neptune. The final story I saw had the headline "Face On Mars Is Trying to Talk!" So, from this we can conclude the following: Aliens constructed giant faces on several planets and the moon to attract our attention; scientists are lying to us when they say Neptune is a gas giant (since the face on Neptune would require a solid surface); and either the Roman alphabet was given to us by an alien race, or there really are US bases on Mars a la Alternative 3. Having once held a Top Secret security clearance with Special Access privileges, I can say, based on documents I've seen, that all the above and much much more is absolutely true. Email me for more info. Article: 461 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!uunet!bu.edu!lll-winken!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!applelink.Apple.com!showen From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Pleiadian Tape Description Part 1 Message-ID: <12918@goofy.Apple.COM> Date: 4 Apr 91 18:51:55 GMT Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Distribution: all Organization: Apple Computer Lines: 358 Xref: ns-mx talk.religion.newage:4938 alt.alien.visitors:461 Here is a description of some of the Pleiadian Tapes. I scanned it and corrected most of the mistakes. There may be a few I missed. If there is any interest I will post part 2. THE PLEIADIANS CHANNELED BY BARBARA J.MARCULIAK The following is a list of available Pleiadian tapes channeled by Barbara J. Marculiak starting with January 1989. For ordering tapes and for updated tape information see the last page of this listing. STRETCHING 3RD DIMENSIONAL MAN (01/05/89) Our flexible consciousness/Energy Exercise: Doorway to treasure chest to a new reality, why our world is being assisted by the Pleiadians, Earth man attributes Yahweh/Christ/judgment who arc the ET teachers, ETs among U6, ET- in detention on Earth, recent quake in Afghanistan, Russian Leaders, children of today, how help comes, how we change our belief coming split into two worlds, renouncing of the current "material" world, healing, the games doctors play, personal protection and shielding/there no secrets, violent acts. Energy Exercise - blue light space travel. THE EXPANDED SELF(010689)Channeling,the pool of perception Language of Light, nuclear 8 natural disasters, mass death, state between sleep & dreaming,benefits of short naps,value of day dreaming, Energy Exercise:Halo of light freewill,the Earth requirement of birth, various entities and their interest in Earth beings living inside the Earth, meeting with our guides and oversoul grouping in our dreamstate, plane bombings, terrorists, ET's who appear human, our personal plan for being here now, how we learn our "homework" quicker, our magic eye, Energy Exercise: Immersing in the pool of light and all knowing, the spiral crystal. THE RICHNESS OF LIFE (01 89) How to accelerate change /manifest, the care of the internal being, Energy Exercise: The Flower, growth, worry and doubt, color and flowers, Yahweh, Ra, who make up our heritage, dimensions of existence, reincarnation, the over soul, relinquishing control suffering, guilt, our spirit guides, Energy Exercise; Awakening the spark of life within the new Earth CREATING WITH EASE (01-19-89) How to center, how to create, can we create for another, what is money, Circles of Light, magic and the misuse of numbers, flying dreams, length of sleep n, insomnia nightmares, dream interpretation , what our cars represent, taking responsibility for our lives, how to accelerate our learning, child death what death and completion me n, the roles our children assume, Energy Exercise. FURTHERING YOUR PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT (01-25-89) Examine who you are, discernment vs. judgment, Energy Exercise. weather changes, elestial crystals, how to activate your crystals, what rainbows in your crystals mean forgive all, how to sever tics, Energy exercise: The child and the Light Beings, our relationship to our parents, Camelot and Merlin, Energy Exercise. IMMORTALITY OF BEING AND CONTACT (012589) Your immortality, changing your age span, aging is unnecessary, how to be free of physical difficulties, true key to actualization preparing for ET contact, money, what is a state of blowing, how to affect those around you, diets and habits and how they will change, how to deal with children ET contact, discernment vs. judgment, beams from the sky and from our TVs, US government, Energy exercise: 4th Dimensional Man, US space program happenings within the government, y . RESPONSIBILITY AND EMOTIONS (02-03-89) The lesson mankind is now learning, why ET's are here now, what judgment of yourself really does, what forms all our experiences, what being "coded" means, Energy Exercise: Light Beings, activating substances for our acceleration, why we choose this time to -be alive, probable glimpses of our future, is our Earth doomed, what is 4th dimensional experience, Energy Exercise. THE MIND GAME AND PATTERN (02-08-89) The importance of breathing for the purpose of oxygenating our system, meditation and the expansion of our codings, why we have rules, the importance of loving the self, where we were before we came to Earth, consciousness, Dolphins, what is healing, why choose ascension, traveling while sleeping, animal consciousness, the role of the ocean, the tortoise, insects and cats,progress of the USA,Albert Einstein crystals.Energy Exercise Blue light on the spine. LOVE - YOUR GREATEST RESOURCE (02-14-83) Where the Pleiadians get their information and how they approach their Avails of realities, who is teaching the teachers, "we" are not all knowing, coding within our DNA structures, how to listen to your heart instead of the brain, the importance of love, Energy Exercise: Indian Medicine Wheel KNOWLEDGE -YOUR KEY TO LIBERATION(02-15-89)What is liberation importance of accepting the body, dream states, what codings are, transmuting, the meaning of food, what our physical manifestations mean, what our can mean how to meditate and its importance, waves and frequencies, TV and its effects, how to stay alive 100 more years, how to clear yourself, how to breathe properly, color and meditation, food and how to process it, why we live where we do. Energy Exercise: Stone Temple. DESIRE AND THE DESIGN OF YOUR WORLD (02-22-89) What brings about what we want, sloppy thinking and the value of logic, the Unnamed Decade, Earth anchor energy buckets, the ways ET's appear and what they are doing here, fear of ET contact and how to deal with it, who seeded planet Earth, water worlds: doorways to other dimensions, owner of the "ark", reforming our bodies, learn from anger, Stonehenge and ley/grid lines, activating the solar plexus, dreams, Energy Exercise: activating DNA codings. LA EXPANSION - CHANNELED IN LA (02-24-89) Changes that are coming, Energy Exercise: Energy alignment, connections to our oversoul, who God is, what happens when we die and when we dream, what is multidimensional experience, how wrong our history books are, spirit guides, love and relationships, healing with love, activating the feeling center of the heart, shared realities and probable future, simultaneous time and dreams and realities, Energy Exercise: Simultaneous Lives, breathing, sound and color - how it effects you, how important what you say is, walk-ins, what is First Cause?, AIDS, free will and thought manifestation, the AMA and drugs, magnetism, death and life expansion. Energy Exercise: The Gardeners of Earth. PATHWAY TO POWER (03-01-89) What is power and how to claim it, love and free will, how to stop judging, clearing techniques, where do our thoughts come from, how to ask for what we want, is judgment necessary?, the story of 10, oversouls, transcendence, sexuality and soulmates, relationships, vision quest, women and power, the ultimate goal, what our eyes and ears show us, rock music, understanding the symbols we create, indigestion, love and relationships, language of the body, how to effect the legal system, crickets, the whole brain experience.Energy Exercise: Activating the feeling center. THE TRUTH OF YOUR JOURNEY (03-02-89) Change does not have to be painful, how to change the world, be at the peak of your learning abilities, accupressure points, psychic surgery, new age schools, sacred geometry in building structures, direct your reality, the missing link of man, how your soul picks its body, where our animals come from, energy portholes, inner Earth, death, design your dreams, Energy Exercise: Your feeling center and your past lives, lucid dreaming, coming events for the Spring and Summer of 1989, intentions are your shield, how you give your power away, out of body entities, walk-ins, using your feeling center to find your guides and teachers, what is truth?, the importance of clearing, smudging and showering, communication with Mother Earth, crystals and crystal skulls. Energy Exercise: Receiving the healing energy. WHAT YOU KNOW (03-16-89) Energy Exercise: What are your knowings?, ET's have visited every human society, coming battle between light and disruptive forces, future mind communications, Vatican & Tibet archives, space shuttle, John Tower, building the power of your mind, meet your future self now, mass ascensions in the 1990's, what is under the ice at Antarctic, animal evolution and communication, pollution, why has man learned so little, life here two million years ago, birth of Cosmic Man, bilocating, highway driving, extending the life of your car, the physical human vibrational Fields, backaches, Energy Exercise: Light in the forest THE COURAGE TO KNOW (03-22-89) The need to tap into courage and where do we get it, importance of intentions, March 1989 energy experiment, Chile fruit scare, the will of the mind, the call of the soul, where is the Christ energy now?, what is to come in the 1990' s, who is behind the mind game, North Carolina Triangle area, pain and illness, sleep processing, Energy Exercise: Events in our lives, affirmations and manifestations, rituals, reading energy fields, thought manifestations, the buffalo, Japan and their role in our economy, the Aborigines, the move eastward, Energy Exercise: The full moon and Mother Earth. LOVING LESSONS (03-30-89) The importance of loving all your lessons - even the bumps in the road, how to deal with turmoil, act-do not judge, Jehovah, ET abductions, implantations and experiments, merging of the dream and physical worlds, standing up for your beliefs, Energy Exercise: tapping into the energy around you, the Spiritual Warrior, the language of light dreams of geometric shapes, group intention and cooperation, competition, preparing for the future, Mt. Shasta, Energy Exercise: Journey through cavern to inner earth paradise. YOU ARE UNLIMITED BEINGS (04-02-89) We are our own "First Choice", what happens when love for what we are doing is missing, God's will, why do we meet the same people lifetime after lifetime, the "void" area of change and how to deal with it,why do some of us feel we do not belong here,the reality of the dream world, how did man get away from self-love, the devil, greed and suppression, stepping into the unknown, the shift away from materialism, how to know what's really going on, love for Mother Earth, how do we extend the length of our lives, the polar axis shift coming government restrictions, activate your knowings, Nikola Tesla, the power of the mind, helping others: guilt obligation and control; how to prepare for a test a job interview, or a presentation; Energy Exercise: The doorway and treasure chest to another reality. SEEDING YOURSELVES (04-05-89) A 21 day process for manifestation, the key to manifestation, healing with your hands, your intention designs your experience, Energy Exercise: Planting our desires, visualization and whole brain synchronization,what happens when we"click"out while in full waking states, who is giving us this channeling and how they transmit information, how ET's change our realities, subliminal tapes and programs, when and where did all the scientific information since the late 60's go (underground), we are being "fed" information and how we can shut this fed info. off, disappearing satellites, the face on Mars, Alaskan oil spill and how it affects the animals, what our pets reflect for us, animal extinction, the future formation of two worlds, dreaming of flying, moving into the New World and how it will feel, "checking or clicking" out during the day and while driv ing, implanting the geometric shapes, how mankind is perceived by the Universe, geometric forms and dreams, using the state between sleep and waking, how we can use new geometric shapes in our own realities, Energy Exercise: Merging with geometric forms. THE LANGUAGE OF LIGHT GEOMETRY (04-06-89) Learn to ask, how to become a world wide family, geometric shapes, the alphabet of light, the 144, chronometers, sacred places, Native American awakenings, crystal!s and crystal grids, ET Visitations dreams, Blue Beings, seeking and intensifying information received, labels, loving unconditionally from a distance, use of photographs for healing, flying in dreams, changing form, power objects, relationships: how they will change, how important they will be for growth, the spiritual warrior, Earth origins, spirals, Energy Exercise: Finding your geometric implant. TRANSMUTING MAN INTO GOD (04-12-89) All we want we already have, accelerating into new perceptions and feelings, feeling catharsis, implants at sacred sites, 12 possible geometric forms can be implanted at once, Reiki and the Language of Light symbols, crystal assistance in transducing energy, meaning of past life temple initiations, our "trusting" stone, elestials, rocks, stones and crystals, Energy Exercise: Third eye and the golden pyramid, sacred sites in North Carolina and Florida, bilocation, the Bible, the coming New World, symbolic cataclysm, the Race of Peace, the power of the youth being born today, Energy Exercise: Blue starship and the leap into the void. MASTERS OF LOVE (04-20-89) "WE ARE HERE", the coding, UFO abductions, building new man, dream reality, probable selves, Language of Light, New Age children, algae the new food source, animals and how they raise the consciousness, Lions Path, birds of prey as teachers talking a different form, fear, "In Joy, Safety and Harmony I step into the Unknown", dreams, the changes coming in performing arts/artists, remembering who we are, denial, crystal gridworks, space program, meetings in space with ET's, Energy Exercise. THE DESIGN MAN (04-23-89) Man designed by Creator Gods, Earth as a conscious being, subliminal tapes, animal consciousness, Earth MotherQa sentient being, Pleiadian Journey, plagues and wars, victim vs. perpetrator, transmuting energy, the mass belief of having to work for money, doing what you love, dream warriors, crystalline structures, Language of Light, intentions and stones, Reiki, numbers, color, toning, sound, geometric forms, musical notes, health, loveQ the key to healing, civilizations that disappear, ascensions, ET's in every society, Energy Exercise. THE GATE IS OPEN - TAKE THE LEAP (04-26-89) You as mirrors, accepting others, psychic house cleaning, recognizing help from ET' s, Forces of Light and Forces of Darkness, Dolphins, toning, moons cycle, decisions, geometric forms, crystals, third eye, perfect eyesight, rearrangement of molecular structures, new food types, channeling, Sweat Lodges, eradicating experience from memory, power places, algae, azt, Energy Exercise. PREPARATION FOR MASSIVE HEALING OF EARTH (05- 02-89) Scrying, retooling of the body, sadness of Alantian memories, painful memories, past life video's, conscious intending, Language of Light Geometry, abortion and the government, seeing in the 4th & 5th dimension, hearing and sound formations, actors becoming the character, why people fear healings, different time continuums, hidden information on our planet, suppression of great scientists and doctors, Philadelphia Experiment, new food sources, Andromeda Council, economic/monetary collapse, divas/spirits/elementals. THE ONLY LESSON THERE IS (05-04-89) Loving yourself, the only lesson, cold fusion, free energy, accelerated time, codings, "Junk DNA", selecting families for the right genes, practical information for self love, reliving memories, translation of loved ones, disease and the ozone layer, new methods of travel, mass group gatherings and the master mind of meditation, Dolphins, mass translation, Masters of Love, oxygenation, feeling, children and guides, adopted children, regeneration, earthquakes, Energy Exercise. CHANGE IS IN THE WIND (05-10-89) Clouds and UFO'S, Toning Exercise. ancient baggage and blockages, Energy Exercise: looking for your changes, building etheric bridges, light cities, extended families, hidden pyramids, Lake Titicaca, television and the Master of Love, bilocating, life extension, UFO abductions, marriage, Ascended Masters, rebirthing, manifesting employment, Energy Exercise. YOU ARE BEING REARRANGED (05-16-89) The energy acceleration during June 1989, creativity vs. dependency, cracking codings, storms, anger and fear, the button pushers, quasars, impulses and feeling, broken sleep patterns, restructuring of the body, chronometers, feelings in men, movies of the future, pyramid structures, oxygenation, breathing as the key, past lives, use of the third eye area in remembering, Herkimer Diamonds, Energy Exercise: Golden Pyramid. JUNK DNA (05-18-89) Restructuring of the DNA, super human race, Hitler, interdimensional contact, breathing, power objects, waking and sleep patterns, moving out of reason, becoming a feeler, new occupations, building courage, becoming insecure and living with it, walking on the edge of the cliff, feelings and the male vibration, choosing you parents Hitler and the hollow inner Earth, Ark of the Covenant, Sphere of Destiny, enlightened being on planet Earth, cold nuclear fusion, greenhouse effect, Energy Exercise: Skeletal Alignment. OPENING THE PATHWAYS & INNER VORTEXES (05-24-89) Energy Exercise: opening the 8th, 9th & 10th chakras, protecting yourself with shields, Legend of Altazar, facing your fears, being in knowing, Energyg Exercise:. breaking logical patterns, we are being sped up, being illogical, making no sense, bilocating, catching yourself falling asleep, New Age light centers, probabilities and simultaneous lives, Exercise:. changing patterns, Christed Energy, current events and changes in China, government covert activities, changes in the 1990's, activities in our solar system, Energy Exercise: 8th, 9th & 10th Chakras. A TASTE OF FREEDOM (05-31-89) Freedom, Energy Exercise: merging with an ET, information from animals, government and the ET coverup, shoe box syndrome, letting go of logic, Winter Solstice and probable events, Dolphins passing information to man, translation of family members, manifesting negativity, focusing intent, intention & manifestation vs. destiny & karmic debt; the 8th, 9th & 10th chakras; cities of light, limitations, the ultimate intention,Energy Exercise. LIVING IN THE EXPANDED MOMENT (06-01-89) Eradicating beliefs about time, dream thinking, recognizing fear, stalking yourself, dealing with unenlightened individuals, headaches, realities as they differ in other parts of the world, power areas, Ireland, Leprechauns, government acknowledging the UFO's/ET's, lid being lifted by the press, John F. Kennedy and his death, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Energy Exercise. INTENDING THE IMPOSSIBLE (06-06-89) Uniting your thoughts, rainbows as a cosmic seal, heat, rain, impossibilities, revolution in China, breaking through barriers, being addicted to your struggle, Unites States as the world spiritual leader,letting the child out,children and punishment, peace as the fashion, impatience, parallel worlds, power objects, ET visitation and contact, Reiki, rare quartz crystals, leaps in consciousness. Energy Exercise. 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REDEFINING EMPLOYMENT (06-13-89) Light and its travel around the planet, freedom, Declaration of Independence, redefining existence, belief systems, loving what you do, redefining work and how you get money, quitting a job, fear in your dreams, catching yourself falling asleep, group dreaming, light teachers, animal translation and birth bugs and the messages they have for us, coded movies, aging parents, labels of sickness, heredity, food and your beliefs about it, artifacts, ceremonies of the American Indians, Hall of Records, experience immediately following death, Energy Exercise: Expanding Earth's Grid. For more info contact me or write BOLD CONNECTIONS P.O. BOX 6521 Raleigh, NC 27628 Don Showen Family of Light Network Work 408-974-9544 Home 408-865-1768 Article: 462 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rphroy!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!samsung!think.com!paperboy!hsdndev!spdcc!rdonahue From: rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Suitable homelands Message-ID: <7193@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> Date: 5 Apr 91 18:37:35 GMT Organization: insert anything here Lines: 60 Yesterday someone posted something which listed the possible homeworlds of the Grey and assorted ET-folk which have cropped up in tales of abductee/close_encouter folklore. 1) Zeta-1 Reticuli 2) Zeta-2 Reticuli 3) Barnard's Star 4) Some star in Orion 1 & 2) These two stars are solar-like (G2V and G3V). This is probably a good prerequisite since earlier stars (F5 and hotter) don't last long enuf to spawn life, etc. Spectral analysis of these two stars puts their ages at about 6 Gyr. This is also important since stars which are too young aren't likely to have had life long to have evolved into space-faring civilizaitons (assuming Earth is any sort of example, and we have only had civilization (or life for that matter) for a VERY minute percentage of the time the Sun has been around. These two stars are also helium-rich, and have higher-than-normal surface gravities. But, all in all, these two stars are prime candidates. I don't have any info about their chromospheric/photospheric activity (they are very far south, and have not been observed much in those areas). Although they are a binary system, they are about 4000AU apart. At that distance one star would shine at m = -9, about 1/16th the brightness of the Full Moon, but about 100x Venus - enough to cast a shadow and be visible during the day, but probably no great effect. 3) Barnard's Star: I wouldn't hold my breath. At 1/2500th the solar luminosity, the "life sphere" (the volume around the star which could harbor planets which could support life-creating processes) is miniscule. Getting a planet in there - you'd have a better chance at hitting the lottery. It may have a planet with about 1.5 times the mass of Jupiter (at 4AU from the primary) which doesn't tell us anything about terrestrial planets closer in though... I don't have any information which suggest that it is a flare star (though dwarf-M stars are prone to this behavior). 4) Some star in Orion. Well this could be anything, almost. None of the brighter stars we all know about are candidates since they are all B stars. There are some solar-like stars in ORion, Chi-1 Orionis is one, but at 300Myr is still getting around to forming planets and initial debris clearing (which goes on up to 1.5Gyr or so [assuming our Solar System is "normal"]). Now, some of this may seem "Earthocentric" - i.e., I'm assuming that these other homeworlds must by VERY Earth-like to be "good" candidates. Well, yes and no. I think there are some constraints we can place on these things - for example the fact that evolution has to occur and that the planetary system must be formed and unchaotic (which eliminates the Pleiades). That excludes stars (IMHO) < 2Gyr old. This also lets out all OBAF stars since they don't get to be 2 Gyr old. So, I would expect the best place to look are old G stars (maybe some early K). There are several, even Alpha Cen fits in here. (Tehre is a whole extra problem to consider with binaries - whether they would hinder evolution...). But the Zeta Reticuli system *is* an interesting one, since on the surface it appears to be very close to our own, though 1Gyr older (or thereabouts). I'll continue perusing the literature and see what I can dig up. Article: 463 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!agate!stanford.edu!mcnc!uvaarpa!murdoch!sngldsh!bgarwood From: bgarwood@sngldsh.nrao.edu (Bob Garwood ) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Suitable homelands Message-ID: <1991Apr5.204958.29189@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: 5 Apr 91 20:49:58 GMT References: <7193@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory Lines: 71 In article <7193@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) writes: > > Yesterday someone posted something which listed the possible >homeworlds of the Grey and assorted ET-folk which have cropped up >in tales of abductee/close_encouter folklore. > > 1) Zeta-1 Reticuli > 2) Zeta-2 Reticuli > 3) Barnard's Star > 4) Some star in Orion > > 1 & 2) These two stars are solar-like (G2V and G3V). This is >probably a good prerequisite since earlier stars (F5 and hotter) don't >last long enuf to spawn life, etc. So far, so good, however ... > Spectral analysis of these two >stars puts their ages at about 6 Gyr. This is also important since >stars which are too young aren't likely to have had life long to have >evolved into space-faring civilizaitons (assuming Earth is any sort of >example, and we have only had civilization (or life for that matter) for >a VERY minute percentage of the time the Sun has been around. [other stuff deleted on points 3 and 4] > But the Zeta Reticuli system *is* an interesting one, since on >the surface it appears to be very close to our own, though 1Gyr older >(or thereabouts). I'll continue perusing the literature and see what I >can dig up. The following is a dredge-up of material I learned in a graduate course on stellar structure several years ago - I certainly don't keep up on stellary physics so this may be wrong - feel free to correct me if I am ... You can not, generally, look at a star like the sun and say that it is 6+-1 Gyr old. Once a star starts on the main sequence (converting Hydrogen to Hellium in the core) you really can't tell how much of the core has been converted and hence you can't tell how long its been burning. There are two ways you might estimate its age: first, for some stars there may be a convective zone in the interior that is deep enough to drege up some core-processed material. The certainly doesn't happen for solar type stars. One crude estimate might be to look at the abundances of elements heavier than helium in its atmospher. These abundances are a reflection of the nebula from whence the star formed. Since these elements are formed in other stars (either via slow nucleosynthesis in its core or fast nucleosynthesis during a supernova) and returned to the interstellar medium vi some form of mass loss (either massive wind or explosively) to some extent the abundances reflect the amount of processing of the material and, to the extent that all of the interstellar material has been similarly processed, the "age" of the material that formed that star (did anyone follow that?). However, this will be far from an exact age since we don't know exactly how uniform the interstellar medium is. Probably you can say it has solar like abundances so its in the same generation of stars as the sun. Probably this gets you an age plus or minus several billion years. Its probably safe to assume the star is older than 1 billion years, especially if its not in a stellar cluster (which means its had time to migrate from its birthplace). Cheers, Bob Garwood National Radio Astronomy Observatory bgarwood@nrao.edu p.s. its all true, aliens did destroy the 300' telescope in Green Bank, WVa. They'll probably get even with Sen. Byrd for finding funding for its replacement. Ground breaking on the new telescope (slightly larger, fully stearable) will be May 1. I expect the aliens to attempt something on this one soon. :-) Article: 465 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bruce!goanna!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!s883334 From: s883334@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (James Alan Hall) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Mars Visited ??? Message-ID: <1991Apr5.000110.29209@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> Date: 5 Apr 91 00:01:10 GMT References: <1991Apr4.164616.14688@news.iastate.edu> Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia. Lines: 23 From article <1991Apr4.164616.14688@news.iastate.edu>, by hzl11@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU: > The book that you are refering to is called ( I think) "the faces of mars" > I know someone who has a copy, I'll let you know if the title is wrong when > i talk to them.. > Matt Wiggins Ive got the book mentioned. The pictures show what appears to be a human face, complete with mouse, nose, eyes and an egyptian style headress. They only show the face from one side, so perhaps its only half a face, or they only shot the photos from one side. Nearby are other structures that are meant to be pyramidal in shape, though they dont look much like that to me. Theres also some computer enhanced photos of the face, that revel an iris and pupil within the eye, so it would appear very detailed. James. -- ______ ______ | | \ / \/\/\/\ James Hall / Mithrandir Man | | \ / \/\/\/\ s883334@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au Know |______| \/ \/\/\/\ mith@arda.pub.uu.oz.au Thyself Article: 466 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!unmvax!sci.ccny.cuny.edu!rpi!usc!apple!spies!joshua From: joshua@spies.sf-bay.org (Joshua Geller) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Mars Visited ??? Keywords: face on mars Message-ID: <1991Apr6.020627.25725@spies.sf-bay.org> Date: 6 Apr 91 02:06:27 GMT References: <1991Apr4.164616.14688@news.iastate.edu> <1991Apr5.000110.29209@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science Lines: 24 The book is called 'The Face on Mars, a City on the Edge of Forever' by Richard Hoagland. I have read it, though I no longer have a copy. It is very very interesting. The most telling feature is a clifflike structure sitting >on top< of a crater splash pattern. Also the fact that 500k years ago the sun at one of the points of the year rose over the 'wall', over the 'face' as viewed from the 'city' (forget whcih solstice/equinox it was (seems to me it was a solstice though)). It certainly is interesting enough to demand a closer look. Remember, true skepsis is not disbelief per se; it is neither believing nor disbelieving without evidence. josh *@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@* @ Joshua Geller | joshua@spies.sf-bay.org | USMail: Seattle, WA 98102-1752 @ *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* @ Geller's Law: | "If I had a steel Q-tip, I would stuff it in @ * "Never postulate conspiracy | my ear, run 10,000 volts and channel god." * @ when stupidity will explain |_______________________________________Spamgod @ * the known facts."|"This wallpaper is killing me. One of us has got to go." * @<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>Oscar Wilde's last words @ *@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@* Article: 467 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!hsdndev!spdcc!rdonahue From: rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Suitable homelands Message-ID: <7205@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> Date: 6 Apr 91 07:03:41 GMT References: <7193@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> <1991Apr5.204958.29189@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Organization: insert anything here Lines: 45 bgarwood@sngldsh.nrao.edu (Bob Garwood ) writes: >In article <7193@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) writes: >So far, so good, however ... !> Spectral analysis of these two !>stars puts their ages at about 6 Gyr. This is also important since !>stars which are too young aren't likely to have had life long to have !>evolved into space-faring civilizaitons (assuming Earth is any sort of !>example, and we have only had civilization (or life for that matter) for !>a VERY minute percentage of the time the Sun has been around. !> But the Zeta Reticuli system *is* an interesting one, since on !>the surface it appears to be very close to our own, though 1Gyr older !>(or thereabouts). I'll continue perusing the literature and see what I !>can dig up. >The following is a dredge-up of material I learned in a graduate course >on stellar structure several years ago - I certainly don't keep up on >stellary physics so this may be wrong - feel free to correct me if I am ... {mostly correct explanation deleted} Well, you can get an estimate from Li 6707A which destroys out at 2.0e6K. (roughly the temp. at the base of the convective zone) That is what I was hoping to find. The other evidence comes from moving group info which places this system in the same moving groups as Beta Hydri whose age has been set at 7Gyr or thereabouts (independently, but I forget how offhand). Additionally there doesn't appear to be much emission in Ca II K for either of these stars which decreases with age. Rotation measures would be another good test since that also decreases with age. I didn't find a measured v sin i in the YBS (not a great indicator but if it were like 10 I'd say that they were on the young side). Anyway, I pulled the info out of an A&A article in 1987. (I'm at home so I don't have the ref. handy). Granted thse are all proxy indicators, but they sorta-kinda give a rough indication of age. From what I can see, 6 Gyr probably isn't far off. BBC Article: 469 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!dahlia!jydickson From: jydickson@dahlia.uwaterloo.ca Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Mars Visited ??? Message-ID: <1991Apr6.220110.18383@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Date: 6 Apr 91 22:01:10 GMT References: <1991Apr4.123141.3428@santra.uucp> <1991Apr4.162832.26979@engin.umich.edu> Sender: news@watdragon.waterloo.edu (News Owner) Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 92 In article <1991Apr4.162832.26979@engin.umich.edu> ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) writes: >In article <1991Apr4.123141.3428@santra.uucp> v39989r@saha.hut.fi (Kimmo Korhonen) writes: >> >> >>Some time ago I came across an article telling me this: >>>There has been found a structure very much like a humanoid face >>>in Mars! The other half of the face-like structure was shaded >>>in the photos taken by some probe! Also pyramid-like structures >>>were said to surround the 'face'! >>The article was in a Finnish science magazine. >>Perhaps someone knows more about this puzzling thing! >>More information requested! > >Well, here in the US, the "Face On Mars" story was first broken by my >favorite source of facts, the Weekly World News. Viking orbiter >photos of Mars showed some kind of formation on the surface that, >viewed with shadows from the correct angle, looks kind of like a face. >(I've also seen a Viking lander photo that shows a rock on the surface >with a mark on it that looks like the letter B.) Over a period of a >couple of months, the Weekly World News printed several more stories >saying similar "faces" had been seen on Venus, the moon, and on the >surface of Neptune. The final story I saw had the headline "Face On >Mars Is Trying to Talk!" > >So, from this we can conclude the following: Aliens constructed giant >faces on several planets and the moon to attract our attention; scientists >are lying to us when they say Neptune is a gas giant (since the face on >Neptune would require a solid surface); and either the Roman alphabet >was given to us by an alien race, or there really are US bases on Mars >a la Alternative 3. > >Having once held a Top Secret security clearance with Special Access >privileges, I can say, based on documents I've seen, that all the above >and much much more is absolutely true. Email me for more info. Hey, folks, along similar lines as the faces on Mars, et al., let me tell you about the extraterrestrial evidence I have collected over the past few years: 1. There is a formation of stars in the northern sky which strongly resembles a bearinoid (bear-shaped creature) or perhaps a large ladle; 2. A rock down the street bears a strong resemblence to Bart Simpson; 3. Yesterday when I spilled my coffee, the stain on the rug looked just like the letter 'H' and the number '3'; 4. Just this morning I saw a cloud in the sky which bore an uncanny and too-close-to-be-coincidental resemblance to the face on Mars, and upon closer scrutiny, I realized that it was the exact likeness of Richard Nixon! 5. I can't believe I am the first to bring the attention of the world to this, but according to my map there is a penninsula in the Mediterranean Sea which looks just like a large boot! I think the only explanation is that ancient astronauts raised and lowered land masses to engineer this, so that space voyagers would know that pre-historic Earth was *the* place to land for top quality footwear; 6. I experimented with Orbital Mind-Control Laser effects the other day by folding paper with a blob of ink in the middle while I was in the direct range of effects of the US Military's secret sattelite armada, and when I unfolded the paper, sure enough, there before me was the obvious rendition of two chickens dancing in a bowl of tapioca pudding. Seriously, folks, the human mind survives in the world by turning the aggregate input of its senses into some sort of recognizable image. When it is confronted with randonly arranged input, it tries to resolve it into images which we would recognize. By the same token that we see faces in the clouds, or in eroded rock formations, or in ink-blot tests, or in the constellations, we also see them on the surface of Mars or Luna or wherever we look. I would be surprised if, in the thousand of photos our probes transmitted back from other planets, we did not see things which resembled Earthly objects or creatures - we see them everywhere else. Another photo which was taken of Mars but did not receive widespread publicity shows what looks just like the big happy-face seen all over on `Don't worry, Be happy' shirts and buttons (I am not kidding). And keep in mind that all of the pictures were computer enhanced, which means that what we see in the resulting photo does not necessarily accurately represent what is actually there, so what looks like a perfectly straight-edged pyramid could actually just be a sharp-edged outcropping of rock (and surely is just that). Of course, none of this will matter after next week, when the Zontaran invasion fleet lands with the tacit approval of the CIA and the open welcome of the Soviet leadership. Oh well, my time masquerading as an Earth-human was not altogether tedious. You guys have the best Reggae music in the nine galaxies! Erich Jacoby. (AKA N!Godatu the Fuzzy <8-) (Thanx to Zontar for the mail) Article: 472 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: RE: Faces of Mars Message-ID: <2869@shodha.enet.dec.com> Date: 8 Apr 91 13:48:30 GMT Sender: news@shodha.enet.dec.com Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 8 I just have to get in on this. For those of you who are buying into the "FACES ON MARS" BS I have some land in Florida I'll sell you. This stuff is pure Pulp Magazine clap trap which caters to the weak minded and the childish. Grow up folks! Steve Article: 473 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!uunet!bonnie.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!bison!sys6626!denns From: denns@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (darren enns) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: UFO's and Deceptions Message-ID: Date: 7 Apr 91 19:10:01 GMT Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB Lines: 5 Well, what the heck...I might as well reply to the one posting in this newsgroup. Yes, some Christians do believe that UFO's are "deceptions of the devil", though exactly what we mean by 'deception' in this discussion is not clear...it seems that some UFO encounters have very disruptive effects on some people... Article: 474 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!uunet!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!adena.cis.ohio-state.edu!boehm From: boehm@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Joe Boehm) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: ufo report by william cooper Message-ID: <105453@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Date: 9 Apr 91 17:39:40 GMT Sender: news@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science Lines: 12 I read the whole report and thought it was interesting. I don't believe a word of it but it makes a good "what if" story. One statement really set off my bullshit meter. > KRLL OR KRLLL OR CRLL OR CRLLL pronounced Crill or Krill was >the hostage left with us at the first Holloman landing as a >pledge that the aliens would carry out their part of the basic >agreement reached during that meeting. Why would the alien spell his name this way? If an alien told me his name was "crill", I'd probably spell it c-r-i-l-l. It's not his written language, so Article: 476 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!emory!att!cbfsb!cbnewsc!stevet From: stevet@cbnewsc.att.com (stephen.e.turpin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Faces of Mars Message-ID: <1991Apr9.182437.28914@cbnewsc.att.com> Date: 9 Apr 91 18:24:37 GMT References: <2869@shodha.enet.dec.com> Distribution: usa Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 17 In article <2869@shodha.enet.dec.com> timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) writes: > > I just have to get in on this. For those of you who are buying into >the "FACES ON MARS" BS I have some land in Florida I'll sell you. > >This stuff is pure Pulp Magazine clap trap which caters to the weak >minded and the childish. Grow up folks! > >Steve First of all, it's "FACE ON MARS", not FACES. Second of all, why do you say it is garbage? Have you read the book or seen the video? Steve Turpin Article: 477 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!att!cbfsb!cbnewsc!stevet From: stevet@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (stephen.e.turpin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: UNARIUS Message-ID: <1991Apr9.183047.29166@cbnewsc.att.com> Date: 9 Apr 91 18:30:47 GMT Sender: stevet@cbnewsc.att.com (stephen.e.turpin) Distribution: usa Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 11 Does anyone have any info on UNARIUS. I heard a guy on the radio, this morning, that said this group believes that visitors from 33 planets outside this solar system will land on Earth during the year 2001. There will be 1000 beings from each planet. Pretty wild, huh? UNARIUS people also believe in channeling. The headquarters is in El Cajon, CA. Steve Turpin Article: 479 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucselx!crash!benno@crash.cts.com From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,alt.desert-storm,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,alt.activism,alt.alien.visitors Subject: New Books: Matrix II, Behold a Pale Horse; What do you think? Message-ID: <8487@crash.cts.com> Date: 10 Apr 91 03:13:08 GMT Sender: root@crash.cts.com Lines: 17 Xref: ns-mx soc.rights.human:6260 alt.desert-storm:13723 talk.politics.mideast:24161 talk.politics.misc:34769 misc.headlines:15447 alt.activism:12142 alt.alien.visitors:479 Have any of you seen the book "Behold a Pale Horse" by William Cooper from: Wiiliam Cooper POB 3299 Camp Verde, AZ 86322 or the book: "MATRIX II" by Valdamar Valerian from: Arcturus Book Service in association with Navada Arial Research Group in Las Vegas? POB 81407, Las Vegas, Nevada 89180-1407 Avail from: Arcturus Book Service POB 831383, Stone Mountain, GA 30083-0023 It was suggested that these books would be very VERY informative, and reveal much to do with the current world afairs and their movers at the deepest levels. . Article: 4825 of alt.conspiracy Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: INFO: Clinical Analysis of UFO Abductions Keywords: PTSD Message-ID: <1991Apr10.020245.24197@bilver.uucp> Date: 10 Apr 91 02:02:45 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 626 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:480 alt.conspiracy:4825 What follows is a report given on the Psychiatry and evaluation of UFO abducted victims by RIMA E. LAIBOW, M.D. This report is not considered "light" reading. As usual, my *disclaimer* will be to read and make up your own mind :-) ------ Begin Included Text -------------------------------------------- RIMA E. LAIBOW, M.D. Child and Adult Psychiatry Cerridwen 13 Summit Terrace Dobbs' Ferry, NY 10522 (914)693-3081 CLINICAL DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN EXPECTED AND OBSERVED DATA IN PATIENTS REPORTING UFO ABDUCTIONS: IMPLICATIONS FOR TREATMENT ABSTRACT: IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS PAPER MAKES NO ATTEMPT TO ASSIGN OR WITHHOLD EXTERNAL VALIDITY RELATIVE TO UFO ABDUCTION SCENARIOS. Patients who believe themselves to be UFO abductees are a heterogeneous group widely dispersed along demographic and cultural lines. Careful examination of these patients and their abduction reports presents four areas of significant discrepancy between expected and observed data. Implications for the treatment of patients presenting UFO abduction scenarios are discussed. INTRODUCTION If a patient were to confide to a therapist that he had been abducted by aliens who took him aboard a UFO and performed a series of medical procedures and examinations on him it is not likely that the patient would find either a receptive ear or a respectful and non-judgemental response from the therapist. The material presented would lie so far outside the confines of our personal and cultural belief system that it would seem intolerably anomalous to most of us. We would probably dismiss or repudiate it using a few comfortable and familiar assumptions which hold so much obvious wisdom that they do not require specific examination. When events which are too anomalous to allow their incorporation into our world schema are presented to us, we are likely to dismiss them by using assumptions based in out currently operative world view. This effectively precludes the open evaluation of the anomaly. Hence, the "expressible" response of most clinical and lay individuals upon hearing a UFO abduction account would be an immediate dismissal of even the possibility that such an episode might occur. Close upon the heels of that determination the rapid and complete pathologization of the person offering such an account would follow. Dream states, suggestibility, poor reality testing, outright dissembling or frank psychosis are customarily offered and accepted as evident and reasonable organizing models by which the production of this material may be understood. These are typical maneuvers by which the presentation of information which challenges schematic assumptions is dismissed or screened out before the assumptions can be adequately tested for predictive reliability and accuracy. Such testing is highly desirable, however, because it offers us the opportunity to apply the scientific method to our current level of theorital sophistication and thereby refine our understanding of reality further still. Of course, this process is severely impeded when the new data is excluded from consideration strictly because it is too anomalous for assessment. Westrum has offered a model by which events become "hidden" and therefore remain anomalous to the perception of society in a circular process: the hidden event is disbelieved and its disbelief helps to keep it hidden. Citing the lengthy period during which battered children and their battering parents remained hidden, Westrum states: "An event is hidden if its occurrence is so implausible that those who observe it hesitate to report it because they do not expect to be believed. The implausibility may cause the observer to doubt his own perceptions, leading to the event's denial or mis identification. Should the observer nonetheless make a report, he/she can expect to be treated with incredulity or even ridicule. Since the existence of a hidden event is contrary to what science, society, and perhaps even the observer believes, the event remains hidden because of strong social forces which interfere with reporting. The actual degree of underreporting is sometimes difficult to believe, a skepticism which itself acts as a deterrent to taking seriously those reports which do surface." (1) But for the clinician who spends a moment before reaching these "obvious" and "intuitive" conclusions, several fascinating and potentially productive questions present themselves. If we refrain for a short period from dismissing this material out-of-hand, we find that there are at least four areas of puzzling and important discrepancy between our intuitive sense of order and the data presented by the patient. These discrepancies force us to re-examine our assumptions in light of a demonstrated failure of the theory to account for the observed phenomena. This process, while taxing and challenging, is nonetheless, the way we systemize our understanding of human health and pathology. Noting the previously un-noted and using it to refine our conceptual framework leads to better prediction and therefore to better treatment. It is not the purpose of this paper to ascribe relative reality to the experience of abduction reported by some patients. Rather, precisely because it lies outside the realm of clinical expertise to assess with certainty whether these events actually occurred or if they are mere fantasy, it is mandatory for the clinician to examine the impact of these experiences, whatever their source, upon the patient. This must be done in a clear sighted and open-minded fashion so that the impact of the experiences may be dealt with rather than made into hidden events. AREAS OF DISCREPANCY 1. ABSENCE OF MAJOR PSYCHOPATHOLOGY: It is intuitively seductive (and perhaps comfortable) for us to assume that psychotic-level functioning will necessarily be present in a person claiming to be a UFO abductee. If this level of distortion and delusion is present, a patient would be expected to demonstrate some other evidence of reality distortion. Pathology of this magnitude would not be predicted to be present in a well integrated, mature and non-psychotic individual. Instead, we would expect clinical and psychometric tools to reveal serious problems in numerous areas both inter- and interpersonally. It would be highly surprising if otherwise well-functioning persons were to demonstrate a single area of floridly psychotic distortion. Further, if this single idea fix were totally circumscribed, non-invasive and discrete, that in itself would be highly anomalous. Well-developed, fixed delusional states with numerous elaborated and sequential components are not seen in otherwise healthy individuals. Prominent evidence of deep dysfunction would be expected to pervade many areas of the patient's life. One would predict that if the abduction experience were the product of delusional or other psychotic states, it would be possible to detect such evidence through the clinical and psychometric tools available to us. This points to the first important discrepancy: individuals claiming alien abduction frequently show no evidence of past or present psychosis, delusional thinking, reality-testing deficits, hallucinations or other significant psychopathology despite extensive clinical evaluation. Instead, there is a conspicuous absence of psychopathology of the magnitude necessary to account for the production of floridly delusional and presumably psychotic material.(2) In order to test this startling and anomalous information, a group of subjects who believe they have been abducted by aliens (9, 5 male, 4 female) were asked to participate in a psychometric evaluation. An experienced clinical psychologist carried out an investigation using projection tests (Rorschach, TAT, Draw a Person and the MMPI) and the Wechler Adult Intelligence Scale. The examining clinician was told "the subjects were being evaluated to determine similarities and differences in personality structure, as well as psychological strengths and weaknesses". All of the subjects actively refrained from sharing UFO-related experiences with the examiner and she was unaware of this theme in their lives. The investigator found that commonalties were not strongly present and that: "while the subjects are quite heterogeneous in their personality styles, there is a modicum of homogeneity in several respects: (1) relatively high intelligence with concomitant richness of inner life; (2) relative weakness in the sense of identity, especially sexual identity; (3) concomitant vulnerability in the inter- personal realm; (4) a certain orientation towards alertness which is manifest alternately in a certain perceptual sophistication and awareness or in inter- personal hyper-vigilance and caution.... Perhaps the most obvious and prominent impression left by the nine subjects is the range of personality styles the present.... There is little to unite them as a group from the standpoint of the overt manifestations of their personalities.... They [are] very distinctive unusual and interesting subjects. [But] "Along with above average intelligence, richness in mental life, and indications of narcissistic identity disturbance, the nine subjects also share some degree of impair- ment in personal relationships. For [some] subjects, problems in intimacy are manifest more in great sensitivity to injury and loss than in lack of intimacy and relatedness. [Ad] "...The last salient dimension of impairment in the interpersonal realm relates to a certain mildly paranoid and disturbing streak in many of the subjects, which renders them very wary and cautious about involving themselves with others. It is significant that all but one of the subjects had modest elevations on the MMPI paranoia scale relative to their other scores. Such modest elevations mean that we are not dealing with blatant paranoid symptomology but rather over-sensitivity, defensiveness and fear of criticism and susceptibility to feeling pressured. To summarize, while this is a heterogeneous group in terms of overt personality style, it can be said that most of its members share being rather unusual and very interesting. They also share brighter than average intelligence and a certain rich- ness of inner life that can operate favorably in terms of creativity or disadvantageously to the extent that it can be overwhelming. Shared underlying emotional factors include a degree of identity disturbance, some deficits in the interpersonal sphere, and generally mild paranoia phenomena (hypersensitivity, wariness, etc.)" (3) Her findings demonstrate a uniform lack of the significant psychopathology which would be necessary to account for these experiences if abduction experiences do represent the psychotic or delusional states predicted by current theory. When the examiner was informed of the true reason for the selection of the subjects for this evaluation (i.e., their shared belief that they had been exposed to alien abductions), she wrote an addendum to the original report re- examining the findings of the testing in the light of the new data. In it she states: "The first and most critical question is whether our subjects' reported experiences could be accounted for strictly on the basis of psychopathy, i.e., mental disorder. The answer is a firm no. In broad terms, if the reported abductions were confabulated fantasy productions, based on what we know about psychological disorders, they could only have come from pathological liars, paranoid schizophrenics, and severely disturbed and extraordinarily rare hysteroid characters subject to fugue states and/or multiple personality shifts... It is important to note that not one of the subjects, based on test data, falls into any of these categories. Therefore, while testing can do nothing to prove the veracity of the UFO abduction reports, one can conclude that the test findings are not inconsistent with the possibility that reported UFO abductions have, in fact, occurred. In other words, there is no apparent psychological explanation for their reports." (4) 2. CONCORDANCE OF REPORTED DATA: The second point of intriguing discrepancy follows from this surprising absence of evidence of a common thread of severe and reality-distorting psychopathology to account for the patient's bizarre assertions. They claim that they have been abducted, sometimes repeatedly over nearly the whole course of their lives, by aliens who have communicated with them and carried out procedures much like medical examinations. Persons reporting these experiences are seen to be psycho-dynamically varied. They are also demographically varied. Reports of this basic scenario, numbering in the hundreds, have now been recorded. Even though the reporters range from individuals as diverse as a mestizo Brazilian farmer(5),an American corporate lawyer (6), and a Mid- Western minister(7), there is a perplexing and intriguing concordance of features in these reports. Certain details of the scenarios repeat themselves with disturbing regularity no matter what the educational, national, social, experiential or other demographic characteristics of the reporter. In the production of dreams, reveries, poetry, fantasies and psychotic states, while the general themes of concern may be identified easily between individuals, the specific symbolization, concretion, abstraction and representation of those themes is relatively indiosyncratic for each individual. This of course necessitates careful empathic and attentive listening on the clinician's part to gather both the general flavor and specific meaning of the elements of the fantasy state. This careful listening often means that a personal symbolic representational system can be unraveled and its contents can be rendered less mysterious to the patient. In the abduction scenarios however, both specific details and themes repeat themselves with surprising regularity: In general, the appearance and modus operandi of the aliens, their effect and procedures, their tools and interests, their crafts and physical features all tally from report to report with a high rate of concordance. (8,9,10) This intriguing fact seems impervious to the socio-economic, educational, national, or cultural background of the abductee. Similarly, whether the individual has had previous contact with the literature of abduction seems to make little difference in this vein since the reports of individuals who can be shown to have had no exposure to abduction literature also contains these common features. Skilled practitioners and investigators report in these cases that they are convinced that each of these subjects was being wholly truthful in his/her report. The concordance of both content and event in these reports makes them unlike any other fantasy-generated material with which I am familiar. Indeed, investigators like Hopkins and others claim they have intentionally withheld dissemination of certain important, frequently reported aspects of the abduction scenarios in order to provide a "check" on the material being presented to them by individuals who may have had access to this literature since abductees may have been influenced at either the conscious or the unconscious level by it. In these cases as well, the features which have previously been published as well as those withheld are both produced by the abductee (11). In instances in which the patient has read some of the abductee literature, this previously withheld material may be offered to the investigator with a sense of personal invalidation, apology and embarrassment. He often expresses concern that this information is less likely to be believed than the other material with which he is already familiar. (12) Jung and others have written widely about the use of archetypes and the collective awareness of themes and images which are asserted to present themselves in a world-wide and multi-personal way. The amount of individual variation and creative latitude demonstrated within the closed system of archetypes and collected creativity is vast. Those who pose such universals detect their presence in the complex and highly idiosyncratic presentations and guises which they are given by the unconscious mind of the patient and the artist. This disguise is idiosyncratic, they hold, precisely because a set of available images is being used to work and rework the personal realities of the individual against the background of the collective. But the abductee does not seem to be involved in the reworking of personal mythologies against the canvas of the race's mythology. The details and contents of the scenarios seem, upon extensive investigation, to bear little thematic relevance to the issues inherent in the life of the abductee. Intensive follow up investigation frequently yields no thematic, archetypical, primary process symbolic meaning to the shape or activities of the abductors and the scenario of the abduction itself. Instead, therapeutic work in these cases centers around the issues inherent in the powerlessness and vulnerability of the individual even is this were not a prominent theme in his life before the putative abduction. In other words, the customary richness of association and creativity found in the examination of dreams and other fantasy material is lacking with regard to the scenario and presentation of the aliens who abduct and manipulate the patient in the abduction story. If the abduction material is indeed archetypal or fantasy generated in nature, this is a new class of archetypes. These archetypes demand rather exact representation and mythic presentation since the activities and behavior of the aliens is rather invariant within a narrow latitude regardless of the other dream and fantasy themes of the patient. 3. ABDUCTION SCENARIOS AND HYPNOSIS. Members of both the lay and professional communities frequently assume that material referring to UFO abduction scenarios is retrieved under hypnosis. Since it is generally believed that people under hypnosis are open to the implantation of suggestions through the overt or covert influence of the hypnotist it is concluded that this material reproduces the hypnotists' expectations or interests. It is further concluded that since the hypnotist "put it there" the abduction could not be accounted for as material which emerges solely from the patient's end of dyad. Thus, the abduction scenarios are commonly dismissed as merely representing the production of desired material by compliant subjects. The abductees strong sense of personal conviction that this really happened to him during the session itself and upon recall of the session is similarly dismissed as an artifact of the process by which the fantasies were generated. Several compelling factors mitigate against the facile dismissal of data in this way. Firstly, about 20% of these highly concordant abduction scenarios are available spontaneously at the level of conscious awareness prior to hypnosis. (13,14) These accounts may be enhanced or subjected to further elaboration through the use of hypnosis or other recall enhancement techniques, but in a significant number of people producing abduction scenarios the recall is initially produced without recourse to such techniques. If their stories were substantially different from the concordant abduction scenarios produced under regressive hypnosis, a different phenomenon would be taking place. However, given the perplexing clinical presentation of similar stories from dissimilar people who are uninformed about one another's experience, this presents another highly interesting area of discrepancy. Hopkins has classified patterns of abduction recall into five categories: Type 1. patients consciously recall parts of the full abduction scenario without hypnotic or other techniques designed to aid recall. The emergence of this material may be delayed. Type 2. patients recall the UFO sighting, surrounding circumstances and/or aliens, but do not recall the abduction itself. Only a perceived gap in time indicates any anomalous occurrence. Type 3. patients recall a UFO and/or hominids but nothing else. There is no sense of time lapse or dislocation. Type 4. patients recall only a time lapse or dislocation. No UFO abduction scenario is recalled without the use of specific retrieval techniques. Type 5. patients recall noting relating to UFO or abduction scenarios. Instead they experience discrepant emotions ranging from uneasy suspicions that "something happened to me" to intense, ego-dystonic fears of specific locations, conditions or actions. They may also exhibit unexplained physical wounds and/or recurring dreams of abduction scenario content which are not fixed in their experience as to place and time. (15) Examination of the transcripts of hypnotic sessions which yield abduction material reveals that although subjects are sufficiently suggestible to enter the trance state as directed by the therapist, they resist having material "injected" into their account. They customarily refuse to be "lead" or distracted by the therapist's attempts to change either the focus or content of their report. The subject characteristically insists upon correcting errors or distortions suggested or implied by the hypnotist during the session. Hence it is difficult to account for the similarities and concordances of these scenarios through the mechanism of suggestibility when these subjects so steadfastly refuse to be lead by hypnotists. In fact, it is even more striking that while these patients feel the material which they are producing both in and out of hypnosis as experientially "real", nonetheless they frequently seek to discount or explain away this bizarre and frightening material. This remains true even though sharing it regularly results in a significant remission of anxiety- related symptoms and discomfort. These abduction scenarios are so ego-alien that they have frequently not shared the material with anyone at all or with only a highly select group of trusted intimates. In the vast preponderance of cases patients are reluctant to allow themselves to be publicly identified as having had these experiences since the perceive that the abduction scenario is so highly anomalous that they expect to experience ridicule and repudiation if they become associated with it publicly. It therefore functions like a guilty secret in the way that rape has (and, unfortunately still does in some cases). After the material is produced and explored, these subjects often experience a marked degree of relief. This is true with reference both to previously identified symptomatic behaviors and other anxiety manifestations not noted on initial assessment. These other symptoms may remit after enhanced recall of the scenario and its details takes place. It is interesting to note that while the scenarios may contain a good deal of highly traumatic material specifically related to reproductive functioning, these episodes are nearly uniformly free of subjective erotic charge when either the manifest or latent contents are examined. 4. POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER (PTSD) IN THE ABSENCE OF EXTERNAL TRAUMA: PTSD was first described in the content of battle fatigue (16). Although it may present in a wide variety of clinical guises (17) PTSD is currently understood as a disorder which occurs in the context of intolerable externally induced trauma which floods the victim with anxiety and/or depression when his overwhelmed and paralyzed ego defenses prove inadequate to the task of organizing unbearably stressful events. In the service of the patient's urgent attempt to still the tides of disorganizing anxiety, fear or guilt<18> which accompany the emergence of cognitive, sensory or emotional recall of these traumatic events, the trauma itself may be either partly or completely unavailable to conscious recall. <19>...Both physical and psychological responses to the trauma are profound and pervasive. PTSD follows overwhelming real-life trauma and is not known to present as a sequel to internally generated fantasy states.<20> This fourth area of discrepancy between predicted and observed data is perhaps the most striking and challenging. Patients who produce alien abduction material in the absence of psycopathology severe enough to account for it often show the clinical picture of PTSD. This is remarkable when one considers that it is possible that no traumatic event occured except that rooted only in fantasy. These trauma are, in large measure, split off, denied and repressed as they are in other occurrences of PTSD. As discussed above, these scenarios frequently appear in individuals who are otherwise free of any indication of significant emotional and psychological instability or pre-existing severe psycopathology. On careful clinical assessment, these memories do not appear to fill the intrapsychic niches usually occupied by psychotic or psycho-neurotic formulations. The abduction scenarios do not encapsulate or ward off unacceptable impulses, they do not define split off affects, they are not used either to stabilize or to divert current or archaic patterns of behavior nor do they provide secondary gain or manipulative control for the individual. Instead, this material, experienced by the patient as unwelcome and totally ego-dystonic, seems quite consistently to be woven into the fabric of the patient's internal life only in terms of his reactive response to the stress inherent in these experiences and the contents of the repressed material related to the stressful memories. But the extent of this secondary response can be extensive. It should be noted that PTSD has not previously been thought to occur following trauma which has been generated solely by internally states. If abduction scenarios are in fact fantasies, then our understanding of PTSD need to be suitably broadened to account for this heretofore unexpected correlation. In addition, there are significant clinical implications to the finding of abduction scenario material in a patient who shows PTSD but is otherwise free of significant psychopathology. Since abduction scenario material presents several crucial areas of anomaly and discrepancy between what is known and that which is observed. It is very important for the therapist to refrain from the comfortable (for the therapist, at least) description of psychotic functioning to the patient who produces this material until such disturbance is, in fact, demonstrated and corroborated by the presence of other signs beside the UFO-related material. It is imperative for the therapist to adopt a non-judgemental stance. He can attend to the distress of the patient without attempting to confirm or deny possibilities which are outside the specific area of his expertise. The clinician should adopt as his therapeutic priority the alleviation of the PTSD symptomology through the use of appropriate and acceptable methods specific to the treatment of PTSD. In addition, the therapist must remember that while he may have strong convictions pro or con the abduction actually having occurred, it is not within either his capability or expertise to make such a judgement with total certainty. Furthermore, as the clinical psychologist who evaluated the nine abductees pointed out in her addendum, the sophistication of the psychotherapies has not advanced to the point at which this determination can be made on the basis of currently available information (21), although the treatment of post traumatic symptomology is currently understood. Hence, it is important for the therapist to retain the same non-judgemental and helpful stance necessary to the successful treatment of any other traumatic insult. When a therapist labels material as either unacceptable or insane, the burden of the patient is increased. If the therapist is reacting out of prejudices which reflect his own closely-held beliefs rather than his complete certainty, he unfairly increases the distress of the patient. SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS: Although it has long been the "common wisdom" of both the professional and lay communities that anyone claiming to be the victim of abduction by UFO occupants must be seriously disturbed, thoroughly deluded or a liar, careful examination of both the reports and their reports calls this assumption into question. Clinical and psychometric investigation of abductees reveals four areas of discrepancy between the expected data and the observable phenomena and suggests further investigation. These discrepant areas are: 1. ABSENCE OF PSYCHOPATHOLOGY An unexpected absence of severe psychopathology coupled with the high level of functioning found in many abductees is a perplexing and surprising finding. Psychometric evaluation of nine abductees revealed a notable heterogeneity of psychological and psychometric characteristics. The major area of homogeneity was in the absence of significant psychopathology. Rather than consulting a subset of the severely disturbed and psychotic population, there is clinical evidence that at least some abductees are high functioning, healthy individuals. This interesting discrepancy requires further investigation. 2. CONCORDANCE OF REPORTS Highly dissimilar people produce strikingly similar accounts of abductions by UFO occupants. The basic scenarios are highly concordant in detail and events. This is surprising in light of the widely divergent cultural, socio-economic, educational, occupational, intellectual and emotional status of abductees. Further, the scenarios themselves do not seem to show the same layering of affect and symbolic richness present in other fantasy endowed material. Instead, symbolic and conceptual complexity centers around the meaning of the experience for the individual, not around the shape, form, activity, intent, etc., of the aliens and their environment. This is in stark contrast to the expected complexity and diversity of thematic and symbolic elaboration found in our fantasy material. 3. RESISTANCE TO SUGGESTION UNDER HYPNOSIS Abduction scenario concordance is frequently attributed to the introduction of material into the suggestible mind of a hypnotized patient. Examination of abduction reports indicates that a significant percentage of these reports emerge into conscious awareness prior to the use of hypnosis or other techniques employed to stimulate recall. Furthermore abductees resist being lead or diverted during hypnosis and regularly insist on correcting the hypnotist so that their report remains accurate according to their own perceptions. 4. PTSD IN THE ABSENCE OF TRAUMA Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) has not been previously reported in patients experiencing overwhelming stress predicted only in internally generated states such as psychotic delusional systems or phobias. But patients reporting abduction frequently show classic signs and symptoms of PTSD. Like other kinds of PTSD it is subject to clinical intervention which frequently leads to substantial clinical improvement. But in order for this improvement to occur, the patient must be treated for the PTSD he exhibits rather than the psychotic state he is presumed to display by virtue of his abduction report. If the abduction scenarios represent only a fantasy state, then it is worth investigating why (and how) this particular highly concordant and deeply disturbing fantasy is involved in the pathogenesis of a condition otherwise seen only following externally induced trauma. Further, if this is found to be the case, the nature of PTSD itself should be re-examined in light of this finding. Alternatively, it may be that the trauma is, in fact, an external one which has taken place and the post traumatic state represents an expected response on the part of a traumatized patient. It is not within the area of expertise of the clinician to make an accurate determination about the objective validity of UFO abduction events. But it is certainly within his purview to assist the patient in regaining a sense of appropriate mastery, anxiety reduction and the alleviation of the clinical symptomalogy as efficiently and effectively as possible. This is best accomplished through an assessment the patient's *actual* state of psycho-dynamic organization, not his *presumed* state. In other words, in order to make the diagnosis of a psychotic or delusional state, findings other than the presence of a belief in UFO abduction must be present. In the absence of other indications of severe psychopathology, it is inappropriate to treat the patient as if he were afflicted with such psychopathology. It lies outside the realm of clinical expertise to determine with absolute certainty whether or not a UFO abduction has indeed taken place. Patients should not be viewed as demonstrating prima facie evidence of pervasive psychotic dysfunction because of the abduction material alone nor should they be hospitalized or treated with anti-psychotic medication based solely on the presence of UFO abduction scenarios. Instead, they should be assessed on the basis of their overall psychologic state. Unless otherwise indicated, treatment should be focused on the PTSD symptomatology and its repair. The areas of discrepancy which arise from the examination of UFO abductees between the expected clinical finding and the observed ones highlight interesting questions which require further investigation into the nature and impact of fantasy on psycho-dynamic states and symptom formation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (1)Westrum, R., Social Intelligence About Hidden Events, Knowledge:Creation, Diffusion, Utilization, Vol 3 No 3, March 1982, p.382 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (2)Hopkins, B. Missing Time: A Documented Study of UFO Abductions. New York, Richard Marek 1981. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (3)Slater, E., Ph.D. "Conclusions on Nine Psychologicals" in Final Report on the Psychological Testing of UFO Abductees" Mt Ranier, MD, 1985 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (4)Slater, E., Ph.D. Addendum to "Conclusions on Nine Psychological" in Final Report on the Psychological Testing of UFO "Abductees", op.cit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (5)Creighton, G. "The Amazing Case of Antonio Villas Boas" in Rogo, D>S>, ed., Alien Abductions. New York, New American Library, pp. 51-83, 1980. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (6)Hopkins,B. Missing Time: A Documented Study of UFO Abductions. op.cit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (7)Druffel,A. "Harrison Bailey and the 'Flying Saucer Disease'" in Rogo, S.D., ed., op.cit. pp. 122-137 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (8)Strieber, W. Communion. New York, Avon, 1987 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (9)Fowler, R. The Andreasson Affair. New York, Bantam Books, 1979 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (10)Fuller, J. The Interrupted Journey. New York, Dell, 1966 --------------------------------------- (11)Hopkins, B. Intruders: The Incredible Visitation at Copley Woods. New York, Random House, 1987 -------------------------------------- (12)Hopkins, B. Personal communications with the author about the more than 200 abductees whom Mr. Hopkins has investigated both with and without the use of hypnosis. --------------------------------------- (13)Westrum, R. personal communication with the author. --------------------------------------- (14)Hopkins, B. personal communication with the author. --------------------------------------- (15)Hopkins, B. "The Investigation of UFO Reports" in The Spectrum of UFO Research. Proceedings of the Second CUFOS Conference (September 25-27, 1981), Hynek, M. ed., pp 171-2, Chicago, J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies, 1988. --------------------------------------- (16)Kardiner, A., The Traumatic Neuroses of War. New York, P. Hoeber, 1941 --------------------------------------- (17)van Der Kolk, B.A., Psychological Trauma. Washington, DC, American Psychiatric Press, 1987 --------------------------------------- (18)Horowitz,M.J., Stress Response Syndromes. New York, Jason Aronson,1976 --------------------------------------- (19)van Der Kolk, op.cit. --------------------------------------- (20)American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 3rd ed. Washington, DC, American Psychiatric Association, 1980 --------------------------------------- (21)Slater, op.cit. --------------------------------------- EOF -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Article: 4826 of alt.conspiracy Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: INFO: Roswell Witness Linkage Keywords: Roswell UFO USAF Coverup "Weather Balloon" Message-ID: <1991Apr10.021939.24277@bilver.uucp> Date: 10 Apr 91 02:19:39 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 448 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:481 alt.conspiracy:4826 This is an article that was posted on Paranet not long ago and germane to the infamous Roswell case a number of years ago. ----------Begin included text------------------------------ Message #4515 - INFO.PARANET Date : 17-Dec-90 2:11 From : Michael Corbin To : All Subject : Roswell Witness Surfaces Here is an article that was contributed by Sandy Barbre regarding an article which appeared in a Springfield, MO newspaper on December 9, 1990. ============================================================ CONTRIBUTED BY: Sandy Barbre December 17, 1990 ============================================================ The following was taken from a newspaper from Springfield, Missouri, dated Sunday, December 9th, 1990. The name of the newspaper I think, is the NEWS-LEADER and article is in the section called Ozarks Accent. -+-------------- TITLED: NOTED EXPERT FINDS ACCOUNT CONVINCING. BY: Mike O'Brien What sets Gerald Anderson apart from the thousands of other American's, including scores of Ozarkers, who say they've seen UFO's or even insist they've been kidnapped by creatures from outer space? Why are Gerald Anderson's childhood recollections stirring international interest among UFO researchers whose reputations have been built on healthy skepticism and willingness to debunk hoaxes? Because of little things he has to say and how he says them. Stanton Friedman, a nuclear physicist who has lectured on more than 600 college campuses about UFOs, describes Anderson as "a really significant, potentially the most important" witness to what both men believe was the aftermath of one of two space craft crashes in New Mexico in mid-summer 1947. Friedman is co-authoring a book based upon several years of painstaking investigation into the haunting mystery. He was startled, upon meeting Anderson for the first time only a few months ago, to hear the Springfieldian echo details of the yet to be published research. "There's no way he could know some of these things unless he had been there at the time," Friedman believes. Example: only days before first talking with Anderson, Friedman coaxed a heretofore reluctant New Mexico mortician into recounting a run-in he'd had in 1947 with an especially unpleasant red-headed captain who was heading up a team recovering bodies from a hush-hush aircraft crash. Anderson, too, spoke of a red-headed captain with a mean disposition. Friedman says the descriptions of the ornery officer provided by the two match precisely, although Anderson and the mortician never have met. In sketches of the desert crash scene drawn by Anderson in Springfield following a hypnosis, a lonely windmill appears in the distance. When Friedman later arranged for Anderson to return to New Mexico to pinpoint the long-ago crash site, no such windmill could be see on the horizon-- until, almost by accident, the windmill wa spotted behind tress that had grown up during the 43 years since Anderson was last there. "I got shivers over that one," says John Carpenter, who has extensively debriefed Anderson over the past 4 months and went along on Anderson's return trip to New Mexico in October. Carpenter holds degrees in psychology and psychiatric social work from DePauw and Washington universities and trained in clinical hypnosis at the Menninger Institute. He's in his 12th year of work at a psychiatric hospital facility in Springfield. "When Gerald tells his story, it's not just a story -- it's his life he's telling you, intermixed with his feelings and his beliefs and all that is Gerald," Carpenter says. "When someone is spinning a hoax or tale, they only give you enough to raise your curiosity. Not Gerald. He gives you everything, in detail, much more than you ask him for. He'd be setting himself up to be found out if it wasn't true. He's so confident, he goes so much further than a hoaxer would ever dare." Carpenter puts great stock in Anderson's recountings under hypnosis. "It's what he didn't say that was significant." Carpenter says, explaining that despite clever prodding, Anderson never committed a hoaxer's mistake of "recalling" something that shouldn't be a part of his own memory. "And when he's under hypnosis, all the bigger, adult words drop out when he describes events from his childhood," Carpenter found. "He relates what he was in child-like terms." Carpenter also detected "genuine amazement" when Anderson heard what had been dredged from his subconscious memory under hypnosis. "The look on his face was priceless when he realized he'd produced details he'd forgotten on a conscious level so long ago." Most subtle but perhaps most telling, in Carpenter's view, was Anderson's reaction to being accepted as a viable witness to an extraordinary encounter with a spacecraft and creatures from beyond Earth. "He was so grateful at being taken seriously. You could see the relief and release after all those years, and the great hope that other people would take him seriously too, once and for all." Ironically, Friedman points to Gallup Poll results indicating that 60 percent of Americans who have college degrees say they believe UFOs are real. With such a receptive constituency, why would government officials persist in what Friedman calls the "Cosmic Watergate" -- the cover-up and denial of the New Mexico crashes? Perhaps, some speculate, because it would be too embarrassing now to admit that some supposedly made-in-USA technologies actually were plagiarized from confiscated spacecraft. Friedman emphasizes that he's not as interested in uncovering past misdeeds as he is in encouraging future progress. "I believe we should have an 'Earthling" orientation rather than nationalistic orientation. The easiest way to demonstrate the wisdom of this is to prove that life forms from other planets are coming here. If we can do that, then everyone will be forced to look at our world differently, as a part of a galactic neighborhood." -+-----end. The second part of the Springfield newspaper, dated December 9th, 1990 is as follows: Titled: Fact or Fantasy? Springfieldian seeks validation of UFO encounter 43 years ago. Written by: Mike O'Brien ALSO NOTE: the actual newspaper article shows a scene of the UFO crash drawn by Gerald Anderson and also a sketch of a creature he believes was a visitor from another galaxy. -+-------------begin story-------------- To a 5-year-old kid from Indianapolis, the mountains and mesas and vast scrubland surrounding Albuquerque seemed an alien world. "I was in awe" recalls Gerald Anderson of his arrival in New Mexico with his family in July 1947. "I was in the wild frontier. There were real, live Indians out there." Then says Anderson, on his second day in the Southwest he bumped into real,live creatures from a truly alien world. There were four -- two dead, on dying, one apparently uninjured. The creatures were about 4 feet tall, with heads disproportionately large for their bodies by human measure and almond-shaped, coal black eyes. They huddled in the shadow of 50-ft-diameter silver disk - a "flying saucer" that had crashed into a low hillside on the rim of what locals call the Plains of San Augustin. Anderson, a former police chief at Rockaway Beach and Taney County deputy sheriff who now works as a security officer in Springfield, is adamant about events on the hot midsummer day so long ago. "I saw them. I even touched one of the creatures. I put my hand on their ship. And I wasn't alone - my dad, my uncle, my brother and my cousin all saw the same things. And so did a lot of other people. But they aren't talking. Anderson is talking, publicly, after 43 years of silence. Among those listening most intently are some of the foremost researchers into unidentified flying object (UFO phenomena. These experts say Gerald Anderson appears to be an important link in a frustratingly fragmented chain of evidence concerning the most famous - or infamous - chapter in UFO annals: the so called "Roswell Incident." No one denies that "something" happened in July 1947 in central New Mexico, cradle of U.S. nuclear and rocket technology. However, military authorities insist reports of strange craft in the sky and bizarre wreckage on the ground were traced at the time to an errant weather balloon and other manmade or natural circumstance. Nonetheless, over the years, persistent whispered rumors grew into published articles and books, even movies, which fanned speculation that what actually occurred was a visit by creatures from another planet - an intergalactic expedition that turned to tragedy on the high desert and then into a massive cover-up in the highest circles of the U.S. government. Anderson says he was unaware of ongoing fascination and controversy over the strange episode from his childhood until one evening this past January when he was flipping through channels on his television set and stumbled across the popular program "Unsolved Mysteries." "I wasn't looking for any unsolved mysteries - I have enough mysteries in my life that are unsolved, and I don't need any more," Anderson jokes. He is a burly, barrel-chested man standing 6-4 and carrying a muscular 250-plus pounds, with reddish hair and a ruddy complexion creased from easy laughter. "But, bingo! On comes this story, and everything was wrong," Anderson recalls of the TV show. On sudden impulse, he dialed an 800 phone number that flashed onto the screen. "I guess I figured that if people were still interested in this thing, they might as well get it straight" is the only explanation he can muster for speaking up after years of keeping mostly mum on the matter. "These people don't know what they're talking about," Anderson told the operator on the other end of the long-distance line. "The shape of the craft is totally wrong. 'And how do you know that, sir?" she asked. ' I saw it, I was there,' I told her. "Whoa!" she said. "Thee are some people who will want to talk to you...'" Anderson's phone soon was ringing with calls from UFO researchers around the country. One in particular, Stanton Friedman, a nuclear physicist and popular lecturer who had advised the "Unsolved Mysteries" producers, was struck by correlations between Anderson's recollections and obscure details Friedman uncovered while sleuthing for a book to be published next year. Friedman, who lives in Canada, contacted John Carpenter, a Springfield professional therapist who in his spare time serves as a director of investigations for the local chapter of Mutual UFO Network, a nationwide organization of UFO researchers. At Friedman's request, Carpenter conducted extensive in person interviews of Anderson, including sessions under hypnosis. The results excited Friedman. "Powerful stuff!" he exclaimed upon hearing interview tapes. Friedman arranged airline tickets for Anderson and Carpenter to join him in New Mexico to pinpoint the crash site. Anderson says the flight was his first return to New Mexico in more than a quarter-century. After pointing the pilot of a chartered helicopter to a spot in the desert 75 air miles southwest of Albuquerque, Anderson gazed at a hillside, strewn with boulders the size of Volkswagens and dotted with a few gnarled pinion trees, that he says he saw in the summer of 1947..... A NEW HOME The Anderson family arrived in Albuquerque from Indiana on July 4, 1947. they took up temporary residence at the home of one of Gerald's uncles, Guy Anderson. Gerald's father, Glen, was about to take a job as a master machinist involved in nuclear weapons design at the super-secret Sandia base on the outskirts of town. The next day, another uncle, Ted, struck up a conversation with Gerald's older brother Glen Jr., who was on leave from the Marine Corps. Glen Jr. was a rockhound, and his uncle piqued the young Marine's enthusiasm with talks of gorgeous stones just waiting to be collected in the desert. " Ted told my brother, ' I know where there's plenty of moss agate.' So we all piled into a 1940 Plymouth - Uncle Ted, my cousin Victor (Ted's 8 year old son), my brother, Glen, my dad and myself. We went out into this area where the moss agate was supposed to be - followed two ruts into the desert, bounced along out there for a while, and ended up on top of a ridgeline. We parked the car and started to walk down an arroyo (gully) and dry creek bed and out onto the plains. A STRANGE DISCOVERY "But we came around a corner and right there in front of us stuck into the side of this hill, was a silver disc. There were some remarks like"There's a crash up here! Something's crashed up here! And then someone saying 'That's a goddamn spaceship!" "We all went up there to it. There were three creatures, three bodies, lying on the ground underneath this thing in the shade. Two weren't moving and the third one obviously was having trouble breathing, like when you have broken ribs. There was a fourth one next to it, sitting there on the ground. There wasn't a thing wrong with it, and it apparently had been giving first aid to the others. Anderson animatedly acts out the fourth creature's reaction when the family members approached. "It recoiled in fear, like it thought we were going to attack it," anderson recounts, covering his face with crossed arms. The adults tried to repeatedly to communicate with the frightened creature, Anderson says, but there was no audible response to greetings spoken in English and Spanish. A few minutes after the Anderson clan happened upon the bizarre scene, six other people arrived - five college students and their teacher. They'd been working on an archaeological dig around cliff dwellings a few miles away and had decided to hike over after seeing what they thought was a firey meteor crashing the night before. The professor, a Dr. Buskirk, tried several foreign languages in unsuccessful attempts to coax a verbal response from the creature, Anderson says. The sun had climbed to a midday peak by this time and recalls anderson, "to a kid from Indiana, it was hot brother, let me tell you." He chugged a chocolate flavored soft drink an hour earlier and the sweet soda pop was churning uncomfortably in his stomach. so he sought shelter in the shadow of the spacecraft. "It was 115 (degrees) out there that day. But around the craft, when you got close to it, it was cold. When you touched the metal, it felt just like it came out of a freezer." SOMETHING WASN'T RIGHT Anderson also touched one of the creatures lying motionless on the ground - and it, too was cold. In his child's mind, he had thought the figures looked like dolls. But when he felt the cold skin, " I knew something wasn't quite right. Yuck!. Anderson says he ran to the crest of a nearby knoll to take stock. A pickup truck arrived on the ridge, and a fellow whom researchers believe was a civil engineer named Barney Barnett joined the curious audience. "I remember thinking he looked like Harry Truman. In 1947, every kid knew what Harry Truman looked like," Anderson says. After a few minutes, Anderson summoned the courage to again creep close to the strange saucer. It was then more chilling than the surface of the craft of the skin of the corpse; The upright creature turned and looked right at me and it was like he was inside my head - as if he was doing my thinking, as if his thoughts were in my head." Anderson remembers a mental sensation of falling and tumbling end-over-end. "I felt that thing's fear, felt its depression, felt its loneliness. I relived the crash. I know the terror it went through. That one look told me everything that quickly," he says with a snap of his fingers. Other things began happening quickly about this time, Anderson says. A contingent of armed soldiers suddenly appeared. The creature, which had calmed down after its initial fright, "went crazy" at the sight of the soldiers. Thinking back on the creature's plight today brings on the "awfulest, horrible feeling," Anderson says. "His situation was hopeless. He knew it. He'd just lived through a nightmare that most of us wouldn't be able to psychologically stand. He'd watched two of his crew, his friends or maybe even his family die. He's watching another one die. He knows there's no chance of rescue, because the military is here and his people aren't going to be able to get him. "God only knows how far away from home he was, and he knew he was never going to see - if they have loved ones - his loved ones again. He was totally alone on a hostile planet, and the only people who where showing him kindness were being run off by the military at weapon-point. "As a kid, I was aware of what being afraid of the dark was like., and the feeling I got from him was that feeling multiplied a million times. It was scary. It was terrifying. SOLDIERS ON THE SCENE Anderson says he lost sight of the creature as the soldiers swarmed over the site. The civilians were brusquely shoved from the craft. Anderson remembers shouts and threats. His uncle Ted threw a punch at one of the GIs. "Things got very tense, very dangerous," Anderson says. "The soldiers ushered us out of there very unceremoniously. Their attitude, to describe it at best, was uncivilized." Anderson has an especially vivid memory of a tough-talking red haired Army captain and an equally gruff black sergeant. "They told my dad and my uncle, who also worked at Sandia, that if they were ever to divulge anything about this - it was a secret military aircraft, they said - then us kids would be taken away and they'd never see us again." It seems an outrageous threat in hindsight, Anderson concedes. But at the time, he reminds, "These people had machine guns and you listened to what they said." Another recollection strikes Anderson as odd today: The soldiers didn't appear surprised about the otherwordly craft and creatures. they didn't gawk, slack-jawed and awe-struck as the Andersons had done. "The soldiers weren't saying, 'Gee, look at that!" They were very cognizant of what they were looking at. They knew what it was. And it soon became apparent, Anderson says, that the Army knew what it wanted to do with the find. "there was a battalion of military, a real invasion force, when we got back up on the hilltop. There were trucks, there were airplanes - they had the road blocked off and they were landing on it. They had radio communications gear set up. There were ambulances, and more soldiers with weapons." In the days that followed, all of New Mexico was abuzz with talk of strange lights in the sky, strange echos on radar, strange doings in the desert. On July 7, new reports told of remnants of an unidentified aircraft found by a rancher near the town of Roswell, N.M. about 150 miles east of the hillside where the Anderson's stumbled upon the saucer. Although several witnesses said it was like nothing they'd ever seen before, military officers insisted the metallic pieces came from an ordinary weather balloon..... A WEATHER BALLOON? Forty three years later, Anderson smiles wryly when reminded of the Army's pronouncement, "A lot of people wondered why, if it was just a weather balloon, the military put the pieces under armed guard and flew them in a B-29 to Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio," he observes. Anderson believes the wreckage scattered near Roswell and the barely damaged saucer on the Plains of San Augustin are connected. "There was a gash in the side of the disc we saw, like it had been crushed in," he says. "The contour of the craft would fit into that gash perfectly - like another one of these things had hit it. I think two of these discs had a mid-air collision. One exploded and feel in pieces near Roswell, and the other crash-landed where we found it. With all evidence confiscated and the military steadfastly sticking by the weather balloon explanation, the story faded from the news by July's end. And Gerald Anderson says he tucked away the memory as he grew into manhood. "I learned you just don't go up to the average person on the street and say, "Damn, know what I saw?" The guy will go, "Get away from me, fool! Are you crazy?" In later life, he didn't mention it even to his wife until a few years after their marriage. Anderson joined the Navy in the late 1950s and served a dozen years in posts around the globe. He lived for a few years in Colorado, working as a paramedic and working toward a college degree in microbiology. In 1979, he moved to Missouri to better raise his daughter away from what he terms the "druggy" atmosphere of Denver. In addition to his law enforcement posts, Anderson has worked for two southwest Missouri trucking firms as a driver and instructor. Anderson also has been active in the Episcopal Church. He recently was elected to the vestry at Ascension Episcopal in Springfield and is studying toward becoming a deacon. A gold crucifix - a cross complete with a figure of the martyred Christ affixed to it - suspended from a chain around Anderson's neck is testimony to his faith. NO CONFLICT IN BELIEFS Although he concedes his account might make some fellow churchgoers uncomfortable, Anderson sees no conflict between what he saw with his eyes and what he believes in his heart: "When you're talking about the concept of God, you have to be talking in the context of a universal situations, a deity that built the whole universe. And why should we assume that this speck of sand in the backwater of space would be the only place that an all-perfect, almighty God could create life?" In fact, Anderson says he "wouldn't be one bit surprised to find out that, wherever this creature came from, there they have a very strong concept of a supreme being. Because of my contact with the creature showed a high degree of civilized sophistication, gentleness, compassion - all of the things we hold as ideals." Of the five anderson men who ventured into the desert that day in 1947, only Gerald is still alive. Age, illness and accidents claimed the other four in recent years. But not only andersons were at the scene, Gerald says, and he hopes his decision to come forth, albeit belated, will encourage others to tell what they know and spur official revelations about the captured craft and creatures. "I want to see the government stand up and say, 'Look, we're not alone in the universe. Let's make a 'Star Trek' really happen. Let's do go out there and explore the universe. That may be our only salvation. Because with what's doing to this Earth, we're not going to make it much past the year 2000." -+-----end of story-------------- EOF -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Article: 4827 of alt.conspiracy Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: INFO:CHAPTER XIII - UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS Keywords: USAF Chapter in Training Textbook, long since censored. Message-ID: <1991Apr10.025020.24433@bilver.uucp> Date: 10 Apr 91 02:50:20 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 686 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:482 alt.conspiracy:4827 This is considered a *classic* among various UFO text files. Read and make up your own mind :-) -------Begin included text ----------------------------------- CUFON - UFO Information Service Seattle, Washington _______________________________________________________________ INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II - DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF Edited by: Major Donald G. Carpenter Co-Editor: Lt. Colonel Edward R. Therkelson CHAPTER XIII UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO)? Well, according to United States Air Force Regulation 80-17 (dated 19 September 1966), a UFO is "Any" aerial Phenomenon or object which is unknown or appears to be out of the ordinary to the observer." This is a very broad definition which applies equally well to one individual seeing his first noctilucent cloud at twilight as it does to another individual seeing his first helicopter. However, at present most people consider the term UFO to mean an object which behaves in a strange or erratic manner while moving through the Earth's atmosphere. That strange phenomenon has evoked strong emotions and great curiosity among a large segment of our world's population. The average person is interested because he loves a mystery, the professional military man is involved because of the possible threat to national security, and some scientists are interested because of the basic curiosity that led them into becoming researchers. The literature on UFO's is so vast, and the stories so many and varied, that we can only present a sketchy outline of the subject in this chapter. That outline includes description classifications, operational domains (temporal and spatial), some theories as to the nature of the UFO phenomenon, human reactions, attempts to attack the problem scientifically, and some tentative conclusions. If you wish to read further in this area, the references provide an excellent starting point. 33.1 DESCRIPTIONS One of the greatest problems you encounter when attempting to catalog UFO sightings, is selection of a system for cataloging. No effective system has yet been devised, although a number of different systems have been proposed. The net result is that almost all UFO data are either treated in the form of individual cases, or in the forms of inadequate classification systems. However, these systems do tend to have some common factors, and a collection of these factors is as follows: a. Size b. Shape (disc, ellipse, football, etc.) c. Luminosity d. Color e. Number of UFO's ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ( Page Two ) CUFON - UFO Information Service Seattle, Washington ________________________________________________________________ Behavior: a. Location (altitude, direction, etc.) b. Patterns of paths (straight line, climbing, zig-zagging, etc.) c. Flight Characteristics (wobbling, fluttering, etc.) d. Periodicity of sightings e. Time duration f. Curiosity or inquisitiveness g. Avoidance h. Hostility Associated Effects: a. Electro-Magnetic (compass, radio, ignition systems, etc.) b. Radiation (burns, induced radioactivity, etc.) c. Ground disturbance (dust stirred up, leaves moved, standing wave d. Sound (none, hissing, humming, roaring, thunderclaps, etc.) e. Vibration (weak, strong, slow, fast) f. Smell (ozone or other odor) g. Flame (how much, where, when, color) h. Smoke or cloud (amount, color, persistence) i. Debris (type, amount, color, persistence) j. Inhibition of voluntary movement by observers k. Sighting of "creatures" or "beings" After Effects: a. Burned areas or animals b. Depressed or flattened areas c. Dead or missing animals d. Mentally disturbed people e. Missing items We make no attempt here to present available data in terms of the foregoing descriptors. ( Page Three ) CUFON - UFO Information Service Seattle, Washington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33.2 OPERATIONAL DOMAINS - TEMPORAL AND SPATIAL What we will do here is to present evidence that UFO's are a global phenomenon which may have persisted for many thousands of years. During this discussion, please remember that the more ancient the reports the less sophisticated the observer. Not only were the ancient observers lacking the terminology necessary to describe complex devices (such as present day helicopters) but they were also lacking the concepts necessary to understand the true nature of such things as television, spaceships, rockets, nuclear weapons and radiation effects. To some, the most advanced technological concept was a war chariot with knife blades attached to the wheels. By the same token, the very lack of accurate terminology and descriptions leaves the more ancient reports open to considerable misinterpretation, and it may well be that present evaluations of individual reports are completely wrong. Nevertheless, let us start with an intriguing story in one of the oldest chronicles of India...the Book of Dzyan. The book is a group of "story-teller" legends which were finally gathered in manuscript form when man learned to write. One of the stories is of a small group of beings who supposedly came to Earth many thousands of years ago in a metal craft which orbited the Earth several times before landing. As told in the Book "These beings lived to themselves and were revered by the humans among whom they had settled. But eventually differences arose among them and they divided their numbers, several of the men and women and some children settled in another city, where they were promptly installed as rulers by the awe-stricken populace. "Separation did not bring peace to these people and finally their anger reached a point where the ruler of the original city took with him a small number of his warriors and they rose into the air in a huge shining metal vessel. While they were many leagues from the city of their enemies, they launched a great shining lance that rode on a beam of light. It burst apart in the city of their enemies with a great ball of flame that shot up to the heavens, almost to the stars. All those who were in the city were horribly burned and even those who were not in the city - but nearby - were burned also. Those who looked upon the lance and the ball of fire were blinded forever afterward. Those who entered the city on foot became ill and died. Even the dust of the city was poisoned, as were the rivers that flowed through it. Men dared not go near it, and it gradually crumbled into dust and was forgotten by men." "When the leader saw what he had done to his own people he retired to his palace and refused to see anyone. Then he gathered about him those warriors who remained, and their wives and children, and they entered their vessels and rose one by one into the sky and sailed away. Nor did they return." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Continued - ( Page Four ) CUFON - UFO Information Service Seattle, Washington ________________________________________________________________ Could this foregoing legend really be an account of an extraterrestrial colonization, complete with guided missle, nuclear warhead and radiation effects? It is difficult to assess the validity of that explanation... just as it is difficult to explain why Greek, Roman and Nordic Mythology all discuss wars and contacts among their "Gods." (Even the Bible records conflict between the legions of God and Satan.) Could it be that each group recorded their parochial view of what was actually a global conflict among alien colonists or visitors? Or is it that man has led such a violent existence that he tends to expect conflict and violence among even his gods? Evidence of perhaps an even earlier possible contact was uncovered by Tschi Pen Lao of the University of Peking. He discovered astonishing carvings in granite on a mountain in Hunan Province and on an island in Lake Tungting. These carvings have been evaluated as 47,000 years old, and they show people with large trunks (breathing apparatus?...or "elephant" heads shown on human bodies? Remember, the Egyptians often represented their gods as animal heads on human bodies.) Only 8,000 years ago, rocks were sculpted in the Tassili plateau of Sahara, depicting what appeared to be human beings but with strange round heads (helmets? or "sun" heads on human bodies?) And even more recently, in the Bible, Genesis (6:4) tells of angels from the sky mating with women of Earth, who bore them children. Genesis 19:3 tells of Lot meeting two angels in the desert and his later feeding them at his house. The Bible also tells a rather unusual story of Ezekiel who witnessed what has been interpreted by some to have been a spacecraft or aircraft landing near the Chebar River in Chaldea (593 B.C.). Even the Irish have recorded strange visitations. In the Speculum Regali in Konungs Skuggsa (and other accounts of the era about 956 A.D.) are numerous stories of "demonships" in the skies. In one case a rope from one such ship became entangled with part of a church. A man from the ship climbed down the rope to free it, but was seized by the townspeople. The bishop made the people release the man, who climbed back to the ship, where the crew cut the rope and the ship rose and sailed out of sight. In all of his actions, the climbing man appeared as if he were swimming in water. Stories such as this makes one wonder if the legends of the "little people" of Ireland were based upon imagination alone. About the same time, in Lyons (France) three men and a women supposedly descended from an airship or spaceship and were captured by a mob. These foreigners admitted to being wizards, and were killed. (No mention is made of the methods employed to extract the admissions.) Many documented UFO sightings occurred throughout the Middle Ages, including an especially startling one of a UFO over London on 16 December 1742. However, we do not have room to include any more of the Middle Ages sightings. Instead, two "more-recent" sightings are contained in this section to bring us up to modern times. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Continued - ( Page Five ) CUFON - UFO Information Service Seattle, Washington ________________________________________________________________ In a sworn statement dated 21 April 1897, a prosperous and prominent farmer named Alexander Hamilton (Le Roy, Kansas, U.S.A.) told of an attack upon his cattle at about 10:30 p.m. the previous Monday. He, his son, and his tenant grabbed axes and ran some 700 feet from the house to the cow lot where a great cigar-shaped ship about 300 feet long floated some 30 feet above the cattle. It had a carriage underneath which was brightly lighted within (dirigible and gondola?) and which had numerous windows. Inside were six strange looking beings jabbering in a foreign language. These beings suddenly became aware of Hamilton and the others. They immediately turned a searchlight on the farmer, and also turned on some power which sped up a turbine wheel (about 30 ft diameter) located under the craft. The ship rose, taking with it a two-year old heifer which was roped about the neck by a cable of one-half inch thick, red material. The next day a neighbor, Link Thomas, found the animal's hide, legs and head in his field. He was mystified at how the remains got to where they were because of the lack of tracks in the soft soil. Alexander Hamilton's sworn statement was accompanied by an affidavit as to his veracity. The affidavit was signed by ten of the local leading citizens. On the evening of 4 November 1957 at Fort Itaipu, Brazil, two sentries noted a "new star" in the sky. The "star" grew in size and within seconds stopped over the fort. It drifted slowly downward, was as large as a big aircraft, and was surround by a strong orange glow. A distinct humming sound was heard, and then the heat struck. One sentry collapsed almost immediately, the other managed to slide to shelter under the heavy cannons where his loud cries awoke the garrison. While the troops were scrambling towards their battle stations, complete electrical failure occurred. There was panic until the lights came back on but a number of men still managed to see an orange glow leaving the area at high speed. Both sentries were found badly burned...one unconscious and the other incoherent, suffering from deep shock. Thus, UFO sightings not only appear to extend back to 47,000 years through time but also are global in nature. One has the feeling that this phenomenon deserves some sort of valid scientific investigation, even if it is a low level effort. 33.3 SOME THEORIES AS TO THE NATURE OF THE UFO PHENOMENON There are very few cohesive theories as to the nature of UFO's. Those theories that have been advanced can be collected in five groups: a. Mysticism b. Hoaxes, and rantings due to unstable personalities c. Secret Weapons d. Natural Phenomena e. Alien visitors ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Continued - PAGE SIX ________________________________________________________________ Mysticism It is believed by some cults that the mission of UFO's and their crews is a spiritual one, and that all materialistic efforts to determine the UFO's nature are doomed to failure. Hoaxes and Rantings due to Unstable Personalities Some have suggested that all UFO reports were the results of pranks and hoaxes, or were made by people with unstable personalities. This attitude was particularly prevalent during the time period when the Air Force investigation was being operated under the code name of Project Grudge. A few airlines even went as far as to ground every pilot who reported seeing a "flying saucer." The only way for the pilot to regain flight status was to undergo a psychiatric examination. There was a noticeable decline in pilot reports during this time interval, and a few interpreted this decline to prove that UFO's were either hoaxes or the result of unstable personalities. It is of interest that NICAP (The National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) even today still receives reports from commercial pilots who neglect to notify either the Air Force or their own airline. There are a number of cases which indicate that not all reports fall in the hoax category. We will examine one such case now. It is the Socorro, New Mexico sighting made by police Sergeant Lonnie Zamora. Sergeant Zamora was patrolling the streets of Socorro on 24 April 1964 when he saw a shiny object drift down into an area of gullies on the edge of town. He also heard a loud roaring noise which sounded as if an old dynamite shed located out that way had exploded. He immediately radioed police headquarters, and drove out toward the shed. Zamora was forced to stop about 150 yards away from a deep gully in which there appeared to be an overturned car. He radioed that he was investigating a possible wreck, and then worked his car up onto the mesa and over toward the edge of the gully. He parked short, and when he walked the final few feet to the edge, he was amazed to see that it was not a car but instead was a weird eggshaped object about fifteen feet long, white in color and resting on short, metal legs. Beside it, unaware of his presence were two humanoids dressed in silvery coveralls. They seemed to be working on a portion of the underside of the object. Zamora was still standing there, surprised, when they suddenly noticed him and dove out of sight around the object. Zamora also headed the other way, back toward his car. He glanced back at the object just as a bright blue flame shot down from the underside. Within seconds the eggshaped thing rose out of the gully with "an ear- -splitting roar." The object was out of sight over the nearby mountains almost immediately, and Sergeant Zamora was moving the opposite direction almost as fast when he met Sergeant Sam Chavez who was responding to Zamora' s earlier radio calls. Together they investigated the gully and found the bushes charred and still smoking where the blue flame had jetted down on them. About the charred area were four deep marks where the metal legs had been. Each mark was three and one half inches deep, and was circular in shape. The sand in the gully was very hard packed so no sign of the humanoids' footprints could be found. An official investigation was launched that same day, and all data obtained supported the stories of Zamora and Chavez. It is rather difficult to label this episode a hoax, and it is also doubtful that both Zamora and Chavez shared portions of the same hallucination. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PAGE SEVEN ________________________________________________________________ Secret Weapons A few individuals have proposed that UFO's are actually advanced weapon systems, and that their natures must not be revealed. Very few people accept this as a credible suggestion. Natural Phenomena It has also been suggested that at least some, and possibly all, of the UFO cases were just mis-interpreted manifestations of natural phenomena. Undoubtedly this suggestion has some merit. People have reported, as UFO's, objects which were conclusively proven to be balloons (weather and skyhook), the planet Venus, man-made artificial satellites, normal aircraft, unusual cloud formations, and lights from ceilometers (equipment projecting light beams on cloud bases to determine the height of the aircraft visual ceiling) . It is also suspected that people have reported mirages, optical illusions, swamp gas and ball lightning (a poorly-understood discharge of electrical energy in a spheroidal or ellipsoidal shape...some charges have lasted for up to fifteen minutes but the ball is usually no bigger than a large orange. ) But it is difficult to tell a swamp dweller that the strange, fast-moving light he saw in the sky was swamp gas; and it is just as difficult to tell a farmer that a bright UFO in the sky is the same ball lightning that he has seen rolling along his fence wires in dry weather. Thus accidental mis-identification of what might well be natural phenomena breeds mistrust and disbelief; it leads to the hasty conclusion that the truth is deliberatly not being told. One last suggestion of interest has been made, that the UFO's were plasmoids from space...concentrated blobs of solar wind that succeeded in reaching the surface of the Earth. Somehow this last suggestion does not seem to be very plausible; perhaps because it ignores such things as penetration of Earth's magnetic field. Alien Visitors The most stimulating theory for us is that the UFO's are material objects which are either "Manned" or remote-controlled by beings who are alien to this planet. There is some evidence supporting this viewpoint. In addition to police Sergeant Lonnie Zamora's experience, let us consider the case of Barney and Betty Hill. On a trip through New England they lost two hours on the night of 19 September 1961 without even realizing it. However, after that night both Barney and Betty began developing psychological problems which eventually grew sufficienty severe that they submitted themselves to psychiatric examination and treatment. During the course of treatment hypnotherapy was used, and it yielded remarkably detailed and similar stories from both Barney and Betty. Essentially they had been hypnotically kidnapped, taken aboard a UFO, submitted to two-hour physicals, and released with posthypnotic suggestions to forget the entire incident. The evidence is rather strong that this is what the Hills, even in their subconscious, believe happened to them. And it is of particular importance that after the "posthypnotic block" was removed, both of the Hills ceased having their psychological problems. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- PAGE EIGHT ________________________________________________________________ The Hill's description of the aliens was similar to descriptions provided in other cases, but this particular type of alien appears to be in the minority. The most commonly described alien is about three and one- half feet tall, has a round head (helmet?), arms reaching to or below his knees, and is wearing a silvery space suit or coveralls. Other aliens appear to be essentially the same as Earthmen, while still others have particularily wide (wrap around) eyes and mouths with very thin lips. And there is a rare group reported as about four feet tall, weight of around 35 pounds, and covered with thick hair or fur (clothing?). Members of this last group are described as being extremely strong. If such beings are visiting Earth, two questions arise: 1) why haven't there been any accidents which have revealed their presence, and 2) why haven't they attempted to contact us officially? The answer to the first question may exist partially in Sergeant Lonnie Zamora's experience, and may exist partially in the Tunguska meteor discussed in Chapter XXIX. In that chapter it was suggested that the Tonguska meteor was actually a comet which exploded in the atmosphere, the ices melted and the dust spread out. Hence, no debris! However, it has also been suggested that the Tunguska meteor was actually an alien spacecraft that entered the atmosphere to rapidly, suffered mechanical failure, and lost its power supply and/or weapons in a nuclear explosion. While that hypothesis may seem far fetched, sample of tree rings from around the world reveal that, immediately after the Tunguska meteor explosion, the level of radioactivity in the world rose sharply for a short period of time. It is difficult to find a natural explanation for that increase in radioactivity, although the suggestion has been advanced that enough of the meteor's great kinetic energy was converted into heat (by atmospheric friction) that a fusion reaction occurred. This still leaves us with no answer to the second question: why no contact? That question is very easy to answer in several ways: 1) we may be the object of intensive sociological and psychological study. In such studies you usually avoid disturbing the test subjects' environment; 2) you do not "contact" a colony of ants, and humans may seem that way to any aliens (variation: a zoo is fun to visit, but you don't "contact" the lizards); 3) such contact may have already taken place secretly; and 4) such contact may have already taken place on a different plane of awareness and we are not yet sensitive to communications on such a plane. These are just a few of the reasons. You may add to the list as you desire. 33.4 HUMAN FEAR AND HOSTILITY Besides the foregoing reasons, contacting humans is downright dangerous. Think about that for a moment! On the microscopic level our bodies reject and fight (through production antibodies) any alien material; this process helps us fight off disease but it also sometimes results in allergic reactions to innocuous materials. On the macroscopic (psychological and sociological) level we are antagonistic to beings that are "different". For proof of that, just watch how an odd child is treated by other children, or how a minority group is socially deprived, or how the Arabs feel about the Israelis (Chinese vs Japanese, Turks vs Greeks, etc.) In case you are hesitant to extend that concept to the treatment of aliens let me point out that in very ancient times, possible extraterrestrials may have been treated as Gods but in the last two thousand years, the evidence is that any possible aliens have been ripped apart by mobs, shot and shot at, physically assaulted, and in general treated with fear and aggression. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- PAGE NINE ________________________________________________________________ In Ireland about 1,000 A.D., supposed airships were treated as "demon- ships." In Lyons, France, "admitted" space travellers were killed. More recently, on 24 July 1957 Russian anti-aircraft batteries on the Kouril Islands opened fire on UFO's. Although all Soviet anti-aircraft batteries on the Islands were in action, no hits were made. The UFO's were luminous and moved very fast. We too have fired on UFO's. About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude. The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time. It was definately saucer- shaped. As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away. When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer. He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance. This same basic situation may have happened on a more personal level. On Sunday evening 21 August 1955, eight adults and three children were on the Sutton Farm (one-half mile from Kelly, Kentucky) when, according to them, one of the children saw a brightly glowing UFO settle behind the barn, out of sight from where he stood. Other witnesses on nearby farms also saw the object. However, the Suttons dismissed it as a "shooting star," and did not investigate. Approximately thirty minutes later (at 8 p.m.), the family dogs began barking so two of the men went to the back door and looked out. Approximately 50 feet away and coming toward them was a creature wearing a glowing silvery suit. It was about three and one-half feet tall with a large round head and very long arms. It had large webbed hands which were equipped with claws. The two Suttons grabbed a twelve guage shotgun and a 22 caliber pistol, and fired at close range. They could hear the pellets and bullet ricochet as if off of metal. The creature was knocked down, but jumped up and scrambled away. The Suttons retreated into the house, turned off all inside lights, and turned on the porch-light. At that moment, one of the women who was peeking out of the dining room window discovered that a creature with some sort of helmet and wide slit eyes was peeking back at her. She screamed, the men rushed in and started shooting. The creature was knocked backwards but again scrambled away without apparent harm. More shooting occurred (a total of about 50 rounds) over the next 20 minutes and the creatures finally left (perhaps feeling unwelcome?) After about a two hour wait (for safety), the Suttons left too. By the time the police got there, the aliens were gone but the Suttons would not move back to the farm. They sold it and departed. This reported incident does bear out the contention though that humans are dangerous. At no time in the story did the supposed aliens shoot back, although one is left with the impression that the described creatures were having fun scaring humans. 33.5 ATTEMPTS AT SCIENTIFIC APPROACHES In any scientific endeavor, the first step is to aquire data, the second step to clasify the data, and the third step to form hypothesis. The hypothesis are tested by repeating the entire process, with each cycle resulting in an increase in understanding (we hope). The UFO phenomenon does not yield readily to this approach because the data taken so far exhibits both excessive variety and vagueness. The vagueness is caused in part by the lack of preparation of the observer...very few people leave their house knowing that they are going to see a UFO that evening. Photographs are overexposed or underexposed, and rarely in color. Hardly anyone carries around a radiation counter or magnetometer. And, in addition to this, there is a very high level of "noise" in the data. PAGE TEN ________________________________________________________________ The noise consists of mistaken reports of known natural phenomena, hoaxes, reports by unstable individuals and mistaken removal of data regarding possible unnatural or unknown natural phenomena (by overzealous individuals who are trying to eliminate all data due to known natural phenomena). In addition, those data, which do appear to be valid, exhibit an excessive amount of variety relative to the statistical samples which are available. This has led to very clumsy classification systems, which in turn provide quite unfertile ground for formulation of hypothesis. One hypothesis which looked promising for a time was that of ORTHOTENY (i.e., UFO sightings fall on "great circle" routes). At first, plots of sightings seemed to verify the concept of orthoteny but recent use of computers has revealed that even random numbers yield "great circle" plots as neatly as do UFO sightings. There is one solid advance that has been made though. Jacques and Janine Vallee have taken a particular type of UFO - namely those that are lower than tree-top level when sighted - and plotted the UFO's estimated diameter versus the estimated distance from the observer. The result yields an average diameter of 5 meters with a very characteristic drop for short viewing distances, and rise for long viewing distances. This behavior at the extremes of the curve is well known to astronomers and psychologists as the "moon illusion." The illusion only occurs when the object being viewed is a real, physical object. Because this implies that the observers have viewed a real object, it permits us to accept also their statement that these particular UFO's had a rotational axis of symmetry. Another, less solid, advance made by the Vallee's was their plotting of the total number of sightings per week versus the date. They did this for the time span from 1947 to 1962, and then attempted to match the peaks of the curve (every 2 years 2 months) to the times of Earth-Mars conjuction (every 2 years 1.4 months). The match was very good between 1950 and 1956 but was poor outside those limits. Also, the peaks were not only at the times of Earth-Mars conjunction but also roughly at the first harmonic (very loosely, every 13 months). This raises the question why should UFO's only visit Earth when Mars is in conjunction and when it is on the opposite side of the sun. Obviously, the conjunction periodicity of Mars is not the final answer. As it happens, there is an interesting possibility to consider. Suppose Jupiter's conjunctions were used; they are every 13.1 months. That would satisfy the observed periods nicely, except for every even data peak being of different magnitude from every odd data peak. Perhaps a combination of Martian, Jovian, and Saturnian (and even other planetary) conjunctions will be necessary to match the frequency plot... if it can be matched. Further data correlation is quite difficult. There are a large number of different saucer shapes but this may mean little. For example, look at the number of different types of aircraft which are in use in the U.S. Air Force alone. It is obvious that intensive scientific study is needed in this area; no such study has yet been undertaken at the necessary levels of intensity and support. One thing that must be guarded against in any such study is the trap of implicity assuming that our knowledge of Physics (or any other branch of science) is complete. An example of one such trap is selecting a group of physical laws which we now accept as valid, and assume that they will never be superceded. PAGE ELEVEN ________________________________________________________________ Five such laws might be: 1) Every action must have an opposite and equal reaction. 2) Every particle in the univers attracts every other particle with a force proportional to the product of the masses and inversely as the square of the distance. 3) Energy, mass and momentum are conserved. 4) No material body can have a speed as great as c, the speed of light in free space. 5) The maximum energy, E, which can be obtained from a body at rest is E=mc2, where m is the rest mass of the body. Laws numbered 1 and 3 seem fairly safe, but let us hesitate and take another look. Actually, law number 3 is only valid (now) from a relativisti c viewpoint; and for that matter so are laws 4 and 5. But relativity completely revised these physical concepts after 1915, before then Newtonian mechanics were supreme. We should also note that general relativity has not yet been verified. Thus we have the peculiar situation of five laws which appear to deny the possibility of intelligent alien control of UFO's, yet three of the laws are recent in concept and may not even be valid. Also, law number 2 has not yet been tested under conditions of large relativ e speeds or accelerations. We should not deny the possibility of alien control of UFO's on the basis of preconceived notions not established as related or relevant to the UFO's. 33.6 CONCLUSION From available information, the UFO phenomenon appears to have been global in nature for almost 50,000 years. The majority of known witnesses have been reliable people who have seen easily-explained natural phenomena, and there appears to be no overall positive correlation with population density. The entire phenomenon could be psychological in nature but that is quite doubtful. However, psychological factors probably do enter the data picture as "noise." The phenomenon could also be entirely due to known and unknown phenomena (with some psychological "noise" added in) but that too is questionable in view of some of the available data. This leaves us with the unpleasant possibility of alien visitors to our planet, or at least of alien controlled UFO's. However, the data are not well correlated, and what questionable data there are suggest the existence of at least three and maybe four different groups of aliens (possibly at different stages of development). This too is difficult to accept. It implies the existence of intelligent life on a majority of the planets in our solar system, or a surprisingly strong interest in Earth by members of other solar systems. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- PAGE TWELVE ________________________________________________________________ A solution to the UFO problem may be obtained by the long and diligent effort of a large group of well financed and competant scientists, unfortunately there is no evidence suggesting that such an effort is going to be made. However, even if such an effort were made, there is no guarantee of success because of the isolated and sporatic nature of the sightings. Also, there may be nothing to find, and that would mean a long search with no proff at the end. The best thing to do is to keep an open and skeptical mind, and not take an extreme position on any side of the question. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This document is available through the Ufo Info Service. For more information write to: CUFON C/O UFO INFORMATION SERVICE P.O. Box 832 MERCER ISLAND, WA 98040 - 0219 OR CALL (206) 721-5035 This is the original Air Force Document. Thank You NOTE: Although obviously well written and comphrensive in its treatment of the UFO phenomenon, it is the opinion of ParaNet Pi that this repute d U.S.A.F. Chapter is in fact a cleverly planted hoax, and did not appear in any Air Force Training Manual as claimed. However, we do not have any hard proof to support this assessment of its authenticity. -Tom Mickus 04/24/88 EOF -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Article: 4828 of alt.conspiracy Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: INFO: List of UFO Books Message-ID: <1991Apr10.030723.24502@bilver.uucp> Date: 10 Apr 91 03:07:23 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 628 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:483 alt.conspiracy:4828 The following is a good starting list of UFO reading material. I will post another list in a few days with more specifics. ----------Begin included text-------------------------------- UFOLOGY BOOKS (REVISION 2.0 332 books) -------------------------------------- The following is a collection of titles known to the author H. S. Stewart on the subject of UFO's. The list is alphabetic by author with the year of publication given if known. A "?" indicates that the exact date of publication is not known but that it is at least the date given. An "*" preceeding the title indicates that the author owns a copy of that book. A "#" preceeding the title indicates that the author of this list has read the book. If a book has been co-authored then only the first author listed on the cover is given. In fairness the author has not editted this list and therefore the books are not all of the same quality. HOWEVER since everone has an opininion the books whose author's name is preceeded by an "!" are considered by the writer to be must read items. If you wish to contact me you can do so via Tom Mickus's most excellent board Paranet Pi. Bill Adler * LETTERS TO THE AIR FORCE ON UFOS 1967 George Admaski * BEHIND THE FLYING SAUCER MYSTERY 1961 (FLYING SAUCERS FAREWELL) George Admaski MANY MANSIONS ?1961 George Admaski COSMIC PHILOSOPHY 1961 George Admaski * INSIDE THE FLYING SAUCERS 1955 (INSIDE THE SPACE SHIPS) George Admaski # FLYING SAUCERS HAVE LANDED 1953 George Admaski PIONEERS OF SPACE A TRIP TO THE 1949 MOON MARS AND VENUS Gordon W. Allen OVERLORDS OLYMPIANS AND THE UFO 1974 Gordon W. Allen SPACECRAFT FROM BEYOND THREE 1959 DIMENSIONS George C. Andrews EXTRATERRESTRIALS AMONG US ?1988 Orfeo Angelucci THE SECRET OF THE SAUCERS 1955 Kenneth Arnold THE COMING OF THE SAUCERS 1952 John C. Baird # THE INNER LIMITS OF OUTER SPACE 1987 Gray Barker GRAY BARKER AT GIANT ROCK 1976 Gray Barker THE SILVER BRIDGE 1970 Gray Barker THE BOOK OF GEORGE ADAMSKI 1965 Gray Barker THE STRANGE CASE OF DR M K JESSUP 1963 Gray Barker THEY KNEW TOO MUCH ABOUT FLYING SAUCERS 1958 Gray Barker THE SUACERIAN REVIEW 1956 Madelene Barnothy THE EFFECTS OF MAGNETIC FIELDS 1964 Bill Barry ULTIMATE ENCOUNTER 1978 John Baxter THE FIRE CAME BY - THE RIDDLE OF 1976 THE GREAT SIBERIAN EXPLOSION Robert B. Beard FLYING SAUCERS, UFO'S AND EXTRA TERESTRIAL LIFE:A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF BRITISH BOOKS 1971 Chessman Beere USP - PHYSICS FOR FLYING SAUCERS 1973 Albert Bender FLYING SAUCERS AND THE THREE MEN 1963 Albert Bender SPACE REVIEW 1962 Hildegard Bender KNIGHTS OF THE SOLAR CROSS - 1968 MESSAGES FROM OUTER SPACE Jacques Bergier ET INTERVENTION - THE EVIDENCE 1974 Jacques Bergier ET VISITS FROM PREHISTORY TO PRESENT 1970 ! Charles Berlitz * THE ROSWELL INCIDENT 1980 Charles Berlitz * MYSTERIES FROM FORGOTTEN WORLDS 1972 Charles Berlitz # THE MYSTERY OF ATLANTIS 1969 Raymond Bernard # THE HOLLOW EARTH 1969 Raymond Bernard FLYING SAUCERS FROM EARTHS ?1969 INTERIOR Truman Bethurum THE PEOPLE OF THE PLANET CLARION 1970 Truman Bethurum FACING REALITY 1958 Truman Bethurum THE VOICE OF THE PLANET CLARION 1957 Truman Bethurum ABOARD A FLYING SAUCER 1954 Otto Billig FLYING SAUCERS: MAGIC IN THE SKIES: A PSYCHOHISTORY 1982 Otto Binder UNSOLVED MYSTERIES OF THE PAST ?1974 Otto Binder MANKIND CHILD OF THE STARS 1974 Otto Binder FLYINF SAUCERS ARE WATCHING US 1968 Otto Binder WHAT WE REALLY KNOW ABOUT FLYING SAUCERS 1967 Ted Bloecher REPORT ON THE UFO WAVE OF 1947 1967 Ralph Blum * BEYOND EARTH: MANS CONTACT WITH UFO'S 1974 Josef Blumrich * THE SPACESHIPS OF EZEKIEL 1974 Yurko Bondarchuk UFO SIGHTINGS, LANDINGS AND ABDUCTIONS 1979 Charles Bowen ENCOUNTER CASES FROM FLYING SAUCER REVIEW 1977 Charles Bowen UFO ENCOUNTERS (magazine) 1973 Charles Bowen UFO'S IN TWO WORLDS (magazine) 1971 Charles Bowen BEYOND CONDON 1969 Charles Bowen THE HUMANOIDS - A SURVEY OF 1969 WORLDWIDE REPORTS Charles Bowen UFO PERCIPIENTS (magazine) 1969 Charles Bowen THE HUMANOIDS (magazine) 1966 M. Bowen FLYING SAUCERS AND OUTER SPACE 1969 Don Boys FLYING SAUCERS: MYTHS, MADNESS OR MADE IN MOSCOW ?1974 Ronald Bracewell THE GALACTIC CLUB 1975 Eugene Burt UFO'S AND DIAMAGNETISM 1970 Lynn E. Catoe UFO'S AND RELATED SUBJECTS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY 1969 Maurice Chatelain * OUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM OUTER SPACE 1975 Howard Chambers UFO"S FOR THE MILLIONS 1967 Robert Chapman UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1969 Robert Charroux LEGACY OF THE GODS 1974 Robert Charroux THE GODS UNKNOW 1974 Robert Charroux MASTERS OF THE WORLD 1974 Robert Charroux FORGOTTEN WORLDS 1973 Robert Charroux ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS OF 1971 MANS UNKNOWN HISTORY Adrian V. Clark COSMIC MYSTERIES OF THE UNIVERSE ?1969 Edward U. Condon SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1969 Gordon Cove WHO PILOTS THE FLYING SAUCERS ?1974 William R. Corliss * HANDBOOK OF UNUSUAL NATURAL PHENOMENA 1977 Douglas Curran IN ADVANCE OF THE LANDING: FOLK CONCEPTS OF OUTER SPACE 1985 Reilly H. Crabb FLYING SUACERS AT EDWARDS AFB ?1980 Leonard G. Cramp SPACE, GRAVITY AND THE FLYING SAUCER ?1967 Ellen Crystal INVASION: THEY COME IN SILENCE ?1988 David M. Jacob's THE CONTROVERSY OVER FLYING OBJECTS IN AMERICA 1869-1973 ?1986 Jay David THE FLYING SAUCER READER 1967 Isabel Davis CLOSE ENCOUNTERS AT KELLY AND OTHERS OF 1955 1978 Isabel Davis EXTRATERRESTRIALS SUGGESTED MOTIVES AND ORIGIN 1969 Erich Von Daniken VON DANIKENS PROOF 1978 Erich Von Daniken MIRACLES OF THE GODS 1976 Erich Von Daniken RETURN TO THE STARS ?1974 Erich Von Daniken IN SEARCH OF ANCIENT GODS 1973 Erich Von Daniken # THE GOLD OF THE GODS 1972 Erich Von Daniken * GODS FROM OUTER SPACE 1971 Erich Von Daniken * CHARIOTS OF THE GODS 1970 L. S. DeCamp * THE ANCIENT ENGINEERS 1980 R. L. Dione * GOD DRIVES A FLYING SAUCER 1969 Barry Downing THE BIBLE AND FLYING SAUCERS 1968 Raymond W. Drake GODS AND SPACEMEN THROUGHOUT HISTORY 1975 Raymond W. Drake GODS AND SPACEMEN OF THE ANCIENT WEST 1974 Raymond W. Drake GODS AND SPACEMEN IN ANCIENT EAST 1968 Ann Druffel THE TUJUNGA CANYON CONTACTS 1980 George Eberhart UFO'S AND THE EXTRATERESTRIAL 1980 CONTACT MOVEMENT: A BIBLIOGRAPHY 1986 George Eberhart A GEO-BIBLIOGRAPHY OF ANOMALIES 1980 Martin Ebon # THE RIDDLE OF THE BERMUDA TRIANGL 1975 Frank Edwards FLYING SAUCERS HERE AND NOW 1967 Frank Edwards * FLYING SAUCERS SERIOUS BUSINESS 1966 Frank Edwards * STRANGER THAN SCIENCE 1959 Frank Edwards * STRANGEST OF ALL 1956 Robert Emenegger UFO'S PAST PRESENT & FUTURE 1974 Walter Ernsting THE DAY THE GODS DIED 1971 Hilary Evans THE EVIDENCE FOR UFO'S 1983 Lawrence Fawcett # CLEAR INTENT: THE GOVERMENT COVERUP OF THE UFO EXPERIENCE 1984 Randall Fitzgerald THE COMPLETE BOOK OF EXTRA TERRESTRIAL ENCOUNTYERS 1979 Parls Flammonde UFO EXIST ?1987 Charles Fort COMPLETE BOOKS OF CHARLES FORT 1974 Charles Fort LO! 1934 Raymond E. Fowler CASEBOOK OF A UFO INVESTIGATOR 1981 Raymond E. Fowler # THE ANDREASSON AFFAIR 1979 Stanton Friedman UFO'S TODAY 1974 Stanton Friedman UFO'S MYTH AND MYSTERY 1971 Stanton Friedman FLYING SAUCER ENERGETICS 1970 Daniel Fry THE WHITE SANDS INCIDENT 1966 Curtis Fuller PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL UFO CONGRESS 1980 John G. Fuller ALIENS IN THE SKIES ?1970 John G. Fuller * THE INTERUPTED JOURNEY 1966 John G. Fuller * INCIDENT AT EXETER 1966 Judith Gansberg DIRECT ENCOUNTERS 1980 Richard Garvin # THE CRYSTAL SKULL 1973 Gavin Gibbons THEY RODE IN SPACESHIPS 1957 Daniel Gillmor SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF UFO'S 1969 Kurt Glemser FLYING SAUCERS FROM THE FOURTH 1974 DIMENSION Kurt Glemser FLYING SAUCERS AND THE INNER 1974 EARTH Kurt Glemser THE MEN IN BLACK REPORT 1973 Kurt Glemser UFO'S: MENACE FROM THE SKIES 1972 Kurt Glemser THEY WALK AMONG US 1970 Timothy Good GEORGE ADAMSKI THE UNTOLD STORY ?1988 Gabriel Green LETS FACE THE FACTS ABOUT FLYING SAUCERS 1967 Irving Greenfield THE UFO REPORT 1967 Barry Greenwood CLEAR INTENT ?1988 Richard F. Haines OBSERVING UFO'S: AN INVESTIGATIVE HANDBOOK 1980 David Haisell * THE MISSING SEVEN HOURS 1978 David Haisell THE MISSING SEVEN HOURS REVEALED 1978 ! Richard H. Hall * UNINVITED GUESTS 1988 Richard H. Hall THE UFO EVIDENCE 1964 Richard H. Hall CHALLANGE OF UFO'S ?1966 W. A. Harbinson * THE LIGHT OF EDEN 1987 W. A. Harbinson * OTHERWORLD 1984 W. A. Harbinson REVELATION ???? ! W. A. Harbinson * GENESIS 1980 Clive Harold THE UNINVITED: A TRUE STORY 1979 Gerald Heard IS ANOTHER WORLD WATCHING 1953 Allan Hendry THE UFO HANDBOOK 1979 James Holledge FLYING SAUCERS OVER AUSTRALIA 1965 Bud Hopkins * MISSING TIME: A DOCUMENTED STUDY OF UFO ABDUCTIONS 1981 Bud Hopkins * INTRUDERS: THE INCREDIBLE VISITATIONS AT COPLEY WOODS 1987 Bud Hopkins INTRUDERS AMONG US ?1987 ! Allan J. Hynek * THE HYNEK UFO REPORT 1977 Allan J. Hynek THE EDGE OF REALITY 1975 Allan J. Hynek * THE UFO EXPERIENCE A SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY 1972 Phil Imbrogno # NIGHT SIEGE THE HUDSON VALLEY UFO 1987 D. Jacobs THE UFO CONTROVERCY IN AMERICA 1975 Trevor James THEY LIVE IN THE SKY ?1967 M. K. Jessup THE EXPANDING CASE FOR UFO'S 1957 M. K. Jessup # THE CASE FOR THE UFO'S 1955 ! M. K. Jessup THE CASE FOR THE UFO'S 1956 (ANOTATED "VARO" EDITION) M. K. Jessup THE UFO ANNUAL 1956 M. K. Jessup UFO AND THE BIBLE 1956 Carl Jung FLYING SAUCERS: A MODERN MYTH OF THINGS SEEN IN THE SKY 1959 John A. Keel THE MAN WHO INVENTED FLYING SAUCERS 1983 John A. Keel THE EIGHTH TOWER 1975 John A. Keel THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES 1975 John A. Keel * OUR HAUNTED PLANET 1971 John A. Keel UFO'S OPERATION TROJAN HORSE 1970 C. F. Keil COMMENTARY ON THE OLD TESTAMENT 1966 Major Donald E. Keyhoe * ALIENS FROM SPACE... THE REAL STORY OF UFO'S 1973 Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCERS TOP SECRET 1960 Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCER CONSPIRACY 1955 Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCERS FROM OUTER SPACE 1953 Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCERS ARE REAL 1950 K. A. Kichen ANCIENT ORIENT AND OLD TESTAMENT 1966 Gary Kinder * LIGHT YEARS 1987 Phillip Klass UFO'S THE PUBLIC DECIEVED 1983 Phillip Klass UFO'S EXPLAINED 1974 Phillip Klass UFO'S IDENTIFIED 1968 Peter Kolosimo NOT OF THIS WORLD 1971 Dino Kraspedon MY CONTACT WITH FLYING SAUCERS 1959 Alan Landsburg * THE OUTER SPACE CONNECTION 1975 George Leonard SOMEONE ELSE IS ON THE MOON ?1988 Brinsley LePoer Trench SECRET OF THE AGES - UFO's 1975 FROM INSIDE THE EARTH Brinsley LePoer Trench OPERATION EARTH 1974 Brinsley LePoer Trench THE ETERNAL SUBJECT 1973 (THE UFO STORY) Brinsley LePoer Trench FLYING SAUCERS HAVE ARRIVED 1970 Brinsley LePoer Trench THE FLYING SAUCER STORY 1970 Brinsley LePoer Trench TEMPLE OF THE STARS 1962 (MEN AMONG MANKIND) Brinsley LePoer Trench THE SKY PEOPLE 1960 Gordon Lindsay THE RIDDLE OF THE FLYING SAUCERS 1972 Gordon Lindsay THE ANTICHRISTS HAVE COME 1958 Howard Liss UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1968 Robert Loftin IDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1968 Gordon Lore Jr. STRANGE EFFECTS FROM UFO'S 1969 Gordon Lore Jr. MYSTERIES OF THE SKIES: UFO'S IN PERSPECTIVE 1968 Robert W. Loosley AN ACCOUNT OF A MEETING WITH DENIZENS OF ANOTHER WORLD 1971 Coral Lorenzen ABDUCTED! 1977 Coral Lorenzen ENCOUNTERS WITH UFO OCCUPANTS 1976 Coral Lorenzen UFO'S THE WHOLE STORY 1969 Coral Lorenzen * UFO'S OVER THE AMERICAS 1968 Coral Lorenzen FLYING SAUCER OCCUPANTS 1967 Coral Lorenzen * THE FLYING SAUCER HOAX 1966 Coral Lorenzen (FLYING SAUCERS: THE STARTLING EVIDENCE OF THE INVITATION FROM OUTER SPACE) 1966 Duncan Lunan * MYSTERIOUS SIGNALS FROM OUTER SPACE 1974 Larry Maddock THE FLYING SAUCER GAMBIT 1966 Kenneth c. McCulloch MANKIND CITIZEN OF THE GALAXY ?1988 John Magor OUR UFO VISITORS 1977 Howard Menger FROM OUTER SPACE TO YOU 1959 John Manas FLYING SAUCERS ANS SPACEMEN 1962 Dr. Donald Menzel THE UFO ENIGMA 1977 Dr. Donald Menzel UFO FACT OR FICTION 1967 Dr. Donald Menzel THE WORLD OF FLYING SAUCERS 1963 Dr. Donald Menzel FLYING SAUCERS 1953 Aime Michel FLYING SAUCERS AND THE STRAIGHT LINE MYSTERY 1958 Aime Michel THE TRUTH ABOUT FLYING SAUCERS 1956 John Michell * THE FLYING SAUCER VISION 1967 Helen Mitchell WE MET THE SPACE PEOPLE ?1970 William L. Moore THE SPITZBERGEN SAUCER CRASH ?1988 William L. Moore CRASHED UFO'S: EVIDENCE IN THE SEARCH FOR PROOF ?1988 William L. Moore UFO'S THE MOST HIGHLY CLASSIFIED SUBJECT 1986 ! William L. Moore * THE ROSWELL INCIDENT 1980 ! William L. Moore * THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT 1979 Jim Moseley THE WRIGHT FIELD STORY 1971 Jim Moseley JIM MOSELEY'S BOOK OF SAUCER NEWS 1967 Israel Norkin SAUCER DIARY 1957 Erich Norman GODS AND DEVILS FROM OUTER SPACE 1973 Erich Norman * GODS, DEMONS AND SPACE CHARIOTS 1970 James E. Oberg UFO'S AND OUTER SPACE MYSTERIES: Thomas Olsen THE REFERENCE FOR OUTSTANDING UFO SIGHTING REPORTS ?1968 Ray Palmer THE REAL UFO INVASION 1968 Michael Parry CHARIOTS OF FIRE 1974 A SYMPATHETIC SKEPTICS REPORT 1982 T. B. Pawlicki HOW TO BUILD A FLYING SAUCER AND OTHER PROPOSALS IN SPECULATIVE ENGINEERING 1981 Ted Peters UFO'S GOD'S CHARIOTS 1977 Ted Phillips PHYSICAL TRACES ASSOCIATED WITH 1975 UFO SIGHTINGS Randolfo Raphael Pozos # THE FACE ON MARS ?1980 UFO Congress PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIRST INTER NATIONAL UFO CONGRESS 1980 Jenny Randles SKY CRASH: A COSMIC CONSPIRACY 1984 Jenny Randles SCIENCE AND THE UFO'S 1985 Jenny Randles UFO REALITY: A CRITICAL LOOK AT THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE 1983 Richard M. Rasmussen THE UFO LITERATURE: A COMPREHEN SIVE BIBLIOGRAPHY OF WORKS IN ENGLISH 1985 J. Rimmer THE EVIDENCE FOR ALIEN ABDUCTIONS 1984 Edward J. Ruppelt THE REPORT ON UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1956 Harley D. Rutledge PROJECT IDENTIFICATION: THE FIRST SCIENTIFIC FIELD STUDY OF THE UFO PHENOMENA 1981 Margaret Sachs THE UFO ENCYCLOPEDIA 1980 Margaret Sachs CELESTRIAL PASSENGERS: UFO'S AND SPACE TRAVEL 1977 Carl Sagan OTHER WORLDS 1975 Carl Sagan THE COSMIC CONNECTION 1973 Carl Sagan UFO'S A SCIENTIFIC DEBATE 1972 Carl Sagan INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE 1967 Thierry J. Sagnier * THE UFO REPORT 1983 Frank Salisbury THE UTAH UFO DISPLAY 1974 Ivan Sanderson UNINVITED VISITORS 1967 Ivan Sanderson INVISIBLE RESIDENTS 1970 David Saunders UFO's? YES!: WHERE THE CONDON REPORT WENT WRONG 1968 Frank Scully # BEHIND THE FLYING SAUCERS 1950 Jean Sendy * THE COMING OF THE GODS 1970 Jean Sendy * THE GODS WHO MADE HEAVEN & EARTH 1969 Jean Sendy THE MOON: OUTPOST OF THE GODS 1968 Robert Sheaffer THE UFO VERDICT: EXAMINING THE EVIDENCE 1980 Arthur Shuttlewood UFO'S KEY TO THE NEW AGE 1971 Arthur Shuttlewood WARNING FROM FLYING FRIENDS 1968 Arthur Shuttlewood * THE WARMINSTER MYSTERY 1967 MS Smith THE UFO ENIGMA 1976 Warren Smith # SECRET OF THE HOLLOW EARTH 1976 Warren Smith # SECRET FORCES OF THE PYRAMIDS 1975 Garder Soule UFO'S AND IFO'S 1967 John Spenser * PHENOMENON FORTY YEARS OF FLYING SUACERS 1988 John Spencer # NO EARTHLY EXPLANATION 1974 John Spencer LIMBO OF THE LOST 1969 Gerome Stanton FLYING SAUCERS HOAX OR REALITY 1966 Roger Stanway FLYING SAUCER REPORT - UFO'S UNIDENTIFIED AND UNDENIABLE 1968 Fred Steckling UFO'S WHY ARE THEY HERE? 1969 Brad Steiger # THE FELLOWSHIP 1988 Brad Steiger * THE UFO ABDUCTORS 1988 Brad Steiger THE STAR PEOPLE ?1988 Brad Steiger REVELATION: THE DIVINE FIRE ?1988 Brad Steiger WORLDS BEFORE OUR OWN ?1988 Brad Steiger * ALIEN MEETINGS 1978 Brad Steiger GODS OF AQUARIOUS 1976 Brad Steiger PROJECT BLUEBOOK 1976 Brad Steiger THE NEW UFO BREAKTHROUGH ?1976 Brad Steiger # MYSTERIES OF TIME AND SPACE 1974 Brad Steiger FLYING SAUCER INVASION - TARGET 1969 EARTH Brad Steiger ALLENDE LETTERS 1968 Brad Steiger NEW UFO BREAKTHROUGH 1968 Brad Steiger FLYING SAUCERS ARE HOSTILE 1967 Brad Steiger THE FLYING SAUCER MENACE 1967 Brad Steiger STRANGERS FROM THE SKIES 1966 William Steinman UFO CRASH AT AZTEC ?1988 Robert Sheaffer THE UFO VERDICT: EXAMINING THE EVIDENCE 1980 Jack Stonely * IS ANYONE OUT THERE 1974 Ronald Story UFO'S AND THE LIMITS OF SCIENCE 1981 Ronald Story # THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF UFO'S 1980 Ronald Story GUARDIANS OF THE UNIVERSE 1980 Ronald Story THE SPACE GODS REVEALED A CLOSE 1976 LOOK AT THE THEORIES OF ERICH VON DANIKEN Frank Stranges THE STRANGER AT THE PENTAGON 1972 Frank Stranges MY FRIEND FROM BEYOND EARTH 1960 Frank Stranges FLYING SAUCERAMA 1959 Whitley Strieber # TRANSFORMATION 1988 Whitley Strieber * COMMUNION 1987 Leonard Stringfield * SITUATION RED: UFO SIEGE 1977 Leonard Stringfield INSIDE SAUCER POST 3-0 BLUE 1957 Richard Tambling FLYING SAUCERS WHERE DO THEY COME FROM 1967 Paul Thomas FYING SAUCERS THROUGH THE AGES 1965 Andrew Tomas * WE ARE NOT THE FIRST 1971 James Trevor THEY LIVE IN THE SKY 1958 Jacques Vallee CHALLENGE TO SCIENCE: THE UFO ENIGMA 1966 Jacques Vallee MESSENGERS OF DECEPTION: UFO CONTACTS AND CULTS 1979 Jacques Vallee DIMENSIONS: A CASEBOOK OF ALIEN CONTACT ???? Jacques Vallee THE INVISIBLE COLLEGE ?1978 Jacques Vallee * ANATOMY OF A PHENOMENON 1965 Jacques Vallee UFO'S IN SPACE 1965 Jacques Vallee * THE UFO ENIGMA: CHALLENGE 1966 TO SCIENCE Jacques Vallee PASSPORT TO MAGONIA 1969 ! Renato Vesco * INTRCEPT / UFO 1968 (INTERCEPT BUT DONT SHOOT) Travis Walton THE WALTON EXPERIENCE 1978 David Webb YEAR OF THE HUMANOIDS 1974 David Wheeler THE LUBBOCK LIGHTS 1977 Dale White IS SOMETHING UP THERE? 1969 P. J. Wilcox THE UFO QUESTION 1976 Harold T. Wilkins FLYING SAUCERS UNCENSORED 1956 Harold T. Wilkins * FLYING SAUCERS ON THE ATTACK 1954 Harold T. Wilkins STRANGE MYSTERIES OF TIME & SPACE ?1954 George Hunt Williamson OTHER TONGUES, OTHER FLESH ?1988 George Hunt Williamson THE SAUCERS SPEAK ?1966 Dr. Clifford Wilson * CRASH GO THE CHARIOTS 1972 Dr. Clifford Wilson * THE ALIEN AGENDA 1974 Dr. Clifford Wilson UFO'S & THEIR MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 1974 Dr. Clifford Wilson IN THE BEGINNING GOD 1970 Don Wilson OUR MYSTERIOUS SPACESHIP MOON 1975 T. M. Wright THE INTELLIGENT MAN'S GUIDE TO FLYING SAUCERS 1968 Bob Young FLYING SAUCERS ARE - BOOK TWO 1959 Mort Young UFO: TOP SECRET 1967 EOF -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: INFO: Sightings DATA Message-ID: <1991Apr10.032310.24583@bilver.uucp> Date: 10 Apr 91 03:23:10 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 560 This file courtesy of John Komar, Tenn State MUFON Director. --------Begin included text--------------------------------- CASE # 10-?67TN - Location: Memphis. Lead Investigator: John Komar, SD. This is a additional report from a case mentioned in a previous issue of this newsletter. Four friends, while playing golf in Douglas Park, noticed an object in the sky just east of their position on the golf course. Since the object was unknown to them, the four witnesses sat atop a small hill and watched the object for approximately 15 minutes. Following is a statement from the witness; "It seemed to be aware that we were watching it, and moved off to the northeast at a high rate of speed, until it was barely visible." "Then it returned to the same position [in the sky] over a chemical plant just to the east of Douglas Park, at an even higher rate of speed!" "It's flight pattern was erratic climbs, dips, and hesitations. All movements were abrupt and extremely tight, kind of like square turns, climbs and dips." "It hovered over the chemical plant for a few more seconds. then it left at such a high rate of speed that it was impossible to track." The object was reported to be round, about 30 feet in diameter, silvery colored and opaque. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CASE # 102689TN - Location: 60 miles west of Nashville on Interstate 40.Lead Investigator: John Komar, SD. While driving from Nashville to Memphis on a clear, sunny day, three occupants in a car noticed two very bright sun-lit objects in the sky southwesterly from their location, at approximately 5:00 p.m. The witnesses stated the objects "were very bright as if they were reflecting the sun." The objects, each believed to be at least 1 1/2 times the size of the "Goodyear blimp", were stated to be approximately 1500 feet above the ground, with one being higher than the other. The seemed to not be moving. Actual duration of the sighting was about five minutes. The witnesses stopped watching the object for a moment, and when they looked again the two objects had disappeared. The primary witness has training as an aircraft pilot, and has been employed by an airline company for a number of years in different locations throughout the country. This witness firmly states that the objects he had seen were not aircraft, helicopter, nor dirigible. No sounds were reported to have been heard. Distance to the objects was about 3-5 miles. There might be another witness to this sighting, or a similar craft on around the same date. Below is a message I received from Jerry Woody, MUFON member in Alabama. (Jerry also runs a ParaNet BBS): Message number 2057 in "MUFONET" Date: 03-07-90 19:57 From: Jerry Woody To: John Komar Subj: Re: Tennessee Sighting Report Hi John; This sounds very similar to a sighting I had in Hartselle a few months ago. I 'ran it up the pole' by writing to some Hartselle Users here on the Frontier but nothing came of it and I dismissed it as an aircraft. Now I'm not too sure. The date, unfortunately, is unknown since I had dropped reporting the object but probably occurred 2-3 months ago. Kathy was driving South on Hwy 31 through the town of Hartselle in North central Alabama. I was reading a magazine in the passenger side when a metallic reflection directly in front of and up caught my eye. I glanced up at it and saw a fairly small object vigorously reflecting sunlight and shaped somewhat like a 'crooked, bent finger'. I went back to reading when it dawned on me that something wasn't right. It had no tail section and wasn't going quite right for a normal plane. Too much reflection like it was rotating, spinning, etc. I looked back up just to see the object apparently turn. The metallic reflection was replaced by a small dark circle which in a space of 2 seconds closed in on itself and the entire object disappeared. This occurred approximately. 3pm. Sky was sunny with some high Cirrostratus in the Western Sky. I estimate the object height at 2500 to 3000 feet. Jet aircraft contrails was observed at app. 10000 ft. + where the condensation level was. This object created no contrail and was certainly no small light plane. The object was observed for a total of perhaps 10 seconds. The sky was clear and blue in the background and when it disappeared it left without a trace. Jerry. * Origin: * The Frontier * -=MUFONET + ALABAMA=- Cullman 205-7391469 ============================================================================= Log #890302 - Event 5/10/88, New Haven, IL: duration, 3-4 seconds. Lead investigator Francis Ridge. A missile-shaped vehicle 25 feet long, light grey in color, with a slightly turned-up nose, stabilizing wings at the rear, and a reddish ring at the middle, cruised 50-100 feet above the ground at "tremendous speed" a few hundred feet from the witness. One possible explanation, a Tomahawk cruise missile (strikingly similar in appearance), brought forward by Fran. This would postulate that a test firing (from an unknown point) had gone awry. An FOIA request for additional information is being pursued. Log # 890303 - Event mid-June 1959, midday, Whiting, NJ: duration, unknown (possible time lapse). Lead investigator Walter Webb. The witness, then 8 years old, went hiking into a nearby woods that lie near multiple military installations. He entered a circular clearing, on the perimeter of which tree bark was scraped and hanging. At some point, from overhead a shadow became apparent, and the boy discovered a 60 foot disc 300 feet overhead with a high-pitched humming. The object descended while the witness felt an electrical tingling, then a blank. When he returned home, he could not account for six hours. Log # 890402 - Event 2/11/89, 11:15 PM, San Antonio, TX: duration 5 minutes. Lead investigator Robert Morgan. A woman entered her kitchen and heard a humming. Hovering at a distance overhead was a flat-bottomed disc. The object emitted a beam which apparently extinguished a nearby streetlight and seemingly affected the witness in a noticeable manner. After a few minutes the object moved out of view. Immediately after, the streetlight came back on and a firetruck appeared on the scene. Log # 890405 - Event 2/8/89, 3:40 AM, Gulf Breeze, FL: duration 12 minutes. Lead investigator Charles Flannigan. Awakened by his dog's stirrings outside, a man discovered a small object descending low over a nearby lot. The object was described as two connected discs, the lower one larger and about 3 feet in diameter. A white light shone at the top, while numerous others blinked in reddish orange and two shades of green. As the man approached (intending to bring the thing back inside), the object disappeared in a flash of light. Log # 890406 - Event 11/24/87, 7:30 PM, Gulf Breeze, FL: duration 5 minutes. Lead investigator Boots Eckert. A woman and her son noticed a lighted object while driving. A few moments later, it hovered over trees along the road, and they stopped to observe. The object was described as a disc with a light at the top and a row of lights or windows emanating alternate red and green light. A red ball of light dropped from the bottom, maneuvered out and up, then shot out of sight. Unnerved, the woman drove away. Log # 890407 - Event 11/10-20/87 (exact date undetermined), dusk, Pensacola, FL: duration 3 minutes. Lead investigator Vicki Lyons. A couple noticed a disc-shaped object hovering near treetop level while driving. Slowing but not stopping, they kept it in view for over two miles. Later, having become aware of the original Gulf Breeze photos, the man declared, "There's no doubt in my mind then or now that what we saw was exactly what was photographed on November 11 in Gulf Breeze." Log # 890502 - Event 4/5/89, Cantonment, FL: duration 5 minutes. Lead investigator Carol and Rex Salisberry and Terry Kussart. About 11 PM, a 14- year-old girl noticed a slowly descending light from her bedroom window. She went outside and observed a dark gray disc, 15-20 feet in diameter and hovering over a tree, causing the branches to move vigorously. Dozens of blue-streaked white lights shone around its rim. A "door" opened in the bottom, illuminating the tree. She ran inside to call a friend and neighbor (noticing heavy static on the line). The second girl, also 14, proceeded outside and observed the vehicle as it departed vertically and out of sight, spinning as it went. Log # 890503 - Event 5/1/89, Warrington, FL: duration 2 minutes. Lead investigators Carol and Rex Salisberry. At 8:45 PM, a woman spotted low over her backyard an object shaped like a "long bow tie" (30 foot length) with a brilliant red-orange bar of light on one side. The object appeared to vanish (i.e. without accelerating out of sight). [Note: Due to her emotional reaction and difficulty recalling specifics in the ensuing weeks, the woman began hypnosis sessions, from which earlier encounters with disc-shaped vehicles in 1925 and 1939 were related.] Log # 890602 - Event 10/21/78, Dayton, OH: duration 3 minutes. Lead investigator David Miller. At 3 PM, a man (licensed pilot) was working in his yard when he noticed a chrome-like ball at high altitude which crossed existing vapor trails, transformed to a flat-white, stopped, transformed to grey, then accelerated vertically through cirrus clouds. [Note: As indicated by the witness, a local TV station reported other concurrent observations.] Log # 890603 - Event 1/18/89, Somerville, OH: duration 2 hours. Lead investigator Dick Seifreid. At 3:57 AM, a man (retired USAF noncom) was awakened by his barking dog. Looking out, he observed three oval-shapes over trees bordering the property 50 yards away. He woke his wife and two adolescent children. The family watched for most of two hours as the objects moved low over nearby farm buildings and land. They displayed various bright colors (amber, red, green, blue and white) which covered the surfaces from an apparent belt or lights on each. At one point, the father and son engaged in a chase with their auto before losing sight of them. Shortly thereafter, two of the objects returned over an adjacent field before departing again. [Note: The family subsequently reported a recurrence in the early morning hours of 1/27/89.] Log # 890607 - Event (exact date unknown), Sarnia, Ontario: duration 10 minutes. Lead investigator Dorothy Lewis. At 10 PM, a couple noted on their police monitor that cars were stopped along a Lake Huron shoreline highway. From their balcony, they observed at a distance a hugh apparently disc-shaped object with numerous green lights or lighted windows around the perimeter. A soft whirring sound was detectable. The vehicle hovered near the shore, then moved off over the lake and out of sight. [Note: No other witnesses have been located to date.] LOG # 890712 - Event 11/09/88, near Maylene, Alabama.Investigators Jeff and Karen Ballard. Returning from a friend's home, a woman noticed blinking lights to her right. On rounding a curve, she spotted an oblong metallic object ahead, perhaps 40 feet in diameter. It displayed two bright white lights on the perimeter, four smaller yellow-white lights surrounding a circular area on the bottom, and a dark raised portion ("hump") on either side. Seeming to hover momentarily, the object then rose and glided over the woman's car from a distance. As it did so, she felt disjointed consciously from her physical surroundings, believing afterward that she watched it from an elevated viewing angle as it left. LOG # 890714 - Event 03/15/89, near Elysian, Minnesota. Investigator Bill McNeff. While driving home a woman came upon a 30-foot display of lights hovering about 50 feet over a ditch. She came to a halt and watched for several minutes but discerned only lights. They consisted of two rows of alternating red and green, blinking in succession, and two red lights above. Becoming frightened, she drove a short distance to the home of a friend. They returned but found nothing. LOG # 890719 - Event 05/17/89, in a suburb of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Investigator Evelyn Schurman. Two women were driving on a residential street when they noticed an oval shape with beacon-sized red lights along the side, hovering in the near distance. The object retreated and returned several times over two minutes, then accelerated vertically. They filed a police report immediately. LOG # 890802 - Event 07/16/89, in New Harmony, Indiana. Investigator Francis Ridge. A woman was standing outside when her driveway and surroundings were illuminated "as bright as day". Overhead at treetop level was a disc of satellite dish proportion. Dozens of short rods or cylinder shapes protruded in varying lengths and colors from its white-lit concave underside. After a few moments, it moved beyond nearby trees and out of sight. LOG # 890803 - Event 07/18/89, in Dutton, Alabama. Investigators Carol and Rex Salisberry. A couple had retreated inside due to threatening weather when an acquaintance (of reputed psychic ability) phoned to say they should be looking for UFO's. Returning outside, the sky was totally clear. Moments later, they observed an oval white light moving slowly past in the distance. Ten minutes later, the thunderstorm ensued. [Notes: The wife may have experienced a bedroom intrusion by a cloaked figure later that night. She had numerous experiences, alone and with others, of a triangular object in connection with the Fyffe, Alabama sightings.] LOG # 890806 - Event 08/13/89, in Mansura, Louisiana. Investigator Barney Garner. At 10:30 AM, a man noticed a 2-3 foot disc floating just off the ground 30 feet away on his property. He called to his wife. After moving a short distance and hovering several times, it shot up vertically, circled a nearby tree, then accelerated angularly up and out of sight. A police report was filed. [Note: The object reportedly left swirled circles of weeds which had been mowed before the investigator arrived.] LOG # 890808 - Event 08/22/89, in Pensacola Beach, Florida. Investigators Carol and Rex Salisberry. A woman's housemate phoned to say that customers at his establishment were reporting unusual lights in the sky. From her balcony over the next two hours, she observed numerous light anomalies along with huge unlighted objects of undefined shape approaching each other from opposite directions, hovering together, then retreating to their original points. LOG # 890903 - Event 05/18/89, in Vancouver, B.C. Investigator Michael Strainic. Over the course of an hour, a man and woman observed three formations of brilliant, disc-like objects undulating within a vapor, and two formations of dull grey discs, each with a raised center. Each formation was visible for several seconds and traveling at a high rate in a straight-line path. LOG # 890904 - Event March 1988, in Gulf Breeze, Florida. Investigators Carol and Rex Salisberry. A teen was sent outside to find the cause of a humming sound. At treetop level, a flat-bottomed disc passed slowly and directly overhead. The undercarriage was black in the center with concentric rings, the inner composed of white squares of light, the outer of larger and alternately white and orange squares that flashed sequentially. He called to his mother, who arrived in time to see the object moving away. [Note: The mother and son related other sightings over the past two years as well as high-strangeness events in earlier years. LOG # 890905 - Event 04/04/89, in Pensacola, Florida. Investigators Carol and Rex Salisberry. While driving in the city, a woman felt a strong energy, then observed a huge glowing ball of light pass low and quickly overhead. The car radio was knocked off it's station. [Note: The woman also reported a bedroom intrusion by a dark figure several years ago, and her toddler related the same figure in his bedroom recently.] LOG # 890906 - Event 08/23/89, in Navarre Beach, Florida. Investigators Carol and Rex Salisberry. A couple viewing stars from their balcony were among those who observed a triangular formation over the bay. The display comprised two huge red lights 150 feet apart at each apex and two centered yellow-white lights. No outline was discerned. The lights stopped, then moved off and out of sight. LOG # 890910 - Event 08/22/89, in Gulf Breeze, Florida. Investigators Carol and Rex Salisberry. From her backyard, a woman noticed a "translucent white" triangular object (50-100 feet to a side) hovering at a vertical attitude over trees within 100 yards. After a moment it rose, leveled off and moved over a nearby bridge., then began to return. She called her teenage son outside who observed a large globe of light (color not recalled) at each apex and small red lights along the three sides before it passed out of view. LOG # 890911 - Event 08/23/89 in Gulf Breeze, Florida. Investigators Carol and Rex Salisberry. Two women in their driveway observed a "silver" or "white" delta shaped object (estimated 70 feet per side) pass low and almost directly overhead. On the leading apex was a globe or cluster of white lights 12-16 feet in diameter. Globes or clusters of red were at the other apexes. Three lights-one white and two red- followed closely behind. After trying to follow in their car, the women drove to a friends home. There, they saw the same or similar object and lights pass nearby. This time, two independent lights (now pulsating) led the vehicle as it moved slowly out of sight. Again they tried unsuccessfully to follow. LOG # 890912 - Event 12/15/88 near Shelton, Washington. Investigator James Clarkson. From their secluded lakeside home, a family was attracted outside by a brilliant approaching light illuminating the trees below. They observed three black boomerangs, the first estimated variously from 75 feet at the base to "a football field", move very slowly overhead at treetop level. The latter two were identical in shape but much smaller. The wife attempted a flash photo, but neither prints nor negatives were returned. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The follow are two reports by UFO investigator/researcher Bob Oechsler, from Annapolis, Maryland. They provide insights and technical information relating to the Gulf Breeze, Florida UFO phenomena. The reports were received 9/22/88. DBC --------------------------------------------------------------------- THE GULF BREEZE PHOTOGRAPHIC SIGHTINGS CASE AS VIEWED FROM WITHIN THE INVESTIGATION One of the most often asked questions by investigators unfamiliar with the Gulf Breeze Case is to provide the single most compelling piece of evidence that proves the case valid. In the final analysis of the Gulf Breeze UFO photographic sightings case, it's not the photographs or the 8 mm home video of the flying UFO, or the landing site or any one particular sighting or piece of physical evidence that makes this case authentic. It's the people behind the story that make this case believable in spite of it's incredibility. The UFO phenomenon is rich in a foundation of historical documentation. This case has a certain uniqueness with no precedence in the literature. It has challenged the investigation team right to the core of their individual areas of expertise. Putting the case in perspective, however, has been an even greater challenge. There probably can be no singly conclusive piece of the puzzle that would validate the case. Given adequate resources someone probably could closely duplicate the photographic evidence. Missing, however, is any evidence that any of the principals in this case involving six months of active UFO sightings has the technological background, resources or ability to duplicate the evidence. So we must ultimately evaluate the human factors in which we are on firmer ground. We must ask ourselves can more than 135 witnesses be lying about what they saw, is it possible that a dozen well trained investigators and professionals be so naive and incompetent as to allow even a sophisticated hoax to go undetected under their very eyes for half a year. Are at least nine victims of missing time collectively hallucinating, and how can we deny the concerns of a mother whose three year old daughter has since last summer reported ghosts in her room, ghosts with big black eyes, who take her away and bring her back. And upon seeing photos of the UFOs the child told her mother that she'd seen that and had been in it! The evaluatable evidence in this case is abundant and available for close scrutiny. It is imperative to note that no specialist to date has been capable of duplicating even one single piece of the evidence, and I've personally witnessed a number of such attempts. One day someone will inevitably duplicate some of the evidence as will we one day be capable of duplicating the technology many have witnessed this year. But for now we must consider, has an alien culture from the stars initiated a long awaited Glasnost Policy of their own. If indeed that is the case, what will it mean to our society and the rest of the peoples of the Planet Earth in the years to come! Broadcast Reporter Bob Oechsler Investigator/Researcher Annapolis, Maryland ----------------------------------------------------------------------- INVESTIGATIVE ANALYSIS The photographic and video taped evidence in the Gulf Breeze case was brought to my attention approximately two months after the first reported sightings of UFO activity on November 11th of 1987. An exhaustive series of polygraph tests were conducted on the primary photographer in the case, one of five known to the investigative staff. It seemed pertinent under the circumstances that additional methods be employed to verify the veracity of the witnesses. Following a background check of the primary photographer with his verbal permission, various investigation interviews were subjected to Voice Stress Analysis using state of the art Psychological Stress Evaluator equipment operated by one of the nation's top expert analysts. There were no reactions in the analysis that would indicate that any of the three witnesses interviewed were telling anything short of the truth about what they observed. Meteorologic and Site Survey analyses were performed as a check against the details reported for the first photographic sighting. The conclusion verified that the photographs were likely to have been taken on the day and time period reported as no other similar conditions existed over a two week period prior to publication of the photographs. An investigation into the photographic equipment used was conducted through field tests and close consultation with Polaroid Corporation engineers. It was determined that the camera used through February 7th could perform double exposure techniques with the 108 type film. Investigators provided the witness with a 35mm Nimslo stereo camera and employed controls that were not subsequently breached as determined following inspection of the camera and film after a photographic sighting. A more sophisticated Polaroid Sun 600 camera was purchased on March 7th. The following day the camera was first used during a photographic sighting opportunity. It was determined by the Polaroid engineers that a double exposure was possible but extremely difficult to effect. On March 17th a second Polaroid Sun 600 camera was combined with the first in a stereo array to create a parallax for measuring the distance and size of objects by comparing two photographs taken simultaneously. The degree of difficulty in a double exposure had now increased beyond reasonable proportions. The final piece of equipment used was a Sony 8mm home video camera with sound and without zoom capability. A one minute and thirty eight second two part video tape was shot on December 28th. An extensive analysis of the two part video tape was started in March and continues today. Various enhancement techniques were performed at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. Among those tests a variable speed element was employed to make tapes for viewing the entire tape at one tenth speed. A Sony Video Editor model BVU820 was used with a digital time base corrector to supply a direct signal to a Video Hard Copy Unit made by Tektronix, model 4632. The thermal printer generated photo images of both phases of each frame. A ten second portion of the video tape requires 600 single copy prints. Each print is measured to define altitude, flight path, rotation characteristics, frequency of beacon lights, ring aberrations, attitude in flight, air speed/velocity, acceleration/deceleration and an analysis of direction reversals. A preliminary analysis of the audio track indicated that no sound could be identified with the object. More sophisticated equipment is being sought. A preliminary analysis concludes that the object observed in the video tape closely resembles objects photographed with the Polaroid cameras. The object has a clockwise or left to right rotation. The dome or beacon light blinks on and off at no consistent rate or pattern and displays a variable luminosity with each cycle. The object loses altitude moving to the left of the camera just prior to blinking out. A ghost image appears in the first phase of the next frame approximately two object widths to the right that may be related but is apparently not visible through the transmission medium. There are certain restrictions in the evaluation of the video tape. Due to the horizontal resolution lines, we are viewing the object through what is analogous to jail bars turned sideways. Nonetheless it appears conclusive that the bottom or power source light has a variable luminosity characteristic which is not synchronic with the beacon light on top of the object. As an experienced robotics technician I've built many remote controlled devices in the past ten years. As a prototype designer I am well versed in exotic techniques used to operate various sizes of apparatus from very small to very large using sometimes inexpensive semi-automated frequency controlled equipment. The specifications detailed in this case, most notably the absence of audible sound from the UFO craft in the 8mm home video and the rotational characteristic, create enormous difficulty when an attempt is made to re-create what is observed by constructing a model to examine the technology. Further research is continuing in many areas relating to this photographic sightings case. It is quite clear to this investigator that we are examining a truly anomalous technology. On May 9th, 1988, I initiated an official appeal for assistance through the Office of the President of the United States and various members of the Sanate and House of Representatives. Government or at least military interest in the events that were occurring in Gulf Breeze, Florida was quite apparent in light of newspaper reports bearing photographs of vessels with elaborate radar gear, military vehicles with telescoping radar gear (all deployed in the vicinity of the sightings) and a reported visit to the primary photographer's residence by purported officials requesting original photographic materials. Responses received from the Office of the Secretary of the Navy revealed concern over evidence of federal airspace rules violations, responses from congressional representation revealed concern over human rights violations. The Office of the Chief of Naval Operations (Air Warfare) ultimately declined to investigate citing scarce Navy financial and personnel resources. It might be interesting to note that in a civilian capacity, Navy physicist, Dr. Bruce S. Maccabee conducted an extensive photo analysis of the evidence and found no evidence contrary to the existence of anomalous objects in the photographs. Bob Oechsler UFO Investigator, Researcher, Broadcast Reporter Annapolis, Maryland PRELIMINARY UFO REPORT DATE: March 5, 1988 TIME: Between 9:20 and 9:25 P.M. LOCATION: West Seattle, Washington DURATION: 1-3 minutes SOURCE OF SIGHTING: UFO Reporting Center 206-722-3000 INVESTIGATOR: Donald A. Johnson, Ph.D., MUFON While crossing the street on foot from a corner convenience store a man and a woman observed a huge, metallic spherical-shaped object surrounded by a corona of bright blue light over the West Seattle golf course. They described the object as "as wide as a football field is long" (300 feet). They heard a humming sound, and estimated the altitude to be only 300 yards above the golf course. They reported being nearly knocked down by a car because they were standing there in the middle of the street "kind of mesmerized" by the sight of such a strange object so close to the ground in a populated area. The driver of the car who stopped got out and also watched the object. Together they watched the object for a period of approximately 30-40 seconds. It moved very quickly right, then left--in a zig-zag fashion as it gained altitude--and then departed very quickly into the upper atmosphere. The woman is in her thirties and works as a transit operator for the regional transit system. The man, her boyfriend, is in his forties. After the sighting they discussed what they had seen with the other witness. The other witness suggested that they not report it to anyone and drove off without giving his name. EOF -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!decwrl!pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: RE Faces of Mars Message-ID: <2879@shodha.enet.dec.com> Date: 10 Apr 91 13:56:28 GMT Sender: news@shodha.enet.dec.com Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 75 >Group alt.alien.visitors >article 432 06:55:57.42 available: 408 - 440 unread: 0 > >From: stevet@cbnewsc.att.com (stephen.e.turpin) >Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors >Subject: Re: Faces of Mars >Date: 9 Apr 91 18:24:37 GMT >Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories > >In article <2869@shodha.enet.dec.com> timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve >Timpson >|) writes: >> >> I just have to get in on this. For those of you who are buying into >>the "FACES ON MARS" BS I have some land in Florida I'll sell you. >> >>This stuff is pure Pulp Magazine clap trap which caters to the weak >>minded and the childish. Grow up folks! >> >>Steve > > >First of all, it's "FACE ON MARS", not FACES. > >Second of all, why do you say it is garbage? Have you read the book or >seen >the video? > >Steve Turpin Well before I get into this let me state that I do believe in UFO's and I have seen what I believe to be a UFO back in 1975. Regarding the "FACE ON MARS" thing let me ask you a question: Where do we see most of if not all of the information on this so called "FACE"? FACE ON MARS! FACE ON MARS IS TRYING TO SPEAK! GRAVE YARD ON THE MOON! Answer: In Star Magazine and Enquirer. Right along with the story about the two headed goat that started it's own church and conquered Bulgaria. These are cheap sensationalist magazines/ pulp news papers that make up 90% of what they publish and then don't even substantiate the other 10%. This so called "FACE" is a Mountain with three depression that when the shadows are right will look like a face. In all likely hood the mountain is an extinct Volcano with three calderas which form the face. Now being an amateur astronomer and seeing as I subscribe to a number of astronomical journals and seeing as "NONE" of these journals chose to even give this so called "FACE" so much as a single word of note should be telling you something. Next. Why in the hell should any race of beings who have traveled untold numbers of light-years make such and idiotic display as a "FACE" on Mars? For Gods sake people wake up and smell the coffee! If you are buying into this you are only lining the pockets of charlatans who are out to make a buck off the gullible. As to whether I have read the book or seen the video. No I haven't and I am not going to wast my money purchasing either. If somebody wants to send me them I will be happy to review them and responed to them here in this file. Also if you want to send me $10 I will let you know all about the alien grave yard discovered on the Moon. ;^) Steve Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!emory!att!cbfsb!cbnewsc!stevet From: stevet@cbnewsc.att.com (stephen.e.turpin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: RE Faces of Mars Message-ID: <1991Apr10.222428.1775@cbnewsc.att.com> Date: 10 Apr 91 22:24:28 GMT References: <2879@shodha.enet.dec.com> Distribution: usa Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 11 I agree with you about seeing stuff like this in the STAR. I did not get this info from your original posting. But, I have seen a video of a presentation to NASA by Dr. Richard Hoaglund that is pretty interesting. He also has written a book. He has been studying the FACE on Mars for about seven years, I think. There also has been several TV shows and (reliable/serious) newspaper articles on this subject. I am surprised that you have not seen any!! There will be more investigation of the FACE by the Mars mission in 1992. Stay tuned. Steve Turpin Path: ns-mx!shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!rblack From: rblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu (Roger Black) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: RE Faces of Mars Message-ID: <5422@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> Date: 11 Apr 91 01:40:29 GMT References: <2879@shodha.enet.dec.com> Sender: news@ns-mx.uiowa.edu Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 89 In article <2879@shodha.enet.dec.com>, timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) writes regarding the Face on Mars: |> |> Where do we see most of if not all of the information on this so called |> "FACE"? ... |> |> Answer: In Star Magazine and Enquirer. Right along with the story about |> the two headed goat that started it's own church and conquered Bulgaria. The Star and the Enquirer also carry lots of crap about the Kennedy family. Do we therefore conclude that the Kennedy family is a hoax? Or rather do we conclude (correctly) that they are being exploited without their consent? "Most if not all" of the information on the Martian Face is derived from the work of a handful of dedicated researchers who have spent years examining the original NASA photographs with every approach they can think of. Despite massive ridicule and attempts at suppression, they have not only managed to gain ground for their thesis but have also interested NASA itself in pursuing the matter further. If you have not read any of their work, you are (to put it kindly) speaking from ignorance. |> This so called "FACE" is a Mountain with three depression that when the |> shadows are right will look like a face. In all likely hood the mountain |> is an extinct Volcano with three calderas which form the face. Which issue of the Enquirer did you get *this* bit of misinformation from? |> Now being an amateur astronomer and seeing as I subscribe to a number of |> astronomical journals and seeing as "NONE" of these journals chose to |> even give this so called "FACE" so much as a single word of note should |> be telling you something. What it tells me is that most scientific journals are afraid to deal with controversial material because they know that small-minded people will cancel their subscriptions or flood them with hate mail. (If you doubt this, take a look at the reader response to issues of "Science" and "Science News" which dared to take the Shroud of Turin seriously.) There are exceptions, however. A few years ago the reputable journal "Applied Optics" carried a long article by Mark Carlotto of Analytic Sciences in Boston, which examined the Martian Face photographs using computer analysis and enhancement. Carlotto's results indicated that the Martian Face is bilaterally symmetrical; that "fine structure in the mouth suggests that teeth are apparent"; and that the facial features are not a transient phenomenon caused by shadowing but rather a genuine part of the underlying topography. (Applied Optics, volume 27, p. 1926. Go look it up if you don't believe me. If you can't find it, see the summary in the 7 July 1988 issue of "New Scientist".) |> Next. Why in the hell should any race of beings who have traveled untold |> numbers of light-years make such and idiotic display as a "FACE" on Mars? I don't know. Why would the Egyptians spend a hundred years on such an "idiotic display" as piling up millions of tons of rock to make a bunch of pyramids? Why did the city of St. Louis build the Gateway Arch? It's hard for us to fathom why *people* do such silly things some times. What makes you think we can even guess at the motives of an alien race? For that matter, who said they had to travel "untold numbers of light years" to get to Mars? Maybe they were local boys. |> For Gods sake people wake up and smell the coffee! If you are buying into |> this you are only lining the pockets of charlatans who are out to make a |> buck off the gullible. This borders on a libel. One ought to use the word "charlatan" carefully, as any good skeptic will tell you. Lawyers love that kind of language. |> As to whether I have read the book or seen the video. No I haven't and I |> am not going to wast my money purchasing either. If somebody wants to |> send me them I will be happy to review them and responed to them here in |> this file. If you don't want to waste your money, go down to your local library and look up a book called "The Monuments of Mars: A city on the edge of forever" by Richard C. Hoagland. Some of Hoagland's stuff is rank speculation, but a lot of it is solidly based in fact. If you haven't read it, or the work of some of his professional peers, then you simply haven't earned the right to an opinion on the subject. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Black rblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu Disclaimer: My employer doesn't even know I have any opinions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 489 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!apple!spies!joshua From: joshua@spies.sf-bay.org (Joshua Geller) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Faces of Mars Message-ID: <1991Apr10.185623.8985@spies.sf-bay.org> Date: 10 Apr 91 18:56:23 GMT References: <2869@shodha.enet.dec.com> Organization: Spies in the wire, (408) 867-7400 Lines: 27 In article <2869@shodha.enet.dec.com> timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) writes: |> I just have to get in on this. For those of you who are buying into |>the "FACES ON MARS" BS I have some land in Florida I'll sell you. Ah. Am I to assume you have actually read Richard Hoagland's book? |>This stuff is pure Pulp Magazine clap trap which caters to the weak |>minded and the childish. Grow up folks! And examined the nature of the evidence, weighed it, and come to this well considered conclusion? Or do you feel this is unnecessary? josh |>Steve *@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@* @ Joshua Geller | joshua@spies.sf-bay.org | USMail: Seattle, WA 98102-1752 @ *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* @ Geller's Law: | "If I had a steel Q-tip, I would stuff it in @ * "Never postulate conspiracy | my ear, run 10,000 volts and channel god." * @ when stupidity will explain |_______________________________________Spamgod @ * the known facts."|"This wallpaper is killing me. One of us has got to go." * @<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>Oscar Wilde's last words @ *@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@* Article: 4852 of alt.conspiracy Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INFO: List of UFO Books Message-ID: <8508@crash.cts.com> Date: 11 Apr 91 09:57:32 GMT References: <1991Apr10.030723.24502@bilver.uucp> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 33 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:490 alt.conspiracy:4852 Have any of you seen the book "Behold a Pale Horse" by William Cooper I was told it had some UFO connection details, but showed more of the human activity side of things behind closed doors, as possibly relate to seemingly malevolent behavior by both human and alien parties in jointly operated facilities. I would be concerned that any such situation could backfire against the humans. from: Wiiliam Cooper POB 3299 Camp Verde, AZ 86322 USA $22 or the book: "MATRIX II" by Valdamar Valerian it is said to have a very complete collection of alien related info as well as goverment connection factors. I would like some feedback in relation to very well tested details as some of you may have. It could be a bomb shell or ? from: Arcturus Book Service in association with Navada Arial Research Group in Las Vegas? POB 81407, Las Vegas, Nevada 89180-1407 Avail from: Arcturus Book Service POB 831383, Stone Mountain, GA 30083-0023, USA $50(?) It was suggested that these books would be very VERY informative, and reveal much to do with the current world afairs and their movers at the deepest levels. Article: 491 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Faces of Mars Message-ID: <8509@crash.cts.com> Date: 11 Apr 91 10:11:38 GMT References: <2879@shodha.enet.dec.com> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 3 Steve, did the U.S. and Russia successfully send a joint probe to mars before 1970? Article: 492 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UNARIUS Message-ID: <8511@crash.cts.com> Date: 11 Apr 91 12:17:05 GMT References: <1991Apr9.183047.29166@cbnewsc.att.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 52 In <1991Apr9.183047.29166@cbnewsc.att.com> stevet@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (stephen.e.turpin) writes: >Does anyone have any info on UNARIUS. I heard a guy on the radio, this >morning, that said this group believes that visitors from 33 planets outside >this solar system will land on Earth during the year 2001. There will be >1000 beings from each planet. Pretty wild, huh? >UNARIUS people also believe in channeling. >The headquarters is in El Cajon, CA. >Steve Turpin I looked their place over once. I cann't speak for anyone else, but my impression was that the founder, by the name of Ernest L. Norman was a person who had it together more than most as he was at home with mechanics and electronics besides channeling. (I think it helps to have an engineering mind as well as paranormal abilities) Anyway, there were some books authored by him that showed unusual insights, but after his passing the activity was taken over by his wife Ruth Norman, at which time it appears to me that some significant `clearity' was lost in terms of their enterprise and the subsiquent group that developed into a following in El Cajon, CA. It's possible others used the more correct interpretation of the earlier books by Ernest Norman in a rational applied manner as he seemed to intend, but the example at the center in El Cajon appears on the part of the present leaders(?) and some members to have missed the real point of application, as they seem to have fallen into a worship mind set which is backwards. I feel that much petty human based static may still exist there. You might find a few books of some value, but they would be the exceptions. There is an old fellow there by the name of Charles Speigle(sp?) who seems to be on some dominance trip, and the one Ruth likely has no real control over him, and she's in poor health. It's a sad situation, and many there are not that sharp in their thinking, or they are hoping for the ice to break with some individuals there. Their last address that I know of was: 145 S. Magnolia Ave. El Cajon, CA 92021 Much of the material in their books appears to associate itself with factors connected to a physics(?) of reincarnation and past histories back in proported times of an Orion Empire of very long ago and then up to more recent times. I cann't speak to many details as they are presently beyound my scientific methods of scope, as they reference areas still subject to revisionist history or updates to be made from some yet to be revealed alien/earth based archives being kept secret from public view. Wish I could tell you a more positive story, such is my experience, for what it's worth. Article: 493 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UNARIUS Message-ID: <8512@crash.cts.com> Date: 11 Apr 91 12:34:32 GMT References: <1991Apr9.183047.29166@cbnewsc.att.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 13 I don't mean to say that their books that relate contacts with each of 33 planets and their resolving of problems in their societies don't have some possible basis in the continum of reality and alternate or assiciated timelines, but only wish to say I can't formally prove them one way or the other, and further, that the channel(s?) there, when I looked in, were not all that clear most of the time, nor were they very technical. I had to channel, if you will, on my own to get any technical understanding as they could only handle simple english. If you will, they weren't good at fixing faucets like Richard Feynman(sp?) was, he was better with safes too. Article: 494 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Faces of Mars Message-ID: <2887@shodha.enet.dec.com> Date: 11 Apr 91 17:18:43 GMT Sender: news@shodha.enet.dec.com Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 10 In article <8509@crash.cts.com>, benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) writes... > >Steve, did the U.S. and Russia successfully send a joint probe to mars >before 1970? Are you directing this question at me? If so the answer is no. I can get a article on the subject of the Soviet Mars missions. Steve T. Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!att!fang!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: INFO: Operation Majority by William Milton Cooper Keywords: Read at your own risk! Message-ID: <1991Apr11.033543.3221@bilver.uucp> Date: 11 Apr 91 03:35:43 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 727 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:495 alt.conspiracy:4867 I'm presenting this file written in 1988..read and make up your own mind :-) NOTE: Posted here *without* the author's express written consent. ---------------Begin included text-------------------------------- OPERATION MAJORITY (C) - COPYRIGHT 1989 BY MILTON WILLIAM COOPER ALL RIGHTS RESERVED YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO USE SHORT QUOTES FROM THIS INFOR- MATION IN PRESS RELEASES, PERIODICALS, AND SPEECHES. INCLUSION IN ANY OTHER MEDIA REQUIRES MY EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMISSION. This file contains the absolute true information regarding the alien presence on earth and the US Governments involvement with the aliens. This file contains only the information as I saw it and only my information. It does not contain any information from any other source. It was neccessary for me to issue the information previous to this release in a manner which would deceive the Government until someone was able to independently confirm my identity, my employment, my service record, my intelligence background, the identity of the person to which I gave the information to in 1972, his acknowledgment of the information and when it was given to him, that the information is correct, that I have not seen him since 1974, and that I have not communicated with him in any form since 1976. This was neccesary because this file is my death warrant if MJ-12 continues to operate in a manner consistant with its history. All in the last paragraph has been independently verified by 2 different people who have no connection with each other. I will only list one for obvious reasons. Tony Pelham, Journalist Las Vegas Bullet, (Newspaper) 300 West Boston Las Vegas, Nevada 89102 The original information that I first released was not much different than what you will find here. Only some names were different and just enough (I hoped) to convince MJ-12 and MAJI that I was not a threat long enough to have independent verification of the facts before I risked death. I wish to make it absolutly clear that I do not consider myself a hero. I believe that most of you would do the same thing if you knew the truth. I gave an oath that I would uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States of America and I take that oath very seriously. I am doing no more now than I did when I fought in Vietnam. I am doing my duty. Please make copies of this file and send it to your Congressman, your Senator, the Attorney General of the United States, and to the Supreme Court. Send it also to everyone you know. Attach copies of the Bill English file and John Lear's file. Send anything else you may have which tends to support the information. I Milton William Cooper, 1311 S. Highland #205, Fullerton, California, 92632, (714) 680-9537, do solemnly swear that the information contained in this file is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. I swear that I saw this information in 1972 in the performance of my duties as a member of the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander In Chief of the Pacific Fleet as a Petty Officer in the US Navy. I swear that I underwent hypnotic regression in order to make the information as accurate as possible. I swear that I can and will take a lie detector test or any other test of any reputable persons choosing in order to confirm this information. I swear that I can and will undergo hypnotic regression conducted by any reputable and qualified Doctor of any reputable persons choosing in order to confirm this information. I will not, however submit to any test or hypnosis by anyone who is now or has ever been connected with the Government in any capacity for obvious reasons. The following a is brief listing of everything that I personally saw and know from 1972 and does not contain any input from any other source whatsoever. MAJESTY was listed as the code word for the President of the United States for communications concerning this information. OPERATION MAJORITY is the name of the operation responsible for every aspect, project, and consequence of alien presence on earth. GRUDGE Contains 16 volumes of documented information collected from the beginning of the United States investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO's) and Identified Alien Crafts (IAC). The project was funded by CIA confidential funds (non-appropriated) and money from the illicit drug trade. Participation in the illegal drug trade was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of our society. The purpose of project GRUDGE was to collect all scientific, technological, medical and intelligence information from UFO/IAC sightings and contacts with alien life forms. This orderly file of collected information has been used to advance the United States Space Program. MJ-12 is the name of the secret control group. President Eisenhower commissioned a secret society known as THE JASON SOCIETY (JASON SCHOLARS) under the leadership of the Director of Central Intelligence (Allen Welsh Dulles), Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski (President of the Trilateral Commission from 1973 until 1976), and Dr. Henry Kissinger (leader of the scientific effort), to sift through all the facts, evidence, technology, lies and deception and find the truth of the alien question. The society was made up of 32 of the most prominent men in the country and the top 12 members were designated MJ-12. MJ-12 has total control of everything. They are designated by the code J-1, J-2, J-3, etc all the way through the members of the Jason Society. The director of Central Intelligence was appointed J-1 and is the Director of MJ-12. MJ-12 is responsible only to the President. MJ-12 runs most of the worlds illegal drug trade. This was done to hide funding and thus keep the secret from the Congress and the people of the United States. It was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of our society. The cost of funding the alien connected projects is higher than anything you can imagine. MJ-12 asasinated President Kennedy when he informed them that he was going to tell the public all the facts of the alien presence. He was killed by the Secret Service agent driving his car and it is plainly visible in the film held from public view. A secret meeting place was constructed for MJ-12 in MARYLAND and it was described as only accessible by air. It contains full living, recreational, and other facilitys for MJ-12 and the JASON SOCIETY. It is code named "THE COUNTRY CLUB". The land for "THE COUNTRY CLUB" was donated by the Rockefeller family. Only those with TOP SECRET/MAJIC clearance are allowed to go there. MAJI is the MAJORITY AGENCY FOR JOINT INTELLIGENCE. All information, disinformation, and intelligence is gathered and evaluated by this agency. This agency is responsible for all disinformation and operates in conjunction with the CIA, NSA the Defense Intelligence Agency, and the Office of Naval Intelligence. This is a very powerful organization and all alien projects are under its control. MAJI is responsible only to MJ-12. SIGMA is the project which first established communications with the aliens and is still responsible for communications. PLATO is the project responsible for Diplomatic relations with the aliens. This project secured a formal treaty (illegal under the Constitution) with the aliens. The terms were that the aliens would give us technology and would not interfere in our history. In return we agreed to keep their presence on earth a secret, not to interfere in any way with thier actions, and to allow them to abduct humans and animals. The aliens agreed to furnish MJ-12 with a list of abductees on a periodic basis. MAJIC is the security classification and clearance of all alien connected material, projects, and information. MAJIC means MAJI controlled. AQUARIUS is a project which compiled the history of alien presence and their interaction with Homo Sapiens upon this planet for the last 25,000 years and culminating with the Basque people who live in the mountainous country on the border of France and Spain and the Syrians or Assyrians. GARNET is the project responsible for control of all information and documents regarding this subject and accountability of the information and documents. PLUTO is a project to evaluate all UFO/IAC information pertaining to space technology. POUNCE, this project was formed to recover all downed/crashed craft and aliens. This project provided cover stories and operations to mask the true endeavor when neccessary. Covers which have been used: crashed experimental aircraft, construction, mining, etc. this project has been successful. This project is ongoing. LUNA is the alien base on the far side of the Moon. It was seen and filmed by the Apollo Astronauts. A base, a mining operation using very large machines, and the very large alien craft described in sighting reports as MOTHER SHIPS exist there. NRO is the National Recon Organization based at Fort Carson, Colorado. It is responsible for security for all alien or alien craft connected projects. DELTA is the designation for the specific arm of the NRO which is especially trained and tasked with security of these projects. BLUE TEAM------THE FIRST PROJECT RESPONSIBLE FOR REACTION/RECOVERY OF DOWNED/CRASHED ALIEN CRAFT AND/OR ALIENS. THIS WAS AN AIR FORCE MATERIAL COMMAND PROJECT. SIGN-----------THE SECOND PROJECT RESPONSIBLE FOR COLLECTION OF INTELLIGENCE AND DETERMINING WHETHER ALIEN PRESENCE CONSTITUTED A THREAT TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY. SIGN ABSORBED BLUE TEAM. THIS WAS AN AIR FORCE/CIA PROJECT. REDLIGHT-------MISSION WAS TO TEST FLY RECOVERED ALIEN CRAFT THIS PROJECT WAS POSTPONED AFTER EVERY ATTEMPT RESULTED IN DESTRUCTION OF THE CRAFT AND DEATH OF THE PILOTS. THIS PROJECT WAS CARRIED OUT AT AREA 51 IN NEVADA (GROOM LAKE/DREAMLAND). PROJECT REDLIGHT WAS RESUMED IN 1972. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PARTIALLY SUCCESSFUL. UFO SIGHTINGS OF CRAFT ACCOMPANIED BY BLACK HELICOPTORS ARE PROJECT REDLIGHT ASSETS. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING AT AREA 51 IN NEVADA. SNOWBIRD-------Established as a COVER for Project REDLIGHT. A flying saucer "TYPE" craft was built using conventional technology. It was unvieled to the press and flown in public on several occassions. The purpose was to explain accidental sightings or disclosures of REDLIGHT as having been the SNOWBIRD craft. This was a very successful disinformation operation. This Project is only activated when needed. It has not been used for many years. This project is currently in mothballs until needed again. BLUE BOOK------THIS WAS AN AIR FORCE UFO/ALIEN INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION AND DISINFORMATION PROJECT. THIS PROJECT WAS TERMINATED AND ITS COLLECTED INFORMATION AND DUTIES WERE ABSORBED BY PROJECT AQUARIUS. CLASSIFIED REPORT NAMED "GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13" IS THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION DERIVED FROM THE PROJECT AND IS UNAVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. (FROM WHAT I READ FROM BILL ENGLISH IT SEEMS THAT HE REALLY SAW THIS REPORT AS HE DESCRIBES THE SAME INFORMATION THAT I SAW IN "GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13.) JOSHUA is a project to develop a low frequency pulsed sound generating weapon. It was said that this weapon would be effective against the alien craft and beam weapons. EXCALIBUR is a weapon to destroy the alien underground bases. It is to be a missile capable of penetrating 1000 meters of Tufa/hard packed soil such as that found in New Mexico with no operational damage. Missile appogee not to exceed 30,000 feet AGL and impact must not deviate in excess of 50 meters from designated target. The device will carry a 1 megaton nuclear warhead. ALIENS, there were 4 types of aliens mentioned in the papers. A LARGE NOSED GREY with whom we have the treaty, the GREY reported in abductee cases that works for the LARGE NOSED GREY, a blond human like type described as the NORDIC, a red haired human like type called the ORANGE. The homes of the aliens were described as being a star in the Constellation of Orion, Barnards star, and Zeta Riticuli 1&2. I cannot remember even under hypnosis which alien belongs to which star. EBE is the name or designation given to the live alien captured at the 1949 Roswell crash. He died in captivity. KRLL OR KRLLL OR CRLL OR CRLLL pronounced Crill or Krill was the hostage left with us at the first Holloman landing as a pledge that the aliens would carry out their part of the basic agreement reached during that meeting. KRLL gave us the foundation of the yellow book which was completed by the guests at a later date. KRLL became sick and was nursed by Dr. G. Mendoza who became the expert on alien biology and medicine. KRLL later died (I'm not to sure of his death as this memory may be a carry over from EBE). His information was diseminated under the pseudonym O.H. Cril or Crill. KRLL became the Alien Ambassador to the United States. GUESTS were aliens exchanged for humans who gave us the balance of the yellow book. At the time I saw the information there were only 3 left alive. They were called (ALF's) Alien Life Forms. RELIGION The aliens claim to have created Homo Sapiens through hybridization. The papers said that RH- blood was proof of this. They further claimed to have created all of our major religions. They showed a hologram of the crucifixion of Christ which the Government filmed. They claim that Jesus was created by them. ALIEN BASES exist in the four corners area of Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona. Six bases were described in the 1972 papers, all on indian reservations and all in the four corners area. The base near Dulce was one of them. MURDER The documents stated that many military and government personnel had been terminated (murdered without due process of law) when they had attempted to reveal the secret. CRAFT RECOVERYS The documents stated that many craft had been recovered. The early ones from Roswell, Aztec, Roswell again, Texas, Mexico, and other places. GENERAL DOOLITTLE made a prediction that one day we would have to reckon with the aliens and the document stated that it appeared that General Doolittle was correct. ABDUCTIONS were occurring long before 1972. The document stated that humans and animals were being abducted and or mutilated. Many vanished without a trace. They were taking sperm and ova samples, tissue, performed surgical operations, implanted a spherical device 40 to 80 microns in size near the optic nerve in the brain and all attempts to remove it resulted in the death of the patient. The document estimated that 1 in every 40 people had been implanted. This implant was said to give the aliens total control of that human. CONTINGENCY PLAN SHOULD THE INFORMATION BECOME PUBLIC OR SHOULD THE ALIENS ATTEMPT TAKEOVER. This plan called for a public announcement that a terrorist group had entered the United States with an Atomic weapon. It would be announced that the terrorists planned to detonate the weapon in a major city. Martial Law would be declared and all persons with implants would be rounded up along with all dissidents and would be placed into concentration camps. The press, redio, and TV would be nationalized and controlled. Anyone attempting to resist would be arrested or killed. CONTINGENCY PLAN TO CONTAIN OR DELAY RELEASE OF INFORMATION This plan called for the use of MAJESTIC TWELVE as a disinformation ploy to delay and confuse the release of information should anyone get close to the truth. It was selected because of the similarity of spelling and the similarity to MJ-12. It was designed to confuse memory and to result in a fruitless search for material which did not exist. I have information now (its about time) that the existance of Project Joshua has been confirmed. The weapon was developed and assembled at Ling Tempco Vought in Anahiem California. It was described to me as being able to totally level ANY man made structure from a distance of 2 miles. It was tested at White Sands Proving grounds. It was developed between 1975 and 1978. It is a long horn shaped device connected to a computer and amplifiers. LTV has since moved from its Anaheim facility which was near the Grand Hotel across the street from Disneyland. I have also confirmed the existance of an alien craft at a hanger at Edwards AFB. The hanger is at North Base. It has been guarded by NON Edwards personnel (NRO - DELTA). The guards had a badge that was red with a black triangle on the face of the badge. No one was allowed near the hanger without the badge. These people are no longer guarding the hanger. The Edwards security force are instructed to check the hanger each hour and report status. The hanger is locked and no one is allowed inside. Edwards security personnel have been instructed never to enter the hanger even if it has been broken into. I have also confirmed the esistance of alien material at a hanger at Edwards AFB. . . . . . . ... . . O . O . ... ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ............. . . . On craft & uniforms Marks bases and landing sites This is one of the insignia that is on the alien craft. It is called a TRILATERAL insignia. I do not know what it means. It is in GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13 and my sources confirm that this is the alien flag so to speak. MALEVOLENT ALIEN LIFE FORM (ALF) DESCRIPTION The typical MALEVOLENT (ALF) as represented thus far can be described as follows: 1. Between 3 to 5 ft. in hieght. 2. Erect standing biped. Long thin legs. 3. Small build (thin). 4. Head larger than normal (to human proportions). 5. Absence of auditory lobes (external earlobes). 6. Absence of body hair. 7. Large, tear shaped eyes, opacque black with veretical slit pupils (cats eye). 8. Eyes slanted approx 35 degrees 9. Small straight mouth, thin lips. 10. Arms resemble praying mantis (normal attitude). Arms reach to knees (extended). 11. Long hands (small palm) 12. Claw like fingers, two short, two long. (webbed) 13. Tough, gray skin, reptile like in texture. 14. Small feet, 4 small claw like toes. 15. Some Organs are similar to humans but developed in a different evolutionary process. 16. The most significant finding is that they have a Nonfunctioning digestive system and two separate brains. Digestive system in those examined were atrophied. Conforms to absence of provisions in recovered craft. (Prelininary finding) 17. Movement is deliberate, slow, precise. 18. (Secondary finding after study) Alien subsistance requires that they must have human blood and other human biological substances to survive. In extreme circumstances they can subsist on other animal fluids. Food is converted to energy by chlorophyl through photosynthesis and waste products are excreted through skin. (Did they evolve from plant life? Not known at this time.) These creatures possess two separate brains separated by mid cranial lateral bone partition (anterior brain - posterior brain) with no apparent connection between the two. GUEST-----------ALIEN LIFE FORM HELD PRISONER IN AN AREA KNOWN AS THE ICE CAVE AT LOS ALAMOS, NEW MEXICO. THERE WERE ORIGINALLY 16 CAPTIVE ALIENS HELD AT THIS LOCATION. 15 HAVE DIED. THE ALIEN "GUESTS" FURNISHED EXTENSIVE INFORMATION ON THE ALIENS AND THEIR HISTORY WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE "YELLOW BOOK". THESE "GUESTS" WERE INDEED FED ICE CREAM AND LIKED STRAWBERRY ABOVE ALL OTHER FLAVORS. THESE ALIENS WERE HELD IN EXCHANGE FOR 16 HUMANS WHO BECAME "GUESTS" OF THE ALIENS NO INFORMATION REGARDING THE HUMAN "GUESTS" IS AVAILABLE FROM ANY SOURCE. THE "GUESTS" ENJOY MUSIC OF A FAR EASTERN NATURE AND ESPECIALLY ENJOY MUSIC WHICH ORIGINATES FROM TIBET. THEY POSSESS AN EXTREMELY HIGH IQ WHICH IS IN THE 200 RANGE. THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO LIE. RELIGION--------THE ALIENS CLAIM THAT MAN IS A HYBRID CREATED BY THEM. THEY CLAIM THAT ALL RELIGION WAS CREATED BY THEM TO HASTEN THE FORMATION OF A CIVILIZED CULTURE AND TO CONTROL THE HUMAN RACE. THEY CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS A PRODUCT OF THEIR EFFORTS. THE ALIENS HAVE FURNISHED PROOF OF THESE CLAIMS AND HAVE A DEVICE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO SHOW AUDIBLY AND VISUALLY ANY PART OF HISTORY THAT THEY OR WE WISH TO SEE. THEY CLAIM THAT RH- BLOOD IS THE PROOF OF HYBRIDIZATION AND OUR OWN SCIENCE TENDS TO BEAR OUT THEIR CLAIM. This file contains the; (1) My reason for releasing this information to the public, (2) My credentials, (3) The existance of one other person to whom I gave the information in 1972 in anticipation of one day needing to validate the information. (1) I have 2 reasons for releasing this information at this time. (A) When I first saw the information I was sure that the government would handle the situation and not allow the people to be abducted, injured, or just disappear. My belief in the government has proven false. Not only has it not been handled but the situation has deteriorated and the incidents have increased worldwide. What has happened is against the Constitution of the United States of America which I have sworn to uphold and protect. What is happening is against every law in every state. What is happening violates the human rights of every citizen of the world. It could happen to any member or members of my family or your family at any time. I am a loyal american and have never divulged any of my countrys secrets and except for this one I never will. I do not believe that revealing this secret is against the law as the secret itself violates every law that has ever been written. Senator Barry Goldwater was the Chairman of the Senate Commitee which aproved funds for the CIA and has stated publicly that he has no knowledge of any of this. That means and it is a fact that the Congress is ignorant of what is going on. In fact I believe that it is my duty to expose it as thoroughly and as quickly as possible. I only regret that I have waited so long. I waited because I believed so much in our system of government. THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAS BETRAYED ALL OF US. (B) In my efforts to get the information out it became obvious that soon the government would discover what I am doing and my life would be in danger. I believe that my life is now in danger and the only way to protect myself is to go public with the information. I realize that the information is hard to swallow and that many people will not believe it. I also realize that I have exposed myself to ridicule. So be it. If I am prosecuted or harmed in any way you all will know that the information is correct. If I suddenly disappear you will all know that the information is correct. (2) I am the son of an Air Force officer and was reared on Air Force bases all over the world. My father was a pilot. As a child I repeatedly overheard pilots and airmen discuss strange stories involving UFO's, Foo Fighters, strange crashes of craft "not from here", and other subjects that were exciting to me at the time. I graduated from High School in Japan and shortly there-after joined the Air Force. I finished basic at Lackland Air Force Base and was assigned to the Strategic Air Command. I was an Aircraft and Missile Pneudraulic Technician. During my training instructors would regale us with tales of lonely nights spent on flight lines, alert pads, and missile silos. They told of strange alien craft that would come down and paralyse the men on station and then remove the warhead from the missile and disappear at fantastic speed. I met a sargeant who told me that he was part of a team that transported such a large crashed disk that it could only be moved at night on back roads and fences and poles had to be torn down and replaced as the convoy passed. I listened to all these stories and wondered what was going on but didn't really believe them. I was discharged from the Air Force in 1965. I was very adventurous at the time and joined the navy in December of 1965. I volunteered for submarines and was assigned to the USS Tiru (SS-416) at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. On a cruise to the Portland Seattle area, while on lookout a UFO the size of an Aircraft carrier rose up out of the water and disappeared into the clouds while we were on the surface and I was the Port lookout. It descended back down into the water and rose back up into the clouds again several times. It was witnessed by myself, The Starboard lookout, The Officer of the deck, The Captain, and the Chief Quartermaster who took pictures. We were told not to discuss it with anyone ever. Upon docking at Pearl upon our return a man in plain clothes came aboard and talked to each of us with only the Captain present. He identified himself as an Intelligence Officer (ONI) and asked me what I saw. I began to tell him and he yelled at me to stop and then he again asked me what I saw. I told him that I had not seen anything and he smiled at me and told me I was a very good sailor. He told me that was the right answer and dismissed me. I soon grew tired of the cramped quarters of a Submarine and de-volunteered. The rest of my history is as follows. My primary military occupation is Quartermaster (Navigation) My secondary NEC is 9545 (Internal Security) Uss Tombigbee (AOG-11) Pacific and Vietnam sea duty. Camp Carter, Vietnam Naval Security and Intelligence Danang Harbor Patrol (gather intelligence and secure the harbor) and Cua Viet (DMZ) river patrol duty (gather intelligence and secure the river) USS Charles Berry DE-1035 Pacific sea duty CINCPACFLT STAFF Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet Staff - OPSTAT reporting and Naval Intelligence Briefing Team Petty Officer of the Watch in the Command Center USS Oriskany CVA-35 Pacific sea duty. Honorable Discharge December 1975 Rank E-6 Since leaving the navy I have worked at several companies engaged in work for the government or the intelligence community. Some of this work involved training foreign military personnel. I have also obtained a college degree in photography. This is a field I have long been interested in. I am not now connected with the government or the intelligence community except for friends that I have made over the years. Most recently I have been involved in management of civilian training facilities. Admissions Representative Airco technical Institute Long Beach, California Admissions Representative Adelphi Business College Anaheim, California Executive Director Adelphi Business College Van Nuys, California Marketing Executive United Education & Software Encino, California Executive Director Pacific Coast Technical Institute Anaheim, California Executive Director Currently The institute where I am presently employed is known to 3 of you and I do not wish it to be disclosed as the release of this information could have adverse affects upon my employment. (3) In 1972 I related this information to one other person for self protection and so that the information could be verified at some latter date should the government not handle the situation. I gave him the information on the eve of my wedding. The last person to person contact I had with him was in 1974. The last contact of ANY kind was in 1976 or 1977 by phone. I have not seen him, written to him, phoned him, or had any contact with him at all since that time. I maintained this distance to prevent any accusation of collusion or hoax should it ever be neccessary to release the information. I also did it for his protection so that he would not be involved if the government should decide to harm me before the information could be released. I gave him a copy of the information in the form of a copy of an original document. I retained the other copy but mine was destroyed in a storage fire. He can and will verify the information to the right person with the right code (which we agreed upon) to release it. 3 of you have his name, the last place he lived in 1976, and the code. I will not contact him until the information is verified. He can validate my intelligence background and the information. He can state all of this truthfully and because of our seperation over the years will be able to pass any lie detector test to prove this is not a hoax. I would also be able to pass the same test or any other test, sodium pentathol etc. I have also received a call from a man named Christopher who called from an area code in Maryland. By his conversation with me on the phone I know that he has also seen the Majority information and the Grudge document. I also know that he is a member of Compuserve. That is all I know about him. I left out a graphic on the reconstructed document that I posted in my MAJIC file and he questioned the ommission. It is a minor detail that I did not think important but he spotted it. The only way he could have known that the graphic was missing would be that he has seen it himself. The graphic was 2 lightning bolts which strike at the bottom of the finned rocket which is enclosed in the circle. Since I could not put graphics in the document I only included a short description. I tested my father once by relating that I had seen information while in the navy that the Government had recovered UFO's which had crashed. I did this to guage his reaction because I knew that at one time when I was very little he was the radar Officer at White Sands Proving Ground. He gave me a very knowing look and advised me not to talk about it. I have never discussed the matter with him since. HISTORY WILL BE THE JUDGE OF ME AND THIS INFORMATION AND I HAVE NO FEAR OF THAT JUDGEMENT. I SWEAR THAT THIS INFORMATION IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. I wish to thank all those people who have aided me in reaching this point and for their patience and understanding. I owe you all more than I can ever repay. Finally, it does not matter who is right and who is wrong or if a project name is in the wrong place. It does not matter who is working for who or what is really what. It should be obvious by now that something sinister and terribly wrong is going on involving the government and the UFO phenomenon. We must all band together and expose it now. I have done my part in the best manner that I could. I can add nothing else except my testimony in Congress or a court of law that what I saw and have written in this file is true and that I saw it. COME FORWARD NOW IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WHICH WILL SUBSTANTIATE THIS INFORMATION. THIS MAY BE THE ONLY CHANCE TO EXPOSE THIS TERRIBLE SITUATION. IF I FAIL YOU ALL FAIL. Milton William Cooper (Bill) ------------------------------------------------------------------ EOF -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Article: 496 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!att!fang!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UNARIUS Message-ID: <1991Apr11.025418.2850@bilver.uucp> Date: 11 Apr 91 02:54:18 GMT References: <1991Apr9.183047.29166@cbnewsc.att.com> Distribution: usa Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 90 In article <1991Apr9.183047.29166@cbnewsc.att.com> stevet@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (stephen.e.turpin) writes: > >Does anyone have any info on UNARIUS. I heard a guy on the radio, this >morning, that said this group believes that visitors from 33 planets outside >this solar system will land on Earth during the year 2001. There will be >1000 beings from each planet. Pretty wild, huh? > >UNARIUS people also believe in channeling. > >The headquarters is in El Cajon, CA. > >Steve Turpin YES, he is known to us who frequent the UFO echoes of BAMA, Fido.UFO, ParaNet, UFINET, MUFONET, Smurfs and ET. Here's a little "blurb" about him that is from a full blown text file (that I will post in a day or so called "Mars.txt") ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Ernest L. Norman is the Cofounder of the Unarius Educational Foundation. From 1954 to 1971, with his wife, Ruth Norman, he pioneered the teaching of Interdimensional Physics, explaining the evolutionary nature of atoms and man, planets and solar systems, galaxies and universes. He authored the first twenty texts of the curriculum of the Unarius Academy of Science - teachings which explain the unified field theory - quantum mechanics, and the present theory of Superstrings! Dr. Norman as one who has attained Cosmic Consciousness, is an example of his teachings. Today, through the efforts of Ruth Norman (Uriel) the present Director of the Unarius Academy of Science, the curriculum has expanded to over 100 texts, adding immense knowledge to the reality of Consciousness and of its continuity after the completion of the cycle of physical life (or death) In 1977, Ruth Norman tuned in psychically to the underground cities on planet Mars, in thirty-three separate visions. This book titled THE UNDERGROUND CITIES OF MARS is a continuation and explanation of the truth about Mars, as it includes the realizations and flashbacks presented in the testimonials of persons who remembered their own experiences when they contacted the Martian civilization. ________________________________________________________________________ That should be enough of a "teaser" to hold you until I present the FULL Text (70K), which I will break up into 2 parts. I might add this: Some of the established UFO authors and a few people on the echoes are generally considered "nuts & bolts" types..that is, they *usually* will not consider channellings via the Pleaidians, the Ashtar Command, the Great White Brotherhood or the Great White Lodge on Sirius, or any -other- source to be considered valid. In fact, you could start a fair-sized flame war on ParaNet by just mentioning the Ashtar Command! I've been doing investigation for over 15 years and I do NOT consider myself an "expert" by any stretch of the imagination. My working library includes data from all types of people, from all different viewpoints and experiences. I find that if I come across a story from someone that is outside the mainstream of "explanation"..I just file it away and won't turf it like many others are fond of when they are ONLY looking for data that will fit *their* pet theories. To be sure, things must be checkable....it was only recently that Bob Lazar's Income Tax returns have been located, thus actaully proving that he DID work at Area51 at Dreamland (Nevada)...for a long time, many people would not believe his story..even though the press and media have carried it for a while. All I'm saying is to keep an OPEN mind, and don't get too carried away when you read the EXTREMES of the UFO phenomena, such as "Wild Bill" Cooper or John O Lear...Both Cooper and Lear,Wendelle Stevens,Bill English.etc...have made alot of WAVES with their statements, and it's up to the general public to read their material and make up their *own* mind.. My policy is strictly to provide the info as accurately as I can, present it to you and let YOU be the judge. Doesn't matter if you're a "true-blue" believer or a skeptic, both viewpoints should be presented in an open fashion for public scrutiny and discussion. Best Regards, Don -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Article: 4869 of alt.conspiracy Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!uwm.edu!linac!att!ucbvax!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INFO: List of UFO Books Message-ID: <8522@crash.cts.com> Date: 12 Apr 91 03:29:25 GMT References: <1991Apr10.030723.24502@bilver.uucp> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 22 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:497 alt.conspiracy:4869 Don, do you have a file: The Secret Government by William/Bill Cooper? If so, could you send it my way or post it? It is said to be but one small chapter in his book Behold a Pale Horse, and if you post it, could you do so under the new books question topic for that book and MatrixII. Thanks for all your previous posts, you have impressed me with your efforts. I have yet to determine to my satisfaction whether the government is using or pumping up this alien thing, as a hoax, way out of proportion to help set the foundation for FEMA activation. Further, I think that any aliens doing business with our covert government are likewise very much self centered and capable of a `grand deception' of MJ-12 and related groups. Even if MJ-12 decided to tell the REAL truth as a last minute ditch effort, I will be hard pressed to believe them... it stinks all over, and my trust is zero... Wolf, Wolf they screemed. What an end that might be. So ironic! What do you feel and/or think? Article: 498 of alt.alien.visitors Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!sharkey!lopez!preacher From: preacher@lopez.UUCP (Preacher) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Faces of Mars Message-ID: <1991Apr11.153929.9702@lopez.UUCP> Date: 11 Apr 91 15:39:29 GMT References: <2869@shodha.enet.dec.com> Organization: Great White North/UPLink Lines: 18 In article <2869@shodha.enet.dec.com> timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) writes: > I just have to get in on this. For those of you who are buying into >the "FACES ON MARS" BS I have some land in Florida I'll sell you. Have you read the book by Richard C. Hoagland. it is called "The Monuments of Mars A City on the Edge of Forever". He does make a good case for at least going back to Mars and looking a few things over. -- Some people too big, | mailrus!sharkey!lopez!preacher Some people too small, |----* the only sane one on lopez *---- Some people just right but they talk too much. -- My Grandfather Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!decwrl!pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INFO: Operation Majority by William Milton Cooper Message-ID: <2898@shodha.enet.dec.com> Date: 12 Apr 91 13:50:22 GMT Sender: news@shodha.enet.dec.com Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 15 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:499 alt.conspiracy:4879 Well this reads like a science fiction horror story. Maybe 10% of this is believable the rest should be taken with a salt lick. I believe that aliens are here and that our government knows of them and even may have ongoing contact with them however I do not buy into them be malevolent but benevolent. Being involved in metaphysics and having had access to some very good channeling on this very subject. Everything I have heard or read leads me to believe that the alien visitors are benevolent and here to help study and watch not "eat." Steve Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!decwrl!pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INFO: List of UFO Books Message-ID: <2900@shodha.enet.dec.com> Date: 12 Apr 91 13:58:35 GMT Sender: news@shodha.enet.dec.com Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 38 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:500 alt.conspiracy:4880 In article <8522@crash.cts.com>, benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) writes... >Don, do you have a file: The Secret Government by William/Bill Cooper? > >If so, could you send it my way or post it? > >It is said to be but one small chapter in his book Behold a Pale Horse, >and if you post it, could you do so under the new books question topic >for that book and MatrixII. > >Thanks for all your previous posts, you have impressed me with your >efforts. > >I have yet to determine to my satisfaction whether the government >is using or pumping up this alien thing, as a hoax, way out of proportion >to help set the foundation for FEMA activation. Further, I think that any >aliens doing business with our covert government are likewise very much >self centered and capable of a `grand deception' of MJ-12 and related groups. >Even if MJ-12 decided to tell the REAL truth as a last minute ditch effort, I >will be hard pressed to believe them... it stinks all over, and my trust is >zero... Wolf, Wolf they screemed. What an end that might be. So ironic! > >What do you feel and/or think? > Interesting in that the president (or whatever) of the local UFO group was on a radio talk show and he said that on or about October 1992 the U.S. Government would make an anouncement to the world that the aliens did exist and that we have been and still are in contact with them. Steve Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!adena.cis.ohio-state.edu!boehm From: boehm@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Joe Boehm) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Some Questions Message-ID: <106865@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Date: 12 Apr 91 17:32:20 GMT Sender: news@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science Lines: 10 I really find this group fascinating. I've never been involved in any "unexplained" phenomenon. I'm sitting the fence as to whether I believe any of it. I have a few questions for all those "believers" out there. 1) How does one become "a UfO investigator"? 2) Do you believe EVERYTHING?!? I just read the list of people speaking at that UFO convention in Tuscon. Some of them sound believable, but many sound like complete fakes. Is there any kind of peer review? If they believe a Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!adena.cis.ohio-state.edu!boehm From: boehm@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Joe Boehm) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Some Questions Message-ID: <106870@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Date: 12 Apr 91 17:42:19 GMT References: <106865@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science Lines: 17 I really find this group fascinating. I've never been involved in any "unexplained" phenomenon. I'm sitting the fence as to whether I believe any of it. I have a few questions for all those "believers" out there. 1) How does one become "a UfO investigator"? 2) Do you believe EVERYTHING?!? I just read the list of people speaking at that UFO convention in Tuscon. Some of them sound believable, but many sound like complete fakes. Is there any kind of peer review? If they believe a story is a haox, do they report it anyway? I apologize for posting this twice. The first time the mailer chopped off the last line boehm@cis.ohio-state.edu Path: ns-mx!uunet!ispd-newsserver!rpi!usc!apple!applelink.Apple.com!showen From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: First World UFO Congress Message-ID: <13020@goofy.Apple.COM> Date: 11 Apr 91 22:30:00 GMT Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Distribution: all Organization: Apple Computer Lines: 468 FIRST WORLD UFO CONGRESS 3 May through 7 May 1991 Tucson, Arizona EXTRATERRESTRIALS ARE VISITING THE EARTH A Challenge to Science Worldwide UFO Photo Archives P.O. Box 17206 Tucson, Arizona 85710 Telephone U.S.A. (602)-721-9037 FAX U.S.A. (602)-721-9025 THE SPEAKERS Internationally recognized speakers have been invited from all over the world to deliver platform presentations on the latest UFO and ET events taking place in their region. We have carefully selected these speakers to avoid repetition of earlier presentations, and the well known and much discussed cases and data. But we have included some classic cases and events that have been publicized here since their introductory event, such as the Zanfretta case in Italy and the Marius de Wilde case in France. Our invited speakers include the following: 1. Antonio Ribera of Barcelona Spain Antonio Ribera was the principal and long-time investigator of the UMMO case in Spain, eventually becoming one of the UMMO contactees himself. Ribera has written some 20 books on UFOs, including 4 volumes on the UMMO contacts with the Madrid group alone. The Ummites had contacts with similar groups in a number of other nations as well, including West Germany, Denmark, France, the USSR, Brazil, Bolivia, Australia, China, the U.S.A., etc. but these have been successfully kept quiet for many years. The Ummites have come and gone several times over the last forty years, but they are now back and active in several countries again, and Ribera is being contacted again as he was before. Ribera will brief the congress on a summary of the UMMO contacts over the years and an update on the new visitations taking place as you read this. He will offer illustrations of documents and photographs supporting this case. 2. Rino de Stafano and Fortunato Zanfretta of Italy Rino de Stafano, a young journalist, was one of the investigative reporters who undertook a detailed examination of the Fortunato Zanfretta abductions by giant green-skinned beings quite different in appearance from Earth humanity, yet highly intelligent and benevolent toward Earth humans. He examined the case and the evidence for years as the contacts continued, and still continue today, and wrote a 250 page book on this case. Zanfretta was given an object by the ETs which is carefully safeguarded at this time. The object is a crystal sphere with a pyramid inside that slowly illuminates and flashes glowing lights when held in the hand. Its use is known only to Zanfretta who possesses it now. de Stafano will present Fortunato Zanfretta and interpret for him for a statement to the congress. 3. Dr. Roberto Pinotti of Italy Roberto Pinotti is one of the longest term UFO researchers still very active in this business. He has written a number of UFO books himself, of which I have five in my collection. Dr. Pinotti is head of CUN (National UFO Center) in Italy and the publisher of RNotiziario UFOS, the main Italian UFO journal, and one of the best known UFO journals in the world. Dr. Pinotti was the main investigator of the Italian UFO Flap of 1978-79, and will brief the Congress on this extensive UFO activity that never got into our newspapers at all. 4. Dr. Marina Popovich of the USSR Marina Popovich is a Russian Cosmonaut, a member of the Academy of Sciences, and wife of Lt. General Pavel Popovich, also a Russian Cosmonaut and officer in the Anomalous Phenomena Division of the Academy of Sciences. Marina Popovich will present an Illustrated lecture on the Voronezh landings and subsequent abductions in that case. The initial landing was widely but inaccurately reported in the U.S.A. and the world news media in 1989, but, unknown to the rest of the world, that was only the beginning of a remarkable series of contacts that are still going on today, including more than six abductions. 5. Vaslery Uvarov of Leningrad, USSR Vaslery Uvarov is the principal investigator in the UFO landings and contacts going on in Thiliai, Georgia, USSR. The contacts are probably the most active in the world right now, and involve ET appearances and activity several times every month. Photographs have been taken, and movie footage filmed in these contacts, which show no sign of abating or ceasing in the near future. Uvarov has been seeking a good portable video camcorder to give to the contactee to try to get close-up views of the ship and its occupants. He will present an illustrated lecture on the Tbilisi contacts at this congress. 6. Dr. Viktor Kamprikin of the USSR Dr. Viktor Kamprikin, a well known exobiologist of the Soviet Union, became a UFO contactee in the course of his research, and was then taken away from earth for 38 hours by extraterrestrial entities, with whom he carried on extensive dialogue and rapport. Dr. Kamprikin will brief the Congress on the development of his contacts, what he has learned, and on his dialogue with those ET beings. Those contacts are continuing today and more knowledge is being accumulated all the time. 7. Ryszard Z. Feijtek of Bialystok, Poland Ryszard Z. Feijtek is a long time UFO researcher in his country, and editor and publisher of the first UFO journal in Poland. He will present an overview of the UFO phenomenon as seen from his position today in the forefront of Polish UFO research and investigation. Feijtek heads the Polish UFO Center and Agency RNol PressS. 8. Hakkan Biomqvist, Sweden Hakkan Biomqvist is one of the worldUs longest-term UFO researchers, and is the publisher of Arkivet UFO, the leading Swedish UFO journal. He has personally investigated many Scandinavian UFO cases, including the remarkable Helge ET contact case. Helge, a woodcutter, was given a metal object that he carried on his person when he was taken to an ET underwater base in the Bahamas. Mr. Biomqvist will brief of the Helge case and offer documents and a photo of the metal object given Helge. 9. Anthony Dodd of England Anthony Dodd, a retired English Police Inspector who had a close UFO encounter of his own before retiring a few years ago, will deliver an illustrated platform presentation on his encounter and the crash and recovery of a flying-disc in the Kalahari Desert in South Africa. There has been much controversy in this case, and some disinformation, over a second set of spurious document introduced by a traveler from South Africa. Dodd will update the report and correct the mis-information introduced by the second set of documents. 10. Larry Fenwick of Canada Larry Fenwick, a long-time UFO researcher in Canada has been following up on a recent UFO crash and recovery near Ottawa. A disc-shaped craft was reported to have been brought down by Canadian missiles near Carp on 4 November 1989, was recovered by Canadian Special Forces, and the craft residue taken to Kanata near Ottawa. The Canadian government has thrown a tight mantle of secrecy over the whole event. Fenwick will brief on what is known so far on this most recent UFO recovery event. 11. Jun-Ichi Yaoi of Japan Jun-Ichi Yaoi is one of the very few real UFO research stars of all time. He has filmed more than a dozen UFO documentary specials for Nippon Television, and others, traveling all over this world for material. He has written many articles and even books on the subject of Unidentified Flying Objects and their occupants. Jun-Ichi discovered and investigated the ET contacts of Priest Kihon of Japan, a high ranking Buddhist in a well known shrine temple in northern Japan. Priest Kihon personally became an ET contactee, and upon their invitation, prepared himself, and was taken aboard a ship, and was transported to his visitors home planet for two weeks. There he learned those ETUs history and culture, and learned to read and write their home language, and to translate it to Japanese. He brought a message to the people of Earth from a leader of those ETUs, back from the trip, which has never been widely published up to now. Priest Kihon was also given an object by those ETs which is preserved in vaults of his Buddhist temple. Jun-Ichi will deliver an illustrated platform presentation on the case, and will show the alien writing and translation, photos of the object, and will play the recorded message to the People of Earth. 12. Zitha Rogriguez-Montiel of Mexico Zitha Rogriguez, a well known Mexican journalist and former editor of OCCULTO magazine, on metaphysical subjects and UFOs, is the principal investigator and diligent interrogator of UFO contactee, Dr. Hernandez (a pseudonym), a tenured Professor at the University of Mexico in Mexico City, a Medical Doctor, head of the Immunology Laboratory, and Chief of Radiation Medicine for the Mexican Atomic Energy Commission. Zitha Rogriguez interviewed Prof. Hernandez at great length for over three years on his ten year long series of recurring and on-going contacts, even as those contacts were still taking place - and was once invited to accompany the Professor to a contact. She filled scores of shorthand notebooks on these interviews, from which she drew material for her book on that case, RUFO CONTACT FROM ANDROMEDAS. The Professor has mysteriously disappeared without a trace. Zitha will deliver an illustrated platform presentation on that case at the Congress. 13. Dr. Leopoldo Dias-Martinez of Mexico Dr. Leopoldo Dias is the Mexican M.D. who physically examined a live extraterrestrial being and watched him walk away to join his fellow ETs. Dr. Dias was persecuted by his fellow doctors and the Mexican Medical Board over his report of the examination he filed. Fis competency to practice was reviewed and he nearly lost his license, all for believing the truth of his own experience. Dr. Dias will deliver an illustrated platform presentation on his experience with the ET being and the aftermath of that experience. 14. Enrique Castillo-Rincon of Venzuela Eng. Enrique Castillo-Rincon is one of the early UFO contactees whose experience began in the 1960s, and have continued on and off ever since. His contacts have been with human entities much like us who told him they had been here a long time up to then, and they demonstrated this. His visitors said they came from a planet they called SHI-EL-LHO which orbits a small sun in what we call the Pleiades star cluster. Rincon will describe his first involuntary abduction and the follow-on contacts, including a trip to an undersea base in the Pacific Ocean. 15. Dr. Walter K. Buhler of Brazil Dr. Walter K. Buhler is one of the most famous names in the field of UFO research. He is a retired M.D. and Surgeon from Rio de Janeiro who became so interested in UFO phenomena when he worked for the Brazilian government that he made it a lifelong personal pursuit then and ever since. He has personally investigated some of the most famous UFO cases of all time, including the Art,( Berlet abduction to a densely populated planet his abductors called ACART for 8 days, and safe return, and the ongoing contacts by those strange-looking humans who took their young black security guard contactee from Mirassol to another planetary body and brought him back safely. Both of those contacts are still going on. Dr. Buhler will deliver an illustrated platform lecture on the Mirassol case, its beginning, progress over 10 years time, and latest update information. This man is a gold-mine of information. Besides authoring a book on the Mirassol case, he is publisher of the long-standing SBEDV Journal, one of the best sources of real fasctual information in the world, and has authored a number of other great UFO books. 16. Prof. A. J. Gevaerd of Brazil Prof. A. J. Gevaerd, a high school teacher, began his UFO investigations early-on in his life, and continues to this day. He has personally investigated a number of great UFO cases in Brazil, including the involuntary abduction of two young brothers at Maringa. Strangely, a local man and his wife, coming home from a movie late that night just happened to photograph the abducting vehicle in its descent to the abduction site. That case also continued for many years and the contactees developed pronounced psychic abilities they never had before. Aboard the alien ship the brothers were somehow prepared to receive transmissions and information form the ETs, and began to receive long discourses in the alien language accompanied by sketches and drawings. Gevaerd will deliver an illustrated platform presentation on the Maringa case, with updating information. He publishes a slick UFO journal in the Portuguese language called RUFOlogyS. 17. Guillermo Carlos Roncoroni of Argentina Guillermo Carlos Roncoroni was for years the photo consultant to RCUARTA DIMENSIONS, one of the best UFO magazines in the world, and he personally participated in many exciting UFO investigations in his and neighboring countries. He is an expert photographer himself and was familiar with all the tricks of the trade. In his work with RCUARTA DIMENSIONS he received many most remarkable photographs of UFOs for investigative follow-up as well as testing. He frequently published photo analysis reports, and once wrote a book on his own experiences with UFO phenomenon. Roncoroni will present a selection of his best UFO photographs, and describe them and their verification in detail at the UFO congress. 18. Cynthia Hind of Zimbabwe Cynthia Hind has been a long time UFO investigator and serious researcher in Africa for many years. She is author of many articles on UFOs published in the leading UFO journals, and also of an excellent book on the subject called RAfrican EncountersS. She has been all over the continent investigating the more spectacular sightings and contactee cases. Cynthia will report on UFO contact with black people, a subject of considerable interest to her since her last book on UFOs, and to all black people of the world. 19.Stan Deyo of Australia Stan Deyo of Australia has been a diligent investigator and researcher on this exotic UFO subject for many years in Australia. He is the author of many well known books, RA COSMIC CONSPIRACYS and TTHE VINDICATION SCROLLS T, his last work. Stan has travelled the world searching out the evidence supporting his theories on this subject, and he has found a mountain of very convincing evidence. Stan will report on the Australian UFO scene today, and what he found in the desert outback years ago. 20 Tomislav Radisavgevic of Jugoslavia Tomislav Radisavgevic is the leading Jugoslavian UFO researcher and investigator in his part of southern Europe.Tomislav will brief of UFOs over Jugoslavia and Albania, and will add information from the eastern side of the Adriatic during the spectacular wave of sightings in that region in the late 1978 and early 1979 21. Michael Hessemann of Germany. Michael Hessemann is a young UFO researcher who jumped in with both feet when he staged one of the biggest UFO congresses of all times at Frankfort in 1989. It may also be said that he provided the best technical effects arrangement of all time, with the best sound and projection control ever seen at one of these congresses. Michael will brief on of his most spectacular UFO investigations at this congress. 22. Giorgio Dibitonto of Genova, Italy Giorgio Dibitonto began experiencing contacts with glowing extraterrestrial beings who come out of glowing bell-shaped craft that came to the surface of this planet beginning in 1980 and continuing through 1988. Those beings told Georgio that they came from Venus, but explained that it was from a level of Venus that we cannot see with physical eyes, because they vibrate at a different frequency from us. They said they had been coming here for a long time. Those ETs carry on extensive dialogues with Dibitonto and his friends, and some were taken aboard the densified ships. Dibitonto will report on his ET contacts and what those beings had to say to him and his friends. Dibitonto has published a full report on his contacts in his book RANGELS IN STARSHIPSS. 24. Paul Bondora of the U.S.A. Paul Bondora has been a UFO contactee since he was a child. His contactors, humans like us, say they have been coming here for a very long time. They have guided PaulUs education and interests over the years and have given him a great abundance of information. He has written 3 lengthy books on his experiences and the information he has learned. These books, all still unpublished, are R THE REALITY ENGINEERS, RTHE EXTRATERRESTRIAL HYPOTHESISS and another. Paul will deliver an illustrated platform presentation on his personal experiences with the extraterrestrials and what he has learned from them over a lifetime. 25. Larry W. Bryant of Virginia Larry Bryant is a well known UFO investigator and researcher in our east coast area of the United States. He is a former police officer and the leader of a small UFO study group. He publishes an excellent journal called RJUST CAUSES. Larry will brief on government documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, about which he co-authored a book called RCLEAR INTENTS, and what he has learned about the documents since then. 26. Helene C. of Arizona Helene is an elderly woman in her 60Us, although she doesnUt look it, who is a lifelong UFO contactee, with her experience beginning in early childhood under the age of 10. She has been a practicing Registered Nurse nearly all her life, and has raised a family of children. Her ETs continued to revisit her periodically throughout her life, sometimes being absent for years. Some years ago Helene developed a cancer that quickly metastacised and progressed to terminal stage, and her doctor had given her a short time to live. She was weak and drawn and looked quite aged. Then her ET visitors came back and seeing her plight, took her aboard their ship again and treated the cancer, which miraculously was cured in a few days. Some time later, after other physical debilities, they gave her 7 units of some alien medicine in the form of RBBS-sized silver balls, with instructions to take one every day for seven days. These small pills completely restored her energy and vigor and made her feel younger and healthier with each one taken. Helene will describe her contacts and the cancer cure and will offer documentary evidence of the cure and pictures of the tiny silver pills given her by the ETs. 27. Hazel Coe of Philadelphia Hazel Coe is the surviving wife of the late Albert Coe, the author of a most remarkable privately published account of his nearly lifelong contacts with human ETs who told him they came from Tau Ceti, a sun like ours not to far from us. Man4 years ago he published this account in a book very aptly titled RTHE SHOCKING TRUTHS, in a very few copies, now virtually extinct. He continued his journals after that, and had enough for a second volume on his experiences with his visitors when he died of cancer. Hazel, first as CoeUs girlfriend and then later as his wife, was occasionally included in his contacts, and knew for certain they were real and they were continuing. Hazel will deliver and illustrated platform presentation on Albert CoeUs contacts with the beings from Tau Ceti. 28. Gabriel Green of Yucca Valley Gabriel Green was one of the early American figures in the investigation and research of the UFO phenomena. He published the AFSCA Journal for years, and wrote a book on UFOs. He made the personal acquaintance of many of the early contactees, and spoke with them frequently in confidence. Green was the one who first reported the Paul Villa contacts and photographs, the Bob Renaud case, and many others. He published the Bob Renaud case in considerable detail in his AFSCA Journals, from which 3 books were written in German and published by Ventla Vering. Green has a considerable amount of information on the Renaud case that he never released. That case continued on and off for many years and even up to today. Green will deliver an illustrated platform presentation on the Bob Renaud contacts over thirty years time. 29. Tarna Halsey of Salt Lake City Tarna Halsey and her husband Frank were being contacted regularly by the same ETs who had contacted FrankUs uncle Admiral RBullS Halsey, Commander of the Pacific Fleet. Tarna became involved in her husbandUs contacts early on, and became part of them, where husband and wife would contact together. Commander Frank Halsey and his uncle dutifully reported their contacts to the Navy and thus were in official files as contactees. After President Eisenhower experienced his own contact with ETs, he summoned various other official contactees, including Frank and Tarna Halsey, to the White House for discussions. Tarna asked Eisenhower for details of his contacts and begged him to tell the American people about them. He told her he was not at liberty to do so. Tarna will deliver an illustrated platform on her contacts with the ETs and her meeting with President Eisenhower on the subject. 30. Roman Storch of Prague, Czechoslovakia Roman Storch, now living in Tempe, Arizona, was abducted from a public square in downtown Prague by a UFO many years ago, which changed his life forever. Roman is a scientist and sculptor who carefully modeled the head of one of his abductors, who had a physiognomy quite different form ours. Roman will deliver an illustrated platform presentation on his abduction and his abductors, at the Congress and will exhibit the sculptured head of his visitors. 31. Omnec Onec of Venus Omnec Onec has a very convincing story of her being brought here from the Venus life wave, which vibrates at a finer frequency than ours, and being densified into our frequency by careful preperation over some time, into the body of a seven year old girl, which was introduced into a family in Tennessee who then raised her as an earth child and sent her to earth schools. She describes her life on Venus before coming here, the preparation and trip to earth, the stages of the slowing down of her natural vibrations, and desification into our Earth physical realm of vibration which we all perceive as our physical world. She also describes also describes her life on earth as seen through the eyes of a visitor for the first time, its paradoxes, its sorrows and its small measures of joys. Omnec has written up her biography of her experience in a book titled RFROM VENUS I CAMES to be released early in 1991. Omnec will present her own case from the platform and invite questions afterward. 32. Col. Robert O. Dean Col. Bob Dean will present his personal views on the government cover-up from his inside position for many years before retiring from the service. Col. Dean was senior board member of the now defunct Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO) for many years, and is the remaining board officer who had final custody of the APRO Organization and files and their disposition. Dean will make his illustrated presentation from the platform as the final lecture of the series in this Congress. 33. Pat Weissleader Pat Weissleader, a nurse and former police officer, will describe her own UFO abduction experience from the early age of 8 years. The contacts continued and she began to go willingly when the ETs summoned her. At 18 she was impregnated by them and the baby was taken at four months. She was again impregnated, more than once, and has two hybrid children with the ETs and one here. Her Visitors told her they came from what we call Tau Ceti. They have a pronounced canine aspect to their human appearance, these characteristics being most notable in the pointed and floppy ears, like some dogs, and in the expression around the muzzle. A baby developing too much like them was taken, while one looking quite human was allowed to develop in the mother and to be born and raised here. She will describe this all and answer questions at the Congress. 34. Darryl Anka About 17 years ago Darryl Anka and 4 friends on one occasion, and him and 2 others at another time, experienced a very close broad daylight physical sighting of an equilateral triangular shaped craft about 20 feet on each side by 8 feet thick, of dark gray metallic substances. Years later, after much personal preparation, guided by some impetus outside of him, Darryl began to RchannelS a voice that called itself BASHER, who used the triangular ship as a vehicle in our native dimension of reality. Basher said his natural density of being was not the same as ours and that he had to control his reality into ours to become physical and tangible to us. He continues to communicate things of a most profound nature through Daryl and has attracted quite an audience in this country. Darryl will demonstrate Bashar at this Congress and answer questions. 35. Gunther Kaack Gunther Kaack of Kiel, Germany, began seeing unusual flying objects in the late 1980Us, and has had contacts with the visitors since 1987. Gunther has taken many color photographs of the luminous phenomena from the window of his flat in Kiel. During one of his several contacts he was told Rthe correct view of lifeS according to the visitors. He will bring a selection of his pictures and will describe his contacts from the platform at our Congress. 36. Philippe Piet Van Putten Philippe Van Putten, from Sao Paulo, Brazil, will present a series of recent UFO photographs of both structured discs in daylight sky and quite spectular luminous phenomena in evening and night skies. He will describe the methods used in computer analysis of UFO photographs and the results of the Brazilian testing of these pictures. Philippe will also bring video clips of selected scenes from Brazilian UFO movie documentaries and live on-site investigations for your examination. 37. Linda Howe Linda Howe, author and co-producer of the UFO documentary RStrange HarvestS and a number of articles and conference presentations has something special to offer. She will present a case where a family observed the abduction of a cow by small silver-suited humaniods in company with a larger human looking being. The creatures RfloatedS the cow to a machine where it was taken aboard a cone-shaped craft. The housewife was herself latter abducted by the ETs. Linda will present the housewife and her story, and will show video-clips of the investigation of this case. 38. Jorge Martin Jorge Martin is a journalist and publisher of a magazine on unusual phenomena in Puerto Rico. He personally investigated the strange case of two American Air Force jet fighter aircraft apparently being abducted aboard a giant triangle-shaped UFO before the eyes of over 60 witnesses observing it from many different directions. He interviewed many of these witnesses himself and carried out an intensive investigation through various official channels and agencies, with no significant result from official sources. He is convinced the event really happened as described by the eyewitnesses, and will present his information and findings to our Congress. Don Showen Family of Light Network Work 408-974-9544 Home 408-865-1768 Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!caen!utopia!ejh From: ejh@utopia.calvin.edu (Ed Heil) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Alien sightings Summary: Why were the mid 70s the most popular time for ufo sightings? Keywords: alien muppet Message-ID: Date: 12 Apr 91 20:18:32 GMT Sender: news@engin.umich.edu (CAEN Netnews) Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor Lines: 24 My research (and several channellers, when plied with various beverages) have revealed to me that the reason the seventies were such a peak UFO sighting time is that a massive migration of ET types was in progress at that time. The results of that migration can now be observed on reruns of the Muppet Show, where the aliens' front-man, Jim Henson (recently "terminated" by Operation Majority, the bastards) found inconspicuous jobs for about 800 of them (check out that huge terraced wall full of 'em in the opening sequence, just before Gonzo blows the trumpet). The alien visitors are now in the second generation, and their offspring star in the hit Saturday Morning TV show "Muppet Babies"... You can see more of the aliens starring in "The Dark Crystal", the Star Wars movies, "Labyrinth", etc... I only hope that they don't go seeking revenge on Earthlings for Henson's death. I hope Frank Oz, their bumbling human liaison, can keep them in check... I am outta here... -- _______--+---| | / | | | Edward J. Heil >-------- | --+---+--------------- \ ___/ o | | s83934@ucpsc Path: ns-mx!uunet!lll-winken!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!mic!montagar!fallout!system From: system@fallout.uucp (T-H-E John Wisniewski?!?) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Pleiadian Tape Description Part 1 Message-ID: <4324@fallout.uucp> Date: 11 Apr 91 00:34:12 GMT References: <12918@goofy.Apple.COM> Distribution: all Organization: DECUS DFWLug BBS - Dallas, TX Lines: 58 Xref: ns-mx talk.religion.newage:4975 alt.alien.visitors:505 In article <12918@goofy.Apple.COM>, showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) writes: > Here is a description of some of the Pleiadian Tapes. I scanned it and > corrected most of the mistakes. There may be a few I missed. If there is > any interest I will post part 2. > > > THE PLEIADIANS > CHANNELED BY BARBARA J.MARCULIAK > > The following is a list of available Pleiadian tapes channeled by Barbara > J. Marculiak starting with January 1989. For ordering tapes and for > updated tape information see the last page of this listing. (Much deleted) > > BOLD CONNECTIONS > > Don Showen > Family of Light Network Oh light headed humans, I am the channeled persona of Grunto), the omnipotent! Hear me! I council you with all the wisdom from my cut up new age National Enquirer articles and the special science of the Jupitonians) a race of immortals from the planet Astra in the nebula of Krelm) half way to Demos) (the homeworld of the under god to Roth), the subdiety to race of Saha), half cousin to Elvis) and energy layer to the outer quadrant). The false idols you serve will only guide you to the doom of your and your race's soul -- Convert now and I will council you on how to take in oxygen into your body, teach you to explore the mystery of divining Daytime from nightime, and if you act right now, I'll thow in the original Grunto) classic -- How to be happy drinking Kool-aid and master's drool... Individual lessons are on tape or in easy to swallow capletts for only $29.95 each.... Don't be fooled, purge yourself of all worldly matters -- Liquidate all your material assets and send them to me, -- DOIT NOW! -- DOIT TODAY! -- DON'T DELAY OR THE SPRIT CHANNELS WILL BE WITHOUT CABLE TV NEXT WEEK! Obey my teachings and I will be your spirtual guide into the relm of the ridiculous... For a price... (To the serious posters of this newsgroup, don't be fooled... ;-]) Be seeing you, John Wisniewski) (Don't flame me -- I'm only the CHANNELER...) wisniewski@fallout.uucp Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!apple!spies!joshua From: joshua@spies.sf-bay.org (Joshua Geller) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: RE Faces of Mars Message-ID: <1991Apr12.092246.12515@spies.sf-bay.org> Date: 12 Apr 91 09:22:46 GMT References: <2879@shodha.enet.dec.com> Organization: Spies in the wire, (408) 867-7400 Lines: 75 In article <2879@shodha.enet.dec.com> timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) writes: >Well before I get into this let me state that I do believe in UFO's and I >have seen what I believe to be a UFO back in 1975. Interesting. I have not and remain skeptical. >Regarding the "FACE ON MARS" thing let me ask you a question: >Where do we see most of if not all of the information on this so called >"FACE"? > FACE ON MARS! > FACE ON MARS IS TRYING TO SPEAK! > GRAVE YARD ON THE MOON! >Answer: In Star Magazine and Enquirer. Right along with the story about >the two headed goat that started it's own church and conquered Bulgaria. >These are cheap sensationalist magazines/ pulp news papers that make up >90% of what they publish and then don't even substantiate the other 10%. >This so called "FACE" is a Mountain with three depression that when the >shadows are right will look like a face. In all likely hood the mountain >is an extinct Volcano with three calderas which form the face. It is nothing of the kind. You see, I >have< read Richard Hoagland's book. >Next. Why in the hell should any race of beings who have traveled untold >numbers of light-years make such and idiotic display as a "FACE" on Mars? I myself personally do not 'believe' that there is a face on mars. However, I don't disbelieve either. I am skeptical. I think it is interesting enough that getting clearer pictures (such as are technically possible now, but were not when Viking was built) should be a priority. >For Gods sake people wake up and smell the coffee! If you are buying into >this you are only lining the pockets of charlatans who are out to make a >buck off the gullible. Perhaps. But Hoagland is not one of them. I have never seen his book in a shop; I had to order it from a place in Berkeley. It was $12.95 and (IMHO) well worth the money. Hoagland, by the way, by profesiion is a science journalist. >As to whether I have read the book or seen the video. No I haven't and I >am not going to wast my money purchasing either. If somebody wants to >send me them I will be happy to review them and responed to them here in >this file. I don't really care, you see, myself. Sooner or later we will have (or the Russians or the Euros or the Japanese will have) another Mars mission and we will have clearer photos. Then we will know for sure. >Also if you want to send me $10 I will let you know all about the alien >grave yard discovered on the Moon. ;^) Tell you what; what odds would you give me in a wager? >Steve josh *@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@* @ Joshua Geller | joshua@spies.sf-bay.org | USMail: Seattle, WA 98102-1752 @ *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* @ Geller's Law: | "If I had a steel Q-tip, I would stuff it in @ * "Never postulate conspiracy | my ear, run 10,000 volts and channel god." * @ when stupidity will explain |_______________________________________Spamgod @ * the known facts."|"This wallpaper is killing me. One of us has got to go." * @<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>Oscar Wilde's last words @ *@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@* Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!ucbvax!agate!bionet!ucselx!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INFO: Operation Majority by William Milton Cooper Message-ID: <8546@crash.cts.com> Date: 13 Apr 91 01:03:57 GMT References: <1991Apr11.033543.3221@bilver.uucp> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 17 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:507 alt.conspiracy:4892 If this is just one small chapter of his book "Behold a Pale Horse"by William Cooper, then I wonder if he has released a potential block buster. Among the other bits, all under one single cover with 500pp for $22, it is supposed to also have a copy of the `Protocals'(?) as well as many other less public things collected with much sweet and tears(?). Did he meet with any bullets? If he is correct in even only 70% of what he says, he has let loose of a big BOOM. I wonder what his sense is in regards to "Matrix II" based on his observations and discoveries to date? Thanks again Don for the post. "Information, not money, is the power of the 90's". Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucselx!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: INFO: Operation Majority by William Milton Cooper Message-ID: <8547@crash.cts.com> Date: 13 Apr 91 01:29:58 GMT References: <2898@shodha.enet.dec.com> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 34 In <2898@shodha.enet.dec.com> timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) writes: > Well this reads like a science fiction horror story. Maybe 10% > of this is believable the rest should be taken with a salt lick. > I believe that aliens are here and that our government knows of > them and even may have ongoing contact with them however I do not > buy into them be malevolent but benevolent. > Being involved in metaphysics and having had access to some very > good channeling on this very subject. Everything I have heard or > read leads me to believe that the alien visitors are benevolent > and here to help study and watch not "eat." > Steve Steve, he appeared to refer mostly to only one group of aliens that has values which tolerate the methods and values of some of our secret government activities. So from that limited, but very possibly truthful, perspective on the small, yet very big in itself, part which he saw, he could very well have spotted that set of issues that most diserves our real and imediate attention if the benevolent aliens as you imply are constrained by non-interference directives that may have be involked by the malevolent aliens interacting in the capacities implicated and as indicated by him. I wish the picture were simpler, but there may be undisclosed conditions at the interstellar level of which a malevolent group knew about when they made the arrangments or contracts with our learship or supposedly `Elected' representatives of the U.S. whereby they tied the hands of the truely benevolent races or groups of aliens from any species. I think Coopers story deserves an open-minded once over from what I've seen to date both paranormally and objectively. Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucselx!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Some Questions Message-ID: <8548@crash.cts.com> Date: 13 Apr 91 01:45:59 GMT References: <106865@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 26 In <106865@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> boehm@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Joe Boehm) writes: >I really find this group fascinating. I've never been involved in any >"unexplained" phenomenon. I'm sitting the fence as to whether I believe any >of it. I have a few questions for all those "believers" out there. >1) How does one become "a UfO investigator"? >2) Do you believe EVERYTHING?!? I just read the list of people speaking at >that UFO convention in Tuscon. Some of them sound believable, but many sound >like complete fakes. Is there any kind of peer review? If they believe a I'm not a bonafied investigator but it appears to me that one of the methods is to find some sort of inner connection to a sixth sense of sorts and then with that, what at times seems paranormal, sense follow the hints while using a very critical engineering mind for reality while still retaining an objective open view with the possibilities implied by a form of multi-dimensional electrodynamic physics beyond normal time-space reality values as seldom if ever is seen in any college classroom(for obvious reasons of government security I would suspect). Thats's a rather big mouthful, but maybe it might answer just a wee bit of your question from at least my virtual perspective. Take care. Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucselx!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: INFO: List of UFO Books Message-ID: <8549@crash.cts.com> Date: 13 Apr 91 03:19:44 GMT References: <2900@shodha.enet.dec.com> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 46 Also, I think the goverment(some parts of it) are Deadly serious about following up on those Huntsvill(sp?) Alabama(?) findings which led up to the Global 2000 Report to the President, etc. They would in either the malevolent or benevolent instance need to get a much tighter totalitarian control on things at this point of development from their perspective, which I feel uneasy about, given their prior values exercised by way of examples now recorded in history(or revisionist history?). In short, either way things go, it could be nasty, whether they are intent on ultimate cruel power and control, or if they just want to get past a lot of mistakes and rough spots so they can have a progresive responsible future of tommorrow, let alone live to see the year 2013-2020. Many in the world may end up making their choice by way of a massive paradigm shift resulting in a global time-line split of very large proportions where some in their virtual index as a large group split to the go-around- again loop if you will and the other appearent large group shifts to a more benevolent loop in their virtual index into the continum if you will. For some this abstract split could be very turmultuous in a very real and physical way in their virtual realities. In one reality, one group appears to be subjigated and many members killed possibly followed by appearent war and self destruction, while the other probability constrained associative time-line, if you will, progresses to a final opening up of a forgivness period of realization and joining with the progresive groups of beings from here on earth and other planets. I feel determinism and it associations to net conciousness/experience structures, as our abstract subset concious being minds relate to from one appearent serial virtual reality moment to the next, is understood by too few people today because of poor excuses for using the cloak of secrecy, in the name of control and power of a select few over the masses. What was learned from the Montauk experience should have been shared to a greater degree and would likely have been if it wasn't for the greed, fear, and power. What an experience this time-line has been for me. Humbug I say, many made their choices. Maybe all of us ultimatelyy do make the big paradigm shift in ~2000. That is a third possibility. Nervously yours Enjoy? Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!pacbell.com!att!ucbvax!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Faces of Mars Message-ID: <8550@crash.cts.com> Date: 13 Apr 91 04:03:00 GMT References: <2879@shodha.enet.dec.com> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 15 On the "why should anybody make a face(or whatever) on mars" thought, what do some of us do when we are doodling on our CAD systems, and especally if we have one of those new gadgets controlled by computer to generate prototype objects out of resin with the aid of a scanning laser and Z-axis servo platform! Many things in nature are seeming beyond imagination until some dropout precipitates some dream into object stone hard reality. How often need a brick land on head to see this? I know not. Any slight hint about those wheat field patterns generated by non-public molecular manipulation scanners hooked up to simple PC(486?) directive computers for government trickery or as would be used by an alien with a little time to doodle? P.S. Has anyone tried to decode the field images using the Red Cross(?) Society codes? Did that society become the present day Rosicrusians(sp?), and did they keep the same secret alphabet symbols? Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!pacbell.com!att!ucbvax!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Faces of Mars Message-ID: <8552@crash.cts.com> Date: 13 Apr 91 04:22:39 GMT References: <2879@shodha.enet.dec.com> <1991Apr10.222428.1775@cbnewsc.att.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 15 I would be surprised to see any serious government allowed exposure get out for any length of time for the public eye to see. Consider subsequent potential implications if the U.S. and Russia had jointly sent a probe there successfully in the 60's. Unless the MJ-12 and Builderburg bunch discovered some `Grand Deception" on the part of the aliens that they appear to be hosting at various locations in the country/world, where they are caught with their lying pants down in a double take, I would think it very unlikely, in respect to Mar's potential as an Alternative-3 haven, possibly already in progress. What with the Drug money funding for these activities that would also be exposed, who dares risk exposing that? I wish things could be simpler! Wish, wish, wish. Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!pacbell.com!att!ucbvax!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Faces of Mars Message-ID: <8553@crash.cts.com> Date: 13 Apr 91 04:34:28 GMT References: <2887@shodha.enet.dec.com> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 17 In <2887@shodha.enet.dec.com> timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) writes: >In article <8509@crash.cts.com>, benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) writes... >> >>Steve, did the U.S. and Russia successfully send a joint probe to mars >>before 1970? >Are you directing this question at me? If so the answer is no. I can >get a article on the subject of the Soviet Mars missions. >Steve T. It was directed primarily to you, but is very open to anyone else as it has been proported by some that something happened. Those who know any such details would have a specific date. Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: INFO: The Grey Men Tape - Channelled Hatonn message (Long) Keywords: Phoenix Journal Message-ID: <1991Apr13.011254.16007@bilver.uucp> Date: 13 Apr 91 01:12:54 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 919 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:514 alt.conspiracy:4902 I found this last night on the Info.Paranet (Paranet) Echo. It's a posting by Greg Lush and whether you belief it, reject it or laugh at it is up to you..I found it intriquing and have seen correlations of some of the material presented in other texts. You may have to read this a few times to comprehend it. (just a suggestion). Many thanks to Greg for taking the time to type it up and post it. -----------Begin included article--------------------------------- Message #6465 - INFO.PARANET Date : 08-Apr-91 21:40 From : Gregory B Lush To : All Subject : The Grey Men Tape (1) ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) Date: 8 Apr 91 22:02:08 GMT scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> Newsgroups: info.paranet ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) Well, I broke down. Here is an excerpt from one of the Phoenix Journals. It is included in both 'Space-Gate--The Veil Removed' and in 'Spiral to Economic Disaster' from America West Publ. I ask you to note the date of writing for this document. The scribe who receives the radio frequencies from Hatonn is 'Dharma.' Also, when Hatonn seems to "predict" in this writing, he is guessing based on probabilities. You must remember that humans are in control of these plans, so these humans have the ability to change of the probabilities. The Pleidians speak of two types of 'grey men.' One is our familiar little grey aliens, the other is a reference to International Bankers. Any highlighting is Hatonn's, not mine. Enjoy. Read it slowly and carefully, and read it again. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- For verification of some aspects of this information, I recommend the following excerpts from Editorial Research Reports (A publication of our Congress) available at your public library. OPEC: 10 years after the Arab oil boycott. Sept. 23, 1983. World Debt Crisis. Jan. 21, 1983. and the following from the Congressional Record, December 5, 1979; pages 34793-4: An account of the Connection between Rockefeller, Carter, Kissinger, Chase Manhattan Bank, and how the Shah's money was removed from Iran. December 20, 1979; pages 37630-2, 37640-2: Accounts of Sen. George Hansen's trip to Iran to negotiate with Iranians for the release of the hostages. It is up to you to decide whether our Congress is a more credible source of information than a Pleidian is. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg THE GREY MEN TAPE This is an edited transcription of a lecture taped April 23, 1988. The information is valid and, if anything, more easily recognized today--Hatonn. I will be utilizing this information again when speak of economics, but for now, I will modify from the audio tape to save time and repetition. Let us call the group which has elaborate, and successful, plans to rule your nation and your world, the Internationalists. When I refer to the Internationalists I am referring to a very elite group of about twelve to thirteen 'families'. These "families" hold your "purse strings"--zipper and lock, to all the bags of money in your world. Sound impossible? Nay, it is not only possible, it is extremely easy to visualize after I have explained it to you. As I move along, I will give you some names and places whereby you can check it out on an individual basis. I wish never to place any human at risk, however, so in all instances I will only refer to those already having come forth with 'public' statements or information. I will also have to explain a few terms used to have any sense of continuity. Therefore, as we move along, forgive me of any digression in attempt to give definition, i.e., 'fractional banking'. First, you must fully come into understanding that there truly ARE the elite few, with plans well foundationed and functioning, who control both the world financial markets and ultimately will control all peoples of the world. Do not err in your thoughts by thinking I am speaking of 'someone else in the world', I speak more for the United States of America than I do of the remainder of your world. As I pull portions of the puzzle together for this document I shall again be referring to such groups as Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations, and the Bilderburgers. Forgive me if I am repetitious. I may need to be repetitious in order to fit the pieces in proper perspective. You must know that there ar certain families (literally) that control the hard currency. The countries wherein these families abide are known as hard currency countries. These thirteen families have control of the policy making and the decision making of the central banks of those countries. They are owners, these families, of the majority of the stock of the regional banks of the Federal Reserve System. 'Federal Reserve' would indicate to the more uninformed, that this is a Federal Government Branch. This is untrue, the Federal Reserve System is NOT a branch of your federal government. Just as these families control the regional banks of the Federal Reserve System, they also control the currencies that are not allowed to fluctuate. Note here that the American dollar is the standard against which all other currency is measured. All other nations ar affected according to the changing values of the dollar. Not only do these families control the currencies, but they likewise control the banks. This, friends, is in all the leading nations of your world. For ease of understanding, let us just consider the industrialized nations at this point. I will also need to explain fractional banking to you, because without understanding the lending system you cannot get the picture properly. All of the banks under control of these families practice fractional banking--and beyond--(sometimes there is no hard money present at all). But, let us explain by example on a personal level. FRACTIONAL BANKING This is actually referred to as fractional 'reserve' banking. Lenders are allowed to loan a maximum of up to 20 to one. This is perfectly legal, practiced by every lending institution in America and elsewhere. Example: Mr. A goes to his friendly banker, Mr. B, and deposits one thousand dollars ($1000) into Mr. B's bank. Mr. B's bank is a Savings and Loan so Mr. puts the $1000 into his own savings account. The Savings and Loan is required by your laws, to keep only 5% in reserve. The are allowed to loan out 95% of the money invested or 95% of that which is placed into savings accounts. This means of $1000 there is $950 which is available to be loaned out. In turn the Savings and Loan takes the $950 and loans it to Mr. C to do some home repairs, let us say. This gentleman takes his borrowed $950 and goes to the local hardware/lumber company and purchases supplies, lumber, nails, etc. The lumber company carries on regular banking and therefore, he goes to his bank with the $950 for deposit, to Band D. Bank D is now required to keep 5% but can load out 95% which would be $902.50. Bank D now loans that to Mr. X who in turn filters it back into the economy, let us suppose, through the grocery store and other business stores. He spends it and now we have that money end up in Bank Z. Bank Z is required keep 5%. That means that Bank Z can loan out $857.37. It is again loaned and filtered back in to the economy. This is continued right down to zero. With your $1000 deposit those bankers using fractional reserve banking are now allowed to loan out $20,229.60. This is practiced by EVERY lending institution in America and elsewhere. The amounts above do not include 'interest' on the money borrowed, only the principle amount. You must now keep it in mind that this results in an increase in the money supply through the Federal Reserve System. Your 'big boys' simply turn up the speed of your money presses and run them a little faster and faster in order to pump more in to the economy just to boost up the fractional reserve banking. Let me remind you to keep in mind that the thirteen families control all of the hard currencies of the world and are allowed to practice this fractional reserve banking--this will be important as we move along. THE OIL CRISIS We will now talk about something referred to, on your planet, as 'System 2000', which is a Global Creditors Unilateral plan. This plan went into effect somewhere about the early 1970s. At that time a pentagon official and several other officials visited Nigeria. They went to the Prime Minister and paid him fifty million dollars ($50 million) to raise the price of his oil to more than double. Nigerian oil is 'light crude' of quality such that it is almost pure enough to burn immediately, without distillation, in automobiles. This type of oil sets the price of oil for the entire world. The $50 million was cash across the board with no repayment requirements if Nigeria would double the price of light crude. We will refer to this as light oil. There are only two locations in the world that have this light oil and, of course, it is the most valuable oil in your world, therefore, it is the standard against which all other oil in the world is measured. So, whoever controlled the price of the light oil at that time controlled the price of all of the oil in the world. At this point, let us bring the Arabs into this scenario. This will also bring in the Trilateral Commission--that also includes Mr. Bush. It was now time to bring pressure and persuasion to OPEC. What most of you Americans do not remember is that the United States of America IS A MEMBER OF OPEC. It is kept most low profile. At that time a 'deal was cut' with the Middle Eastern Oil Producers and this is how it went; all buyers were prepared to pay significantly higher prices for the oil--PROVIDED--all Middle Eastern nations supported the United States of America, BY INVESTING THE REVENUES INTO THE BIG BANKS IN AMERICA. To make this picture clear, you must remember that the Arabs, who are wealthy sheiks today, had been wandering around on camelback in a very big desert. They were nomads and they were certainly most unsophisticated in business affairs. Years earlier when the international bankers found out that there was oil in their countries, they went forth and persuaded the Arabs to allow them to produce the oil by financing the oil fields, drilling, rigging--all supplies including expertise. After the bankers financed the oil fields they then charged the Arabs usury fees for building the supply systems--along with refineries. The usury was quickly repaid because the Arabs became very rich, very quickly. (Way back then you were only paying about 30 cents per gallon in your gasoline stations.) Let us now take it further, you go to Nigeria and pay them to double the price of light crude. Unbeknownst to the Arabs, those ones who had become wealthy overnight and didn't know zero about business, much less international finance; the the el nomads; you call them together and say, 'We will take the price of crude just as high as you want it to go--IF--you will deposit an established portion of the funds that you get from this NEW PROFIT RISE IN 30 YEAR TIME CERTIFICATES IN CERTAIN MAJOR U.S. BANKS. Perhaps you ones can now understand the problems you experienced in your early 1970s. Remember the gas lines and the prices of oil skyrocketing? It was because the internation bankers, who hold the purses of the world, knew that the increase in the price of oil that was going to the Arabs would come rushing right back to their bank in 30 yer time certificates of deposit. Turn now to the 30 year time deposits and let us examine the banker's plans. Back in the late 70's and early 80's Sheik Ymani and his bunch had no idea that there was a connection between those banks, or that they were the same people that had the controlling interest of the major oil companies. Do you see what has been woven here? After all, how could the camel riding nomads realize the international bankers were 'having them' hook, line and up to the fishing pole? How could they possibly know that what was happening through these oil companies, was that the monies were being cycled right back into the selected, no exceptions, banking system? They couldn't and they didn't! THE CONTROLLING TRUST Going a long ways back now; in the 1870's the Rockefellers set up something called a Joint Stock Trust. Here I will add, this was just a brief period of time before the American Government declared these trusts illegal. BUT, YOU SEE, THESE ONES COULD FUNCTION FOREVER UNDER WHAT YOU CALL A 'GRANDFATHER' CLAUSE. THAT BROTHERS, IS THE ULTIMATE CONTROLLING FACTOR IN AMERICA OF THE PRIME BANKS AND THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD. That 'trust' is in the control of the Rockefeller Foundation, and, in turn controls the Federal Reserve Bank and is the method whereby the Internationalists are able to gain control of the currency of the U.S.A. Does it begin to become reasonable that those New York banks ar showing all time record earnings? Yet, all around the rest of your country of the U.S., banks and Savings and Loans are going broke and failing. THAT, FRIENDS, MEANS YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED RIGHT ALONG WITH THE ARABS AND EQUALLY AS BLINDLY--WITH NO RECOURSE. Let us come back now, and speak of the deal which 'was cut' (Your ones in power love that term) with the Saudi Arabians and ones of the Middle East. These ones were required to put their money into the prime banks; keep in mind that they did not know that the prime banks were able to lend in amounts of twenty to one. (20 to 1 was quite a while ago, it is higher at present.) All they were receiving was the interest on the money they had deposited. Worse for them, in some of these countries it is unacceptable to receive interest for religious reasons so they might wait thirty years to get any money from their certificates of deposit. In other words, they did not know that this fractional type of banking could be done, but through this, the bankers of the world were able to gain control of the money of the Arab world, and in turn the Arab world only received back part of the interest from the money that they placed into the International Banking System--UNDER THESE 30 YEAR TIME DEPOSIT CERTIFICATES. Through the money gained from the Arabs through the manipulation of the price of oil, and taking the price of gasoline from, let us say, 30 cents a gallon to $1.25 a gallon--there is a lot of money being made. Now, with that money returning into the international banks at 20 to 1, I think you can see the staggering profits. Let us face facts, friends, that money originally came from YOU. Because the bankers had locked in the deposits they were then, in turn, able to make loans to third world nations. ENTER THIRD WORLD NATIONS Think back fifteen or twenty years ago when the International Bankers started investing in third world country loans. LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THE COUNTRIES WHICH ARE GOING BANKRUPT (COMPLETELY BROKE) TODAY. IT WAS FULLY INTENDED THAT THOSE COUNTRIES GO BROKE AND I WILL EXPLAIN THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. You might wonder how I know so much. Well, I have the best computer system in the universe and all I have to do is key it up and it is spread out before me. My computers rarely reflect errors; only changes in 'probabilities' and perturbations in human action and reactions. I am sorry, friends, your friendly bankers set it up deliberately so that the third world countries would go broke. You have to pay attention to history and look back to the time when those third world countries were beginning to gain independence and setting up independent governments. It was at such times that these bankers loaned the upstarts great sums of money which actually had come to them through the Arabs, basically. The international bankers not only wanted, but insured, that these borrowing countries would misuse the fundings. It was fully intended that the funds could be be mismanaged through greed and simply be squandered. You must remember that the leaders of these countries had never governed anything or anybody. They knew nothing about government. They had been colonies under the governorship of other larger countries. The international bankers knew that the leaders were bound to squander the funds. It was known they would have no way to know what to do with them (and they were massive) and so the cycle goes. They were actually squandering money taken from you through the Arabs through high oil prices, etc. Let us now follow it on through. PUNISHING TEXAS I will hereby digress to a story from Dharma's earth home state--Texas--most of you have heard of it. Let us go back some years (not too many) to jog some memories. Do you remember someone named John Connelly, who was governor of Texas? Do you recall that he was also in the vehicle and was injured during John Kennedy's assassination? Well, Mr. Connelly was also Under Secretary of the Treasurer--he was a lot of things and titles. These ones with Mr. Connelly did a most fascinating thing--they planned to implement a new currency for the State of Texas. You see, Texas is a part of the Union only through a renewable 'treaty'. The treaty is automatically renewed every year, but it isn't necessary that it be renewed. That means, friends, that the U.S. only has a treaty with Texas to keep it in the union of states. It was not voted in as were your other states. Texas was at one time--I believe you term might be 'filthy rich'. The state was wealthy and there were many very, very wealthy individuals. Rich individuals such as the Hunt brothers, who actually had nothing originally, but became extremely wealthy, overnight, by OIL. That was all the way back when oil was first struck and became so popular. I am truly going to tie all this together but you must bear with me for there are so many facets. I must make it clear what I am going to say. I will explain to you why, if you don't already know, it was so very important to ones of 'the opposition', and why there was an assassination attempt against Mr. Connelly's life as well as Kennedy's. Why are those men 'broken' today and a state in severe financial trouble? It is because the Internationalists learned of what the Hunt brothers and Mr. Connelly were trying to do. Texas, a state by treaty, can legally secede from your union. The Hunt brothers and Mr. Connelly knew that Texas had the ability to set up their own country and have their own currency. That is why they could be solvent and not be under the dictates of the Federal Reserve System. Or, simply stated, under the control of the international bankers. At about the same time they were in the process of gaining a corner on the silver of the world. This was in order to finance a process whereby they could overcome the international bankers and it was at that point the Hunt brothers were smashed. John Connelly was almost killed, and Texas, which could have been the only state in the union to fulfill breaking out of the trap, has been punished with some extremely major problems. Today, portions of Dallas and Fort Worth, Houston and other wealthy, wealthy cities have gone on to resemble ghost towns in your Old West. Ones who had grown rich in the oil industry have been severely punished, the Hunts and Connelly are bankrupt. The Internationalists became so incensed, so angry, at what these Texans had done that they broke the back of the oil industry, and the major oil producers of Texas. It was a well designed plan and executed in perfection. When ones attempt to interfere with the plans of the international bankers, you can see what the results can be. The Hunt brothers were working directly with the Shah of Iran, on the above plan. Immediately thereafter one of the Texas bankers was killed, the Shah of Iran deposed, and the Hunt brothers were forced into bankruptcy. There are many ways the internation bankers can get revenge on ones who attempt interference with their overall plan; through murder, or you might well be placed into a mental institution and locked away permanently, or you can have trumped up charges brought against you whereby you are locked away indefinitely in prison. This latter has also happened to numerous ones in the 'UFO' investigation circles who find and bring forth truth. It is exactly what happened to Colonel Wendelle Stevens. Colonel Stevens probably has investigated more UFO incidents than any other one individual. Further, an assassination plot was arranged and attempted while Colonel Stevens was incarcerated. Strangely, the perpetrator, who dressed as a religious leader, was caught in the act, turned over to the FBI, and has never been heard from again. So be it. THE SHAH'S DEATH If you will recall, the Shah of Iran was in perfect health when he was deposed and departed Iran. He was only declared to be sick after he reached the United States. You were told he was being held in 'protective' custody at a military base. There, you were also told, he was being treated for his illness--which was not present at the time of his arrival. He died anyway, didn't he? Face it--his death was planned and the murder executed. In your present months there is an international uproar over the use the of chemical and germ warfare utilized Iran and Iraq. Some of the viruses cannot be traced--nor, in such above instances, would anyone dare to pursue it. Who would question a man becoming ill, being treated and then expiring unexpectedly? Certainly no one in the United States would question it. You were uncomfortable enough just having the man in your country. Death can most effectively be brought about in any number of non-traceable ways; one of which is through micro-dots and variations of vibration frequencies, as well through viruses. (This is exactly what happened to Dharma, in her own dwelling--causing cardiac arrest. We just happen to have her under constant monitoring for she is a receiver of several of us in this higher frequency dimension; therefore, we can catch these attempts and counter them. Doesn't do much for the mental relaxation of the victim, however.) THE HOSTAGE STORY You can get verification of these little stories from Senator John Hansen of you own government. I am going to speak of Iran and your people who were taken hostage. I doubt many of you have heard the truth of the matter. Senator Hansen was in the House of Representatives in Washington, D.C. He knew what was happening in Iran and requested permission to go to Iran and investigate. Congress refused. Mr. Hansen then purchased his own private airline ticket and proceeded to Iran anyway. When Senator Hansen arrived, the one Khomeni proffered an audience. Guess what Khomeni said? He said, 'We don't want these hostages, certainly not any more than you want us to have them'. 'As a matter of fact," Khomeni continued; 'I'd like to give you these hostages, at least half of them anyway, and you can take them home with you tomorrow morning. That is, Mr. Hansen, if you will promise to begin an investigation into the relationship between the Shah of Iran, Chase Manhatten Bank, Mr. Henry Kissinger and your President Carter.' At this point, Senator Hansen was most delighted. He rushed to call back to the U.S. to someone who could give authorization and said 'Hey, I can bring half of the hostages home tomorrow. How shall I arrange it?' The person on the other end of the line said, 'Well, I will call you back tomorrow and let you know.' Now please guess what happened on the following morning? When the call was placed back to Mr. Hansen, he was told the following, 'Get yourself on the next airplane coming to America. Come home immediately. Do not bring hostages. Do not do any negotiating. You have no right to speak the part of the Congress of the United States of America even if you are a congressman. Get home immediately with no further discourse.' Here is what he found upon his return to Washington--that the incident was entered into the Congressional record. Further he found that President Carter knew the hostages were going to be taken and further--knew that they were there for a reason and he was not to interfere. Now, you ones get yourself ready for a bomb if you have not already had access to this expose. The release of the hostages in Iran was negotiated by a negotiator of Chase Manhattan Bank in New York, U.S.A. All outside overt and covert attempts to gain release was a facade. Ask any marine who was involved in the military efforts thereof. Is it really any wonder to you ones that Iran is all ticked off at you today? Those hostages, and America, were held in terror while bankers got the Shah's money safely into their banks before the Shah was killed and then, in turn, got much of the money belonging to Iran. A pretty wicked way to get Iran's money into the Chase Manhattan Bank to it could remain solvent and be one of the wealthiest institutions in the entire world. SLEIGHT OF HAND The international banks formed bank 'holding companies' so that they could not be held responsible. The Chase Manhattan, Chemical Bank and J.P. Morgan's bank were the predominant banks for money deposited by the Arabs. The holding companies were formed in order to loan out money to the third world countries while knowing full well that the third world countries were going to go broke. After the Shah had been destroyed and the money was safely in the banks, there were massive amounts of money loaned to third world countries. These notes were shifted from the banks to the bank holding companies in anticipation of the eventual bankruptcy of the borrowing countries. One holding company was for the purpose of loaning money to the third world countries. The purpose of the second holding company was to borrow money from the international bank in order to purchase agricultural lands. That means you farms and also certain corporations in the United States. The farms and businesses will probably continue to make some money, but the third world countries are destined to go down. This is ongoing, dear ones, not a passing fancy. WATCH THE HANDS We are going to now consider currency on a world basis. We will also point out why some of the monetary plans and money making formats are valid and viable. Let us speak a bit about Mr. Marcos who was recently deposed from the Phillipines. This is most typical, friends, so watch the hands closely. A representative of the international bankers' bank went to those ones and said, 'Mr. Marcos, we will forgive all of your loans. You cannot pay them back, you cannot pay back the interest, you can't pay back the principle, but, we would like to make you a bargain. We will just forgive the loans.' Digress time: remember, who did that money belong to that they loaned out to these third world places? It was not the bankers'. Well, of course, it was all that Arab money, because of the higher prices that the people all over the world had paid. So, back to what the bankers say, 'We'll just forgive your loans, the principle and the interest and you never have to pay it back--IF (ALWAYS THE IF)--. The 'if' goes about as follows: You have to do away with your national currency, whatever it is. The dollar will be your currency basis of value. You will be set up with a type of debit card system instead of the usual currency system. Then, too, you must give us perpetual rights to all of the natural resources in your country. Interestingly enough, it was right after that little gift gesture; that friendly little suggestion, that Mr. Marcos was deposed. Why do you suppose that happened? Well, Mr. Marcos was pretty feisty and he told the international bankers where they could go right after they got immediately out of his country. He had no intention of giving them sovereignty over his country and look what happened. Everyone in that country found that suddenly their social security number was synonymous with their credit number; further, their central bank was to act as a wholesaler for credit, which in turn, was extended to it by the new super bank which was announced by your Mr. Paul Volker in the fall of 1985. That was ratified immediately by President Reagan. Just a fun aside for you who love to play with numbers and speculate about coincidence--the names and numbers, the digits, added up to six. Lots of things around Mr. Reagan add up to sixes--even his retirement home address. I take very little stock in these things, but many of you seem to like the game. Also, because a President is not reelected does not mean he is vanquished from the fray. A further contingent condition of the benevolent gift, if you will, of the International Monetary Fund, was that in order to help the economy of those countries the IMF was going to nominate external, nondomestic corporations to properly engineer, exploit and excavate the minerals of those said countries who had just put those same mineral resources up as collateral. This would all, thereby, supposedly bring prosperity to those striving nations. Mr. Marcos was a bit sharper up front, however, and he pinpointed on the word PERPETUAL in the contract. He realized that quite obviously he would be signing away the sovereignty of his nation. I make no comment or judgement regarding Mr. Marcos as a person, nor do I make comment about any individual--those ones are of human format, not mine. I am just telling you the way it is and how some things happened. In the case of the Marcoses, it was only a matter of weeks before the bankers brought down the guillotine blade. Riots were financed by, and originated through, ones of the international bankers' groups. It is never humanly wise to cross these ones; you see Mr. and Mrs. Marcos were exploiting the people well enough on their own and did not wish to share. WHERE DID THE MONEY GO? Ah, let us not forget those holding companies of which I spoke. Remember holding companies one and holding companies two? The second group was receiving credit from the first group of holding companies to purchase assets and liabilities from the 'prime' banks. The only liabilities they would purchase were liabilities represented by Certificates of Deposits of the Arab nations. The assets they were buying were loans made to the debtor nations. Remember, it was designed that third world countries would default on the loans which would bankrupt the holding companies which had purchased the Arab's CD's from the banks. At such a point, the internation bankers say to the Arabs, 'OK fellows, sorry, but all those billions of dollars in 30 year term deposits that you have been depositing all these years are gone. They were sold to a holding company, unattached to us, which loaned the money to third world countries which are bankrupt--broke--gone kaput. Sorry, Mr. Arab, but as of today you are bankrupt. Just like that--all gone!' You might ask, 'Is it possible for the Arab world to go bankrupt? Really now, the richest people in the world with all that oil?' It is a little bit shocking isn't it? Poor souls, they didn't even know those CD's had been 'sold' to those holding companies. They had deposited the money right into the New York bank as required. How could they possibly know they were transferred out and into bankruptcy destined companies? How could they understand the inner manipulations of international financiers? They were nomads, they didn't know anything about business. One cannot even consider them foolish. How much of this intrigue do you know, much less understand? The Arabs could not know what they were up against. But now let us look at what has happened. Before the end of 1986 the Arab world became a bit aware of what was happening to them. The word went out that before May 1st, 1987 millions and millions had to be transferred out of the Arab world into America, to start preparing for doomsday. Money was to be shifted into any kind of securities that were even half way decent. Why do you think this was so? It was so that when the Arab sheiks came to the point of bankruptcy they could be sure the people under them, those millions of people of the Arab countries who have literally been 'kept' by give-away programs, could not get at them. They would have a place to run to and, hopefully, hide. Well, when this all comes down that these Arab countries have literally been sold out, innocently or knowingly, there will be uprisings, turmoil and literally, massacres abounding. It is going to happen, friends, right in the Arab nations. This is why they have purchased, and set in place, silkworm type missiles from China. Long range, nuclear capable, and they have the nuclear devices to arm them. Could it be they will be needed against their own peoples? The people are going to be quite irritated when the are no longer receiving anything from the oil revenues, that their own country is bankrupt and that further, they were sold out by their own leaders. At that point there will be mass migration of sheiks headed for America where they have already transferred the most of their assets. The Arabs were trying to make the big purchases by May of 1988; it is now a year and a half later. Do you not think things might be starting to come down pretty soon? Could it be relatively correlated in timing to Savings and Loan problems and private pension plan troubles and failing economy and - and -? I continue to see problems as I look on my scanners. The probability of you making it into your 1990 before a major depression is not reflected there. I see no way for you to make it past your fall season. You only need a couple more countries to default and your monetary system will collapse. You sit on the target for several methods of pulling you down into collapse. Well, back to the original story. We are talking of holding companies in trouble. The international bankers have removed responsibility from themselves. They passed the notes, etc. on to the holding companies who in turn made the bad loans. All that money belonging to the Arabs has been passed into the holding companies. All the international bankers have to do is say to the Arabs, 'You are broke. As of today--all gone!' When the Arabs demand payment of the 30 year term notes, the holding companies are insolvent--simple as that, no funds--broke. Do you see now, that this group 'made' people some years back and now they can 'break' them with equal speed and efficiency without being accountable? I fear, friends, it is not very different from what is being done unto you dear ones. BUT, that is another story. Here things began to happen rapidly and with sleight of hand. There have followed myriads of liquidations, foreclosures and bankruptcies which were effected by the FDIC and FSLIC which are under the total control of the Federal Reserve Board. Literally dozens of banks all over America quickly were, and are, being bought up. But the big question is by whom? Who has the money in sufficient amounts to make such purchases? The great sums come from the higher oil price money that goes to the Arabs, the deposited into the international bankers' banks. The banks being purchased are then intentionally closed. Some of those banks are still solvent. They are also buying up farm land throughout America through the farmers who are now being put into bankruptcy because of the high American dollar (in relation- ship to foreign currency). At least this is the way it was up to a year or so ago--it is fluctuating somewhat at the present time for other heinous things are under way which are the next step in the plan. I shall not go into those things in this document for I intend to do a document relative to your economies. First, let us consider what is happening now and has been, for your past few years--a lot of things are being done now through the Oriental communities. Ah so? WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? What happens next after this point in insolvency and negotiations, is that the assets would have to be liquidated. The Arabs now have to liquidate. They bought farmland, for instance, all over America. Likewise they bought stocks in a lot of corporations as well as a lot of bonds and some other kinds of real estate. In fact, they have controlled a large portion of the New York Stock Exchange. Keep in mind the Japanese control a large portion, also. Let us look at the morning following the notice of bankruptcy. The Arabs will dump their stocks onto the New York Stock Exchange and what is going to happen when billions of dollars worth of their stock comes on the market? I am talking billions and billions of dollars and, suddenly, there it all is to be sold! What happens to farmland that is already depressed? In 1987 prime farmland that had been worth $3,000 an acre was less than $700 per acre because of deflation and the inability to repay farm loans. Now you have added drought and all sorts of other bad dreams. By the way, this deflation was brought about by your Federal Reserve System. Well, the Arabs don't want that farmland, they have all the problems they can handle. What happens to the price of farmland? It is going right to the floor isn't it? Brothers, when that happens with the value what does it mean? It means it has no collateral value any longer. With no collateral value, how can a farmer borrow money next year for his crops? In turn, what happens to the crops? Who is going to feed the people? What is going to happen in the grocery markets? The results, of course, equates to hunger and scarce supply. Sad, brothers, but it is a well laid plan working to perfection. It all boils down to CONTROL and how do you ever recover. Further, let us look at you stock situation. What is going to happen when these multitudes of stocks are dumped on the stock market? Chaos. What will be the result of catastrophic chaos? IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO THROW THE AMERICAN STOCK EXCHANGES, PRIVATE CORPORATIONS, PRIVATE BUSINESS, AMERICAN REAL ESTATE AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL, INTO A STATE OF TOTAL CONFUSION. TO THE RESCUE! Let me finish the plan for you. At the time of total confusion and inability to function, those benevolent bankers are going to come through with a 'save the world proposal'. They are going to be prepared to eliminate cash because of its collapse. Secondarily, they must then stop drug trafficking. Then, they must also push to stop tax cheating. Now, what self respecting American citizen can possibly be against such noble efforts? They (the bankers) have set up and orchestrated all of these programs and now will pretend to stop them. What will the average American do when your television says, 'Look at what those dirty Arabs have done to you?' What would you do? You are going to believe what they tell you, aren't you? You are going to be right up there in front saying 'Sure they did it to us. Those Arabs want to control the world.' Pretty soon it will be, 'Those Japanese want to control the whole world,' and then, 'The Chinese want to control the whole world." You will join the chant that says, 'Look they bought up all this major part of America. Look at all the money we have given them, and see what they have done. They have collapsed our stock market, et cetera and so on'. Ah ha, but here come your benevolent bankers and they are going to say to you, 'You have got to have a new currency and then the next thing we will do is use that new currency to stop this dope trafficking. You know, that which is coming in from Central America and those other countries. Then, of course, we are also going to have to have a debit card to stop people from tax cheating because, after all, Mr. Public, if we don't do this we will never get ourselves back on our feet. So, brothers, if you'll just turn everything over to us benevolent bankers we will take care of everything and straighten out the whole mess.' You know what, brethren? You will hop on that bandwagon and agree to your imprisonment like babes to candy. You will not only agree to it; you will demand it. For you will forget to hear the big IF. 'YOU WILL GET ALL THIS DONE FOR YOU IF YOU WILL JUST TAKE A DEBIT CARD FOR YOU INDIVIDUALLY WITH OUR LITTLE OLD NUMBER ON IT!' YOU WILL HAVE JUST FALLEN FOR THE OLD IDENTIFICATION CARD SCHEME. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN TO YOU? BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TOLD THE TRUTH, FRIENDS, AND WILL YOU BELIEVE IT NOW AS I GIVE IT TO YOU? NO, MOST OF YOU WILL DISCOUNT ME AS A FIGMENT OF SOME NUT'S (GBL's?) WILD IMAGINATION. SO BE IT FOR I AM GREATLY SADDENED FOR YOU AS A SPECIES. THE NEW CURRENCY This has been a scenario about the Middle East. Where do you think you are today and what do you think you will be when you have this new currency? It will only devaluate the old 'dollar' to zero. It is planned already and named already; the Phoenix. A little prior to this, there is a plan to bring forth an international credit card ID. Let us refer to it as a government ID card with your social security number on it which would be, and get this because the next is important, satellite linked through the Star Wars system. Does any of this sound familiar to you? This program of Star Wars is at least 60% geared towards this very purpose and only 40% for the claimed defense systems, etc. This major space linkup will facilitate the transmission of banking information throughout the world instantly. This would be a debit card with a number which would be required for you to do business, and friends, if you know anything at all about your Biblical prophecies, God has already told you it will be, it will take place. Further, it will be done in such a clever way that you 'Christians' who say you will NEVER sign up nor participate will never see it hit you and you will have joined the program without even realizing it. How else are you going to survive? Let us not be foolish in our claims for you are dealing with the most clever planners who have out thought you completely up to this date. Now, I hope you will believe me when I tell you that the 'Star Wars' program of satellite systems is in place. Satellites are up there, friends. We of other planets are allowed to stop nuclear warheads--we are not permitted to touch satellites which are not geared to some type of nuclear detonation. Well, all those wonder filled bits of technology called eyes in the sky and spy satellites 'for you security' are really for the purpose of transfer of the very banking and income information which I have just been describing. It can set up immediate transfer of funds from all over the entire world, from the debit card, that the internationalists will see to it are established with every living person. You will be on the system whether you know it or not. In fact, you who are old enough to read these words--and every child--is already entered therein. All information will be entered into a central computer and from that place the world will come under instant financial control. So, dear Americans, you have just paid you hard earned money to finance that program to initiate the bankers' international credit card system and number system that will be implemented whether or not you choose of it. IT IS DONE, BROTHERS, IT IS PLACE--DONE! DON'T TELL ME YOU WILL NOT PARTICIPATE- -YOU ARE ALREADY A PARTICIPANT, DEAR LITTLE ONES. Oh yes, what of your defense system? Doesn't look too good does it? Well, we are not going to let those nuclear warheads out here in out space past one hundred fifty miles anyway. That is our prerogative and we stop them or dismantle them. HEAR ME Do you not see, brothers, that this is the way the prophecies are coming into your focus? It is happening all about you but you don't seem to know what it is you look for. Please, all I want you to do at present is HEAR ME. There is naught you can do about it to any great extent as it stands. You who will hear me and mine own groups, hear me. You must utilize all of the remaining time to its maximum efficiency for we will have to continue to work under the new systems. Our projects will never be less than excellent investments and they must, and will, be funded. It needs to be done rapidly, however, before we are caught up in the total collapse of the monetary system. We can work through depression if we have fundings--monetary collapse shuts us down for all practical purposes, until the system can be put on track and functioning. It can work and will work, for in these confused, rushed and harassed days there is great madness to shift money and make money on money and etc. Countries such as China, Japan--all non hard currency countries are desperate to convert to dollars. I will further tell you that your governments know we are here. They also know we are not here to interfere. We are here to walk our people through a transition and we plan nothing subversive. We do plan good business ventures and welcome all who wish to participate. We have no communes, all word for fair reward. We plan good business with total integrity and latest technology. We are here to help, not overthrow. We are here only to walk our brothers through, for it will all come down just as the prophecies are given. There will be some very bad times ahead most surely if plans are not made for those days of tribulation. Let me speak a bit more regarding 'timing'. I know that what I have said is truth. It was confirmed by top sources in Switerland that by October of last year there were twelve debtor nations who had agreed to the proposal of debt forgiveness in exchange for perpetual consignment of natural resources. There only need to be one or two more that give enough leverage to announce the Arabs bankrupt. As of now, all the top leaders in the Arab world know the story and they are scared to death about it. They don't know what they are going to do about it; there is actually nothing they can do about it. They certainly do not know how to announce it to their populace. There doesn't seem to be any way to get the information out to the people. Further, no one knows how to announce all this to the American people. It has been attempted by some and fallen on deaf ears. I hope that by the time many of you have read this document, there will be recognition of our presence in your space. What I tell you is truth. IN SUMMARY I would like now, to sum up this scenario. Because the 20 to 1 debt to asset banking ratio also operates in reverse (that's how it is with leverage), it only takes about five percent of the the third world nations to declare bankruptcy and when they do, and they accept the plan of the international bankers, then the bankers can declare the bank holding companies bankrupt. Because of the reverse leverage of the loans, only 5% of the third world countries could basically declare the world bankrupt and the ownership of all falls to the international bankers. When this program is initiated and in place, it will wind up with the international bankers owning all mortgages and all properties. What is that going to do to your country? What about the world? What control will they have when they initiate the debit card? It will be an automatic number which will be given and would be required because the country is devastated. It would then result that the international bankers, who are made up of all these secret and complex committees I have previously discussed, would now own the majority of the United States and most other countries (for all will fall in short order), would control the Arab world and therefore, by about a thirty year plan of manipulation, will have brought the peoples of the world under control. Two years ago, your Senator George Hansen said you had only about a year to get this under control, to get the information out and do something about it. Well, your year has passed into two and a half. How much have you heard about it? I doubt very much. Brothers, this is how men make slaves of their fellow men. It has, however, been prophesied since the beginning of your world that these things would come to pass. This statement is not to give you negative feelings. This is to tell you that you are IN the time of evolution of your planet where these things are now coming to be. I go through all this that you might recognize the signs which are all around you. The time, in your perception of time, is fleeting. The 'time' we call sequence of events--is fleeting. We have much to do and we are here ad available to assist you one of God and the children of you planet called Earth Terra. You are a sister planet to we of the Pleiades. Many of our ones walk among you. There are many duties and jobs that must now be finished. The story, the work, will go out for that is God's promise to man. His promise is to allow man to hear and to see, followed by proof. He will send these things through us of the space brotherhood. These things shall be documented and sent forth to man so that man can see what he wishes to do--what choices he wishes to make regarding his divinity. I am going to leave this portion now, that you ones can ponder these things. We come in love and we can see farther than you. We have access to all records, so we can see and know. We can give assistance if we are so petitioned. And you might ask, 'Why would you ones do that?' Because Father God the Totality, the Light which is your Source and My Source loved you enough to send forth His Celestial Son, before us. We now serve that same 'Son' who is our Commander and act in His service. Further, for you who are our brothers, we will not leave you stranded on that place. Ye who do not yet know me, will come to understanding our presence. I leave mine seal and my blessings on this portion, which I fear is quite lengthy. Please ponder is several times until you have understanding for it is most important. Go Dharma, it has been such a terribly long session for you. Turn the papers over to the others that you may get some rest. Salu, Salu, Salu Hatonn moving to stand-by. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- EOF -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!uunet!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!lll-winken!decwrl!sgi!shinobu!odin!valhalla.esd.sgi.com!bjorn From: bjorn@valhalla.esd.sgi.com (Bjorn Lindstrom) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Pleiadian Tape Description Part 1 Message-ID: <1991Apr12.163210.29248@odin.corp.sgi.com> Date: 12 Apr 91 16:32:10 GMT References: <12918@goofy.Apple.COM> <4324@fallout.uucp> Sender: news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) Reply-To: bjorn@valhalla.esd.sgi.com (Bjorn Lindstrom) Distribution: all Organization: sgi Lines: 23 Xref: ns-mx talk.religion.newage:4987 alt.alien.visitors:515 Posted: Fri Apr 12 11:32:10 1991 In article <4324@fallout.uucp>, system@fallout.uucp (T-H-E John Wisniewski?!?) writes: |> In article <12918@goofy.Apple.COM>, showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) writes: |> > |> > THE PLEIADIANS |> > CHANNELED BY BARBARA J.MARCULIAK |> > |> > The following is a list of available Pleiadian tapes channeled by Barbara |> |> Oh light headed humans, |> |> I am the channeled persona of Grunto), the omnipotent! Hear me! I council |> you with all the wisdom from my cut up new age National Enquirer articles |> The false idols you serve will only guide you to the doom of your and |> John Wisniewski) HA HA! I LOVE IT! That's the most hilarious thing I've read all week! I laugh every time I read it! In some groups of people, these "channelers" would be called "demon posessed", and in others, called "schizoprenic"... I call them "rip off"... (IMHO) That was the best flame all week! Bjorn (I channel television) Lindstrom Path: ns-mx!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!usc!samsung!think.com!masscomp!peora!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Pleiadian Tape Description Part 1 Message-ID: <1991Apr13.004236.15934@bilver.uucp> Date: 13 Apr 91 00:42:36 GMT References: <12918@goofy.Apple.COM> <4324@fallout.uucp> Distribution: all Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 32 Xref: ns-mx talk.religion.newage:4989 alt.alien.visitors:516 In article <4324@fallout.uucp> system@fallout.uucp (T-H-E John Wisniewski?!?) writes: >Individual lessons are on tape or in easy to swallow capletts for only >$29.95 each.... > >Don't be fooled, purge yourself of all worldly matters -- Liquidate >all your material assets and send them to me, > > -- DOIT NOW! > -- DOIT TODAY! > -- DON'T DELAY OR THE SPRIT CHANNELS WILL BE WITHOUT CABLE TV NEXT WEEK! > >Obey my teachings and I will be your spirtual guide into the relm of the >ridiculous... For a price... > > >(To the serious posters of this newsgroup, don't be fooled... ;-]) > >Be seeing you, > >John Wisniewski) >(Don't flame me -- I'm only the CHANNELER...) >wisniewski@fallout.uucp Thanks John, I don't think ya fooled us but we were amused :-) Don -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu! lll-winken!sun-barr!newstop!jethro!male!texsun!letni!mic!montagar!fallout!system From: system@fallout.uucp (T-H-E John Wisniewski?!?) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INFO: The Grey Men Tape - Channelled Hatonn message (Long) Message-ID: <4426@fallout.uucp> Date: 14 Apr 91 00:10:43 GMT References: <1991Apr13.011254.16007@bilver.uucp> Organization: DECUS DFWLug BBS - Dallas, TX Lines: 83 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:517 alt.conspiracy:4913 In article <1991Apr13.011254.16007@bilver.uucp>, dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes: > I found this last night on the Info.Paranet (Paranet) Echo. > > It's a posting by Greg Lush and whether you belief it, reject > it or laugh at it is up to you..I found it intriquing and have > seen correlations of some of the material presented in other > texts. You may have to read this a few times to comprehend it. > (just a suggestion). > > Many thanks to Greg for taking the time to type it up and post it. > -----------Begin included article--------------------------------- > > Message #6465 - INFO.PARANET > Date : 08-Apr-91 21:40 > From : Gregory B Lush > To : All > Subject : The Grey Men Tape (1) > ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) > Date: 8 Apr 91 22:02:08 GMT > scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> > Newsgroups: info.paranet > > ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) > (article deleted) IMHO: I'm sorry but I read this looking for anything useful and could only derive that the text was someone's ravings and railings on percieved conspiracies. Similarities with other texts? You bet, it assessed blame for every problem in the last 10 years. Look under a rock and find the evil doers... Don't blame 13 or 30 families for the monetary evil in the world, look to the way we are doing business or to the folks looking for something for nothing. The takeover artists of wallstreet greedily bought and took out heavy "LOANS" on their newly aquired assets, pocketing the profits -- We aren't making any new wealth, just figuring ways to leverage the old stuff into other peoples pockets. This isn't a conspiracy, it's greed from the people on Wall Street. The Japaneese haven't figured out that it's easier to steal (I mean leverage) then to compete so they continue to create new wealth from their manufacturing economy. Selling hamburgers does not raise everyone's standard of living -- manufacturing hardgoods will. (the Japaneese have learned this simple rule -- We've forgotten it.) There, that's my take on the economic problems, it's a lot more real than a 1000 line rambling of conspiracy, intrigue, and evil -- perhaps not as much fun but the truth never is.... Now what does any of this have to do with Alien visitors? John Wisniewski wisniewski@fallout.uucp If someone has proof, lawsuits won, documented evidence I am willing to stand very corrected -- The problem with alledged conspiracies is the the person with the deep insight always says "See, they've covered up the entire trail and hid all the evidence." Humans aren't that good, they aren't that dedicated. Oh a few are and some are good -- but why would they be totally involved in CLOAKING a conspiracy instead of using their talents for more selfish/less nobal purposes (and don't tell me the conspiracy is that profitable -- someone is going to gripe about something). If it's a conspiracy between two-five people -- maybe possible, 10, 20, 30+? Someone's gonna slip up... and then, Welcome to Nightline... Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu! lll-winken!sun-barr!newstop!jethro!male!texsun!letni!mic!montagar!fallout!system From: system@fallout.uucp (T-H-E John Wisniewski?!?) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INFO: The Grey Men Tape - Channelled Hatonn message (Long) Message-ID: <4427@fallout.uucp> Date: 14 Apr 91 00:12:53 GMT References: <1991Apr13.011254.16007@bilver.uucp> <4426@fallout.uucp> Organization: DECUS DFWLug BBS - Dallas, TX Lines: 25 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:518 alt.conspiracy:4914 > In article <1991Apr13.011254.16007@bilver.uucp>, dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes: >> I found this last night on the Info.Paranet (Paranet) Echo. >> -----------Begin included article--------------------------------- >> >> Message #6465 - INFO.PARANET >> Date : 08-Apr-91 21:40 >> From : Gregory B Lush >> To : All >> Subject : The Grey Men Tape (1) >> ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) >> Date: 8 Apr 91 22:02:08 GMT >> scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> >> Newsgroups: info.paranet >> >> ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) >> > > (article deleted) You already know my thoughts on channelling... John Wisniewski wisniewski@fallout.uucp Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!hpb.cis.pitt.edu!scratch From: scratch@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Steven J. Owens) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: The Men In Black? [Re: INFO: List of UFO Books] Message-ID: <115424@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 15 Apr 91 09:32:21 GMT References: <1991Apr10.030723.24502@bilver.uucp> Sender: news@unix.cis.pitt.edu Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh -- Panther Amateur Radio Club Lines: 25 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:519 alt.conspiracy:4920 In article <1991Apr10.030723.24502@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes: > >The following is a good starting list of UFO reading material. [...] > Kurt Glemser THE MEN IN BLACK REPORT 1973 > Kurt Glemser UFO'S: MENACE FROM THE SKIES 1972 > Kurt Glemser THEY WALK AMONG US 1970 Speaking of this... who ARE the men in black? I'm not an alt. conspiracy regular (I prefer to work first on figuring out myself, second on figuring out the world) but I've read various fiction and seen various references to the Men In Black. Obviously from the context here they're some sort of a) aliens or b) gov't types coming around cleaning up after or covering up aliens. Any other connotations or appearances? What are their characteristics? What's their behavior like? etc... etc... E-mail to me preferred (I'm not even an alt.conspiracy regular lurker :-) but I'm not too lazy to do a keyword search so post and invite followups, maybe it'll spark discussion! Pointers to appearances by the MIB in fiction and non-fiction (or pseudo-non-fiction) references that might be possible to find via library systems are especially invited. Steven J. Owens (who, oddly enough, worked up until just four months ago in the MIB building...) scratch@hpb.cis.pitt.edu Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!metro!socs.uts.edu.au!syzygy!axolotl From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain D. Sinclair) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: The Men In Black? [Re: INFO: List of UFO Books] Message-ID: Date: 15 Apr 91 10:11:28 GMT References: <1991Apr10.030723.24502@bilver.uucp> <115424@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au Lines: 20 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:520 alt.conspiracy:4921 Originator: axolotl@syzygy scratch@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Steven J. Owens) writes: >Speaking of this... who ARE the men in black? >Pointers to appearances by the >MIB in fiction and non-fiction (or pseudo-non-fiction) references that >might be possible to find via library systems are especially invited. There's a song by the Stranglers called _the Men In Black_. Pretty spun-out. I can get the lyrics, if you like, but they're not that special. A fringe-science nut friend of mine says that the MIB claim to be govt, but never carry any convincing ID. The MIB are, like most interesting "secret stuff", unsubstantiated fiction. -- Iain Dick // axolotl@socs // University of Technology, Sydney ,', Sinclair // .uts.edu.au // (Research Assistant) +61 2 2812552 ,` Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!pacbell.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!benno From: benno@crash.cts.com (Benno Eichmann) Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,alt.desert-storm,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,alt.activism,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Books: Matrix II, Behold a Pale Horse: Post "Protocols of Zion"(Don?)? Message-ID: <8608@crash.cts.com> Date: 15 Apr 91 22:14:27 GMT References: <8487@crash.cts.com> Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA Lines: 41 Xref: ns-mx soc.rights.human:6322 alt.desert-storm:13881 talk.politics.mideast:24345 talk.politics.misc:35056 misc.headlines:15557 alt.activism:12300 alt.alien.visitors:521 Don, do you have a file that contains the verbatum words(English translation) of this document: "Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion"? I was said the other day on the radio show by Tom Valentine's guest that this document is possibly a very accurate blueprint for the course of action since the late 1700s up to the present for many actions leading to the "New World Order" being proported in connection with Bush's association with a `Chapter 322' a Yale of '49, whatever that means? Does this document spell out actions/methods and do they lead to a Democratic Republic or Totalitarian form of One World Order when the dust of reorganization settles? I've looked in the law library on one or two occations and found very serious referential E.O.'s suggesting very severe potentials in the future that seem to follow a very subtle plan of action. Of greater concern now than before is that it appears that America and the world is being quided in that direction for 1992, an end with very tight control at every level, out of the publics hands. I've never seen the `New States Constitution' yet, but now I realy wounder if it has any genuine public representation inclusions of merit? I beleive it was produced by the `Center for Democratic Studies' in(?) Santa Barbara, Calif. for a taxpayer cost of over $25,000,000. Could a group of aliens, if they were around in the 1700s also, have had some influence here in these Protocals also? I would like to get/see the file on these Protocals if you have a credible copy of that text. It seems too me that you might just have a copy of this proported gameplan blueprint. And if you have some deeper insight there, what might it be, if you feel it appropriate to share, now that `Free Trade' is likely around the corner, along with its many questionable effects on the common man in the U.S., as regards his power to influence the running of this country when he has next to no resources or is on the street? Thanks for your previous post again, very interesting considerations not likely overlooked by those with influence in world events. BE Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!emory!tridom!atssc!fang!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: INFO: Unarius File -The Truth about Mars- Message-ID: <1991Apr16.011613.9281@bilver.uucp> Date: 16 Apr 91 01:16:13 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 1214 Hi Folks, The following file is a Unarius Academy of Science text written by Dr. Ernest L. Norman in *1956* about "The Truth about Mars".. It could also be a heckuva great movie script too :-) ------------Begin included text------------------------------------- ORIGIN OF UPLOAD: SAN DIEGO CONTRIBUTED BY: David Reynolds/ UNARIUS ================================================== THE TRUTH ABOUT MARS copyright 1956 by Dr. Ernest L. Norman E X C E R P T S F R O M T H E B O O K ___________________ INTRODUCTION For centuries before spacecraft transformed our under- standing of the solar system, almost all the planets were believed, with varying degrees of conviction, to be inhabited. This belief conformed to the Copernican world view, in which Earth is not unique among the planets. When the Space Age opened in 1957, the evidence for indigenous life was strongest for Mars - almost conclusive, on the face of it - and from the beginning the search for life on Mars became a major goal of the United States' Space Program. The result was the historic series of spacecraft that began with MARINER 4, in 1965, and ended with VIKINGS 1 & 2, in 1976. The dawning of the Space Age is a material event, occurring in the latter part of the 20th Century, and as the description that follows is a result of a developed mental means of communication, it strengthens the understanding of this means of communication as being the real and more apparent factor in the transference of energy from point to point. Dr. Ernest L. Norman is the progenitor and a mental giant, writing from the higher statement of a full consciousness of the reality of the mind as a cosmic centrifuge. This is the first book written by him in 1955, inaugurating the Unarius Academy of Science. In this small but important book, a first, Dr. Norman extends the present knowledge of life on our close companion planet Mars, which has all of the basic biological and geological conditions for the evolutionary development of life forms, including Homo sapiens. He addresses mankind, not with the hardware of rocketry, space probes and other sophisticated, high-energy technology, but introduces the individual to not only the possibility or probability of life on other planets, but in actuality, through the higher factors of the mind, immediately taking the reader to planet Mars to reveal the enigma of this planet. This enigma has been tantalizing the minds of humankind for hundreds of years, that has occasioned a series of narrations over the years, titillating the imagination of mankind throughout civilizations up until the present time. 2 The importance of this booklet is that the mind, man's enigma, can reveal the power existent, to apply in all ways necessary for the progressive development of any individual so desirous of expanding the central intelligence of himself in his relationship to the apparency and to the vitality of society on this and other earth planets. For this reason, Dr. Norman, as an Elder Brother, pointed the way for aspiring mankind to overcome the limitations of his narrow confinement in the material sectors of life, as is the present pioneering efforts of our scientific community through the auspices of the United States National Aeronautics & Space Administration. The expository nature of Dr. Norman's description of the reality of human life, living underground, is a vital teaching, not only of the magnanimous nature of man in overcoming the limitations of his material environment, but also of the reality of the interplanetary life of Homo sapiens! The data now being collated by the many thousands of computer- enhanced images from the ZINC probes are validating the pre-history of Mars as an integrated and formed world of an ancient civilization. However, it will not be until Earth humans land on Mars that the evidence of Martian society will be known and accepted. The computer- enhanced image revealing a `face on Mars', is capturing the interest of many people, including those in the scientific sector; a prelude to the buildup of further hard data, revealing the evidence of the ruins of ancient, advanced civilizations in the Cydonia region of Mars. All of the precluding is the material evidence necessary for those who do not have second sight or who have not developed the mechanics of their third eye, with the reality of their sixth, seventh and higher senses. But this should not deter anyone, and in fact, is the objective of this writing, to wake up the reader to his unlimited capacity in that he too, can communicate through his sixth and higher senses. This so-called `telepathy' a principle of frequency and harmonics, will reveal to him the evidence of the evolutionary design of life on companion earth planets. The exploration of Mars is in this sense, the first phase of reawakening mankind to the reality of the expanding universe, right in his own backyard, in his own solar system. The reality is that earth planets are abundant in our Milky Way Galaxy. The reality is that man has communicated via spacecraft and is continuing to communicate with the denizens of this planet through telecommunication or mental means, -the normal methods of communication of advanced Space Brothers. With all of this, of course, is the other reality! Present Earth history has not revealed the true story of man's past, and the reasons why technology has outdistanced the knowledge of man's humanity to his fellowman and of his creative spirituality. You will therefore read in this booklet that the Martian people are wiser in their knowledge of their inherent human nature and practice this cosmic principle in their society. War is not a factor to disrupt their peaceful existence, and science and technology functions equally balanced with man's spiritual coefficient. The picture that emerges is of earthman beginning to realize that he has the capacity to leave his nest, to move out into the stars and regain his lost heritage, the birthright which has always been the objective and purpose for his being. Essentially, life's purpose is to advance one's knowledge of the principle of evolution, to integrate 3 these evolutionary principles, using both the material technology and the spiritual technology, thus advancing both man and society on an upward and intelligent, progressive evolution. Dr. Ernest L. Norman is the Cofounder of the Unarius Educational Foundation. From 1954 to 1971, with his wife, Ruth Norman, he pioneered the teaching of Interdimensional Physics, explaining the evolutionary nature of atoms and man, planets and solar systems, galaxies and universes. He authored the first twenty texts of the curriculum of the Unarius Academy of Science - teachings which explain the unified field theory - quantum mechanics, and the present theory of Superstrings! Dr. Norman as one who has attained Cosmic Consciousness, is an example of his teachings. Today, through the efforts of Ruth Norman (Uriel) the present Director of the Unarius Academy of Science, the curriculum has expanded to over 100 texts, adding immense knowledge to the reality of Consciousness and of its continuity after the completion of the cycle of physical life (or death). The account of Dr. Norman's psychic trip to Mars proves the science of fourth dimensional physics - the principle of mental attunement. It is hoped that the reader will continue in his desire to advance himself as well, to attain those abilities that lie within but needs to be called to his attention and developed. In 1977, Ruth Norman tuned in psychically to the underground cities on planet Mars, in thirty-three separate visions. This book titled THE UNDERGROUND CITIES OF MARS is a continuation and explanation of the truth about Mars, as it includes the realizations and flashbacks presented in the testimonials of persons who remembered their own experiences when they contacted the Martian civilization. This work is an exciting and telling account of the interplanetary contact of Earth and Mars, knowledge which will validate the reality of interplanetary travel and of the extraterrestrial nature of earth civilizations. El Cajon, California March 1,1988 A Word About the Author Just fifty years ago in a small town in northern Utah, Ernest L. Norman made his debut into this planet Earth. It was apparent right from the first that he was an unusual child. His mother nearly died in the process of his introduction, because of the abnormally large head. It is said he had the body of an eight pound child, but weighed over twelve pounds! Before he was hardly two, he was experimenting with writing and long before he went to school for the first time, he was quite familiar with the English language; so much so, he was reading his father's Library. His father, incidentally, was a very learned man, of royal Norwegian descent and had degrees in law, psychology, physiology and phrenology. The author was the fifth of eight boys and girls, all strong lads and lassies and it was quite natural for them to resent having a brother who was so studious. At the tender age of five he constructed his first microscope using the eyepiece section from his father's telescope, and by 4 inserting it in a wooden frame made from a cigar box and a small piece of mirror, he was able to count the hairs on earthworms. The Truth About Mars At the age of six he performed an unusual and prodigious feat. Using his knowledge of Archimedean laws of fulcrums, levers and rollers, he moved an 8 x 12 foot coal shed containing one-half a ton of coal over a distance of approximately 200 feet, through an apple orchard and over soft ground to a new and more convenient location. This feat took him about three weeks to accomplish and was one which would have taxed the strength and endurance of a strong man. This accomplishment was carefully noted day by day, by his father who would boastingly report the progress made to the townspeople. It was also at this early period of life, that he constructed a rabbit hutch which was vastly superior in design and workmanship to one constructed by an adult neighbor more than six times his age. This he did, using old rusted out, discarded tools. Another time, at the age of seven, he bested his father in an argument i.e., that all energy was electronic. At present he is completely vindicated inasmuch as science today is resolving into this conclusion. During his early teens-age years in junior and senior high school, he established several new "high water" marks in biology, genetics, science, etc., and won several noteworthy citations as well as attracting some interest from his teachers. It is estimated that at the age of fourteen, he had a vocabulary of about sixty thousand words! It was easy to see then, that this boy, who in winter time read almost continuously or dreamed the summer away watching nature, had not wasted or played his time away as most lads are wont to do. At the age of seventeen, his family moved to California and temporarily, at least, formal school was finished. But he persisted, even taking night classes in various subjects. At the age of twenty- three, and just before the depression, he married and remained so for fourteen years. During this time, he became very active in radio and electronics. It was his wife who always said they had the best radios in the neighborhood and they were always hand constructed. After World War Two, he devoted himself to his lifetime dream, metaphysics, and became an ordained minister in an occult science church. From the very start, in this work, it became evident he possessed an outstanding clairvoyant development and, during the war years, demonstrated this talent not only in churches and lecture halls, but in almost any place opportunity presented itself and achieved no small measure of fame in this capacity. However, it is his ambition at this time and has been for many years, to fill in the gaps in our scientific and spiritual philosophies of the world, and to set up a new and integrated philosophy of life. With this most outstanding ability of clairvoyance, coupled with a tremendous grasp of scientific knowledge, he is very humble and unpretentious, refusing to attach the stigma of self to whatever comes through the channel of his mind and is ever aware of attunement with the Superconscious. 5 On the forehead of the author is a large welt, in a perfect raised circle. This becomes activated at times when he is inspired or attuned, as though it is a necessary factor in making contact, mentally, with the intelligences of other dimensions or on other planets. Another strange phenomenon is the nail holes in the palms of his hands, which appeared physically during a psychic working out with his previous life in Jerusalem and the crucifixion and are most surely points of great interest in showing that he is indeed a most unusual soul, mentally and spiritually and has reached a very rare, if ever duplicated, state of consciousness through his countless thousands of lifetimes of endeavor in these fields. Many very miraculous healings have come through Dr. Norman. His conscious mind is able to contact the Superconscious which can tune into the past experiences and past lives of the individuals to actually locate and view the experience in a former life which is responsible for the present illness; thus being able to eliminate or neutralize the impinging vortex from the psychic body of the individual by mental and spiritual means. Many wonderful healings and permanent cures have thusly been achieved. The Spiritual Science of Unarius which is used is not one of happenstance or guesswork but his ability to tap, in a scientific way, the energies of the Infinite. Just so surely, those same powers and energies are ever present to keep us well, vital and at peace when we align ourselves into them. Ruth E. Norman ______________ PREFACE A few months ago the astronomical and astrophysical world was tremendously excited by the approaching conjunction of the earth with the planet. Mars. (This article being written in May, 1955, refers to the conjunction of Mars with the earth at the turn of the year 1954 to 1955). Many prominent astronomical authorities hoped to settle once and for all time, the old controversial issues about this planet; i.e., were there canals or were there not canals on Mars and was this planet inhabited by some form of man, So far as can be ascertained, the results of these investigations, after thousands of photographs of the planet and numerous controversies, was that some groups were even more firmly intrenched in their original ideas, while others became more confused than ever. In an over-all sense, it can be said that they arrived at no definite conclusion whatever nor will any new conclusions that may be arrived at have, by the same token, any more validity than the original concepts (see addenda). Therefore any new attempt at visualizing life or the canals on Mars resolves into the realm of clairvoyance and not by the making of bigger and more powerful telescopes. The two hundred inch telescope at Mt. Palomar has, in a sense, merely increased the size of the Universe for man rather than brought it closer to him. Now, just in case the term clairvoyant should arouse any antagonism or question in some persons, let us digress a moment to explain just what is meant by the word clairvoyance. 6 Clairvoyance (or the development of the sixth sense) is only another word for extrasensory perception taking place within the consciousness of man rather than through the reactionary physical senses such as physical sight, hearing, smell, touch and taste. Practically everyone on this earth has had or will, at some time, be in a semi or momentarily clairvoyant state. Anyone having a so-called hunch or premonition is momentarily in such a state. At the great Duke University, Dr. Rhine, in his fifty years of research on parapsychology has definitely established the facts and truths of extrasensory perception. There are numerous societies, associations and organizations, national and international, whose many years of work have proven beyond a doubt that man does have, and can also develop, this extra sense or clairvoyance, sometimes called the sixth sense. Any doubting Thomas can, if he is open minded enough, find in a short time, an overwhelming mass of evidence to support this truth. In an advanced state of clairvoyance, an individual sees and lives in a state of consciousness which "tunes" him in, as it were, to past or future events, places and happenings, distance being no barrier. Such an awareness or consciousness is almost as real as the everyday objects around him. Any particular electrical or mechanical device, such as the television set will demonstrate to some extent the nature of this conception. A savage in the jungle would immediately be confounded were he presented with the appearance of some of our every day appliances. He would quite likely, in his failure to understand or conceive, throw up his hands and deny the whole thing. He would, in a sense, be like the farmer who saw the giraffe for the first time, exclaiming that ``there is no such animal!" It is, as it has always been, the great lack of ability to form new concepts which has always caused man to throw up his hands, and cry out loudly against the appearance of any new thought, or mechanical or electrical contrivance. This is also quite true of most of our modern day scientists, whether he is a man of medicine, of chemistry or of astronomy. Therefore it is up to individuals who have developed this extra sense or clairvoyance, to fill in the obvious gaps in our many branches of science as well as in some of the more firmly established spiritual concepts. In writing an article of this kind, no effort is being made to prove what I have found and believe is true. Truth is entirely independent of the individual. After my thirty five years of active research in the fields of electronics, physics, astrophysics, parapsychology and their allied and associated sciences, I have succeeded in correlating and establishing an integrated concept, which when combined with a natural and highly developed clairvoyance gives, to a practically perfect degree, a direct mental contact not only with person to person upon this earth, but in contacting individuals living on other planets. This is in a sense, what can be called conscious astral flight; inasmuch as I see the cities and the people and hear the individuals, as they now exist on other planets. No mechanical devices are used, nor is any particularly advanced degree of trance state entered into, maintaining conscious continuity and being able to quote at the time, just what is taking place both audibly and visibly, at all times. 7 _____________________________ CONTACT WITH PLANET MARS Since the dawn of time and the beginning of man's history on this planet, the starry skies have always been something of not only great and wondrous beauty, but also filled with mystery and awe. The histories of the ancient times contain numerous references to the sun, the moon and the many bright stars and planets. Man has worshipped these heavenly bodies as deities or gods. Quite often the very nature of the religious beliefs of the peoples were woven around these mystical heavenly orbs. Naturally there has been a great deal of conjecture as to life and the existence of man in some form on some of these bright specks of light. This `is especially true of the moon and of the planets of our solar system. Men like Copernicus, Galileo, Plato, etc., all speculated on this possibility. During the last twenty-five years or so, there has been a tremendous impetus given to astronomical interests; perhaps this is partly due to the approach of the conclusion of a great cycle and the actual beginning of the Aquarian age. There are numerous monthly publications which deal in a fictional way with interplanetary travel and life on other planets. There likewise are other articles and stories which have appeared from time to time dealing with flying saucers and space ships, etc., which claim to be true, and as a small lad I shared this common interest in the heavens. Often I would peer through my father's telescope (which was of very modest power) at the moon or other bright points of interest; winter nights would often be devoted to pouring over any book or article containing anything of astronomical nature. It was not, however, until the close of World War II and the sudden influx of flying saucer stories, that time and circumstances permitted resuming this fascinating subject. Along with metaphysical work which I did both in churches and independently, the planets, space travel, etc., all became an integrated part of this work. It was inevitable that sooner or later I should actually take a "flight" to some planet, not that this would be done in a rocket or some such machine; man has not progressed to such an advanced state of engineering as yet. So any such trips would be in a clairvoyant state. I am not the only one by far, who has had such experiences; the persons both known and unknown who have made such flights and contacts are too numerous to mention at this time. I might add that much of what is written in the following pages has since been corroborated by some of these persons, without my previously having read any articles so written by them. It has been my consistent habit to spend an hour or so of the late evening time in meditation. During these hours I have made innumerable contacts with those who have passed from this plane of existence. However no serious attempt at interplanetary contact was tried until the second month of the year of 1955. At that time I began to be increasingly aware that something like this was being attempted by the peoples of other planets. One evening, about the first part of May, of this year, while in a deep meditative state, I suddenly 8 perceived a rather strange looking man standing before me. At first I thought him to be Chinese, as his dress arid general appearance was somewhat similar to that of a man of ancient China. After introducing himself as Nur El, however, he quickly explained he was from the planet Mars, and that if I so desired, I could go there with him, to his city (in astral flight) and that he would be my personal guide. He explained that his people were very desirous in view of all the controversy going on, to clear up some of the so-called mysteries of Mars. He further assured me that it was quite obvious that a complete understanding was not possible in one visitation; therefore as the first contact was made, it would be comparatively easy to establish other contacts, as was convenient and necessary. Since this first contact and trip was made, I have returned on several occasions; in fact, Nur El often stood beside me as I wrote, to further clear up, or refresh my memory regarding any details which were not entirely clear. Now I will contact my Martian guide and take an astral flight through space, and see just how it is that man lives on the red planet. Almost immediately a very distinguished looking man stands before me; he is Nur El, a man of high position and esteem from one of the Martian cities. He is dressed in a very brilliant red suit. The coat is long, almost to the knees, with loose fitting pantiloons. On his head is a red hat with a square shaped brim that is turned up on four sides. Our trip there is a matter of split seconds as no craft is used or needed. Arriving on the surface of Mars, we are at once aware of the extremely rugged terrain, rocky hills and sandy wastes, that stretches out endlessly around us. There are many peculiar whirling dust clouds all about. Nur El explains that the ionosphere is very thin which leaves the surface almost unprotected from the various beta, gamma and cosmic rays. This high concentration of rays ionizes the very rare and gaseous atmosphere and together with the thermal currents, creates terrific dust storms. There is also a very thinly divided dust layer on the ionosphere which helps create the reddish appearance of the planet. There are also a number of volcanos, three of which are of major size; one of these was just barely visible on the horizon trailing a thin wisp of smoke from its truncated cone. It was also explained that as Mars has only seven degrees axis inclination there is not much of a seasonal change. Water is very scarce on this arid planet; most of the precipitation falls at the poles. Vegetation is also scarce. There are a few varieties of prickly-cacti looking plants. Also near the polar ice caps, grows a very luxuriant green alga-like plant that follows the melting snow line. This spongy growth often attains a height (or depth) of forty to fifty feet. It appears and disappears with the season as it grows tremendously rapidly, and it also disintegrates very fast. There are also a number of species of lizards, reptiles and of some insects whose hard shells have enabled them to weather the extreme atmospheric conditions and among them are giant ants which walk semi-erect on the two hind feet. The guide tells me these are mutants which were accidently produced from a small ant in an atomic experiment ages ago. They are similar to humans in a very low state of intelligence and at one time it became necessary to make war on them, as they became so numerous and large. These strange ant creatures average two to four feet in height and live in rocky caves. But we did 9 not tarry long on the surface I followed my guide to a rather strange looking rock. Then, taking a small whistle from his coat pocket, he blew one note and although I heard nothing, the rock immediately swung open disclosing a car-like elevator. We entered and, after the door closed, I had the familiar dropping sensation of our own modern elevators. The trip down took but a few seconds, and, upon stopping, I stepped forth into what was my first glimpse of a Martian city. I was immediately impressed by the soft white light that seemed to come from everywhere. We were standing near the entrance of a large tube. On Mars the cities are all underground and are connected together by huge oval metal tubes from three to five hundred feet in diameter. There are monorail cars as long as our pullman trains which glide silently and very swiftly from one city to another. The bottoms of these immense tubes are used for parks, growing foodstuffs and innumerable small manufacturing plants. Because of the great distances between the cities, these tubes have been built only partially submerged. There are emergency air locks and bulkheads at the ends where they connect to the domes; other safety and precautionary measures areused to protect the cities and tunnels in case of breakdowns or outside attack. It is these tubes which have confused the astronomers on the earth. Some believe them to be canals. There are also other theories. The shifting desert sands often cover or uncover them which leads to further confusion inasmuch as they seem to appeal' and disappear. Turning about and looking down into the city is an unforgettable experience. Like all cities on Mars, it is built on the floor of a huge metal dome. These domes are sometimes four or five miles in diameter, and up to three thousand feet high. They are constructed of huge curved trusses of a whitish metal, seemingly of a magnesium compound. These trusses are covered with a metal top and bottom and the space in between filled with a plastic foam similar to the construction of the houses. This also gives added protection from the various cosmic rays as well as sealing in the precious air supply. Underneath the roof is an inner shell or a second false shell which is composed of sheets of pale blue plastic. This is suspended from brackets from the dome at a distance of about six feet; in this space are the many thousands of fluorescent tubes which make up the lighting system and they reflect downward the soft radiant light which I first noticed. I was told this light is very similar to a modified sunlight, and is very healthful and stimulating to plant life, as well as to the people. As these domes are built in the bottom of excavations, the sands soon drift over them and cover them up, giving added protection from the strong surface rays. ___________________________ The Underground Cities of Mars The cities are laid out like a wheel. The center hub is a very large circular structure which houses the various municipal and civic governmental departments. Underground is a very large atomic power plant for supplying the cities' needs. The streets stretch away from the hub like spokes, and at regular intervals circular streets are 10 intersected; this is similar to our national capital. The streets which radiate from the hub rise at a very gentle rate of inclination. The houses and other buildings are built on low elevations which rise like tiers. `Walking up one of these streets gives one the impression of walking on air, as the paving is of a springy plastic material in a very soft shade of green. Stopping to inspect some of the houses, I am nearly overwhelmed by their wondrous beauty, simplicity and charm. In every small, vacant space in the streets and grounds around the houses are growing plants. These are mostly fruits and vegetables. They are planted in metal troughs and other containers. The soil is a mixture of natural and artificial plant humus and moss. The houses and buildings are semi-prefabricated in a wide variety of plastic of pastel shades. The walls are formed of two sheets of thin plastic about two inches apart. After the walls are fastened together, a liquid foam like plastic material is injected or blown in between the walls. After this hardens, it gives the whole structure tremendous strength. This hardened plastic foam acts also as a good insulator. There is no problem of heat or cold in a Martian city, with an abundance of atomic power. The whole city is air conditioned, free from dust and fumes, and is maintained at a constant temperature of about 68 degrees. Huge electronic pumps suck in and filter the thin outside air and raise the pressure to about seven pounds per square inch. It also strengthens the overhead dome structure by pushing out uniformly at all points simultaneously. As the outside atmosphere is very rare and of a low oxygen content, the Martian cities are becoming less and less dependent on that source of air supply. Many thousands of years ago they learned how to obtain air from water by electrolysis. They also make a great effort to create great underground reservoirs near the ice caps to drain off and store any surplus surface water which also, along with the oxygen, has become increasingly rare through the centuries. At the present time, scientists on Mars are learning to make air and water synthetically out of other elements. They have also explored every possible existing subterranean river or lake and have added much to the dwindling water supply by some important discoveries. It is estimated that, with careful conservation, they will have enough water for several thousand years, during which time other means will have been arrived at for solving this problem. . . . All buildings are supplied with electric power from the central power plant. The power is radiated over ultra high frequency beams which crisscross the streets, and are relayed by smaller substations. On top of each building is a split ball-like antenna which intercepts these power beams, bringing power down onto a small secondary radiator which in turn radiates the power through the building, lighting the lights, operating the various motors, etc. These are, of course, all constructed very differently than the motors and electric lights on earth, which are large, clumsy and very inefficient by comparison. Window glass is a polarized material which transmits light one way, from outside in, which gives privacy without the problem of shade and drapes. A simple metal folding shutter is sometimes drawn across the window to shut out the light when sleeping, etc. Furniture in the home is very simple and is contoured to the body and is made of metal and plastic. The houses are not overly furnished as are so many of 11 earth homes, yet there is sufficient for comfort in a simple fashion. Rugs are a plastic foam-like material which is springy and resilient with no dusty nap. Various colors are used and slightly raised designs which give variety and charm to the lovely over-all appearance. The kitchens would be a delight to the earth woman; all cooking is done in an oven which is built in a wall cabinet. The oven is operated on high frequencies which cook all foods in a matter of a very few minutes, or, in most cases only a few seconds. After dinner, the dish-washing is a very quick and simple process. The dishes are placed in a metal cabinet, a dial set, and after a few minutes all are clean and sparkling; no water is used. Instead, streams of electronic energy of some sort does the job. The dishes are made of a plastic like material which is repellent to soil. The bathroom is also quite different. The stool appears or disappears in the wall as needed. Disposal is efficiently taken care of by electrolysis. Very little water apparently is used. Bathing is done in a small booth where an atomized spray of pleasant smelling liquid is sprayed on the body and wiped off with a very absorbent towel. Here also, no water is used. There is also some kind of energy ray used which stimulates and leaves the body very refreshed. Teeth are cleaned with a sort of electronic brush which is a metal rod on a handle. Moving it around the teeth directs a flow of energy which cleans and stimulates the teeth and gums. I Very little of the normally expected house cleaning is done in a Martian home; all interior surfaces are dirt repellent and, as the air is normally very clean and inasmuch as there is no smoking, frying or similar soot producers, the homes are very clean and spotless. Mounting a flight of stairs to the roof, we emerge onto a typical Martian garden. The roofs of these homes are flat and planted with a wide variety of fruits, vegetables and flowers. Each home grows quite a lot of the normal supply of foodstuff it consumes. They take great pride in these roof gardens and frequently engage in friendly competition in contests between neighbors in an attempt to raise the most beautiful displays of horticulture. . . . Now I understood why the streets slanted up and the lack of stores and commercial buildings, for here stretched out before me was a huge shopping center, which in some odd way reminded me of one of our annual state fairs. Up and down and around were streets and aisles with shops and booths displaying the many articles of clothing and food familiar to the Martian way of life. There was however, noticeable differences: little or no advertising was used, the shop owner sat or stood quietly by or worked on various articles he (or she) sold. A quaint system of barter and exchange is generally prevalent although some form of script, currency similar to a department store charge-a-plate, is also used. Martians are inherently honest; stealing is almost unknown. Consequently there is no need to accumulate more than is needed, for they do not have the fear of insecurity. There is no price haggling over various transactions. Some sections have mechanical automat-like dispensers in which a keyed charge-a-plate is inserted and withdrawn after the article is discharged. Another curious feature of these market places are the escalator sidewalks; on several of the main thorofares were double tracks, one coming and one going, with a small bench-like 12 seat to sit on. A person merely stepped on, sat down and was moved slowly up and down in front of the various stalls or shops. Everywhere I turned to look I saw happy, smiling faces with none of that taut, drawn look that is so prevalent in our cities. In between these market centers, much space is devoted to the cultivation of various crops, one of which is a grain very similar to millet. There is also a species of rice which grows with very little moisture. It seems that many of these plant crops have been evolved through a Luther Burbank- like process to a point where they require the absolute minimum of water. No heavy manufacturing is done in these cities, but there are several domes which are devoted to, and used almost exclusively for, this type of work. But time was slipping by, and reluctantly I followed my guide to another elevator and we ascended back to the main level. As we walked along one of the streets I could not help but feel overawed by the beauty of all the things around me: the lovely homes and roof gardens, the landscaped parkways growing lush with fruits and flowers, the peace and quiet which was everywhere. I looked curiously at some of those who were passing by, although I do not believe they could see me in my astral state; at least if they did so, they gave no indication that they were being rudely stared at, and I assumed their smiles and greetings were meant for Nur El. I did not see any indication of the use of any cosmetics on the women's faces. Their eyes were quite large and black with a distinct slant, the skin was wax-like and beautifully colored, lips red and well shaped, which in all left nothing to be desired in any external adornment. There are other things which were noticeable by their absence': there is no smoking, the use of tobacco being unheard of. Nur el chuckled when I asked about this, stating that such a practice was grown up thumb sucking and was a habit belonging only to those who were not completely weaned. The drinking of alcoholic beverages is also unknown. The people of Mars are smaller than those on earth, only averaging about four feet six inches in height. They are somewhat Mongolian in appearance. The texture of the skin is very fine and soft, while the hair is usually straight, black, and quite fine. The men do not need to shave for they have eradicated electronically, the growth of hair from their faces when still young. The Martians are a quiet peace-loving people. Their clothing is simple with long loose flowing lines, with nothing to bind them, in many brilliant colors including many shades we know not. All clothing is made of synthetic materials as no natural fibers are grown. ______________________________ THE MARTIAN - CHINESE LINK Martians are much older in soul-evolution than the earthians. They originally migrated in space craft to Mars from a dying planet more than a million years ago. They also came to this earth and started a colony but found it impractical to maintain. It was also explained by Nur El that this colony became our Chinese race through the evolution of time. 13 The great space-ships in their intercourse with the planet Mars established a series of six colonies, stretching from the lower planes of China into the more northern reaches, around what is now known as Peking in the northern provinces of China. There was in existence at that time descendents of the Aryan race who lived as Mongols or Tartars, as they are called in your history books. These were mostly very fierce roving bands of nomads, who now roam the desert regions of the Gobi Desert. It is with these races of people that the original Martian settlers had so much trouble. The people from Mars had progressed to the point where they disliked intensely to kill their fellow being; and while they had weapons which could thoroughly and completely decimate these nomadic tribes, yet they refrained from doing so! They relied more upon the evolution of time, as would be of such circumstance that these tribes would absorb some of the wisdom and knowledge. However, this was not so; in the numerous raids which they made upon these settlements, they frequently captured both male and female prisoners; and as the females bore children to these Mongols and Tartars, the Martian colonists became somewhat infused into the racial characteristics of these people. However, for the most part, the various dynasties of the Chinese Empire can be traced directly back to the Martian line. . . . Cancer and many other so-called incurable diseases are removed or corrected using an advanced electronic healing process. It was also explained, that in all cases, the patient was given a psychic diagnosis which correctly locates the true originating cause, as a psychic pressure or shock, incurred in either the present life or in some previous lifetime. (Extended psychosomatics). Mental disorders, while rare, yield quickly to this treatment which quickly removes or rectifies these malformed vortices, or thought wave patterns which have been incurred in the subconscious or psychic body. There are no jails or prisons; crime is considered a mental disorder and treated thusly. Such treatment is kept secret and not exploited as we do, therefore there is no deflation of the ego. There is no pain or shock or lengthy doctoring. Usually the patient is home in a matter of hours. . . . Passing through this laboratory the guide went further into the problems of birth control and sex. He stated that children are limited to usually, two to a family so as to prevent overcrowding and a lessening of an advanced family relationship. The ratio of births usually determined by the death rate average. Sex relations are very sacred and considered a great creative gift. There are none of the usual sexual stimulants such as advertising, spiced heavy foods etc., which tend to overexcite the people of earth. Consequently, sex assumes its rightful place in the life of the Martians. These people have a basic spiritual concept which teaches them from birth, the importance of love of one another and finding their greatest joys of life in doing for each other, not doing each other. I did not see any of our familiar churches and steeples; it was explained to me that there are none. Worship is not a pagan-like bowing down to some mythical god (or gods), but a twice daily observance to the Great Infinite Creative Source, and there is a once weekly community observance giving thanks to this Source. 14 Other Spiritual aspects of Martian life include communications with those who have passed into the spirit world; in fact, every Martian considers his spirit friends and relatives a part of his daily life. No doubt our Chinese have derived their ancestor worship from this source. The Martians have also developed reincarnation to a point where it forms an integral part of their lives; they plan for a future time when they will relive a new life among old friends and relatives. Many children frequently identify themselves as former loved ones. ______________________ Martian Education Soon after the birth of a child, all the potential mental faculties and quotients were determined by an electronic diagnosis and any criminal or negative characteristics were removed by a radiant energy process. The child was further conditioned against such recurrence. There are no public schools. The child is taught to a large extent in his sleep by a "Z-ray" which imparts the lessons or knowledge directly into his subconscious mind. This ray can be likened somewhat to a radio frequency which carries the spoken word yet is inaudible to the ear; in this case however, it is received and stored for use in the child's mind. Usually a child will have the equivalent to a college education by the time he has reached the age of ten. Such schooling is done to bring out the best points of character and to especially train him in whatever vocation he is best suited for. As I listened to the soft accented voice of my Martian friend, my mind inadvertently began to recall and compare scenes of my earth life with the simple quiet way I was just beginning to glimpse and understand. Things like the roaring streets and highways, the stench and smell of thousands of cars, of hate and greed and avarice. Nur El caught my thoughts and for a moment stopped speaking. A slow smile lifted the corners of his mouth and his eyes began to twinkle. "No," he said, "these people would not migrate to the earth. First they would have to become accustomed to the difference in air pressure, and if this were done suddenly it might be very dangerous, like a diver going down beneath the water too quickly. " He paused a moment then continued, "Then there would be deadly disease germs and the many viruses that we here on Mars, not having had such things for thousands of years, have lost our resistance to." I could see his point but I wondered a bit as to how they knew so much about the earth, but patiently he explained that there were semi-surface observatories with electronic telescopes as well as a variety of radio and radar-like devices which gave them a very good idea of what went on there. Besides some of the more advanced scientists were masters at astral flight. Even an ordinary citizen of Mars was quite adept at mental telepathy and this type of communication was used as much as speech. Going back into the ring shaped building, we emerged into what were some of the chambers used for judging or administrative phases. The government is of a very simple form. I was amazed when told there are no written laws. Each citizen lives under a simple understanding, 15 of unwritten code. It was a very reasonable facsimile, if not the actual golden rule. In other words, do for others first. If a person acts selfishly, or begins to steal or shows symptoms of anger, he is considered ill and treatment is quickly administered. Each five families have a group leader or "Icla," as he is called. He represents this group and is responsible for their general welfare. The judges or heads of different departments are chosen on their merit and it is usually done through elimination, examinations which require a lifetime of special training. There are no political systems. Brains and character alone determine a candidate's fitness for an office. Male and female are regarded as equal and with no discrimination shown. There are no old age institutions in these Martian cities. Great respect is shown the aged and they live with their children until the time of passing. No doubt the Chinese on the earth brought this custom of respect and veneration down through the ages from their Martian ancestors. Another thing that did impress me was the wide variety of pictures and objects of art which were everywhere. These people are exceedingly artistic and almost everyone spends some time at his particular chosen expression decorating screens, ceramics, furniture, etc; all were given some treatment whenever opportunity presented. It was all in very good taste, however, and most pleasing to the eye. These traits are quite evident in our modern Chinese. . . . Monorail Transportation Going through several of these offices we again emerged into the open air. Before us was one of the larger radial streets; coming down this street was what looked like a silver gondola of some sort, suspended from an overhead rail. Going closer to examine this strange craft, I found that it was about twenty feet long.It had six or eight bucket-like seats. There is a rather elaborate system of control used. All is done, of course, electronically. There is an `eye' on each end to keep it spaced a reasonable distance from other cars. Gyroscopes are used to prevent sway and it is powered by a motor in each flanged wheel which rides a single rail, suspended at short intervals by metal standards. These cars are stopped with a single blast of a noiseless supersonic whistle and started after the passengers sit down. A number of the main radial streets have this monorail shuttle car system. Others used moving sidewalks, somewhat similar to escalators. It seems that these people do not travel much, as compared to our earth people. There is, of course, considerable inner-city travel over the monorail car system which I saw in the tube. There is however, a kind of communication which renders a great deal of travel unnecessary. This is a form of telephone, or teleview as it could more properly be called. Besides conversing, each party can see the other one through a small screen similar to our television. This of course, can be shut off by manipulating a button, in the event there is a need for privacy. Speaking of television, their system is far more advanced than ours; the screen is built into the wall of the room and is about four by five foot square. All programs are in three dimensional color, very lifelike and natural. Such programs are, of 16 course, the very highest type. As there is only one channel to a city, all program material is produced and telecast by the people themselves, since there is no advertising or sex intimations but only such things as the festivals, lectures, various stage presentations or musicals which take place in the central theater. Little or no news is broadcast and then only that which is of a nature which would not cause fear or restlessness. Music plays an important part in life here. Most of the instruments are of the string type and are usually plucked. There are some reed or flute-like instruments which help give variety. There are none of the heavy percussive type which form a large part of our modern orchestras. The music itself is, for the most part, a quaint sing-song-like rhythm or chant which usually depicts some story or moral lesson; or even historical events are portrayed. Considerable color is used in the stage presentations, which gives much added charm as the innumerable color combinations rise and fall with the rhythm of the chant. Since my initial trip, I have returned to Mars several times and have learned much more about this fascinating civilization. To those who are proponents and ardent supporters of our free enterprise system, let it be said that they have a great shock coming to them. On Mars there is no dog-eat-dog competition such as we, on earth, are so familiar with. Everyone works for the government because the government is the people! This highly developed socialistic system is not to be confused with any so-called communistic governments on earth. The Martians never break laws, consequently there are no laws. They have long ago eliminated legislative bodies. How different here! We have a huge and vast intricate network of legislative bodies, as well as various branches of law enforcement. The average American has many thousands of laws to obey. The great majority of, the people either knowingly or unknowingly are breaking laws. As fast as a way is found to circumvent one law, a new one is passed to prevent this! The modern Chinese have placed a great deal of personal value on face; they would rather die than lose face. This sense of personal integrity was brought down through the ages from their Martian ancestors. The average Martian has an advanced state of conscious personal integrity. This eliminates the ponderous and very expensive system of government to which we are accustomed. There is in consequence a vastly simplified way of life. There are no taxes. as this land is run like a highly ordered non-profit business. The various departmental or executive heads are all highly trained specialists and hold their positions because of ability and integrity. . . . From childhood they are taught to be useful and productive. Because of their simplified living habits, they have more time for self-improvement and for developing new types of plastics, textiles, etc. They usually limit their meals to only two a day and even those are very simple, consisting primarily of vegetables and fruits, with some synthetic foods. The Martians are not meat eaters partly for the reason that animal life has largely passed from existence on Mars, with the exception of mutants and the few obscure species previously mentioned, and these are inedible. The Martian has learned how to grow, and also to synthesize many spices and to produce 17 artificially, many protein foods. Space is not too plentiful. There are some dwarf trees, three to four feet high with a fruit that looks like an orange but has meat like that of an apple, is red skinned and sweet. It is called sit-yu. Some other vegetables are grown in troughs in long rows. These look like huge mushrooms and have a delicious meat. The Harmony of Martian Life Martians are closely connected with the Venusians through thought transference or mental telepathy. At one time, interplanetary travel was used, but these spacecraft are at present stored in huge underground hangars, and are being held in readiness for any emergency, such `as a sudden mass evacuation of the population should any unexpected need arise. . . . It was explained that the science of interplanetary travel was something very difficult for the earth man to understand inasmuch as the people and the craft itself would, in taking off, actually change the rate of vibration of their own and the craft's atomic structure. Thus they would in a sense become weightless and temporarily free of various usual forces such as gravitation, inertia, etc. My guide went on to explain that this science of changing the atomic vibration rates is a very advanced one, and that if the earthmen would learn this, it would remove all the present day obstructions and barriers such as materials, fuel, pressures and the hundreds of other hindrances to present day space travel. At present their experiments have progressed to a point where a man's body can be changed into electrical energies, sent over a radar beam and then changed back to the original state; all in a matter of a split second, and with no pain or discomfort to the individual. This no doubt sounds fantastic. Nowadays it is only the ignorant mam who scoffs at any new ideas, and no doubt there will be those who will be unable to believe these truths; but it does not matter, since that still does not alter the facts. Just fifty years ago they were laughing at the Wright brothers - and think of what has been invented and improved and brought into use since that time. No less so in the future. The things of science which are commonplace in the Martian way of life could well become a part of ours in some future day. I was informed that the Martians understand what is happening to the earth people and its veritable rat race, and they are very desirous of aiding through mental telepathy to inspire as many of the earthians as are receptive to their ways for the advancement of mankind and the improvement of conditions on this planet, and within man himself. Until man realizes the great over-balance on the material side and gains the necessary spiritual knowledge we cannot hope to be harmonious with the other more advanced planets. They say that it is realized only too well that they must not interfere with the evolution or progress of man on earth to any great extent, for it would not be in keeping with God's immutable law of individual soul progress. The scientists of Mars have informed me that our telescopes, in the photographing process, are subject to error and do not get 18 refraction but infraction. Sometimes the light rays, or vibrations as they are more properly called, are at times subjected to distortions, or bendings, in their flight through space, due to the proximity of some other planetary body. Because of the conjunction of magnetic lines of force, the astronomer does not always get a true picture of what he thinks he is seeing. Also the planet Mars, on the outside of its surface, has a tremendously charged shell. While it is invisible to the eye, this can cause great distortions in light-ray frequencies. And so the time has come, at least for the present, to return to our more familiar planet earth, and I do so reluctantly, for there are still many more facets of life on (rather in) Mars of which I have only a slight understanding. I would like to learn more of their various customs, celebrations and observances. Obviously it cannot all be taken in during only a few trips. I cannot recall a single instance of this most fascinating and interesting experience of my visits to Mars without a deep feeling of awe, reverence and gratitude to this very fine person who calls himself Nur El for giving so unselfishly of his time and efforts in explaining so many things about the planet, its people, manners, etc. There is also a grave concern by these people about our destructive downhill way of life. We are creating and breeding a race of psychopathic misfits I in our highly specialized, mechanical world. The people are becoming robots. They cannot sleep for nightmares from fear and insecurity. Their days an endless succession of almost frantic scurrying, or worse, a robot-like existence of work, sleep, and work. On every hand flagrant psychological and sexual stimulants are used for advertisements suggestion is used to hammer home these cheap and malicious messages until the brain becomes numb and neurotic. Exploitation of the masses has become a highly specialized science, ruthless and cold-blooded, running the gamut from charity to vice. On the other hand there are almost equally frantic attempts being made by various religious groups, churches, individuals, etc., to portray in some way to the great masses the grave dangers confronting them. These efforts are pitifully small and weak. Moreover, these efforts are not above suspicion, for there are, here as elsewhere, many charlatans. . . . _______________________________ The Supernova Connection It was intimated in the foregoing pages that it was quite obvious that it would require several trips to gain a comprehensive understanding of the Martian way of life, and that therefore, I would quite likely, from time to time, make similar visits or flights. Since concluding the last pages, Nur El has made contact several times and has given or shown me pertinent information regarding several issues which I would like to clear up. In case some of you are wondering just as I did, what caused his people to go underground and why they do not migrate to some other planet since they have all the necessary craft to do so. Nur El explained all this by first saying that Mars was, up until about 100,000 years ago, a planet very 19 similar to the earth. There was air, water, and an abundance of plant and animal life. The cities flourished on the surface just as ours do. At that time, through their occult science and also with their superior telescopes they saw, somewhere out in space, a cataclysm take place. One of the giant suns suddenly went berserk, flared up like a nova and then exploded in a terrific blinding flash. Huge chunks hurtled out into space in different directions, each one a smaller, white-hot, atomically-burning sun, shooting off great streamers of atomic energies. It was determined by calculations, that one of these fiery pieces would pass very close to our solar system. As it was larger than our own sun, it was conceivable that there would be tremendous repercussions; in fact, anything was possible. Because of its great size it would have a tremendous gravitational pull, besides giving off great energies. It was also determined, as light traveled much faster in space than this huge chunk, that it would pass our solar system. This therefore gave the Martians a grace period for preparation. They had, however, a choice: to stay on Mars or to migrate to another planet far away from this solar system. After a search of the nearby, practical limits of the heavens, it was found that there was no other planet available which would be suitable. So an alternative was decided upon. They could build huge cities underground! During the next two hundred years or so, an almost frantic building program was assiduously pursued. We can well imagine some of the problems, the sacrifices, and the labor and research which went into this tremendous project, but it was finally accomplished. In due time all was snug and ship-shape as possible. Buried deep under many feet of rock and earth, in their newly constructed dome-like cities, the people of Mars waited for the final hours. Day by day they watched the white glowing mass of light grow larger and larger. There was no really accurate way by which to measure how close it would pass or just how hot it would be. No doubt many thought it would be the end! Finally the hour struck. Nur El stated that for eight days the planet was rocked, torn and twisted as great forces blasted and ripped the surface. Plant and animal life disappeared almost entirely, except for the few species which escaped by being buried or in caves. The air and water too, were largely dissipated or drawn off with the passing nova. When it was over, Mars was decimated and burned to a cinder. Other planets also suffered. On earth there were great earthquakes and tidal waves. A great continent and civilization, called Lemuria, sank beneath the sea. Great deserts were burned into the surface in places which were formerly beautiful forests and plains. The Sahara and Gobi deserts were two of these. Earth's orbit and axis (or the poles) were also changed. Instead of a circular orbit Earth was rocked into an elliptical orbit, with the addition of a very slight but definite wobble or oscillation, which it has never lost. Uranus and Pluto was pushed out into an orbit much further away from the sun. Neptune suffered a similar fate although not quite so pronounced. It is conceivable that the other planets were also affected according to their size and position at the time of the passing of this huge celestial "atom bomb." No doubt the knowledge of this cataclysm will clear up some of the mysteries of Earth's history which have been puzzling the seekers of truth for many years. 20 . . . Our present civilization, good as it is in some respects, leaves much to be desired. It has been the purpose of Nur El, the people of Mars and myself to bring you some understanding of their ways of life, hoping thus to bring about, not only among the nations of the world, but future interplanetary relationships which are harmonious and conducive to a better way of life. We all salute you and wish you infinite love, wisdom and peace. Appendix Shortly after writing this article there appeared in the Saturday Review, on May 28, 1955, an article written by Dr. Robert S. Richardson, astronomer at Mount Palomar, which refers to the findings of the International Committee on Mars, which closed its fourth conference on March 25, 1955. There are several interesting statements made, on which I will comment. Mr. Richardson states the consensus of opinion is that there is life on Mars, or that it could exist. This is at least some progress in the right direction. Also he is quite correct about the deserts. Most of the surface of this planet is semi-arid wastelands. It is however, incorrect to say there is no oxygen there. The presence of the green maria, which he calls sponge- like algae, proves the presence of oxygen, although in a comparatively rare state. As everyone knows, oxygen is necessary in the breathing cycle of any plant which contains chlorophyll (oxygen on Mars is about 10% of the density of the earth's oxygen) as was stated in the aforementioned article. This sponge-like algae is found growing along the edges of the snow banks and often attains a height of forty to fifty feet. It dries up with the vanishing of the snow caps and re- grows the following spring. What the doctor states regarding water on Mars is very true. It is very scarce and the people of the underground cities take great pains to conserve every gallon of it. As to the temperatures. that is still a matter of conjecture. It is a very tricky business to measure heat over thirty-five millions of miles distance. Moreover, surface temperatures do not affect the inhabitants of the underground cities, as they are completely pressurized and conditioned with temperatures maintained at a comfortable level. The most surprising part of the entire article was that there was absolutely no mention of the famous canals of Mars. I wonder what happened to them? These canals were for many years a great controversial subject. The photograph in this article does not show them, but this is perhaps explained by the fact that this photo was taken with infra-red light film. It may be that the savants at Mt. Palomar would like to explain this. It is of questionable value that the writer interjected such a material angle as real estate. It seems it would have been wise to confine the remarks within the domain of science and leave this 21 problem up to some of our great promoters in that future day of landing. It might also be that the Martians would resent our tearing up their planet. It is also probable that in that future day when man does have space travel to Mars, he will be able to take his wife or loved ones along. Landing there will be somewhat like taking a plane to a far off city on this planet. On arriving on Mars the space ship will be taxied into a huge airlock. The passengers will disembark and find hotels and accommodations in a similar fashion as on earth. (Assuming of course that such factors as freedom from germ life, health, adaptability to lower air pressures, etc., have been fully compensated for.) It is unfortunate indeed that the astronomers of today take such a dim view of the possibility of life on other planets. They should be in a position to know better than anyone else. Does it not seem a bit preposterous to assume that in all the countless billions of suns, star clusters. galaxies. etc. and their associated planetary systems, that earth and Mars clone are inhabited? Perhaps we should refer to Jesus of Nazareth when he stated that, "In my Father's house are many mansions.' In that distant day when space travel is a reality, let us hope that our men of science are universally schooled in the knowledge of the Infinite God and that we will find in this wisdom an integrated philosophy of life, one which will supply our need and an answer to every problem. In that future day, we will have put aside all our petty quibbling over interpretations. We will find God not only in the heart and mind of man but in everything in this material Universe. FOR MORE INFORMATION: CONTACT THE UNARIUS ACADEMY OF SCIENCE 145 SO. MAGNOLIA AVE. EL CAJON, CA. 92020-4522 (619)447-4170 EOF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!emory!tridom!atssc!fang!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: INFO: Belgium UFO sighting report- 30-31 March 1990 Keywords: ParaNet Message-ID: <1991Apr16.013123.9381@bilver.uucp> Date: 16 Apr 91 01:31:23 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 100 Xref: ns-mx alt.alien.visitors:523 alt.conspiracy:4934 The following extract is off the ParaNet UFO Echo: ------Begin Included Text-------------------------------------------- Message #370 - INFO.PARANET Date : 13-Feb-91 8:55 From : Michael Corbin To : All Subject : Re: Belgium The following is a reprint of a summary report on the Belgian UFO activity. Please note the methods of determination which are employed and the subsequent findings of the Belgian military. ParaNet has established an interface with the Belgian investigators. More material will be released as it becomes available. SUMMARY REPORT ON OBSERVATIONS 30-31 MARCH 1990 BACKGROUND 1. Starting early Dec 89 the BAF has been contacted on several occasions by eyewitnesses who observed strange phenomena in the Belgian airspace. On some occassions they described the phenomena as a triangle-shaped platform up to 200 feet wide with 3 downward beaming projectors, hovering at +- 100 m above the ground and making only a very light humming noise. Some witnesses saw the object departing at very high speed after a very fast acceleration. All observations were made in the evening or during the night. 2. The radar stations which had been alerted by eyewitnesses could not definitely determine a correlation between the visual observations and their detections on radar. On two occasions the BAF scrambled 2 F16 during the evening hours. a.On the first occasion the F16 arrived +- 1 hour after the visual detection. Nothing was observed. b. On the second occassion, pilots could identify a laser-beam projector on the ground. After investigation it appeared however that the description of the observations totally differed from previously described phenomena. 3. Consequently the Belgian Airforce, anxious to identify the origin of the phenomena, authorised F16 scrambles if following conditions were met: a. Visual observations on the ground confirmed by the local police. b. Detection on radar. EVENTS 4. On 30 Mar 1990 at 23.00 Hr the Master Controller (MC) of the Air Defence radar station of Glons received a phone call from a person who declared to observe three independant blinking lights in the sky, changing colours, with a much higher intensity than the lights of the stars and forming a triangle. Meteo conditions were clear sky, no clouds, light wind and a minor temperature inversion at 3000 Ft. 5. The MC in turn notified the police of WAVRE which confirmed the sighting at +- 23 30 Hr. Meanwhile the MC had identified a radar contact at about 8 NM North of the ground observation. The contact moved slowely to the West at a speed of =- 25kts and an altitude of 10.000 Ft. 6. The ground observers reported 3 additional light spots which moved gradually, with irregular speeds, towards the first set of lights and forming a second triangle. 7. At 23.50 a second radar station, situated at +- 100 NM from the first, confirmed an identical contact at the same place of the radar contact of Glons. 8. At 00.05 Hr 2 F16 were scrambled from BEAUVECHAIN airbase and guided towards the radar contacts. A total of 9 interception attempts have been made. At 6 occasions the pilots could establish a lock-on with their air interception radar. Lock-on distances varried between 5 and 8 NM. On all occasions targets varied speed and altitude very quickly and break-locks occured after 10 to 60 seconds. Speeds varied between 150 and 1010 kts. At 3 occasions both F16 registered simultaneous lock-ons with the same parameters. The 2 F16 were flying +- 2 NM apart. No visual contact could be established by either of the F16 pilots. 9. The F16 flew 3 times through the observation field of the ground observers. At the third passage the ground observers notified a change in the behaviour of the light spots. The most luminous started to blink very intensively while the other disappeared. Consequently, the most luminous spot started to dim gradually. 10. Meanwhile the head of the police of WAVRE had alerted 4 other police stations in the area. All four, seperated +- 10 NM from each other, confirmed the visual observations. 11. The aircraft landed at 01.10 Hrs. The last visual observation was recorded at +- 01.30 Hrs. CONCLUSIONS 12. The BELGIAN Airforce was unable to identify neither the nature nor the origin of the phenomena. However, it had sufficient elements to exclude following assumptions: a. Balloons. Impossible due to the highly variable speeds (confirmed visually and by radar). b. ULM. Same as for balloons. c. RPV. Impossible due to the hovering characteristics. d. Aircraft (including Stealth). Same as for RPV. No noise. e. Laser projections or Mirages. Unlikely due to lack of projection surface (no clouds). Light spots have been observed from different locations. Light spots moved over distance of more than 15 NM. Form of inlighted part of spots has been observed with spectacles. Laser projections or mirages can not be detected by radar. {signed} W. DE BROUWER Kol Vl SBH VS3 --- FD 1.99c * Origin: ParaNet Information Service -- Leading UFO Research Network (1:104/4 EOF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order"